Using fear to suppress opposition (09-17-2025--Hour2)

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And so that's enough proof in order to you know, throw a bunch of floaters in the punch bowl. Sorry, I know it's still lunch hour here anyway, And then he also mocked Donald Trump's response to the death. He brought up the matter during his monologue and claimed right wing critics were hitting new lows trying to frame the suspect as someone who wasn't maga. Quote, we hit some new lows over the weekend with the Maga gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. Right, So this is indicative. It's illustrative how media and a lot of people on the political left react to these situations. By the way, political right does this too. Whenever something like this happens, like I see it, I see people like trying to, you know, construct sort of a pre story to get some information out there that this is who I think it could be, you know. And I also see people, oh God, I hope it's not one of ours. Right, But when you see a victim that is a high profile political activist like Charlie Kirk was the immediate guess is he was murdered for his politics. He was murdered because he is a high profile conservative Christian. That was the first inclination from for a lot of people on the right, and they spoke it. I spoke it. That is the most obvious thing. When you hear the hoof beats, think horses, not zebras. That's not to say I know, that's not to say that it wouldn't be somebody else. But as it turns out, our instinct was correct, and I suspect there are a lot of people on the left, particularly not the radical left, but more left of center liberal types, moderate types, if you will. I think there are a lot of people that want to believe that it wasn't somebody from quote their side, and so they get these tidbits of information, they get it from an authority, if you can call them that, like Jimmy Kimmel, and oh, thank goodness, I'm going to latch onto that. So that becomes the narrative, It calcifies, and then people believe it for years later, much like they believe that Hillary Clinton only lost the election because the Russians stole it. Last number I saw on that was like sixty percent of Democrats still believe that the Russians hacked the election and stole it for Donald Trump. So the left does have its own conspiracy theories too, But there's also I was thinking about this today after watching this interview that independent journalist Andy No did with Winston Marshall on his podcast released yesterday, and I'm starting to wonder, are a lot of Democrats scared not of the right. We didn't burn down cities when Charlie Kirk was murdered, We didn't behave like y'all behaved after George Floyd was killed. But I started wondering, is it possible that a lot of these people left of center, more moderate Democrat elected officials, whatever, that they're actually afraid of the radical leftists in their base because they see what they're doing. Obviously you can see what they're doing, especially in this case, and is that the reason why they don't want to be critical of this menace that is rising? And it is rising, Okay, it is rising. The trend line on this is up and up dramatically within the last five years. Andy No has been tracking and reporting on this radical left wing movement for gosh, going back to twenty fifteen or so. But this is my concern, is that they're too afraid to speak up, which, by the way, is exactly the point of this kind of an assassination. It wasn't just to silence Charlie Kirk. It's also to silence everybody that agrees with Charlie Kirk, to make them afraid. And you don't have to believe me on that. Here is Stephen Bonnell, who is known online as Destiny. This guy was on Piers Morgan Uncensored the other day along with Jack potsobiic. I think is how he pronounces the last name there who is a friend of Charlie Kirk's. And this I don't use these terms, I don't talk in this way, but this guy, like you watch this performance of this guy, Steven Bonell aka Destiny. He comes across as just flat out demonic. He's mocking Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk's wife, his widow, Jack pasobiec his friend mocking him. And he says at one point in the interview, and it's a panel discussion. And to her credit, Anaksperian, one of the founders of The Young Turks, a left wing YouTube show, she tore into him. She had a morally I think, objectively honest but also good response to the murder. She was horrified by it, and she doesn't form her opinions based on anybody else or based on what Donald Trump thinks or whatever. Because Destiny was saying, well, I'll condemn it when Donald Trump says we should have peace and all this like making his own speech and actions contingent on what Donald Trump does. Why so he can avoid having to condemn the thing because he doesn't want to condemn it. Because if you look at his quotes in social media and on his stream channel, he doesn't condemn it. He advocates it. He said during this paneled scream fest, Piers Morgan has allowed that show to just become I think James Lindsay called it the Jerry Springer of YouTube. But he says, quote, if you wanted Charlie Kirk to be alive, donald Trump shouldn't have been president for the second term. What is he saying there? That Kirk deserved it, as do all Trump supporters. That's what he's saying. If you want to be alive, then don't vote for the person I hate. That is an implicit threat to murder. Piers Morgan ripped him. The other guests ripped him for this, and he would not