What will Democrats do with their majorities? | Hour 2

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So, first off, were you surprised by the election results that you saw yesterday? Well, Pete, I'm a nonpartisan guy here, journalist. But I learned so much from you and the other WBT folks because you've done a heck of a job during this election trying to get a lot of news out. So let's start there. But, of course, I was surprised. Everybody was surprised. It was shocking. I mean, the flip of the NC House was amazing to have nine U.S. congressmen out of 14 being Democrats. Nobody saw that coming. Yeah, it was remarkable. Yeah, and so what does that then, I mean, I don't know if you guys are already starting to kind of hit the bricks on, you know, talking to business leaders and trying to figure out, like, you know, what, if anything, does this foretell for business in, you know, Charlotte, but also in North Carolina, if not nationally? Well, there's a big conference in Cary tomorrow, a bunch of business public affairs people. That'll be the prime topic of conversation. And, I mean, the markets are shooting up strongly today, which who knows why stock markets move. Nobody really does. But, I mean, one. Smart guy I talked to said, well, there's a hope there's some predictability and less volatility if you reduce some of the Trump craziness. What other reason would there be that Apple and Amazon are up 6%, 7% today, even though a bunch of very liberal, very progressive senators and governors were elected across the nation? It's really surprising. Well, maybe the bet there is that that they will, I mean, cause like I've been watching, you know, with the AI stuff, there were a bunch of data center moratoria that were also up on ballots all across the country. And like every single one of them passed. Um, so like all, like the, the data center construction boom is going to just come to a grinding halt for a while. It seems like, um, and you've got a lot of these AI companies that, have been lobbying basically for themselves to be regulated by the federal government because the big boys, they can afford all of the lawyers, they can afford the compliance costs, and then the startups get kind of squeezed out of the marketplace that it's a barrier to entry because they can't comply with whatever regulatory framework that's drafted by lawmakers on the advice of the larger AI companies, right? This is, uh, this is capture, right? So, uh, and maybe, maybe that's what the markets are kind of factoring in that these tech companies are going to be able to sort of, uh, monopolize the markets. That strikes me as very astute and probably right on. Cause I mean, big tech is so big and so powerful that, uh, they're going to figure out ways around this and, you know, It is interesting that Elon Musk's stocks have gotten crushed today because there's a sense that Congress is going to lash back at him given his partisanship. But it strikes me as very short-sighted given all the benefits of Elon Musk's business investments. But, you know, there is politics involved too, right? Yeah, and they don't like him. Yeah, they turned on him pretty quickly. Yeah, so... the going after him. And also, I mean, you've got, I saw somebody on social media was talking about, you know, nationalizing SpaceX. I was listening to NPR driving in today and they're talking about, you know, how are we going to go after all of these, you know, billionaires and millionaires and redistribute their money and, you know, just soak the rich. And Yeah, I like from a I mean, I don't know if I if I was one of these business leaders, a wealthy person, whatever, I would be pretty nervous because now the only thing that you're counting on is Donald Trump to veto stuff for the next two years. And I'm not so sure, like if you just title, like you could write a tax bill that takes 90% of rich people's money and you can call it the Donald Trump is awesome tax bill. And, and he may not veto that, you know? Well, I mean, I think election results clearly showed that, you know, the public thinks Donald Trump was totally about Donald Trump and he has zero interest in building the party. And here we are. And, uh, I think, you know, Jermaine, your listenership and your work that you do every day is, you know, how does the parties respond to this? Because, I mean, the North Carolina GOP is just in a state of real trouble. Because think about it. There are three key parties. leaders in the past few years are all gone. Phil Berger, Tom Tillis, Tim Moore, they've all been wiped out, no longer there. So who's going to step up? And meanwhile, you got the Democrats have to, as you said, decide how are we going to respond to this? Are we going to play the mean-spirited Trump kind of role in lashing back? Or are we going to try to seek some kind of compromise, some kind of working relationship? Because the NC Senate is still going to be controlled by the Republican Party. Um, so it's going to be very fascinating starting in January when the Democrats, uh, roll into Raleigh. Yeah. Well, I mean the Senate, is it just one seat? I believe at this point, right? They, uh, Danny Britt, I think is the only one. Or two margin. You're right. So it's virtually tied. Yeah. It's a very slim margin. If anybody is out sick or, you know, whatever you can peel, if Democrats can peel a vote away, you've got a Democrat governor. Um, And this kind of puts them into a position for 2028, you know, for the next cycle. But then again, I've heard some analysis and some predictions, and they're saying, You know, this is a this will be sort of like, you know, kick everybody out, punish the GOP. But then it'll kind of think an earlier caller said it'll revert back to the mean. I'm not so sure, but I don't make those