Vetoes, towing, Cooper's ex, and a DMV audit (08-05-2025--Hour1)

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So a couple of pieces you've got at long Leaf Politics, and I gotta say the first one here that I'm going to ask you about is the is your call to give North Carolina governors a line item veto? And this is an issue that I really have never cared really much about I don't think. I just like, if I lived in a state I think that had the line item veto, I would just adapt, you know, to whatever political realities are in place. But because North Carolina does not allow the governor to do a line item veto, I've never really thought about it, and there's never been, as far as I can recall, a serious push to do it. So why are you suggesting that this occur given that you've got a Republican super majority in the Senate, Republican majority in the House, and a Democrat in the governor's mansion. It seems like you're empowering the Democrat to try to undo Republican priorities. Yeah, that's a great question, and you're absolutely right it is. It does sound a little counterintuitive, and North Carolina has always had a weak governor, one of the weakest governors in the country, and this is one of the reasons why, you know, forty four different forty four states give the governor a line item veto, North Carolina being then one of six that does not. But I started thinking about it because I was looking at all of Governor Josh Stein's vetos. You know, he vetoed fourteen different bills. Last week was the big veto override week. I'm sure that you guys talked a whole lot about that. Yeah, And I was looking as I was looking as the vetos. I was looking at House Bill ninety six, which was a bill that passed overwhelmingly. I was supposed to give property owners the ability to get squatters out of their property more easily. But then at the very end of the bill, one of the chambers in the General Assembly tacked on a bit about pet stores and said that cities in North Carolina can't regulate pet stores. Now, I'm not fully at the speed on pet stores. I didn't take the time to dive into whether that's a good idea or not. But what's clear is that it's not related to the bulk of the bill, and that's why Governor Stein vetoed it. I don't know if he took the time to see whether that was good policy or not, but basically he saw that and vetoed the entire bill. Well, I can say I will say I'm going to go out on a limb here because if I recall correctly, the pet store issue is about and you mentioned the puppy, it's the puppy mill issue. And remember Pat McCrory when he got into office. I think his wife Ann tried to get some legislation to ban puppy mills, and there was like this massive pushback from legislators in like the more rural parts of the state. And so maybe this was this was a way to get at the protection of the puppy mills, and that's why Stein didn't want to do it, because he wanted to eliminate puppy mills. Does that make sense, Maybe, yeah, it makes sense. I'm not really one hundred percent sure, But anyway, I mean the point I'm trying to make here, and I'll get to the point quicker. I know this is radio with precious airtime. You know what Stein could have done if you had the line on in Vito has just crossed that out and get the rest of the bill into law, and you know, property owners would get a good tool that they should probably have to get squatters out of their property. I just think that if the governor had a line item veto, we could have more honest conversations about some of these more controversial issues, and it would eliminate a lot of the gainsmanship there is on cramming a bunch of unrelated stuff together, and you know, giving the governor a poison to you know, you better pass, you know, you better sign this bill or we're going to say you're against X, Y or Z. We'd be able to have more honest conversations around veto's. I think, do you think we would have honest conversations around standalone bills though, because like I don't think we have honest conversations at all on any legislation really any more. Yeah, well, that's very true. I think this would help. I think it would be a good a good step, and I think, honestly, you know it, it helps Democrats and it helps Republicans about equally. I don't see this as as benefiting one side over the other. And you also you make the case that this would benefit Republicans in the long term electorally. I think so. And also, you know, I try to take the long view. I mean, I think that the General Assembly and a lot of what they do around divvying up power is pretty short sighted and kind of assumes that North Carolina will never have a popular Republican governor. And I think that's uh, I think that's short sided. I think that we need we should set things up so that when we have a good Republican governor, that they're able to do what's best for the state. All right, let's move on to another class that can servative position price caps, and this regards limitations on towing companies, which there have been a ton of stories out of the Charlotte area. I know, you know that of uh, these predatory towing companies, and so you make the case though that this isn't really a free market transaction. So why is it not a free market transaction? Yeah, exactly. And you know, I'm not overly sympathetic to people who get their their cars toad. I mean, I feel like in most cases people who got towed were doing something wrong and you know, have to live with the consequences. All that said, Basically, how it works is if your car gets towed, you have to pay whatever fee that the towing company says you have to pay, or else you don't get your car back. I mean that I believe in competition, I believe in the free market. But customers here quote unquote customers have no say in what