budge off of this, off of this position a few weeks before, Destiny told CNN that he hated Turning Point USA's founder Charlie Kirk and called him a Satan spawn. He doubled down on his vitriol for the Kirk family Monday, when he mocked Erica Kirk and accused Turning Point USA and Republicans of weaponizing a widow's grief to try to do recruitment for the political party. In a stream shortly after Kirk's assassination, Destiny declared, quote, you need conservatives to be afraid of getting killed when they go to events, so they look to their leadership to turn down the temperature. You need conservatives to be afraid of being murdered, and that's going to prompt their leadership to quote turn down the temperature. So I'm going to threaten you with murder if you don't disavow murder. He says. Right now, they conservatives don't feel like there's any fear, so he wants there to be fear. And then he said on another stream, he says, I have moved full on to the political violence level, or the real violence level when it comes to conservative people. He then posted yesterday that he had been he had been taken down off of I think it was Twitch, the streaming platform, but then people pointed out that he had actually been taken off of Twitch two years ago. He's still on YouTube. As I understand it, reject the evil it destroys. So when I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, and before he died, my mom and my dad took care of him as he got worse. Forty years ago, there were no treatments and not much support for caregivers and family. But things are different today because of the work of so many people, including the Alzheimer's Association of Western Carolina. It's a great organization with awesome people with huge hearts. I've been a supporter for twenty five years. This cause means a lot to me. 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Just gonna put this out there too before I get to this audio from Andy No talking with Winston Marshall. In every other issue besides the violence of Antifa. In every other issue, the left argues that fear and intimidation works every other one, but when it comes to the actions of Antipha, it's like, oh no, no, that's not intimidation. When you hear guys like this idiot Destiny, when he says the stuff that he says, saying that you Charlie Kirk died because of the way you voted, and if you keep voting for Republicans, we're going to keep killing you and your friends. Basically, that's intimidation, that's terroristic threats. But he walks the line, so he's below the color of law. But the implication is quite clear. It's fear and intimidation. That's what ANTIFA does. That's why they're defacing all of the memorials. There was another one in UNC Wilmington. I saw another one somewhere else. There was the rock at arderie Kel, Right, that's what they're engaging in. It's intimidation, it's shut uppery. So through that lens, here's Andy No with Winston Marshall. And by the way, Winston Marshall former banjo player for Mumford and Sons. Years ago he read a book by Andy No and he tweeted it out and said interesting or this really makes me think, or some interesting concepts in here, something like that, and for that he was canceled and kicked out of the band. Andy No sat for this interview and I think they've talked before, but he makes the argument that there is a kind of asymmetrical warfare going on right now. We're not a hot war, obviously not a hot civil war, but one side is by a large margin willing to use the buying means necessary tactics. Obviously, not fifty percent. Of the those pulled are actually going to go out and kill somebody for a political reason. But the support is actually, really, really support important to the radicalization of a society. Actually it's extremely important, which is why the last really work as a machine to make sure that that truths that are inconvenient to them about political violence on the left is suppressed, that those who do reporting about it are bullied at the very least, and or a targeted for violence worse, or a deplatform somehow. Their project is to mainstream support for the use of violence so that their radicals can go out and do it with impunity. And they've had a lot of success in that. You know, when this fifty percent figure you just reference from that great study, how it looks on the ground is then you can have places out throughout Portland again an environment where ninety percent, more than ninety percent of the far violent insurrectionists in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, how their cases immediately dropped, okay, dismissed by the prosecutor himself a partisan at that time. In an ideologue someone last he was. Talking about a poll that and we've talked about this, the National Contagion Research Institute, that showed like fifty percent of people who identify as liberal or very liberal that they are at least somewhat supportive of political violence. And what he's talking about is the permission structure, Like this is part of the framework that you have to have this high level of support. So you then have the ability if you are in the radical wing and you are interested in committing the violence, then you've got cover because you've got the support. Right, you can like Robert Rudolph, you can Eric Robert Rudolf, the abortion clinic bomber, and the Olympic bomber. How he was able to stay on the run for so long because people in the community supported him and what he had done. Right, So you rely on that. It gives you the impunity to then go