Toxic empathy and illegal immigration (08-25-2025--Hour2)

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And he was on the interstate down in flaw and decided to use one of the turn the U turn lanes like you know, the for official use only that you know, emergency vehicles are supposed to use. And he decided to just hang a U turn using that lane to turn around, and in doing so, he turns the you know he turns the the rig and now he's blocking all of the interstate lanes because the trailer when you turn like that right, it's now perpendicular to the flow of traffic. And a van comes zooming down the highway and plows right into it because you don't expect a truck to do that. That's why it's illegal. And it killed all three people in the van, and they took him back to Florida. He's been charged with believe it's reckless or negligent homicide or something. There's a development though in this story that is disgusting, which is there is now a petition that has been launched on his behalf, a petition asking the governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, to be lenient on him, like to show mercy and why First off, DeSantis is not going to do that. Number one right, but number two like, why would you even do this? Why would you sign it, let alone rack up nearly three million signatures for this guy? What? What are you doing? Everything about this case, writes David strom Over at hot air dot com. Everything about this case is infuriating. Hargender seeing should never have been in America in the first place. He's an illegal alien. Number two, he should never have been issued a commercial driver's license, but he got two of them from two different states. He should never have been hired by any company to drive, yet he was. All the people who made this happen are going to get off scot free, though not seeing that guy, he's probably going to jail to prison right as he should. But the people who allowed this to happen, that enabled him, right, the people who set the policies that sing utilized to get into the country, Those who tested his English proficiency found it wanting and then gave him a CDL anyway, and the companies that have hired him over the last what seven years I think he's been in the country. He failed an English language proficiency assessment. He could only provide correct responses to two out of twelve verbal question He doesn't speak the language, and he could only identify correctly one of the four highway traffic signs. Singh has lived in the US for seven years. He hasn't learned the language, and he hasn't had to, right, That's the problem. He hasn't had to even though his job required him to be able to read signs and follow directions he hasn't had to and why because leftists keep repeating the same mantra about refugees and migrants just trying to get by. We're told that the rules don't apply to them because they are just victims. That's the sick logic that gets millions of people to rally behind MS. Thirteen and trende Arabah members illegal aliency can do no wrong because they're victims. This is what's called toxic empathy. According to David Strom, I use the term suicidal empathy, but toxic is fine too. Right, This idea and this is the core tenet of Marxism, and it just gets smuggled in in all these different scenarios, in different situations. But it is always oppressor oppressed mindset. There's always a victim. And then you just target a particular other category or class of people, whether it's the landowners, the wealthy, a racial group, whatever. And what it does is it calcifies in the brain what's called the tendency for interpersonal victimhood TIV. It is an actual psychological personality defect, tendency for interpersonal victimhood. And when you start thinking like this, and you start thinking in terms that you're the victim. And this does replicate at scale. Right, there are all sorts of damaging downstream effects of this. For one thing, like you don't sympathize with other people who are actually going through some terrible thing. Do you ever wonder why the left makes these arguments about who's going to clean your toilets if we deport all illegal aliens, who's going to clean your toilets? Who's going to raise your kids? Right, that's not that's not a sympathetic argument because you're you're you're basically saying that there's a whole class of people that that's what they should be doing. Right, That's that's not sympathetic. But they think that they're being sympathetic, but they actually are not. Yeah, this guy should not have been here, and there are people all along the way that enabled this, and now three innocent people are dead in Florida. It's the same thing like we just talked about in the last hour about crime. These are choices and Donald Trump is showing that when you make a different choice, you get different results. And the different choice is no, we're actually going to enforce our immigration law. No, we're actually going to enforce our criminal law. We're going to put more people on the streets of the District of Columbia because he can do that. I don't know if he can do it with these cities he's talking about now, sending them to Chicago and stuff, and I don't know if you I don't know if you've got that kind of authority. But then again, we're buying shares of intel, so I don't even know what we're doing anymore. With Like, I'm old enough to remember when that was considered to be socialism and that was not good, not good. Although it's not surprising to me because I recognize Donald Trump is a lifelong Democrat, so he has these instincts that tend towards that old philosophy of state ownership of things. And yeah, I'm not a fan of that. That doesn't mean I hate Donald Trump. I'm just saying if this was Joe Biden or Barack Hussein Obama, I don't think people would be cool with it. Well, I mean leftists would be cool with it. But meanwhile, quite the admission from ABC News headline, immigrant families fear Trump's deportations as children returned to school school, public school. So this is an admission right that illegal aliens do carry a cost for public benefits. Right, they are accessing taxpayer funded services and such, right, And they just you know, admit it, just acknowledge it that many of the nation's school districts are returning