Weird Walz - a/k/a: the #Timpon (08-07-2024--Hour1)

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[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk a little bit about Weird Walz. That's and that's who this guy is. He's weird, which is funny to me. That's why I think he thought to use the word weird. Because, you know, as I've been watching more of the clips of him from the years reading more of his record, Tim Walz, the governor of Minnesota, I suspect what he considers to be weird. He does so because he himself is weird.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And so when he sees things that he cannot understand, he labels them as weird. But if you were if you were to back up and maybe I'll get a broader lay of the land. He might realize that he's the weird one. What do I always say? Unchallenged ideas are easy to hold.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And when you surround yourself with people who think like you agree with you and tell you you're the best at all the things that you're doing.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Not only does it insulate you from any kind of criticism that could be helpful, by the way. And I have heard that he has a notoriously thin skin. So looking forward to to that getting punctured a little bit along the way and how he reacts to that.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But you never you never have to defend your positions. You never have to explain yourself, defend a philosophy, logically walk through an argument.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to do that. And that's OK. If you're a Democrat, you never have to. That's one of the beauties of being a Democrat.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I also have for years called this the big D shield. D for Democrat. And it's a shield.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And when you're a Democrat official, elected official or a comms person or media, you get to wield this shield.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And it means that you never are subjected to the kinds of questions and games that are most often directed at Republicans.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that it never happens, but the bar is very high every now and again.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Some attack will get around the shield or under the shield. I mean, it's a D. Right.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's there there are weaknesses there in the shield. So it can you know, it's not 100 percent effective, but it's almost 100 percent effective.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this guy is about to get a critique the likes of which he has never had to go through because he's been in a safe Democrat seat.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He was in a safe Democrat state, and now he is going to be subjected to examination.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, lucky for him, we are in a compressed election cycle. Right.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Democrats have orchestrated this. So neither Kamala Harris nor Tim Walls are going to have to be subjected to any kind of exam for very long.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a feature, not a bug. And so this will be to their benefit.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So you may have heard this term that the kids are using called the vibes.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all about the vibes. Such a stupid thing. We live in such a stupid time.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the intentional dumbing down of like everything.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so frustrating that you we now find ourselves in a position where we are in an election cycle and all we're hearing is that it's about the vibes.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And what does that mean? It means the feels.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, that was the term the kids were using a couple of years ago.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: All about all up in my feels. What does that mean?

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It means emotionalism. Right. It doesn't mean logic.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean rational thought. It doesn't mean introspection or a deep understanding of of a philosophy or a policy.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Some understanding an argument. It's just how you feel about something.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: When I was at university down at Winthrop in Rock Hill, I had a philosophy professor.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Believe his name was Dr. Craighead.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And he would correct students when they would say things in the discussions in class.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And they would they would say, oh, well, you know, I feel like and then they would start to talk and he would stop them and say, no, you think.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. Because that is the thing that separates us from animals.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You think you are in a philosophy class, you are engaging in the arena of ideas.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_01]: You need to think not to say that emotions and feelings and vibes, not to say that those things are completely irrelevant.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: No, you can use language to evoke emotion. Right.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You can then channel that emotion. But if you're having a discussion about philosophy or politics or who's the best,

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: who's going to be the best leader for something, who do you want to hire for a job, you should not be relying on vibes or feels or emotion.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a terrible way, terrible way to pick boyfriends and politicians.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: OK. One thing you can say about Tim Walls, and I watched the the appearance last night in Pennsylvania by Kamala Harris and Tim Walls.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And I agree with Noah Rothman over at National Review where he says one thing you can say in Walls's favor is that his demeanor is that of a happy warrior and his attempts at humor have a natural and unrehearsed feel.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree. I agree. I agree. He is good on the stage with a crowd of clapping seals.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He's very good at delivering the teleprompter lines and he makes these jokes and he has this what's kind of a weird grin that he does.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's this. Yeah, it's like this over exaggerated grin smile that is where his teeth don't ever connect.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the top row with the bottom row, they never come down and say he's like, eh, almost like he's wincing in pain.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: He's also got some weird mannerisms.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, I'm using the word weird because this is what Walls called Trump and J.D. Vance.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: He called them weird.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And apparently, if you are to believe the media and the Democrats, but I repeat myself, that this is really, really gotten into the feels and the vibes of the youth.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: The young kids are all about the weird.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Weird. Now, I'm not really sure how they're judging that because when I read the story in the AP, they only quote one progressive organization around which they've constructed this entire story.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But be that as it may, this guy weird walls.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a little bit of weirdness in his mannerisms.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He does this constant head scratching and picking of his hair, of his scalp.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of weird.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you doing that?

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that like a nervous tick or something?

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Or do you have ticks?