and commit the acts of violence. And then here's a quick clip of him explaining sort of the anti Funck clause. To intimidate one the local government and also show their might and try to intimidate the federal government that our violence is not confined to this one small area of downtown. We can take it elsewhere, you know, and we can cow the local authorities, all of them, the governor, cow the governor, make police the police department afraid to show up, which they did, and get popular support for it. That is part of the insurrection, and I used at that time in my reporting. I didn't use the word insurrection to describe it since have because there was an anti government agenda. Of course, how the press to this day reports on that time of violence is that these were racial justice protests. Right insurrection. Storming of the capitol not insurrection. Laying siege to federal properties for months, almost a year, every single day not insurrectionist, even though they're calling for the deconstruction of the government itself and the fear putting fear and intimidation into government officials to then give them the impunity to commit more violence when they want to. Game on Week one starts now, and every touchdown brings you closer to a payout with Draft Kings sports book and official sports betting partner of the NFL. This isn't just football, it's first touchdown fireworks anytime TV rushes live bets that ride every momentum shift. At DraftKings, every play is your next shot to win. Will the Panthers win? Will we even get a touchdown? New customers bet just five dollars and get three hundred dollars in bonus bets instantly, plus get over two hundred dollars off NFL Sunday ticket from YouTube and YouTube TV. So your season starts now. 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Digital games and commercial use excluded. Restrictions apply additional NFL Sunday Ticket terms or at YouTube dot com slash Go Slash NFL Sunday Tickets Slash Terms, Limited time offer. Independent journalist Andy No appeared on the Winston Marshall podcast, the YouTube show Andy Talk. They talked at length about ANTIFA, which has its fingerprints all over the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and he describes in this clip. He describes the tactics here. Here's another reason why I say it's a symmetrical warfare. I think a significant portion of the left understands that violence works. They want prosecutors to be afraid to prosecute, they want governors to be afraid to send in the National Guard, and they want jurors who are serving on trials also to know that if there isn't a conviction of somebody they want convictor that there will be mass violence. I think the American right hasn't woken up to this reality of what we're dealing with here. I kind of feel like a lot more people have woken up in the last week to this. He was also critical of media, very critical of media and how they handle violence from the left. The tactics to deflect, mislead and lies. It's done every time, like or ignore, ignore. When they can't do anything else, they ignore. I just thought of some more examples, going back to Portland. There was before the election, there were all these warnings about how the threat to democracy and elections come from the right and from MAGA, and in Portland we had ballot boxes that were Portland and a neighboring city than Cubert Washington, ballot boxes that were set on fire, quite shocking attacks on democracy. Literally hundreds of ballots were destroyed, and. A message that was left behind is that it was done for Gaza, and the story just kind of went away. Nobody's been arrested still or in September now, then the county election office where Portland is was completely smashed up the night of the election also coincided timeline wise with some of the arson attacks, and the people there left behind anarchist symbols, which maybe a hint that they were part of the Antifah network. Maybe that was completely ignored. If you talk to people in Portland, they on't even know that our own elections offices were the analysers matched up in this way. So I become I don't know what the term is, it black billed. It's like when it comes to the press, it's like, you're so I tweeted this out after Charlie was I said, I was responding to video on MSNBC where they had only contributor say that Charlie may have been shot by one of his supporters who were celebrating. I don't know if you remember that. I was so angry and thought that was so disgusting, but some emblematic of thousands of examples by now, going back to twenty sixteen, I said, but the press all the enemy of the people, and I never said that before. I didn't like that type of rhetoric when I heard it years ago from Trump, But actually I think he's right, that's right. The American press. Is really, really sick. I would say it's not as bad as in the UK. In the US you have some really really twisted sick people who work in media. Say they're like sociopathic. Actually, unfortunately, I've had personal dealings with a lot of them, and so yeah. Yeah, sociopathic. Yeah. Study show these types of personalities are attracted to particular professions, including politics, media, and lawyers. So he's not wrong there. He also warns that this threat has now metastasized. I do what I do and I get a lot of threats for it. I've had to move away from my country as a result, and that's the cost of this type of work. And the threat is mutating into something else, like the whole anti anti fund radical life movement has now really