predictions because I don't know. I can't tell the future. If I did, I'd be playing the lottery a lot more and I probably wouldn't be working. But, yeah, I don't know. Like my the big fear I've got is that is that it does go complete Democrat control. And then we end up like Virginia and the stuff that Virginia is doing. Um, it's pretty radical. Well, I, I hope you will reach out, you and Brett and others will reach out to some of these Charlotte area, uh, Democrats who really have been on the back bench for years, but waiting for some power. And, you know, now they're going to have it. And I'm talking to like senators, like, uh, Mohammed and Salvador and Representatives Loftin and Brown and all these politicians who've had the seats in Charlotte, but you never hear about them because the Republicans haven't really cared to listen to them because they haven't had to. And those people now, how are they going to respond with this new power? Are they going to take names or how are we going to build a state in a smart way. Yeah, no, it's a great, it's a great point because, um, that part of the problem is when you are in the minority or you don't have to actually have any ideas, you can just, you know, lob the grenades. You can say, you know, the majority is terrible. They're not listening to us. You can make all of these arguments, right? But then when you have the responsibility to actually govern, how do you do that? Because now you actually have to advance certain ideas, and then you have to defend them, right? It's much easier to take the oppositional view. I think you made the point on social media or somewhere that you know, the constitutional amendment, the constitutional amendments passed. Right. And they were very conservative oriented, you know, hold back on taxes, voter ID makes sense. And the public was all over that. So the GOP has a lot of strong policy positions that they didn't, they didn't win yesterday, but they have a lot of strength there that can be effective if positioned the right way. Don't you think? I do. Yeah. It's one of the big disconnects. And I, you know, for the life of me, I don't understand why a lot of reporters don't ask uh, democratic leaders, the politicians, because that seems to be the disconnect because Democrat voters, and it happened in other States too, that they put voter ID into their constitutions and they won with, you know, two to one margins. Meanwhile, Democrats win. And those Democrats who are winning are opposed to voter ID. It's like, what is the reason for that disconnect? Why do these leaders constantly take the opposite position of their own constituents, uh, on a lot of these issues? You've been a real leader in trying to argue that the governor, soon to be Senator Cooper, has been kind of AWOL and taking stands on key issues. And we wrote a little bit about that today. I mean, he's just such a terrific politician, and he ran such a brilliant campaign where he didn't really have... to engage much with the press because he just was able to avoid the press. And he just, you know, so we don't really know where he's going to stand and it's going to be so cool to watch what he does when Syed and You know, in Minnesota, these very liberal politicians start yapping away up in Washington. How Governor Cooper responds. Yeah, well, yeah. Will he? Yeah. Will he be an oppositional voice to some of the the worst excesses inside the Democratic Party at this point? I don't know. I'm not my fingers are crossed, but I'm not betting on it. much like the lottery tickets. David, I appreciate your time, buddy. People can read your work over at businessnc.com. David Mildenberg, editor at Business North Carolina. Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. Take care. Yeah, we shall see. The holidays will be here before you know it, and so now is the time to create precious and priceless family heirlooms that will last for generations. Take your old photos, slides, films, and tapes to create a video in Mint Hill. There, they'll turn those memories into the story of your lives, memories from past family events captured forever to pass down to future generations. Create-A-Video's skilled team will professionally transfer your family's stories onto easy-to-use USB drives or DVDs that won't deteriorate over time like the old photos and tapes are doing right now. They will create a keepsake video that you can share and copy and keep forever. I can see it now. 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I'll go back to the text because I am way behind on the text. We have a lot of text. Scores of them, in fact. Where was I? All right, we'll start here with Steve. I think it was like the 2020 election that white men was the biggest flip. Yep, I did see exit polling that showed white males as a group went to the Democrat party. So whatever gains Trump made with them, they go. And Tony says the Republican party got exactly what it deserved nationwide. They accomplished absolutely nothing. The last two years in power, we were fed a bunch of BS and we accepted it. Hopefully it is a wake up call for 2028. All right, you'll have to be specific. I went over yesterday some of the victories that have been secured. Sounds like you are on your path to Blackpillville. 