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the bug.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like did a tick latch onto your head?

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's lice.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying he does have lice.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying it's a little weird.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He does this thing where he's constantly like putting his hand to his chest, almost like he's pledging allegiance, but he just kind of moves it all around his whole torso.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not really sure what that's about, why he keeps doing that.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really sure why he does the open mouth, teeth not touching grin thing.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm also not really sure why he keeps reaching to unbutton his blazer, but then he never unbuttons it.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of a weird thing.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, he did this really weird thing at the very end of his speech where he shakes his wife's hand.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of weird.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even Kamala Harris and Doug, the nanny slayer, Emhoff, her husband, even they kissed and hugged at the end.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, okay, to be sure, to be sure, Weird Walls did hug his wife, but he did it after they shook hands.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Like she got on stage, they shook hands, and he pulls her in for a hug.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a very weird thing to do.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Weird walls.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: There is another name for him that's making the rounds.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean to be crude here.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to be...

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I usually don't work blue, as they say in the biz.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But it has to do with his stocking of feminine hygiene products in boys' rooms, in schools in Minnesota.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And his name, Tim, lends itself very well to the type of product that he mandated be put into the schools.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's making the rounds, which also, just as a policy, kind of weird.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Why would you put these products in the bathrooms, in boys' rooms in fourth grade?

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of weird, right?

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, he does have skills as a performer.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Noah Rothman says his material, though, should leave his supporters apprehensive about the Minnesota governor's judgment.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's go over to the phones.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's Jack.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, Jack.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the show.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, Pete.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_04]: How are you doing, sir?

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing all right.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Jack.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: How are you?

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, I'm doing fine, man.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Good.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm listening to your show, and I've got to say, man, that was the weirdest opening.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Jack, are you still there?

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm disparaged.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Hang on, Jack.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Hang on, hang on.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to...

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Jack, you're going to have to restart.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You're going through a bad cell or something.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You're dropping out.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm sorry.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I said, yeah, that was the weirdest opening to a show I've ever heard you do.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_04]: You spent a huge amount of time disparaging Waltz and trying to convince the audience that he's weird also.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, what's that about, man?

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't think that's weird, the stuff that I've highlighted?

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not weird to you?

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's not.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Why not?

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just him being who he is.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't remember you, and maybe I missed it because I listen to you quite frequently.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember you doing this sort of analysis of J.D. Vance.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, did J.D. Vance call Tim Wallz weird when he made his first speech?

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Did he come out there and accuse Wallz of being weird?

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I haven't heard J.D. Vance's first speech since the announcement was made yet.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Have you heard anybody trying to call Tim Wallz weird?

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You are.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Besides me, obviously, besides me right now.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I wasn't even talking about Tim Wallz before yesterday.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd never given the guy a mention except for, like, his name in a list of potential VP candidates.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So it sounds like I may be taking flack here because I'm over a target.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you understand why I'm highlighting the weirdness?

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you really that obtuse that you don't understand why I'm highlighting the weirdness of Tim Wallz?

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_04]: No, what I'm saying is why...

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's not what I asked.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I know what you're saying, and I know why you're saying it.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking you if you know why I'm saying what I'm saying.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_04]: No, well, why you're saying it.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know why I would be highlighting the weirdness of Tim Wallz?

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Tell me why.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Tell me why.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Tell me why this is so important to you.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay, I will.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was pretty clear, but when one is willfully obtuse, I guess it isn't.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So the reason why you highlight the weirdness of Tim Wallz is because this was the centerpiece of his online persona

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: in securing the vice presidential nomination from Kamala Harris,

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: not to mention the fact that it is being used as the primary line of attack against J.D. Vance,

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: who is a pretty normal guy.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And to call him weird is a political attack.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the reason he's using it.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_04]: But isn't weird subjective?

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm one of your listeners.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I listen to you all the time.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm one of your listeners.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm one of your supporters.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you're a supporter.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, go ahead.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm one of your supporters in politics, but I do listen to you.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't believe that he's weird.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I disagree with you.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So putting tampons in every single fourth-grade bathroom, boys' room in the state, that's not weird?

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Come on, man.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And there's more to that than just that.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: What is it?

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So what's more to it?

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me what's more to it.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: No, Jack.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's all I've mentioned so far.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got other examples of his weirdness.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I went over a couple of them, just mannerisms.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But as a policy statement, what makes that off the table?

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Why is there more to it?

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: There isn't actually anything more to it, right?

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He put them in the bathroom.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's weird.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So why did he do it, Pete?

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Why did he do it?

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Answer your own question.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I know why he did it.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Answer your own question.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_04]: That's why I'm asking you.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know why you would...

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Really, Jack?