company tows their car. They have you know, they're not able to shop around. You know, basically they're at the whims of whichever towing company is in business over there. And you know, merchants don't really have much incentive to to price shop to do what's quote unquote best for their customers either. They don't see them as their customers. They see them as people who are taking spots from their customers. Probably exactly yeah, that's exactly right. But this is a classic case. You know, I'm not a libertarian. I don't believe I do believe that the government has a role in society, and I just feel like limiting price cap, you know, putting a price cap on towing is a legitimate use of government here. Right, So you make the argument libertarianism resists all intervention on principle conservatism knows when to step in to preserve order, fairness, and trust in the system. And there was a bill, right this House, Bill one ninety nine, and it would create some sort of a commission. And so you're okay with that idea. I am. You know, when I see the word commission or hear a proposal for a new commission, I immediately roll my eyes and think it's a dumb idea. But in this case, I actually think it could work. And you know, one of the big lobbyists, you know, Big Big Towing in North Carolina, is in favor of this kind of bill, and I think it makes a lot of sense. We call it Big Lick. That's the Yeah, it wasn't that the Oh no, that was lizard Lick Towing. But Big Lick is a place actually near Oakboro, North Carolina. But yeah, I thought lizard Lick was the towing. Was the reality show with those friends that would run around and tow people in central North Carolina. Oh that's right, Yeah, lizard Lick towing. That was it. Crazy show. I feel probably more scripted than not, but what do I know? All right, well they all are, yeah, exactly, exactly all right. Andrew Dunn, thanks for joining us today. You could read his work at longleafpol dot com Longleaf Politics, and he's also a contributing columnist over at the Charlotte Observer. Thanks Andrew, we'll talk to you next week. Thank you. Hi buddy. All right, if you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, and you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app, and it's a website, and it combines news from around the world in one place so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, dot news slash pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. I started using ground News a few months ago and more recently chose to work with them as an affiliate because it lets me see clearly how stories get covered and by whom. 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But in this case, they have a story, an exclusive about my good friend Ray Roy Cooper, and it kind of ties into something I got in an email or a text I forget last week or so, when we were talking about Roy Cooper's entrance into the US Senate race, and the person who messaged me said that there I think he said their cousin or something had dated Roy Cooper and then he just dropped her. And she was like really into politics and whatever. But then he and so he but she didn't want kids and apparently he did, and so then he dropped her and got married to somebody else. So now like this is why I'm not sure if this story is true, but they've talked to a woman. The UK Daily Mail has talked to a woman named George Anne Rice, who purports to be his college sweetheart and says they were married. I was not aware Roy Cooper was ever married before. So here's what the UK Daily Mail says. The revelation may come as a surprise for a squeaky clean leader once described by left leaning politics magazine The New Republic as the living breathing antonym of controversy at the opposite. Before his marriage to current wife Kristen sixty nine, Cooper was wed to his college sweetheart, Georgie Anne Rice, now sixty five, but Rice says he ditched her for a career in politics without warning. Quote. He was my orientation counselor when I was a freshman and started at UNC Chapel Hill. We dated starting my sophomore year of college, and then we got married two weeks after I graduated from college. In nineteen eighty one, former North Carolina governor and Senate candidate Roy Cooper secretly divorced his college sweetheart and began dating his second wife before she had finalized her own divorce. But things would go awry suddenly after he informed Georgie Anrice that he would be running for state representative, splitting with her secretly before moving on to his current wife, who worked as a staff attorney for the North Carolina General Assembly in the nineteen eighties. Quote. I thought everything was great until one day he came home and told me that he had signed up to run for state representative. We had not discussed it or anything. We were in our mid twenties and I wanted to start a family. I was completely flabbergasted that he would decide to run. He wouldn't even discuss it with me. He just came home and told me. I told Roy, I don't want this life. We did not discuss this. It was a pretty major life decision. Yeah. I mean, well, meet state representative back in the eighties at that time, Like, it is a big life decision. I don't want to minimize that, but it but it's not like he said I'm to run for president at that time, right, But maybe they had a discussion or something after he had filed to run and he said that he wanted to do politics or something. But see, this is what I mean this, This does not square with the message I got from the listener last week. Now. I don't know who that listener. I don't remember who they were, And they could have been telling me a story that somebody told them, and so I don't know if that was true either. In this case, we have somebody on the record with a name giving