Trump offers to pay aliens to self-deport (05-05-2025--Hour2)

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But before we do that, I feel it's important to revisit something that happened the other day, which was a federal judge in Texas appointed by President Trump invalidated Trump's invocation of the Alien n Act from seventeen ninety eight, which Trump was using to direct the summary deportation of Venezuelans alleged to be members of the Trende Ragua TDA. Judge Francisco Rodriguez Junior wrote, quote, the historical record renders clear that the president's invocation of the AEA through the proclamation that Trump issued exceeds the scope of the statute and is contrary to the plain ordinary meaning of the statute's terms. Judge Rodriguez determined that designations are not insulated from judicial as polit Okay, a second lend me back up. This is, by the way Andrew McCarthy at National Review. Judge Rodriguez determined, contrary to the Trump Justice Department's position that designations are not insulated from judicial as political questions, relying on the Supreme Court's World War Two era decision in lou Deca versus Watkins, the designations are not insulated from the judiciary. He agreed. And this is interesting because again this is a Trump appointed judge, but he agrees with a lot of what the Trump administration is doing and arguing. But he's saying this Alien Enemies Act cannot be used the way you're using it. He agreed with the Trump Justice Department that a state of actual war is not required. Okay, So that's been one of the contentions from the left that you know, there's no declaration of war against Trende Arragua or you know, Venezuela or whatever. So without a declaration of war, then you can't invoke the Alien Enemies Act. But the judge is agreeing with Trump, saying there doesn't have to be an actual war, but to trigger the AEA, an invasion or predatory incursion must involve an organized armed force entering the United States to engage in conduct destructive of property and human life in a specific geographical area. Right, So, a criminal gang, a criminal enterprise coming into the country is not the same as a military incursion, an invasion of troops, that kind of thing. The judge also said that while the true administration had successfully linked so it did link, and the judge agrees here it did link TDA to the ruling regime in Venezuela, the Maduro regime. However, tda's activities in the United States, even assuming they are directed by the Venezuelan regime quote, do not fall within the plain ordinary meaning of invasion or predatory incursion, even though the gang's activities may well be unambiguously harmful to society in this country. So he's saying, the terms invasion and predatory incursion means something, and they meant something at the time the law was written, and a gang coming across the border. Even if they're trying to coordinate with Maduro, that's not the same thing as was understood in the AEA. Again, this is just a report on the judge's ruling. You can disagree with it, and I'm I'm pretty sure they're going to appeal this. But Rodriguez ruled that a permanent injunction would bar the Trump administration from using the AEA proclamation against these Venezuelan aliens. He also certified a class of similarly situated Venezuelans, but he restricted. So that's one of the other things that a lot of the lawsuits that have been brought that have gotten these injunctions that you know, we've talked about for the last few months now that there's there hasn't been a certified class in the court, which takes some doing. And you need to do that though, in order to say, like all of these people are harmed in the same way, they are all part of a class of complaintants, right or complainants whatever. So he did that. The judge did certify this class of people, certified a class of similarly situated Venezuelans, but he restricted it only to the U. S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas. That was another argument that has been made that these judges in these you know, sole districts are issuing injunctions and banning things across the country and that's an abuse of their power. So this judge restricted his ruling to just his district, and I think that's the proper way to go. And then if you get other judges that you know, make different rulings, then you have a conflict in the district court level. That then rises to the US Supreme Court for them to decide because there's conflicting rulings at the lower levels. He also deemed that the class is entitled to the same protection. Rodriguez made clear that his decision was not an impediment to the Trump administrations continuing to pursue removal proceedings and enforce any final removal orders against the Venezuelans in question, so they can continue with their process to try to remove them through the process. But he's talking about the use of the proclamation and the designation of these guys under the AEA. Specifically, Andy McCarthy at National Review says the judge appeared sympathetic to the Trump administration's prioritization of immigration law enforcement. He even sided with the Trump administration on important questions about the AEA, like whether it could only be invoked under war conditions he said no, and whether TDA was a de facto arm of the Maduro regime. He said yes. McCarthy says the judge is obviously correct, however, that there has been no invasion or predatory incursion as those terms were understood when the AEA was enacted. This is an originalist approach. This is what conservatives have been asking for in their judges. Right, what did the lawmakers mean at the time when they wrote the law, and that's what he's referring to. The administration would be better off abandoning the AEA, says McCarthy, and then deporting TDA members based on the State Department's designation of TDA as a terrorist organization. That's the way to do it. These guys are TDA. TDA is a terrorist organization. You gotta go. The administration would still have to afford due process, but you could expedite the proceedings. See once again, Congress is the problem here, right. Congress can allocate money and build up immigration courts to clear out the backlog. The problem with immigration enforcement is not that federal law is too burdensome for the government. It is that the government went way too long failing to enforce the law, and Congress has not provided sufficient resources to deal with the backlaw, and now we have crisis levels. That's the problem. 