quite centered trans militancy at the forefront and within the mainstream trans rights propaganda. They explicitly call for violence on their plat cards, on their shirts and signs they say trans rights or else. And there's a rifle, there's a semi auto rifle and handguns. There's nines Like that's not even a suggestion, right, it's a threat. All these transactors propagandas are saying it's not enough you're not a true ally if you don't take direct action, and it will remain to be seen. If that was part of the motivation for what happened here with Tyler Robinson, Certainly FBI is probing that angle, right, So. I said, like the people who are associating with this militant, radical population, they tend to be on the political left. The Democrat Party has taken up, you know, trans rights and such as as one of their causes. They see the shirts, they wear the shirts. Right, We've talked about there's a politician forget that she was out in New York, I believe, and had that very shirt that he was describing. So they're aware of what the imagery is, what the iconography looks like. They hear these speeches, they hear this stuff. They're in these groups, and I'm guessing they're afraid to cross this crowd too. All right, You hear me talk a lot about incentives, right, Well, let's talk about incentive trips, the kind that companies offer employees to fire them up and reward their teams. If you own a business or you work somewhere that offers these incentive trips, first off, good for you, but also there's a custom app that's a game changer for these trips. It's called Incentive trip Kit. Private group messaging, shared photos, your itinerary, travel details all built into a single, easy to use app. There's even a traveler locator so Carl from Accounting doesn't get left behind. The best part about Incentive trip Kit it's totally private. 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I can confirm that as a former eight year resident of Ashville. In his discussion with Winston Marshall, he talked about how the media constantly attempts to craft narratives in the immediate aftermath of murders, like for example, here he talks about the shooting at the Annunciation School. So you know, complicated people killers like that, they don't conveniently fit into This is left wing violence, This is right white supremacists, far right violence, which is how these journalists and these academics and activists want to categorize at home. It's not the nature of political violence. It's involves all these other variables, and they'll chip a chip it out of the way until the cases are cut out and not included in the data, where you don't get an accurate picture at all. And the bigger point, I think is beyond the body count of which side, which to me, is really not that relevant of the matter. I think the matter what matters more is who's accepting of. This as a norm. And I think we can see the answer. To right, who is accepting of this as the norm in the wake of a shooting or a murder like this, Who is accepting of this as a norm. That's why people are reacting with the you know, cancelation campaigns against various people. And look, if you are in a position of public trust, you're a teacher, you're a doctor, you're an airline pilot, like, yeah, your celebration of an assassination is totally relevant to the society. By the way, the pressure that the media faces also just saw this pointed out online that the Guardian, both The Guardian and the Wall Street Journal that they had stories, they broke stories about the leftist influence in this shooting, and they both retracted their stories. They turned out to be true. Those stories were correct. But the pressure campaign that the left applies to media outlets works, and the right has no response to this. There is no sort of cultural muscle that the right can exert until I guess now we're seeing it happen with some of these like Clemson just fired a bunch of their staff over their response to the murder. He explains also why he does what he does despite the threats to his own personal safety here. You know, I bring out all these examples of my reporting not to do what the left is trying to do. I'm not trying to direct the attention to say, look, the violence is only only coming from one side. This is all that we should care about. No, we have a crisis in America where easy access to deadly weapons is a daily reality and people are radicalized online. You don't have. It's like, the domestic terrorists we have are not the terrorists who are going to foreign countries to train with militant on groups. There are people fifteen year olds getting radicalized online. Last year, I did reporting on a girl shooter mass shooter, which is uncommon in the state of Wisconsin. She was radicalized on discord, had a deep fascination with school shooters and mass killers. Her family had no idea. Her dad was a church going man Christian. He just thought his little girl was playing games and doing homework on her laptop and listening to music and says she was consuming all this and she's not the only one. It's like, it's just this, so many like her. And then we have now introducing in that type of space the death cult propaganda that is political and celebrated. And cheered on, and that's the problem and maybe this administration will try to root that out. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support. And this part of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to dpetecleanershow dot com. 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