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, don't whiz on my boot and tell me it's raining.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Come on, man.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't followed him.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't followed him like you have.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Why would a Democrat governor mandate tampons in fourth grade and older bathrooms for boys?

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Why?

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Because they're needed.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, what...

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Why?

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Why are they needed in a boys' room in fourth grade?

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I have no...

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, man.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so if you don't know, Jack, doesn't that make it kind of weird?

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: If you can't...

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Jack, if you can't figure out...

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Jack, if you can't figure out a possible explanation for why he would do this, that by definition

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: would make it weird.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So what's your definition of weird?

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you changing...

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Why do you want this to be about me?

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking about the policy.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You're making it about me.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying that that's weird.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have an explanation for why he would do this thing.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm saying we seem to agree that it's weird.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think what you're trying to do, and I may be wrong here, is that he came up with

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_04]: this line against J.D. Vance.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So here you are, obviously a supporter of J.D. Vance.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So what you're trying to do is you're trying to prove that, hey, Waltz is more weird than

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_04]: J.D. Vance.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So you're trying to one-up him on the weirdness, I think.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pointing out that he is weird, and he is in no position to call anybody else weird.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it's pretty obvious.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's so obvious that you don't want to answer the question because you agree.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I do appreciate the call, Jack, and thanks for being such a strident supporter of the

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: show.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Jack's inability to explain why somebody as governor would put tampons in the boys' room

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: at all the public schools in his state from grades 4 through 12.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Jack just can't figure it out, but doesn't want to call it weird.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there's got to be a non-weird explanation for it.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But no, it is exactly, look, I'm going to give Jack the benefit of the doubt there and

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: say that he does know.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: He knows exactly why those feminine products were put into the boys' rooms.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: He knows why.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He just doesn't want to say.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He wants to make it about J.D. Vance.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and here's the thing.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I prefer J.D. Vance to Tim Walls.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know why?

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's closer to my political philosophy and the way I see things in the world than

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Tim Walls is.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And I look at Tim Walls' record.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And his record includes putting tampons in the boys' room, for one.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole litany.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a whole lot of research now on Tim Walls.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe Jack doesn't care, because Jack's going to vote for the Democrat regardless.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't matter.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And so Jack wants me to attack J.D. Vance.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what the mainstream media is for, Jack.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: J.D. Vance is getting all sorts of attacks, including from Tim Walls last night.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Here you go.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a clip here.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: This is from last night.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, do, do, do, do, do, do.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mislabeled that.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's, uh, here's Tim Walls last night attacking J.D. Vance.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see if it'll play.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_02]: J.D. Vance literally, literally wrote the foreword for the architect of the Project 2025 agenda.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Boo, boo, conservative philosophy.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Most of the people that are booing the 2025, Project 2025 have never read it because it's a thousand pages.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was a compilation from conservative think tanks over the course of years.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was put together by the Heritage Foundation.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: The guy who put it together, uh, he wrote a book also.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It's coming out.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: He delayed its publication until after the election so as to not influence the election.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And J.D. Vance wrote the foreword for that book that has not been published.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm supposed to be outraged at this.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm supposed to be outraged that conservative think tank people put together white papers into one place, into one website, espousing conservative philosophy and policy.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, no, I'm not outraged.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, I'm not outraged that progressives would do it too.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And they do.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: They do.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they do.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what think tanks do.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what people who work for think tanks do.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: They think things about things and they put them on paper.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: They call them white papers.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they put them on the websites.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they compile them all together.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they use them to advance policy.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not weird.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Project 2025 is not the thing.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And I know when you're in the echo chamber, you think Project 2025 is the boogeyman, but it's not.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But here's the thing.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Tim Walls, he knows that the clapping seal audience last night in Pennsylvania, that they would react exactly as they did.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Boo.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Even though nobody knows what's actually in it.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it would require them to do the research, to read it, and to have some understanding of conservatism, which they do not.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but here's the real meat of the clip here.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like all regular people I grew up with in the heartland, JD studied at Yale.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Had his career funded by Silicon Valley billionaires.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And then wrote a bestseller, Trashing That Community.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Come on!

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not what middle America is.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And I gotta tell you, I can't wait to debate the guy.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Should be fun.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Right now he's doing the weird unbuttoned button thing, scratching the head, grinning without his teeth closing.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: That is if he's willing to get off the couch and show up.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So, see what I did there?

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So what does that mean?

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: If he's willing to get off the couch and show up.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: What is that?

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he says, you see what I did there.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_01]: What's he talking about?

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know?