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The proclamation triggered a flurry of litigation as the administration tried to ship migrants it claimed were gang members to a notorious prison in l Salvador. Of course, Rodriguez' ruling is significant because it is the first formal, permanent injunction against the administration using the AEA and contends the President is misusing the law. This is a piece over at the Associated Press, The judge wrote, quote, the proclamation that Trump issued makes no reference to and in no manner suggests that a threat exists of an organized, armed group of individuals entering the United States at the direction of Venezuela to conquer the country or assume control over a portion of the nation. Well except apartment complexes, right, I mean, there is that that slight ten t we needs a little matter of the of the taking over of an apartment complex. Right. But then again, if they didn't, you know, go after the chaz Chop when they secede it basically from America, and they claimed some area of Seattle to be their own, in Portland to be their own, then if they can do it, why can't TDA Rodriguez said, quote. Thus, the proclamations language cannot be read as describing conduct that falls within the meaning of the word invasion for purposes of the AEA. So what happens well. JD. Vance says they're going to appeal. That means it would go to the New Orleans based Fifth US Circuit Court of Appeals. That is among the most conservative appeals courts in America, and it has also ruled against what it saw as an overreach on immigration matters, both by the Obama administration and the Biden administration. In those cases, Democrats were trying to make it easier for immigrants to stay in the US just in case anybody was unclear as to what's going on here. Democrats effected an open borders policy. Democrats wanted there to be this massive, Oh, I can't call it an invasion, this influx of migrants into America. I have. Posited that it is in order to increase the head counts ahead of the twenty thirty census. They want more people in certain areas so they can maintain their numbers in the US House of Representatives, because those House seats are assigned based on population. And if you can bring a whole bunch of people in, who, by the way, can't vote legally, but you bring a bunch of people in, you do count them. And so when the census counts them all that keeps your numbers high, that allows Democrats to keep their seats. If I recall correctly, the analysis that was run from the twenty twenty census count was that there would have been a I want to say it was like a twenty seven seat majority for Republicans in the House had they not counted illegal aliens. That's the difference, and to me, that's why Democrats are employing this strategy. They don't care what it's doing to the country, what impact it has on the economy, or anything. All of those arguments a secondary the primary goal is power, is to maintain their power. Because remember with Democrats, it's never their message, it's always the messaging, right, So they don't they they just believe that their message is the correct one. Their policies are the correct ones. You just don't understand why they're the correct ones. So they have to They've got to keep their power somehow, just until they figure out the messaging. So you get convinced that the policies they're pushing are really for your benefit. You just don't understand that yet, Okay, you just you're just like a child. You don't get it. So they're going to I suspect they're going to appeal. It'll go to the Fifth Circuit, and the administration Trump administration, as it has in other cases, could turn to appellate courts. They could go all the way right to the Supreme Court with an emergency motion of some kind. Supreme Court has already weighed in once on the issue of deportations under this Act, and the Supreme Court held that migrants alleged to be gang members must be given reasonable time to contest their removal from the country. And the Court has not specified, though what length of time that actually is. They just said a reasonable amount of time. All right. This then will bring us to the pay to self deport proposal, which I kind of like. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. Whether you're celebrating an anniversary, a honeymoon, maybe you want to plan a memorable proposal, or get family and friends together for a big old reunion. 