to the classroom with immigrant families. No, no, no, no, illegal immigrant families, illegal immigrant families. See, this is how this is what they take from you. They take the language. You control, the language, you control the debate. That's why they are dropping the word illegal. They drop the word alien. They tried undocumented, unauthorized, whatever. Now they're just saying immigrant. Now they're just lumping all immigrants together, illegal and legal. And they do it to opfuskate, to cloud the argument because then they can win that argument by playing to your suicidal empathy. All right, if you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too. And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why, Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app and it's a website, and it combines news from around the world in one place so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, dot news slash pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. 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Couple that with at least thirty five million illegals, and you can safely assume one out of every four people here should not be here. No wonder howses cost so much and you can't get into the er. This is an eight to eight number. I agree with you on the renaming of illegal aliens. What's the deal with American born jobs reports? Though? What do you mean, what's the deal with American born job? Yeah, well that's data. Whenever they put the jobs report out, they break it down foreign born and American born, And so what we have seen since Trump took office is a declining share. It's actually the people who are foreign born, their numbers have been dropping as far as employment, and American born employment is growing, which is due to deportations and also self deportations, right, which is what Mitt Romney promoted back in twenty twelve, And he said, like, if you enforce the law that's already on the books, as Trump is doing, if you enforce the law, then it makes it untenable, unappealing, unattractive for people who are here illegally to remain here, and they will self deport That's what Mitt Romney said. And oh my gosh, like the amount of people that went nuts over that like we hadn't had to have the national conversation over Mitt Romney saying people will self deport. Oh my gosh, bring out the fainting couches. But he was right, and there isn't anything wrong with that. There isn't. That's why you have law. You have these laws so as to know, disincentivize certain behaviors. Otherwise, don't have the law. If you're not going to enforce this stuff, then just take it all off the books. Why even bother having it on the books. Just repeal all of the law and just allow people to come across the border without even signing the guest book on the way in, right, like why bother? And by the way, like this is not hyperbole. This is now what we have witnessed now thanks to Donald Trump, is that you we do have half the country roughly that is advocating for open borders. They don't believe anybody should be deported. They I mean this guy, what's his name, Abrago Garcia that now they just they picked him up, he turned himself in, They picked him up. They're going to send him to Uganda because they couldn't send him to l Salvador, right, because that was where he is from, and uh, now they're going to send him to Uganda and they're like, you can't send him there, So now they're suing overall of that too. But the guy was trafficking people and this is their poster child. Which is one of the things that's always intrigued me with the left is why do they always pick the worst poster children for these types of issues. I mean, it's one thing to take the wrong side of the issue, and then it's another to find like the worst type of an offender in that system, in that structure, and then to go to bat for that person. It's like the hands up, don't shoot Michael Brown Ferguson thing, Like, really, that's the guy you chose. The guy went in and robbed the convenience store and tried to take a cops gun, Like that's the anyway. So many of the nation's school districts are now going back to the classroom, and this has gotten immigrant families fearful. According to ABC News, they quote Esmeralda Alday, former executive director of Dual Language and English as a Second Language Migrant Education for the San Antonio Independent School District, which is one heck of a title. I don't think it fits on a business card. She says. It's coming at our families from every angle. It's affecting our families from all angles, almost leaving them with no choice but to self deport. Yes, right, because the law was put on the books in order to make things not comfortable for people who are violating the law. And if you are violating the law, then you should be worried that you are going to be caught and suffer the repercussions of that, which is a one way flight back to your home country. So you can make arrangements ahead of time, Like you can make some plans now and do it on your schedule, right, Like you can make sure you get everything taken care of and then go back on your own. You could do that. Families, she says, now dread dropping their kids off at school. Some won't even leave their homes. And this got me thinking, what's thet there, Like, what's the play? Right, You're gonna what hunker down for four years and then hope jd Vance doesn't win or something like You're you're just going to ride this out. And if that's the strategy, then the play is that you want Democrats to get back into power, so they will give you the amnesty. So how is it that this population knows this? How does the illegal alien population from all over the world right, How is it that they come to believe this thing about Democrats willing to give amnesty to all of the illegal aliens? Why would they get that idea? Where did that come from? It's a brainbuster. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. Whether you're celebrating an anniversary, a honeymoon, maybe you want to plan memorable proposal, or get family and friends together for a big old reunion. Cabins of Asheville has the ideal spot for you where you can reconnect with your loved ones and the things that truly matter. 