an interview. So as the young attorney, Cooper ran his campaign for a state House seat in Raleigh in nineteen eighty five and nineteen eighty six. He and Georgian secretly split. She says, quote, I took a promotion and moved to Greenville, North Carolina. I still came back and went to campaign events for him, but he did not want anybody to know. But the day he won the election, I told him, if you lose, then we can talk about our marriage. But if you win, I did not sign up for this. Well, he won, and he's been in politics ever since. When he first ran for governor, he called me and said, if somebody contacts you, please don't say anything negative, which of course is hilarious because nobody ever contacted her. Right, North Carolina Press did nothing to track this story down. And it's not like I'm holding the North Carolina political press and the veterans of the Raleigh Press Corps to some unimaginably high standard. Here Roy went to UNC Chapel Hill, and about I don't know, ninety eight percent of the people covering state politics, and in that world, they all went to UNC Chapel Hill too. Right, the UNC journalism school cranks out a ton of journalism majors. You might even say it's an overproduction of these diplomas. And there were never any rumblings, never any discussions, nothing ever about Roy Cooper divorcing his first wife. They just left it alone. I guess it was the eighties, he was a Democrat, it was a different time. You know, we just don't ask about that sort of thing. But obviously people had to have known that he had that Kristen is his second wife. I had never thought to look into it. And maybe I'm just as guilty as everybody else, but I mean, I just find it kind of surprising that nobody ever mentioned anything about any of this, like a time well yeah, I don't know, know, like it never comes up in any bio pieces about him, nothing. She says. I don't wish anything bad on Roy, but my friends think it's funny that it's never mentioned that he was married before. I do not know her. I'm not her friend, but I do too. I've been covering North Carolina politics for twenty five years. I've never heard that he was married before, let alone any of these details. After they split, she took a promotion and moved to Greenville, but continued attending his campaign events. As I mentioned, his estranged wife then told him that if he lost, they could work on their marriage, but since he won, she felt she hadn't signed up for a life overshadowed by his political career. She said, I have a lot of people texting me when his name was mentioned for vice president last year, going quote, do you think he's ever going to acknowledge that y'all were married for over five years? Well, if he were tapped for vice president, I suspect people would have started asking that question. Is what this is? What I mentioned last week or a week and a half ago when Roy Cooper, my good friend Ray, when he announced that he was going to run for US Senate, I said, he has not had to face the kind of scrutiny and media barrage that he's going to now face. And so everybody points to Roy Cooper's never lost a state wide race. He's never lost an election, right, Yeah, those were different types of campaigns, Those are different level races. This is a much bigger deal, right. There is more on the line than just representing the people of North Carolina in the US Senate. It is the direction of the country, right, crafting foreign policy. So it is more of a national stage. And our results because we're a purple state, right, our results matter to the rest of the country. And so now you're going to get the kind of examination that Roy Cooper has heretofore avoided. And this story, if true, is a perfect example of what I was saying. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. 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Call or text eight two eight three six seven seventy sixty eight or check out all there is to offer at Cabins of Ashville dot com and make memories that'll last a lifetime. Joseph says, regarding the topic of the the line item veto, why should we give the governor a line item veto? When goofball North Carolina voters keep electing the likes of our good friend Ray and little Roy Josh Stein. I call him Ray two D two. Imagine what a disaster this state would be if we had a strong governor position. That's what I mean. Like I the line ONEm veto wasn't any It was never anything that I ever considered. Haven't thought about it. It doesn't exist at the national level. I've not covered state politics where it's allowed, so it's just not anything I ever considered. So when I saw this, I was like, huh, yeah, I can see this. I can see I could see the pros and cons It's like Thomas Sole says, there are no solutions, there are only trade offs. Here's a seven oh four number. Here's an idea on the towing issue. Let towing companies charge whatever they want on the condition that they invoice the company that they contracted with, and that company collects from the person that got towed. So the toee has no contract with the tower. I don't know that would that would make it quite dangerous, I suspect for the business that had the people towed, right. I mean, I do think it should only be fair that you put up a sign in your parking lot that says, like, here's the cost of the towing, because like this predatory towing issue, like it is a real issue. You got companies out there that I remember, they would line up in right outside of the Government Center and at four pm, I'm sharp, there's like a dozen of these tow trucks and they would just haul everybody away. Indeed, I got the WBT News vehicle towed because the Transportation committee that I was covering went long. I went out there at like three or four h five rather and Carr was gone. Andy