864, poor Pete. Yes, we are all communists. Grow up. No, I said that the Democrat victories, this was a good day for Iran. It's a good day for China. It's a good day for communists. It's a good day for Islamists. It was a good day for never Trumpers. It was a good day for Republicans that have always been standoffish about Trump while they have, like, maybe not be never Trump, but they were like, ew, I don't like him. I wish he wasn't around. Like, a lot of people are very happy. It's a good day for a lot of different people. So I put them in there. Now, if you... If you, when I say communist and you think I'm talking about you for some reason, I think then maybe you should examine why you think I'm talking about you. Because if you're not a communist, I'm not talking about you. Right? Okay. Mike is back, maybe. We shall see. Mike? I am back. I am back. I don't know what happened. I heard you pick up and then all of a sudden I was in a dark echo chamber. So I don't know what went on. I know. All right, so stop me if you've heard this. A Jew, a Christian, and a Muslim walk into a bar. Bartender looks up, sees a logger, a Methodist minister, a guy in a wheelchair, and a woman wearing a physician coat saying, children's hospital, walking right behind them. Bartender says, what are you guys up to? One of them says, we're looking for Roy Cooper. He's got the most experience of any of us, and maybe he can explain why Pete Callender keeps saying that Democrats have been taken over by us radical socialists. Where's my rim shot? Well, the rim shots are reserved for humor. Oh, okay. All right. First off, here's a pro tip. If you're going to do the so-and-so and so-and-so walk into a bar, you can't just keep having more and more and more people added into the equation. You've got to keep it simple, right? So if you're doing a Muslim, a Jew, and a Christian walk into a bar, that has to be the focus of the joke. right you can't then add in like i think you threw in a children's hospital or something like i'm not really like i kind of lost track of all the characters of the joke it's too many characters too many characters well. Let's see well maybe i can identify the characters you got john do. We really if you have to here's another thing if you have to explain the joke then it's not funny and the reason why to answer the question that you should have just asked or made as an assertion And saved about, I don't know, 90 seconds to two minutes here. The reason why I keep associating socialists with the Democrat Party is because the socialists are associated with the Democrat Party. And I guess they've been so successful in taking over the party, I guess they've got the folks like, you know, James Palarico and Annie Andrews and the logger and the Methodist minister and all these people who are so radical that the Democrats are just, you know, they're off in the left field someplace and. Totally, totally. don't represent America. You know, it's only the, you know, the, these people, the, the Jew, the Christian, the Muslim, the logger, the Methodist minister, the physician, you know, and. Why do you think, hang on a second, Mike, I'm curious, hang on, Mike, Mike, Mike, why, why do you think that somebody's profession is indicative of some sort of political affiliation? Or ideology. Are you suggesting that a minister can't be a communist? What I am suggesting is that. Answer the question. No, no, answer the question. I'm not asking... Because that's what you were suggesting. So I just want to be clear. Were you? Since you want to focus on one specific question. Is there something about a logger? I will answer. Why. Sure. A logger can be a good writer. Why are you associating a profession with an ideology? I'm associating a bunch of professions. Those are individual people, but those are individual people. They're not defined by their profession, their job. And they could all be MAGA people. They could. If they were running as MAGA people, they could have been. It's such a bizarre thing to waste your call on. You should have. Yeah, it is. This has been a waste of a call, Mike, because now I've got like 10 seconds left with you before I got to go to the news. And you haven't done anything to communicate the thing that I assume you were trying to communicate, but you just did it so terribly that now we're out of time. But I appreciate the call. And again, congratulations on your party's victory. Let's hope we all don't go to hell too quickly. All right, real quick. Every government number gets revised, right? Every projection gets walked back. 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Well, I had a, uh, let's see about five 45. Oh my gosh. Are you all right? So if we want to, we want to take advantage of your, uh, your, your brain fog, this is the day to do it. Um, absolutely. This is it. Would you, do you have any investments you'd like me to consider? That's right. Multi-level marketing. Um, All right, so I read your piece over at the Substack, and I was going to get to it yesterday on the show, but I never did. But you kind of laid out three different potential outcomes. There could be, you know, the blue ripple, the blue wave, and the blue tsunami, or a blue-nami, as I'm calling it. And so that's what we got, or did this surpass the metrics for a tsunami? Yeah, I think we saw the tsunami last night. And I do think, and this is from, to give credit where it's due, Charlie Cook from Cook Political Report warned everybody beforehand. He said, look, it's going to be a big old blue wave, but it's really a red undertow disguised as a blue wave. And he's not just taking metaphors too far. What he meant by that is, People aren't going to vote for the Democrats because they're like in love with Democratic policies or politicians. It's just that they're really upset with the Republicans right now and Donald Trump. And so it's going to look like they're choosing Democrats when really they're just voting against Republicans. So what is the evidence then to support the red undertow? Well, I think a great one is the constitutional amendments. Ninety-six of our counties voted for all three constitutional amendments proposed and passed by a Republican General Assembly, all three conservative policies for lower taxes and also for voter integrity, whatever you want