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We are leaving Washington, d C. And we had an incredible day of talking to the people that are making policy here at the White House, and it was it was it was a really great day, especially on this day where we found out that Kilmar only speak Spanish, only speak Spanish. Yeah, how long has he been in the country, like fifteen years or something? Yeah, I don't know. I mean it's kind of interesting. It's they took him back into custody just in the last hour or so, and they wouldn't say where they're taking him. And everybody's very upse everybody's upset about that. Pete. Every everybody who was at that press conference earlier this morning was very upset. And so now we don't know where he is. Right, Well, he's not going back to El Salvador, right, He's not. We know where he's not going. He's not going to l Salvador, right. So with that in mind, we had we had a we had a couple of briefings Ron Votello, who is his customs in Border Patrol. Uh, he was, he was really magnificent. I'm gonna play all this stuff tomorrow because we got out of here late because we had the South Korean president at the White House, so it tied everything up, so we weren't gonna be able to move very easily in that regard. But we so Ron Vitello and Mike Banks, who is the actual chief of the Border Patrol, and man, they are they are so happy just to not be getting attacked by by the Bidenistas and that sort of stuff. They're happy to be allowed to do their job. Pete, I don't understand. I've never thought that you should be able to do your job, especially if it's national security. Right now. Look, I started, uh started the first hour talking about this Ukrainian woman that was murdered on the Charlotte light rail line, uh, covering the immigration stuff in this hour and in both. The connection with both of these topics is what you just said there. It's like this lack of focus on your first order, your first priority, which is public safety. That's the only reason why we seed some liberty to a government. It's so we have mutual protection. And if you're if you're not going to do that, then there isn't any reason for me to be involved in this, in this social contract any longer. It's right. And I was talking when talking to Chief Banks, who he's been stationed all over the southwestern part of the United States, and he's he's one of those guys where you're saying, Okay, this guy lived it, and he lives it every day. You know, he knows what's going on. And he said, I asked him, how does this grate on you when you hear you're not you know what's going on in La, what's going on in Baltimore, what's going on in Chicago. And he says, people think that this is a race issue. This is not a racist it's a safety issue. And he said, he said, sixty percent of our people in the Border Patrol are Hispanic, right, And he says, and he said, he said something like I don't remember the exact number. He said, like thirty percent that we hire our first generation Americans or have come to the United States to become Americans. And he said, including my wife who's also a Border Patrol agent and was and was from Mexico City. And he says, and they try to tell us that we're fascists and we're rats, and he's like, nobody, No, none of these people are racists. They're just one enforcing the law. Yeah, it's one. It's it's part of the suicidal empathy in the Western societies, which is like all other countries are allowed to have borders and protect them however they see fit, except us. Right exactly. Okay, Now I want you to say this to me. Who else did you talk. To well Bred before I let you go? Who else did you talk to? Doctor Oz? Really the man behind the curtain. We had a great conversation. He loves the CMS, not not not Charlotte Mecklenburg School, but he loves the CMS and the and the and the process. You know what. He's he's got a crazy idea people. Uh oh, he wants to get older people healthy, and he's saying what they need to do is go check out with their doctors because it's the thing that they're supposed to do, so we don't end up blowing up the healthcare system because people don't go and get their cell themselves checked out. Is that that's kind of interesting. I don't know that that sounds pretty fascisty right there. I don't know. I mean, yeah, I mean this guy sounds like as big of a racist monster as the border patrol guy. No, No, he's thought, he's actually really incredible, and he's he's he's he's just mesmerizing when you talk to him. I mean, he's he's got such a passion for people being healthy and saving lives and and that sort of stuff. And then the pier there resistance Pete Judge shanein. Very cool. So we'll be playing the stuff tomorrow because I am driving, I'm speeding back, speeding but I'm driving back from the f L Way as quickly as I can because I don't want to get contaminated. But it's it was. It was a very fullsome number of hours and uh, they really gave us their best in so many ways. Uh, and so I just wanted to report back and uh, you know, just if if you've got any questions, I'll take them, Pete. But you know, proof of well, it was I did promise proof of life to your audience. So I'm glad you. Uh, I'm glad you, uh because I thought I was colonizing your show and that that's what you do. So you're the colonizer. So wait, I am curious were you Were you able to If I had known you were going to talk with doctor Oz, I would have I would have suggested this before you went to talk with him, which is, can you can he changed the acronym instead of it being CMS, can it be C M M S because that's actually the acronym. There are two m's. You know you're right about that. I start it. I think I have his card. I think I can maybe reach out. Yeah, maybe it's just like a text or something like. I don't wonder stand why everybody drops one of the m's, you know, because it's Medicare and Medicaid. Well is it? Yeah, I guess you know what it's. I think it's probably because of dogeus. Had to drop a letter you gotta drop. They would save on some printing costs, sign printing, sign manufacturing, any any of the signs you gotta do. I guess that would help. But yeah, for years they call it CMS. I've never understood why they why they drop one of the m's so opportunity, I guess. Yeah, I'd like to buy a vowel pete. Oh wait, no, no, it's consonant, hard consent anyway, it's soft consonant or anyway. Bread Winnable travel safe. I will keep the seat warm for you. Yes, you're doing a great job. Thanks guys, Thanks. Buddy, appreciate it. That's Brett Winnable. I'm keeping his seat warm. Do not, don't ask how, but he'll be back tomorrow and safe travels to him. All right. 