says am I surprised he was married before. No, I am more surprised that he was married to a woman. Toy Okay, that's not that's not Allan says, I can't wait until Cooper's wife is exposed nationally for flipping off a little kid back in twenty nineteen. Neither one has any class whatsoever. Yeah, I don't know. And reading through some of the details in this article too, it it like she was It seems like she was legally separated from her husband, who was apparently in the military. They were separated, had been separated for like two years. They ended up finalizing their divorce in nineteen ninety one. But according to there was a story done in the News and Observer in nineteen eighty nine and it said that she met she was an attorney in the General Assembly staff and she met Roy when he was in leadership. So like there's kind of an employer employee relationship thing going on there. And they were married after the divorce was finalized, but she was separated, so and her ex husband only got like fourteen days annually of visitation and like that's that indicates something was going on there, and like that's all personal stuff, and like, I don't it doesn't have any impact on his ability to govern. But if like, that's just what I'm reading from the story. So I don't know if this is a huge scandal or not. It's just huh. I was not aware of that, and obviously his first wife. I think the more important point was that he just went and filed to run for election and never talked to her about it. That's kind of crummy. All right. Let me get to the DMV here, so I'll catch you later. No, I'm kidding. The state auditor Dave Bullock released the long awaited audit of the North Carolina DMV yesterday. He equated it to Hurricane Helene. With the release of his office's long awaited audit. Teresa Opeka at Carolina Journal dot Com quotes him thusly, we have seen, for example, the response that our legislature and our citizens have given to western North Carolina for Hurricane Helene. When we have a disaster and the DMV is, oh, oh sorry. When we have a disaster and the DMV is at that level of emergency in the state of North Carolina, our DMV affects the economy. It affects people having to take off work unnecessarily. I had to do that it takes our students out of the classroom. This has to be fixed, and it has to be a top priority that includes DMV, the North Carolina Dot and the Governor's office. The headline, according to Bullock, is no, hang on a second, where did my well, I don't have Oh there it is. I was looking for the clip here. Clip number one should be the top of the list, but it was not. He says, the lack of metrics is the headline here. One thing to note as an overall issue that our audit found, and that is a lack of detailed and measurably relevant metrics at the DMV. That really should be a headline across the state of North Carolina. As we've been I've been in office now seven months. We started this audit six months ago, so this is a six month work product. We started the first of February with this. You know, we need measurable data so that managers can know what they're doing right and what they're doing wrong, and so they can look at it and see it exactly what needs to be done to move to use the sports analogies ball down the field and you know private business uses metrics in a day in this day of data analytics and the use of high speed computers, the state of North Carolina's got to get on board with data analytics and metrics across the state. So he says also in their audit that they found the average customer service visit exceeds one hour and fifteen minutes. That is the average visit. Now, I want to note here that this is DMV data based on when individuals actually check in the license office, right. This doesn't include how long you have to wait outside if you're there for a show up. We also found that thirteen point eight percent of customer visits exceeded two and a half hours in the year twenty twenty five, which is a seventy nine percent increase statewide. That's insane. So the one hour and fifteen teen minute average customer service visit only starts when you check in. You can wait outside. And I have seen the lines. I've waited in some of these lines over the last few years because we moved so I had to get my license updated. Christy had to get her license updated. So like waiting in the line and trying to make appointments, and we've gotten we've had a lot of appointments and a lot of visits to DMVs over the last three or four years. And that one hour fifteen minute average waytime is only after you check in. 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The North Carolina auditor out with the audit of the North Carolina DMV went over some of the customer service declining performance findings. Next up, he talked about employees struggling with workload and burnout. Forty three percent express negative views of prior li leadership support. Employee cited low salary, burnout, security concerns, lack of support, and inadequate training. Average salaries are below fifty thousand dollars for examiners in both rural and urban areas. Dave Bullock, the Auditor, recommended market based pay for licensed examiners based on cost of living in the different areas of the state. The DMV has to have more employees in its office, and those vacant positions need to be filled. You know, one of the things we did in the State Orders Office we hired a we redesigned an administrative position to be a full time recruiter, and I think that's a great idea for d and V as well. We want to make sure we have the best and brightest working in the State Auditor's Office, and we want somebody full time recruiting folks to come work for the state. Specifically, however, we identified twelve service areas where recruitment and