Virginia Democrat tried to explain why terrorism is fine against Republicans (10-06-2025--Hour1)

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They of course don't support the murder of Charlie Kirk, but they of course don't support or condone the guy who went to assassinate Brett Kavanaugh, sitting US Supreme Court justice. But of course they don't support you attacking Ice officials and agents and such. But right if ever, there was an opportunity for them to just put a period before the butt. You would think that a candidate for one elected office in Virginia might who sent some really outrageous messages to a Republican wishing murder on another Republican and that republic Bublican's entire family. You would think this would be that proverbial layup that they could just take this and say, oh, that's a terrible thing. He should not Yeah, he should not be continuing his run for of all seats, the attorney general of Virginia. But that's not happening. No, no, that's not happening. There will be the standard. I'm not saying he should have said it, but it is simply politically inconvenient. It is inconvenient for them because we only have a few more weeks before their election. Now, they're already early voting. In fact, hundreds of thousands of votes have already been banked in the early voting period. So this guy Joe no, sorry, Jay Jones, there's another guy named Joe Johnson. That's a different guy. But this is Jay Jones. He is the candidate for attorney General of the common Wealth of Virginia. And the story begins low those many years ago. August eighth, twenty twenty two, a Republican state legislator got a string of disturbing text messages from one of her former colleagues. Jay Jones, is a Democrat. J Jones was a state legislator and then got out of the legislating business. And at the time August twenty twenty two, he was already out, but he still had I guess you know, the phone numbers and group chats and such with his former colleagues. He was at the time, he had recently resigned from his state House seat after a brief stint representing Norfolk, as I call it, so as to not run a foul of FC's he guidelines Norfolk Virginia. And he had actually left that seat because he took a gig in the Biden administration. I believe his title was Deputy Assistant US Attorney for Virginia, so that's where he was at this point. I assume maybe he hadn't started the gig yet. I'm not sure what the exact timeline is of his employment there, but he started off as this state lawmaker. He then resigns that post to go to work for the Biden administration in the dj Okay, and now he is running for Attorney General of Virginia. Okay. So he sends a series of text messages. Now, he started off by inadvertently sending it to this Republican former colleague. He didn't mean to send it to her, but he did. And then he doubled down, and then he tripled down, and then he quadrupled down. If that's a thing, I think it's a thing. So what had happened the backstory? He has recently resigned, okay. But there was a former state lawmaker who had recently passed away, had just passed away in the summer of twenty twenty two. And that guy's name was Joe Johnson Junior. Joe Johnson Junior, a Democrat, a moderate Democrat, And when he died, he was being eulogized by a whole bunch of state lawmakers, and a lot of them happened to be Republicans. They were making public statements honoring Johnson's memory, honoring his political legacy. And some of these statements that the Republicans were making were making the rounds in state legislative group chats okay, and the comments from the Republicans were positive. You know, they were, you know, thoughts and prayers to the family. Worked with him for a long time. He was a really good man, got a lot done for his district. Blah blah blah. So around eight am Jones J. Jones, the living Democrat now running for attorney general. He shared his feelings with his former state legislative colleague, Republican House Delegate Carrie Coinner, in a series of text messages that were obtained by National Review. Jones derided Johnson's political centrism. Oh yeah, I should point out here Joe Johnson was from southwest Virginia, rural area of the state Appalachian Mountain area, and was a moderate Democrat. You might call him a blue dog Democrat, the very species that Democrat parties in the Southeast have been trying to somehow woo back in because they've just been getting obliterated in these areas that used to be represented by blue dog Democrats when Democrat party machine operations controlled all the levers of the government in North Carolina for one hundred and fifty years. But they lost the blue dogs long time ago. For economic reasons and cultural reasons. Right. They Republicans started peeling these voters away, and Democrats just kept kicking them out because they weren't sufficiently politically correct, they weren't sufficiently woke, and they were not ranking high enough up on the oppression pyramid. Right, So Joe Johnson passes away. You've got these comments making the rounds, and Jay Jones sends a series of tweets to his former Republican colleague, Carry Coiner. And then these were apparently screenshotted and sent over to the target of the text messages, a guy by the name of Todd Gilbert. Todd Gilbert was the I guess now former House Speaker Todd Gilbert okay, who had made comments praising the late Joe Johnson Jr. And so Jones says to Coiner in one of the text messages, Oh, that was supposed to be for Mark, somebody named Mark. I don't know who Mark is. It doesn't really matter. He meant to send it to somebody else. But rather than realizing you sent it to the wrong person and just shutting up, no, no, Jay Jones doubles down. It did not stop him from joking about what a quote pos that means piece of poop Gilbert is and what he would say about me if I died, what the house speaker would say about Jay Jones, And then the conversation took the dark turn. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really spec and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Ashville is your connection. Whether you're celebrating an anniversary, a honeymoon, maybe you want to plan a memorable proposal, or get family and friends together for a big old reunion, Cabins of Asheville has the ideal spot for you where you can reconnect with your loved ones and the things that truly matter. Nestled within the breath taking fourteen thousand acres of the Pisga National Forest, their cabins offer a serene escape in the heart of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Centrally located between Ashville and the entrance of the Great Smoky Mountain National Park. 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They got these text messages from j Jones, a former Democrat state lawmaker turned deputy assistant US attorney now the attorney general candidate for the Commonwealth of Virginia and election early voting is already underway, and he was texting first. Inadvertently, he sent a message to a Republican House delegate named Carrie Coiner, and he initially says, oh, that was for somebody else, but then he says, I wonder what Speaker of the House would say about me if I died, Because the Speaker of the house, a Republican named Todd Gilbert was saying nice things about a Democrat who had died, a long time Southwest Virginia Democrat named Joe Johnson Junior, and then the conversation took a dark turn. He says, if those guys die before me, I will go to their funerals to whiz on their graves, to send them out a wash in something where he started. He then suggested that if he had the hypothetical situation in which he only had two bullets and was faced with the choice of murdering the speaker of the house Todd Gilbert or Hitler or Paul Pott, he said he would shoot Gilbert every time. Every time Joanes said three people, two bullets, Gilbert, Hitler, and pole Pot, Gilbert gets two bullets to the head, so he would let Hitler and Pole Pott live in order to make sure that he murders the speaker of the house, which would indicate insanity, but also that he believes Gilbert is somehow worse than both Hitler and pol Pott. I believe this is actually a joke that's been in circulation for a while where you swap out you know some other person besides, you know your political opponent. He then says, spoiler, put Gilbert in the crew with the two worst people you know, and he receives both bullets every time, to which the Republican responds, Jay, please stop. He then says, Lol, okay, okay. Coiner then responds, it really bothers me when you talk about hurting people or wishing death on them. It isn't okay no matter who they are. Jones, who is looking to oust the incumbent Republican Attorney General, a fellow by the name of Jason Millaris. This fall, as I mentioned, early voting began on September nineteenth. Coiner sent the screenshots of this text exchange to Gilbert that day, so I can only assume one of those two either sent them along to other people who gave it to the National Review, or one of these two, either Coiner or Gilbert, were the ones that divulged. In Following publication of this story at the National Review, another outlet published a reaction from the Jones campaign, who said, quote, like all people, I have sent text messages that I regret, and I believe that violent rhetoric has no place in our politics. Let's be clear about what is happening in the attorney general race right now, Jason Mayirace is dropping smears through Trump controlled media, which, like this is the National Review. National Review did like they did an entire edition. I think it was called never Trump during the twenty sixteen election. National Review is hardly a hotbed of trump Ism. Okay. He says that these organizations are trying to assault my character and rescue Jason Mallares's desperate campaign. This is a strategy that ensures he will continue to be accountable to Donald Trump, not the people of Virginia. This race is about whether Trump can control Virginia or Virginian's control Virginia. You know, yeah, see, no, this is right now. I mean that you may think that's what the whole campaign is about, but this right now, like this story is about you fetishizing and fantasizing about the murder of your colleague of an elected official. Okay, So it gets worse. I mentioned the doubling and the tripling and the quadrupling down. I think we're on the doubling down. This is now I think going to move to the tripling down phase. Okay, So after Coiner tells him that hey, This isn't okay. It's not okay to talk about hurting people or wishing death on them, no matter who they are. It's not okay. And that then prompts Jones to call her. He calls her to quote explain his reasoning. Yeah, no, oh, I'm not sure that you can really explain this quote reasoning. The Democratic former legislator then said that the only way public policy changes is when policy makers feel pain themselves. See, so that's why this is totally okay, right, because yeah, they need to make changes and they need to feel pain themselves. In other words, this is terrorism, Like, this is the use of terror, The use of violence in order to influence public policy changes. That's terrorism. So he's trying to explain why terrorism is good in this phone call. But wait, there's more. 