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's not talking about standing up off the couch.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_01]: See, that's what people who don't spend a lot of time online, that's what you would think.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's another, that's not why he said that.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not what he's talking about.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Noah Rothman.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_01]: For those of us, sorry, those of us who have failed to maintain a healthy relationship with the internet probably do see what the governor did there.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Those who are blessedly less exposed to the sordid and defamatory calumny that passes for discourse in the online forums probably do not.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: What he's talking about there is a lie.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a lie that has been spreading on, in the progressive echo chamber online.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody in some, I don't know, on some social media platform or whatever, they took a screenshot from some book.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And they attributed it to Hillbilly Elegy, which was the book that J.D. Vance wrote.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But the passage that the guy screenshotted, this person screenshotted, was not actually in the book.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And the passage describes how the author, I don't know where it came from, but it describes how this person had a relationship of a physical nature with a sofa.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay?

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And they attributed that to Hillbilly Elegy.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And now you've got about half the country that believes that that's in the book.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, anybody that read the book would know that it's not in the book, but they don't care about the truth.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And so what Tim Walls just did was to basically accuse J.D. Vance of having sex with a sofa.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what he just accused J.D. Vance of doing.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is kind of weird for a vice presidential candidate to do.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And therein lies the conundrum for Walls.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Noah Rothman says the Harris campaign has spent Walls' first day on the trail, retailing him to voters as the folksy education professional who all but personifies Midwest nice.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: How, then, is this man, the very model of conviviality, supposed to explain the joke?

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to hear him explain what he meant.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_01]: What did you do there?

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Weird Walls.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Timpon Tim.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But tell me, what exactly did you mean by that statement?

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Please explain that to everybody.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he assumes he's never going to have to.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And he, I mean, it's probably a good bet, right?

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Considering that he has interference being run for him by media that are never going to ask him what he meant by the couch comment.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they know what he meant and they don't want to put him on the spot and embarrass him and have to articulate what exactly he was referring to.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Which, once again, I feel the need to point out was a lie.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the vice president.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So, for all your talk about the norms and the inappropriateness and the crude vulgarity of Donald Trump, how do you give this guy a pass for that?

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I get it.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's different when Democrats do it.

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me go over to the phones and talk with Jimmy.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, Jimmy.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the show.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, Pete.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: So, Jack doesn't know what's weird about putting 10 cards in boys' bathrooms.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he must, you know, I've seen Kamala standing next to a 7-foot drag queen with a full-length beard.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And this Tim fella who is trying to decriminalize pedophilia because it's a preference.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And Jack knows that.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Jack knows exactly what the rationale behind it all is.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He just doesn't want to have to admit it.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what they're going to do for the next 90 days is just ignore and deflect and attack and try to say, oh, that you, you know, I don't know what all this is about.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But what about J.D. Vance?

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: What about Donald Trump?

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_01]: What about, what about, what about in order to not have to defend their own candidates?

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: We all heard Jack's tap dance.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We all heard it.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, what's the weirdest thing J.D. Vance did?

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, eat a candy bar?

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I ain't seen anything weird out of him.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_03]: He has a wife.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_03]: He has kids.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's weird for Democrats now.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe so.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I think, and he went to Yale.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_01]: He went to Yale.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Jimmy, I appreciate the call, sir.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is the other thing.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, J.D. Vance went to Yale after he enlisted in the Marine Corps and went to war, came back, got into Yale and finished college, finished law school.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm supposed to believe that there's something wrong about that, that that somehow isn't Midwest value.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, you know what's ironic is that if you read Hillbilly Elegy, as I did before J.D. Vance was anybody that you had ever heard of, like at a national political level.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And I read his book, and he talked about the concept of too big for your britches.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And what Tim Walls did last night is exactly what J.D. Vance described in his book, which Walls classified as trashing the community, which Vance did not do.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Vance was talking about a culture, a society, his family, his friends, that get trapped into this way of thinking that you're, quote, too big for your britches.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: In that you bettered yourself.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's, that is a way to keep people down by rejecting the notion that you can get out and you should strive to get out.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And by get out, I mean have a better life.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Have a higher standard of living.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_01]: To reject the things that hold you back.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a, there's the old example of the crabs in the bucket or crabs in a pot where, you know, if you put a bunch of crabs in a bucket, they don't ever escape.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Even though they could, if they work together, but usually when a crab starts crawling up the side of the bucket, the other crabs drag them back down.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's, it's a metaphor for, you know, your family, for your friend group, your, your neighborhood, your community that does that to you.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things J.D. Vance has talked about and others have said is that there's a lot of similarities in the community that Vance was describing, which is Appalachian white rural poor with urban black poor.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: There is a, there's a similarity there and he would hear from black leaders that say the things you wrote in your book are applicable to what I see as well in my community.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And what is Tim Walz doing?

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He's doing that exact thing.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Making fun of the guy for coming out of Appalachia, bettering himself, getting to go to Yale, and then here's the big sin.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He's doing that.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He's doing that.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He's doing that.