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Right, You got to check out incentive trip Kit for your business. Visit incentive tripkit dot com because great trips deserve even better returns. That was yes, Brett Winterble. This is the Brett Winterble Show. I am not Brett Winterble. I was just talking with Brett. He's in DC meeting with muckety MUCKs pooh bahs if you will of the White House, and he will return to the airwaves tomorrow and I will go back to my noon to three slot. Let me jump over to the phones here and get Ray. Hello, Ray, Ray, how you doing? Hey? I'm well, how are you pretty good? I know your Pete. And the previous caller was Brett Winnable. But yeah, I wanted to make sure that you know, how do you know that was Brett Winnerable and not one of your callers that call in under different identity sometime and he was maybe changed his political persuasion but didn't want people to know it and call in talking for the Conservative life Unable. That's a fair question. We UH thoroughly vetted him when he called. Uh, and by we I mean Isaac. Isaac vetted him when he called. Asked him, you know the secret code words and such and he passed, so we knew it was Brett. But otherwise very good. It's a very good flag to raise. Luckily Isaac was on it. Also, we have caller ideas. I was just learned to make sure. Yes, sir, take care, Ray, I appreciate it. Here is a message from russ Uh just spitballing here, Pete. But illegal aliens may have gotten the idea that Democrats want to give them amnesty and they just need to wait it out from you know, like based off of like policies that like Los Angeles distributing debit cards to illegals who are afraid to go outside due to Trump's fascist deportations and such like. That may be that may be why they've gotten in their head that they just need to hunk her down and wait it out for about three and a half more years and then they will be allowed to come out of the shadows, as it were. Now, I saw this piece at the Charlotte Observer, and then there was another one at Enlache Latino andc dot org. They apparently both got to sit down interview with Assistant Field Office Director Maria Summers from the Immigration Customs Enforcement in Charlotte, and there was something interesting here at the. She is. I believe she is a naturalized citizen. She's originally from Mexico. To Brett's point, Yeah, she told us she is a Mexican of Mexican origin and is a naturalized citizen and that she has been working for the AGE for twenty three years. Maria Summers. Now that's reported in the En Latche Latino, NC dot Org piece by Patricia Ortiz that did not make it into the Charlotte Observer article, but I think that it probably should have because it's I think an important piece of information, particularly when you start off the piece by saying, quote, the official leading Immigration and Customs enforcement in Charlotte denied that the agency racially profiles people. That's how you started the article. So don't you think that I think it would be of note that she is of Mexican origin herself. No, she's a naturalized citizen. She's an immigrant, So that seems to be kind of relevant, particularly if you're starting off with this denial of an accusation that ICE is racially profiling people, and what evidence is there for that. Who is making these accusations. Our job is to enforce immigration law, and we do it very humanly, she said. Since President Donald Trump returned to the White House in January and launched a mass deportation campaign, ICE has been more active in Charlotte. Increasingly public arrests have led to anguish and backlash. Churches, a parent teacher association, an immigrant advocacy group, and others have accused the agency of violating people's rights and creating dysfunction. Throughout the observers and Lache Latino's hour long conversation with Somers, she frequently redirected public criticism of Ice. What does that mean? She redirected public criticism. I don't know what that means. Then they have her quote people are very defiant. End quote. That's it. Now you go to the Lache Latino piece, and she says she pointed out that in operations, people turn out to be very challenging. Quote. People don't just say here, I am please, what can I do? We don't always have cooperation, although we also have it in some cases. That's another possibility. We have our identification machines that we can use. We have, you know, different means to do it. However, everything depends on the situation and the level of cooperation of the person. Quote. The truth is that when we are making an arrest and people start running or fighting, many of them say I did nothing wrong because they think that being here illegally is not doing anything wrong, or because they were allowed to stay and be released without any action being taken against them, they think they haven't done anything wrong, and then we find them they're not very receptive or cooperative. So I'm a why guy. I like to ask why, and just like with the other question about like why are people behaving this way? Why do they think this is a good strategy? Well, why do they think that they haven't done anything wrong? What would give them that idea? This question is not some answerary question here. This is at the core of the entire issue. Yet the observer doesn't even explore it. They don't report it, they don't This isn't even in the observer story, and there's no exploration of why, because that's the first thing I would have asked her. Why do they think that there's nothing wrong? Oh, well, because they haven't. They haven't faced any ramifications for breaking the law in the first place, or they've been recruited to come and they've been told and sold a bill of goods that you can go there and you're not going to be deported. Who's spreading those messages? All right? That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, So if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to dpetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.