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I use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it also supports ground News as they make the media landscape more transparent. So J Jones sent a text message or several actually to a Republican former colleague from the Virginia House of Delegates where he said it would be totally fine to murder the House speaker, a Republican. He thought he was texting somebody else, but when he found out that he had sent it to a Republican, he continued and doubled down and said, no, no, no, it's totally fine, And then when his former colleague, this Delegate Coiner, when she said, just stop. This is never justified. You know, hurting people over politics has never justified. He then called her on the phone to explain his reasoning, and he said that policy changes only come when policy makers feel pain themselves, like the pain that parents feel when they watched their children die from gun violence. He asked her then to provide counter examples to disprove his claim, which is actually a pretty stupid thing, because policymakers make policy on things that have not directly impacted them all the time. Then, at one point in this phone conversation, he suggested that he wished Gilbert's wife, the Speaker of the House's wife, could watch her own children die in her arms, so that Gilbert might reconsider his political views, prompting Coiner to hang up the phone in disgust. That was the tripling down, and now we arrive at the quadrupling down segment of the story chapter four. After this, Jones continued his barrage of text messages, saying he was just asking questions. Coinner dismissed his excuse via text and chastised him for hoping Jennifer Gilbert's children would die. Rather than deny that he had wished death on the children, Jones responded by saying, yes, I've told you this before. Only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy, which would be confirmation of the things that he said in the phone call. Faced with more pushback from Coinner, Jones somehow took the conversation a step further. He said, quote, I mean, do I think Todd and Jennifer are evil and that they're breeding little fascists? Yes, just so everybody is clear, Just so we're clear. When given multiple opportunities to take the off ramp from violence porn, Jay Jones refused to refuse to pull off of that route. So, I don't know, call me crazy, but maybe a guy like this should not be the top cop of Virginia. What do you think? Probably not the best job for him working in the law, because what he is talking about is obviously against the law. Right, Obviously he would celebrate violence, law breaking against his political foe and the murder of his children in the presence of his wife because it would help j Jones achieve his preferred policy prescriptions, and he wants to be the Attorney general of Virginia. Eric Erickson points out that if Jones were a Republican, every major news outlet in America would demand to know what the congressional Republicans think. A few years ago, he says, a local public official who happened to be a Republican made a racist remark, and national reporters were on Capitol Hill demanding that Republican senators and congressmen denounced the man, and that none of them had even heard of Here we have the Democrats Attorney general candidate in Virginia, by the way, and that's important because of its proximity to DC, and how many people who work in DC, who work for the government, how many of them live in northern Virginia. Right here we have the Democrats Attorney general candidate wishing a politician's children were murdered and that politician to be killed, and folks like Manu Raju of CNN is nowhere to be seen shoving microphones in Democrats' faces. And I would simply point out that that is not the way defend or disavow runs. The game of defend or disavow is strictly to be played by media against Republicans. Democrats are never forced to play this game by media. This only there's only one group of contestants that ever gets to play D or D, and it is the Republicans. In fact, this is from Let's see here. Yeah, these are several local Democrat committees in Virginia, the Accomack County Party, the Chesapeake Party, Franklin Party, Isle of Wight, Northampton, Southampton, Suffolk, and Virginia Beach Democratic Committees. And they put out a statement, the Democratic Committees of Virginia Second Congressional District reaffirm they are full support of Jay Jones for Attorney General. We are lined up ten toes down, ready to organize, mobilize, and deliver, voterize. They didn't say that part, but it just seemed to fit anyway for Jay and the entire Democrat ticket hashtag teno's down for Jones, Like that's apparently, like that's just a stupid hashtag. And