The "Woke Right" and psycopaths (04-23-2025--Hour2)

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Thirty one percent and thirty eight percent of respondents said it would be at least somewhat justified to murder Musk and Trump, respectively, So thirty one percent said, yeah, you could. You can assassinate Musk and thirty eight percent yes for the president. These effects were largely driven by respondents that self identified as left of center, with forty eight percent and fifty five percent, So forty eight percent justifying murdering Musk and fifty five percent Trump. These are young people left or sorry, these are left of center cohorts okay, So just the left of center has a much higher rate, a higher chunk of the left leaning people say it's okay. Property destruction forty percent stated it is at least somewhat acceptable to destroy a Tesla dealership in protest. Again, support for violence is part of a broader assassination culture underpinned by psychological and ideological factors. Regarding the psychological, you know who Jordan Peterson is. I've played clips of him. I've watched his stuff for years. I've watched so Jordan Peterson, I'll start at the beginning. He was a university professor up in Toronto, and he taught psychiatry. And he was a clinical psychiatrist, which means that he also has a practice. And he would see clients and he would deal with like some really dark personality types with serious problems and such, and what he started doing was putting his lectures up onto YouTube, just his classroom lectures. He would put them on YouTube, and I've watched many of those lectures just to you know, learn what I could from this psychiatrist. And he then made news when he refused to use the pronouns of his students who were transgender, and Canada tried to pass the law that said he had to do it, and he was like, I'm not doing that. I'm a psychiatrist and everybody in my field knows that you do not placate and indulge the fantasies of your patients. You don't do that. The only way for the patient to overcome the dysphoria is to tell them that this is not true, and then let's look at why you think it is. But about I don't know, two seconds ago, as a society, everybody decided to just throw all of that information out the window because it served some other purpose, you know, much like wearing masks to combat the respiratory virus. Right. So that's what landed him sort of in the public eye and people. He was one of the first people you can call it cancel culture or you know, opening shots in the culture war. Or whatever. But he was fighting against the Canadian government which went full authoritarian. He was fighting against the university and the Canadian government regarding the pronoun issue. And this was after the HB TOO debate down here in North Carolina. So this story blows up. I believe that people really became a more people became really aware of him when he went on the Joe Rogan podcast Joe Rogan, if you don't know, he was the former host of Fear Factor. He's a MMA fighter MC right, so he's like the guy who calls the matches and stuff. But he started doing this podcast a long time ago, like I don't know, ten years ago or something, and it was just him talking to people that he thought were interesting, and the podcast blew up. It was like it still is, like a three hour podcast and people just sit around. You know the famous images of Elon Musk smoking weed that you see on the Twitter and Facebook, the little meme you know Elon Musk like hmm, this isn't so bad, like with the arched eyebrow look that came from the Joe Rogan show. Okay, because that's what he would do. He would sit around, he would drink, he would have you know coffee, you would smoke weed and they would just have conversations for three hours in the podcast explodes and it is like the number one podcast in the world. And Jordan Peterson went on that podcast, and I think that sort of like launched him into what I think a lot of people would sort of identify as like the right wing ecosystem. Right people now became more aware of who this guy is, and Jordan Peterson has since become even more famous. He no longer is at the University of Toronto. He now he does. And I saw him when he came to Charlotte. He did a presentation in Charlotte at the time Warner Sorry Spectrum Arena. And he also wrote a book called Twelve Rules for Life, and his whole purpose has been dedicated to getting people, predominantly, as it turns out, young men, to understand the importance and the value of responsibility and that's really where you find meaning in your life. And for example, one of the rules in his book Twelve Rules for Life was before you change the world, pick up your room, which makes sense. How can you possibly order an entire globe or a society if you cannot even order this tiny little corner of the world that you have total control over. You can do what you want in this room and if you want to. He talks about, you know, the importance of that kind of order. Now. He says like, there are people who are too rigid in their order, and he has treated patients that are too far there, and one of the things he always tells them is, go get a dog. Right, people who are too ordered, too rigid, get a dog. It will introduce chaos. But on the other end of the spectrum is chaos. And you don't want to be a disordered or chaotic mind either, because then you know you're flighty. You can't commit to stuff, and you know you get overwhelmed with all of the things and you cannot be counted on. And so he is. And so that's sort of a I know, it's probably not even I have not pulled his official bio or anything like that, but he's written several books, he does lectures, he's part of the Daily Wire operation. They brought him in house. He does a podcast too, So he's now become very big as well. I and I can only speak for myself. I find him to be brilliant. I can't understand some of the stuff that he talks about without like going line by line and looking up the words he's using and researching what it is that he's talking about. He did an entire series on Exodus from the Bible. He is now I've noticed over the last I don't know two years, talks a lot more about the Biblical lessons. Like he he strips away the metaphysical, the miracles and that stuff, and he talks about the meaning of these stories and why they are still true and why they are so important to understand, and these truths that are revealed to people over the course of you know, millennia, that they have that they have value, and that is why they have persisted, and woe unto us who forget these things. And then there's another guy named James Lindsay. I have also quoted him. I have read a lot of the stuff he has written. He does a podcast as well. He he speaks in even deeper academic philosophical language that I struggle to understand some of THEFF A lot of the stuff that he does too. But this was one of the guys that started ripping down wokeism before anybody else. He, along with Helen Pluckrose and Peter Bargosian. They wrote a series of fake academic papers essentially mocking wokeism, and then got them published in these supposedly peer reviewed academic journals in the soft sciences, so like, you know, soft sciences, like not chemistry, not biology, stuff like you know, women's hut, not literature. I keep thinking of women's lit. But it's not that, but like women's studies, gender studies, queer studies, like that kind of stuff in these supposedly peer reviewed publications that were doing you know, serious academic