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And a message from Russ who says, I am a believer in the idea that Democrats were pumping up their census numbers to maintain seats. However, there were also all the very red districts that were flooded with immigrants under Biden. I'm having a hard time squaring the two theories. I think that. I mean, I don't know if they were sent specifically to red areas. They did go to Red states, but I feel like they were being sent to cities, and I think I think the point there is and I would have to see a list of all the cities where they were sent, but they were getting sent all over the place, right, So, And part of that may just be like you have to spread it around because you can't overload one city all at once. You got to give, you know, here's a couple hundred for you, a couple hundred for you, a couple hundred for you. You just kind of keep moving around. It may just be sort of a tactical strategy because you can't you can't just, you know, fly ten twenty thousand illegal aliens, you know, one after the other after the other, flight after flight into one city and then completely overwhelm the city in a matter of weeks, right, that would be too obvious. But if you do it with a bus load here, a plane ride there, and you spread it all around, and if you're sending them into the cities versus rural communities, where you know, you would be more cognizant of an overwhelming number of people coming in in a short period of time versus a city. But if they were getting sent to blue cities in red states, I think that squares with the strategy of juicing the census count. But I don't know, Like that's the thing we like, it's speculation because there isn't any other explanation that we can come up with that makes any kind of logical sense. I guess maybe you hate the country, right, like you hate America or something, and so that's why you're doing it. Because I don't know, I have like it's one of these things. This is one of these issues where fifteen years ago, ten years ago, not even when was Obama president through eight by two thousand and eight, twelve sixteen, Yeah, so not even ten years ago, Obama talked tough about the border. Hillary Clinton was talking tough about the border, Chuck Schumer was talking tough about the border, and then all of a sudden everything changes. Because demographics is destiny. There was also that part of the belief that if we bring in enough people from overseas, then they'll vote for democrats, especially if Democrats can can take control and give amnesty, you know, take control of the Senate, in the House and the presidency, and then they can then solidify their permanent majority with a mass amnesty and then that's the way they hold onto power forever. Like that's another strategy, sure, because like try to think through like why would you do these things? Like how and when you do those things, when you do these policies, and then you see the human cost to that, how do you how do you square that in your own head? How are you not racked with guilt that the system that you are running, that you have built, and the ignoring of certain laws in order to facilitate the mass migration across the border, and all of the all of the atrocities that occur to the people that are making that journey along the way, the brutality of it, right, the sexual assaults, the physical assaults, the kidnappings, the holding for ransom, the murders, Like why would you why would you defend that system? Why would you participate in that system? And like I struggle to find a reason. And the only thing I hear from like you know, people who aren't shot callers, these are just sort of run of the mill lefties, you know, in your neighborhood and whatever, and they, oh, you know, nobody is a criminal and nobody is illegal, or something like we should welcome the refugee like that kind of thing. But that's not like you have a program that you can use for this, and not everybody coming across is an actual asylum seeker. They're not fleeing violence, and they're not fleeing the kind of you know, atrocities that you normally associate with seeking asylum. It was it was a ruse the Biden administration. Alejandro Mayorcis, that's what he got impeached for was creating this ruse of the asylum program where everybody just got asylum, blanket asylum in contradiction to the law. He got an impeachment charge filed against him, and then the Senate, controlled by Democrats, never did anything with it. This is why people got so fed up, and this is why you're seeing. This is the backlash. This is the they're saying, get them all out, we're done. You can't open the gates and then expect people not to note. So this is an interesting approach, and I think that there's a fellow named Jeff Blair, and I think he's exactly right in the tactic that the Trump administration is utilizing here. So first, what is the trumpet announcement that the Department of Homeland Security, according to their press release, has announced a historic opportunity for illegal aliens to receive both financial and travel assistance to facilitate travel back to their home country through the CBP home app. It's right on your phone. You can apply to go home and will pay your way home. Any illegal alien who uses the CBP Home app to self deport voluntarily will receive a stipend of one thousand dollars paid after their return to their home country has been confirmed through the app. Self deportation, they say in the statement, is a dignified way to leave the US and will allow illegal aliens to avoid being encountered by US Immigration and Customs enforcement. Even with the cost of the stipend, it is projected that the use of this app will decrease the costs of a deportation by about seventy percent. Currently, the average cost to arrest, detain, and remove an illegal alien is about seventeen thousand dollars. This is what Biden has wrought. All right, if you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. 