then they have another hashtag here It says my yard ocus that's the opponent, the Republican incumbent, Maaris Myrs. Not our cup of tea. That's another hashtag, Mars not our cup of tea, which is also a stupid hashtag. Recent press may have spotlighted past mistakes. We say that those without sin cast the first stone, which again the follow up corollary there is, and go sin no more. That's the other thing, go sin no more, which is to recognize the sin. So Jay Jones has taken responsibility, apologized and shown he is committed to serving with integrity and accountability that his public record already shows. Okay, let's talk a little bit about that public record, shall we. This is to do Fox News. Virginia's Democratic Attorney General nominee dodged possible jail time for driving one hundred and sixteen miles an hour. Yeah, on the interstate going one sixteen. And he dodged the jail time by logging one thousand hours of community service. That's a lot. Where did he do this community service? Well, he split it up in half. He did five hundred hours a piece at the local NAACP and with his own political action committee. Yes, the document show former Delegate Jay Jones was caught driving one sixteen on I sixty four in New Kent, Virginia, about halfway between Richmond and Newport News, typically resulting in up to a one year prison sentence. Jones received several deferments of his court date for various reasons before he judge finally agreed to accept one thousand hours completed of community service instead of a tougher punishment. In January twenty twenty four, his political action committee, which is called Meet Our Moment or MOM for short, which says it recruits and trains minority Democrat candidates to run for Virginia offices, and the Virginia Chapter of the NAACP both said Jones completed five hundred hours of service each. The letters from MOM is signed by Leslie Schinbaum Stewart, who identified herself as executive director of MOM. News reports have also described her as Jones's unofficial chief of staff. As recently as twenty twenty one, records shared with Fox News Digital showed Jones's campaign had paid her consulting firm more than one hundred grand over the course of about four years, and that a few days after the letter was filed, Jones made an additional six thousand dollars payment to her. Virginia law states that court ordered community service has to include unpaid work for a nonprofit or government agency, which raises the question as to whether or not mom's registration as a political action committee satisfied that requirement. I'm no lawyer, but I would say no, it does not. It would not. The NAACP provided documents to the court, but it shows no timesheets which would verify the five hundred hours of service. Nobody, either of them actually provided any kind of time sheets. New Kent Commonwealth's Attorney Scott Rennick, said many defendants convicted of traffic and other the minor offenses were steered towards community service instead of jail time because this was the COVID era and everybody's going to die if they're in the jail. Also, it's up to the defendant's attorney to verify the hours filed with the court as community service. His thousand hours would also add up to nearly twenty hours a week over a year, which is kind of odd because he was so very, very busy, busy busy because he had taken the gig as a deputy US attorney in with the Justice Department during the Biden administration. Yeah, so he was taking the new job very very busy, had to get court to ferments and such because he was oh so busy for some of them, while working for the Biden administration, he was somehow able to crank out twenty hours of additional work per week for free, even though there are no time sheets proving that he actually did any of the community's service work. But he totally did it, you can trust him. And they signed those letters. Oh and then he paid one of them for the work that she was doing. Obviously it has nothing to do with, you know, trying to make this thing go away. His chief of staff running an operation that totally used his community service five hundred hours for legitimate purposes, even though that's a political action committee and probably not actually allowed to offer commune unity service for that sort of thing because it's not a nonprofit. But nothing to see here, people, Look, the Democrat committees of his districts stand behind him, stand with him, ten toes down, and all of that, and he is standing on his record, and that is quite the record to stand on, no matter how many toes one may have. You know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life, and our stories are told through images and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video, started in nineteen ninety seven and Mint Hill, North Carolina. 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Yeah, that's essentially what he was saying. It is like, you know, it's just this war and that is sob Johnson. That's the excuse that we keep hearing from these Democrats because everything has been catastrophised. There is no limiting principle, and they won't even now call on this guy to step aside because they can't because the lust for power is too great. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to dpetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.