to call it. Those are conservative policies. North Carolinians voted for them in huge numbers at the same time that they voted for Roy Cooper with a margin that we haven't seen in the United States Senate since 1974. So why– this is a question I've been asking on Twitter because North Carolina was not the only state that saw these kinds of voter ID amendments or ballot referenda. And the same thing played out across the country wherever this stuff– well, except for California. But like everywhere else, they won approval, but then Democrats also won. So why– like– Why is there this disconnect? Because obviously you don't get to a two-thirds, two-to-one victory for voter ID measure if you don't have some Democrat voters, right? So why is there this disconnect between Democrat leadership, their elected officials, and the voters? I don't know, but I do know that it's there and it's clear. It reminds me a little bit of a few cycles ago where you had places voting for Republicans up and down the ballot, but also voting for pro-choice individual ballot measures, right? So people do still have some policies that they hold that run counter to what they generally believe about parties or the party that they're running against in this case. And look, voter ID is incredibly popular. It's not that complicated, really. and why the Democratic establishment isn't sort of getting on board a little more. I don't know. What I have noticed, though, is they sure bring it up a lot less, right? So if one way you can tell what people really believe is what they talk about, like you love your family, so I listen to your show a lot, Pete. You talk about your wife. It shows me that you care about her. At the same time, Democratic politicians, they don't talk about voter ID anymore unless they're asked. Hmm. Well, in the case of Cooper, you're never asked really about anything. But I really– well, so this has been a major frustration of mine. I know you are on the Twitter machine, formerly known as X. And so you probably have seen some of these tweets that I have been– and I've been kind of bashing a lot of our North Carolina political reporters for this because– Um, they're like, they seem uninterested in what Roy Cooper will do, uh, as part of the Senate majority, which I've always like, my assumption was like, he's going to kind of be a vote for like, uh, Schumer. Right. But that's assuming Schumer is the Senate majority leader, which I'm not even so sure that he wins. I'm not sure. Yeah, like that's all up in the air. So there's no real no indication there. So how does the are you pay? Well, how much attention are you paying to the national dynamics? Because I know you focus a lot on North Carolina. Are you paying a lot of attention to the national dynamics there? Sure. Yeah. I mean, in terms of, yeah, the electoral environment and then what's going to happen in Congress. And I think you're absolutely right. I'm not sure that Chuck Schumer is going to be the guy. And I am very curious to see for a lot of these Democrats and Republicans that were just elected to office, what they're going to do when they're there. I'll be honest with you. When I saw Addison McDowell lost last night, Congressman Addison McDowell, I thought, I don't even know the name of his opponent, right? Much less what his opponent stands for or what they will do to govern. And so I hope we just sort of collectively now can shift our attention to what are these people going to do when they're in office and ask some of these questions. Oh, come on now. That's not going to happen. At the beginning, I said I was a little punch drunk and tired. Pete, I got to have these fantasies right now. I'm looking. I'm trying to find the McDowell race because I think I'm trying to find the guy's name. Where is it? Was he 8th, right? 8th District? He's the 6th. 6th? I believe that's right. Is it Johnson? Cyril Jefferson. Jefferson. Cyril Jefferson. Yeah. This is fascinating to me, right? I mean, Chuck Hubbard, maybe have a little more awareness, but I think that's frankly just because he's on Twitter a lot saying things. The guy who might have beaten Virginia Fox last night, but some of these candidates we don't know that much about. They raised, this is not a joke, like $ 8, 000 in a couple of cases. So they didn't really get their message out. And it's fascinating to me that they were able to topple some real rising stars in the Republican Party. And the fact that. Tim Moore went down last night is extraordinary. Virginia Foxx going down, extraordinary. Addison McDowell, extraordinary. We expect that I think Jamie Ager would likely win in the 11th, but these others are shockers. Yeah, Richard Hudson as well. Yeah, that's right. And I think in that case, Jada at least has gotten interviews. He's been on programs. He's you know, raise some money. He ran what I would consider a more professional campaign. I don't mean that like, I liked it better. I just mean he was spending money and trying to get his name out there. He ran ads, these other candidates. I just don't know the first thing about, I shouldn't say candidates. We have people who are about to be in office. Yeah. And I think one of them, uh, Brett Jensen was, uh, describing one of them is a guy lives at home with his, with his parents. Um, He doesn't have a job. I think that's a statehouse. No, I think that's a statehouse race. It's like baby steps. You're going to get an $ 18, 000 a year gig. Is this the long-predicted and much-anticipated among some quarters end of the MAGA coalition? I think it probably is as the governing coalition of the Republican Party. MAGA is not going to go away. And a MAGA coalition isn't going to go away, but I think it has been the majority or at least the plurality governing coalition in the Republican