retention efforts should be focused for maximum impact. So he pointed out, the state's population has grown by twenty nine percent by two point five million people over the last twenty years, but driver license examiner positions have only increased by fifty two positions, or ten percent. So population up like thirty percent, but the positions of examiners only up ten percent. He says, only five hundred and five of the seven hundred and ten examiner positions are filled, so that it's one hundred and sixty vacancies, which means you can't get your road tests done. And he pointed to one most the most egregious example is in Harnett County, one examiner serving over fifty six thousand residents. The findings in the performance audit point towards a dysfunctional relationship between DMV and the DOT. He says, this is a major, if not the major issue. This is a governance structure issue that adds too much bureaucratic red tape to the equation. There are four systematic challenges stemming from the DMV's governance structure as a division of DOT. And let me stop here and say I am aware, and I certainly respect Commissioner Time and Setia Hopkins disagreement with this recommendation. Actually, if you look at their response, they agree with every single recommendation we make except this one. And I certainly understand and respect that. But the current structure limits the strategic input of the DMV of the forty five performance milestones and the DOT strategic plan for twenty twenty three to twenty five. Only two of the forty five directly pertain to DMV operations. They have restricted budgetary autonomy. DMV relies on DOT to submit budget requests, but only thirty one percent of DMV staffing requests were included in dot's budget requests. Insufficient performance data. DOT left out DMV customer service satisfaction data in its performance for work. Exclusion from key process modernization initiatives. DMV was excluded from planning and procurement phases of improvement efforts led by the DOT. Again, it's not personality base and I'm fully aware that Secretary Hopkins is new to the job over the last six months and Commissioner Time is new to the job. But this is This has been a legacy issue at the DMV between the d and V and the DOT. Yeah, this has been going on for a long time. North Carolina DOT is in charge of the North Carolina d MV and so DMV has to go through DOT for its funding and for and to be included in its you know, long term planning and oh please, SI, can I have some more positions? Well? DT is also doing what roads right train stuff, shipping stuff like that. DOT has got this massive footprint and it seems like they don't really pay a whole lot of attention to the Division of Motor Vehicles. And so that's why the auditor is recommending that the DMV be set up as an autonomous agency or authority with direct control over its own budget, its own planning, its own operations. And he pointed out on some of the funding levels that they like DMV contributes. Yeah, generates thirty percent of all DOT overall revenue, so a third of all the DOT funds come from the Motor Vehicle's Division. But what do they spend on DMV two point eight percent of their expenditures, Like this is a cash cow for the Department of Transportation, and they don't fund this cash cow to the service level that it needs. This is why people say, oh, it's the legislature or whatever. Look, legislature has already moved a bill sitting on the Governor's desk right to give more money, hire more positions for DMV. To be sure, the legislature has got fingerprints on this mess too. But DOT has been raking in the money from DMV and not allocating the money back down to this cash cow final clip here, he recommended incentives for more online transactions. Right now, it costs more money to actually do stuff online, which is absurd. Pop up locations in regional locations, in empty big box stores, just do a pop up, be there for two weeks or something, right, and then offer a sort of like an easy pass lane, a premier service, so you get faster check ins, but you pay more money for the accelerated service. Like, oh, but what about the poor, Well, they won't be having to now compete with the people who pay. Right, people who pay will now clear out of the line, and your line should move faster too. That's the idea. We also have talked with commissioners time and I will tell you that the D and D is working really hard to authorize third party testers to administer the skills test. We found that, for example, in South Carolina, look, there is a complete regulatory and licensing scheme for folks that train drivers on how to drive. Whether it's at the public schools or whether if you're out of private school. There's no reason why those individuals who spend several hours minimum of six hours with those individuals in the car can't certify that they've actually passed the driver's test. We found, for example, that an examiner can process four to five renewals or real IDs in an hour, but that road test for the sixteen year old typically takes a minimum of thirty five minutes, and for a commercial driver's driver it takes a minimum of forty five minutes. So eliminating that thirty five minute timeframe and that forty five minute timeframe are really actionable steps. And by the way, the DMV can do that without statutory change. Okay, so they can do that. If you look, I did this. I had a sign up for a course, I got to drive this guy's car. He trained me and then went to take the test up in New York and pass the test. So let those third party training people be certified to give the tests too. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, So if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Again. Thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.