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Russ with a follow up to his earlier message that he says, I just reminded him that earlier. Today, he says, I saw a car with two stickers on it. One said in a democracy, no one is above the law, and the second one said, no human being is illegal. Nice. That's uh, no one's above the law, nobody is illegal. Good lord. All right, let's head over to the phones and talk with Pete. Hello, Pete, Welcome to the show. Hey, thanks, Pete. Yes, sir, I think this Home Act is probably brilliant in a lot of different ways. I mean, you avoid the courts, right, you get the people to self deport. But the other thing is you may get the same people smuggled into the country for money, smuggling them not even smuggling them out, just get them out at one thousand dollars ahead plus plus transportation. Yeah. So yeah, if you can get the people to make the decision on their own, that it alleviates some of the burden. I don't know how much. I don't know how many people are going to do it, but it would alleviate some of the burden at a lower cost. Yeah, much lower. But the other thing too, is on the larger point, Pete, no matter what do you think about Trump? This administration is loaded with billionaires, and you know, billionaires don't get to be billionaires by not being real bright, you. Know, generally. Yes, yeah, so. This is this is innovative to me. I mean, you know, on the surface, you say, geez, you know, we don't want to got lee. You know, we're throwing more money at it. But like you say, it's pennies on the dollar. Yeah, compared to the running through the process, which they pegged that cost to arrest, detain and remove an illegal alien is over seventeen thousand dollars. So if you can, yeah, if you can you can pay the stipend then of one thousand dollars, then that's you're saving sixteen k per person. Well but plus you got the course, right, Well that's. I think that's what they're including the cost to arrest, detain, and remove. I think all three of those. I think that covers the whole process. Well, the delay also, right, because he's said many times loved this has just begun the works. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, all the lawsuits and such absolutely so. Yeah, so if you get people that start making this decision to go back on their own, yeah, it saves you, It saves you from the litigation, and it saves you the money. So plus, you got the cartel guys that don't you know, let's be honest, they got a financial incentive to round these folks up and get them out. I don't think you're going to see it going. Well, no, you're not going to have You're not gonna have coyotes running them back across the border, because the whole point of the app is that you self identify. You come out and say I'm here illegally. I'm going to take your stipend and go home. And then it's like, okay, take care and that's it, and your slate's clean with us. And so you're going to voluntarily go back. You don't have to, you know, trek across the desert and do all of that. Again, you can get a plane ride, so it's much safer for you to go home. Yes, sir, Yeah it is. Thank you. Yeah, Pee appreciate the call man. According to the UH the press release from the Department of Homeland Security, this has already been done, so the first use of travel assistance has already proven successful. An illegal alien that the Biden administration allowed into our country utilized this program to get a ticket for a flight from Chicago back to Honduras. Additional tickets have already been booked for this week and next week. If you don't like, if you don't want to live in fear, you don't want to you know, be separated from your your family or friends or whatever. And some you know pt or some trauma PTSD, but some traumatic ice intervention. Like in fact, our own sheriff, Gary, not my fault, McFadden, he should be promoting this program. He should be. This would prevent more arrests outside of his jail, right, he's very upset about the arrests that I did in front of his jail the other day. And so here's a good way for you to cooperate, Gary, You can promote this program. The CBP home app Self deportation is the best, safest and most cost effective way to leave the United States to avoid arrest. So you get financial travel assistance and the stipend to return to your home country. It's the safest option for law enforcement for the illegal aliens. It's a savings to US taxpayers. But here's a great insight, Jeff Blair, he writes for a National Review, and he says, I actually think this is a fine idea and they should have it ready to go from the jump. Mitt Romney would have tried something like this too, in case you don't recall the self deportation remember that line and got him in all the trouble when he was running for president. This is incentivized self deportation with a chainmailed fist lurking behind it. See. And this is why I think this can work versus what Mitt Romney may have thought of or whatever his effort would have looked like. I don't know, because the idea here is that you've shown them this is what we are going to do. Right, We're going to implement this deportation policy. We're going to come pick you up. We're not going to make any distinction. You know, we're going after the people on our lists. And if you're in a courthouse now, we don't care. We're coming in a school, We're coming in right. And that is the that's the stick, and here's the carrot. But if you had offered it at the same time, just from a strategy standpoint, right, people probably wouldn't believe that the deportations would happen. Right, So you first, your first wave is deportations, lots of you know, lots of operations. You want word to go out. Government's cracking down. They're coming to get the you know, the criminals, the violent offenders, and they're going to work their way through the whole list and all of that. And then as people recognize, oh my gosh, and you see the stories, everybody's in a state of fear and panic. Okay, here's your way home. I will pay for you to go home. Now, take this generous offer now, or you could end up down in Louisiana or maybe you end up in the notorious prison in El Salvador. Right, we've already shown you what we're this is our plan, this is what we're going to do, and at some point we're going to come across you. Our paths will cross, and when they do, you know what's coming. So you can now take this offer and avoid the stick. I don't know if this was their intent from the very beginning, but if it was, it's a pretty good strategy I think, and it can help reduce the numbers much more rapidly than if everybody has to go through the process. All right, that'll do it. For this episode. 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