Party, and that's going to shift. And so just like I want people to be asking the Democrats who just got elected what the heck they're going to do, I think the question for the Republicans and frankly the Democrats actually is, is how do they tell the story of what happened last night? I want to understand, did the Democrats think that people are loving their policies? Because I think that's it. Or do they realize that it's something else? How do the Republicans tell the story of what happened last night? I mean, I've already heard some Republicans saying, hey, we only lost because Michael Watley's campaign was run out of D.C. and not North Carolina. I'm not really sure that's correct either. Yeah, or J.D. Vance is out there saying it was the Iran war. Yeah, surprise, surprise from J.D. Vance. But yeah, that's not what the exit polling shows. It's not what the pre-polling shows. So he's obviously already trying to separate that issue from him, from that issue from the Trump administration if he's going to run for 28. Yeah, and I've seen some people say this just torched his 2028 plans because this is like a dead man walk-in. with this lame duck administration, underwater approval numbers. I don't know. I keep coming back to this, which is I think people who had prior beliefs will look at these results and just say, aha, I was right. This proves my prior belief. That's what they're going to take out of this. Yeah, I think you're right. And I think both parties may do a terrible job actually reading what the American citizens were trying to tell them to do. I think you're exactly right. All right, Chris, we'll leave it there. Dr. Chris Cooper, so you're on Substack. Do you have a name for your Substack? It's Anatomy of a Purple State is a Substack, which is also conveniently the title of my book. Look at this cross-platform marketing at play. There you go. All right, Chris, good to talk with you again. I appreciate it. You too. Have a great day. You too. That's Chris Cooper from Western Carolina University. He's the Robert Lee Madison Distinguished Professor. Not just any professor, a distinguished one. And he's also the director of the Hare Institute for Public Policy at WCU. Let's jump over and chat with Sean. Hello, Sean. Welcome to the show. How you doing, man? How you doing? I'm all right. What's up? That was a nice wave last night, wasn't it? That's for you. I'm sure it was. Yeah. But let me make a point, man. You keep on talking about this socialism. For all your Republican listeners, I always answer the phone. Do you really think all these Republicans in South Carolina and in North Carolina, these little rural countries, voted for socialism? That's not their thing. They was tired of this dumb president talking about. Did I ever say that the Republicans voted for socialism? You keep on running there about Democrats. Yeah, because that's true. That part's true. That may be true, but last night it showed that people are tired of this guy up here talking about what all the wealth he has, but it ain't doing that for America. I mean, it's just an average person. That's the key. You keep on talking about all these socialism, and all these people keep on talking about, yeah, what's the country? We don't know what the country's going to do for the next two years. We don't know anything about that. So y'all can make all these comments about this socialism stuff. I'm just going by what they're promising and what they say they stand for. Okay, well, they may stand for that, but when they get up there and they know what people are going through, maybe they'll have a change of heart. Oh, so they're going to run on a campaign of democratic socialism, but then they're not going to do it? Well, it's all about give and take. That's what people want. So they've been lying. There you go. There you go. I don't want to spin everything, but hopefully your listeners get through all that conversation you chit-chat back. And forth for. You say a lot without saying anything. Oh, yeah, yeah, there you go, okay. I'm pointing it out, like you're just kind of filibustering, saying words that are not, like, they don't really mean stuff. No, because what you just said is that you anticipate Democrats. No, Sean, Sean, what you just said was that you expect Democrats who have been running on Democratic Socialist platform planks that have been endorsing the things the DSA has been promoting. that you're saying that they're going to get into power and they're not going to do those things. And so what you're basically saying is that they lie. They're lying to win election. Is that correct? Well, you want to spin it that way. I'm asking you, Sean. I don't know what they say. The only thing we could do is hope and pray. Oh, you don't know. Hope and pray. But let me say one more thing before I go for you. I agree with that. Hoping and praying. Yes. Yeah, I know. But day one, they need to investigate all the shenanigans he done did with him and his family. Oh, they will. That's the first thing they should do. They will. These American people, these American people have not got rich ever since he's been in office. But he, him and his family. And I don't care what anybody call back and say him and his family going to be well off than the rest of the American that don't ever be. And he going to set up a mother logo and we still going to the same place. So the first thing they need to investigate all the money he done made and let them show that he was just for himself and not for the people. All right. There you go, Sean. Greed and envy, which is at the core of socialism. That's that. That's what the whole ideology in the system is. But don't worry. Investigations are coming. Impeachments are coming. 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