research, and they submitted these stories, these fake papers, and got them published in order to prove that it's a fraud. This stuff is all fraudulent. As long as you come to a conclusion that the publishers want to see replicated or want to see published, that's it. That's all that matters. And after that he lost his position as a professor. He was a math teacher, he is a math professor. And it finally was exposed and he has now launched his whole career. He's been battling wocism and all of this, which brings us to the woke right, because wokism is understood to be of the left right, and what he identified about two years ago was this bubbling up of the similar tactics and psychology among people on the right, and it has now grown into darn near all out battle inside the right wing ecosystem podcasts and blogs and stuff. And yesterday Jordan Peterson went back onto the Joe Rogan podcast. I watched it, and Peterson addresses some of this woke rite stuff on that podcast. I'll let you hear a couple of the highlights. All right, if you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too. And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. 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No, it probably wouldn't sound like that. They got the inflection down better. The woke right refers to a faction within conservative circles that adopts identity politics and social justice rhetoric similar to the woke left, often framing issues around race, gender, and depression. From a right wing perspective, This movement has emerged as a response to what they perceive as the excesses of leftist identity politics, creating a parallel discourse that emphasizes grievances of white, Christian and male identities. Right, so this is a reaction to woke left. Now. Some people argue that some of these people that are quote woke right, that this is essentially designed to gut the rise of populism, the rise of conservatism. In other words, it's sort of a you know, an insider oppositional group, all right. So, and I'm just trying to lay the groundwork here because like this term woke right, there's debate about whether or not this is the appropriate term or not. Some people like it, some people hate it. Even people who see it and say they are trying to fight against it, they don't like the term. But whatever. James Lindsay, basically, I think came up with this term because I've been watching him on Twitter for the last year or so, and he has been I've seen him talk about like what should this thing be called? Now? Jordan Peterson, who I mentioned earlier, the I think I called him a psychiatrist. He's a psychologist. That's different. So he went on to Twitter after his Joe Rogan appearance went up live yesterday and he wrote, it's not woke right and woke left allah. James lindsay, although his diagnosis is not far off, he's off target because it's not political. The problem is deeper than the political, it's nearer the psychological, And he says, bordering on the metaphysical. It's not right versus left, or red versus blue, or Republican versus democrat, or conservative versus liberal. Its cluster b psychopaths, dark tech, trad personalities against everyone including themselves, manipulative language aimed at self serving ends, narcissism, the desire to gain reputational status without competence or effort. The desire to gain reputational status without competence or effort. And then he talks about how predatory parasitism otherwise known as psychopathy and sadism positive delight in the unnecessary suffering of others. What Peterson asserts and does so in this interview with Joe Rogan is that there is a certain percentage of the population at all times, really four to five percent, that are psychopathic in some way. And those types of people will always be attracted to positions of power. And it's not that they agree with whatever that power structure advocates. It's not that they are ideological. They simply use the ideology to advance what their psychological needs are. Right, they are the wolf in sheep's clothing. They talk like you, they act like you. They say they agree with you, they say stuff they make you rally around them, but they don't believe it. They don't care about any of that. It doesn't matter to them. What matters is the power, the reputational status, or the sadism. He goes through the ten markers of what he calls political psycho pathology, and the first one, well, ten markers. I will go through the ten markers real quick with you. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Ashville is your connection. Whether you're celebrating an anniversary, a honeymoon, maybe you want to plan a memorable proposal, or get family and friends together for a big old reunion, Cabins of Asheville has the ideal spot for you where you can reconnect with your loved ones and the things that truly matter. 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The ten markers of political psychopathology self positioning at the extreme edge of a group or ideological identity, right, so positioning yourself at the fringe of a particular ideology. Two repeated public claims of ideological or religious identity, and purity to garner attention and increase social rank. I am this. I am on the fringe. I'm much more leftist or righty than you are. I'm a bigger maga than you. Right and purity tests. You disagree with me on one thing, and that's it. You're a traitor. You are not you know, you're not part of the movement or whatever. Three a pattern of repeated public protests. Four false cries of victimization. I've talked about this before, the tendency for interpersonal victimization TIV. When you see yourself as a victim, it becomes almost impossible to ever break out of that way of thinking. People who are actual victims of crime, violence, and the like, right, they work through this stuff with therapy, so they are no longer seeing themselves primarily as an identity of a victim. Because when you see yourself that way, there's a whole host of problems that come with it. Next, aggressive calls for reparation or vengeance. Well, we just turned an example of that with that George Mason University econ student right, absence of remorse, guilt or empathy, dramatic theatrical behavior, and extreme emotional variability, reputation, savaging, social exclusion, and mobbing, particularly when you're anonymous, right, whipping up mobs against people, and you're an anonymous account online. He's talking about political psychopathology and particularly how it occurs in the virtual space online, extreme entitlement and self aggrandizement, heightened instability in and fragility of interpersonal and social relationships. In other words, he says, the beliefs or convictions held by the politically psycho pathological are not beliefs or convictions at all. They are instead the sheep's clothing of the eternal wolves, the tools used to manipulate the unwitting, naive and insufficiently discriminating. This when I heard him talk about this on the Joe Rogan podcast, he also appeared. Peterson also appeared on Hannity Show and talked a little bit about it with Hannity. This to me, is not new. He put it in a way in a psychological framing that I had not heard before. But the concept, to me, is not new. I identified this during the Bush era, the George W. Bush era, when Republicans were ascended and they had taken control over you know, the White House, they had the House and Senate. They they were the party in charge, and there were a lot of people that glombed on to the Republican Party. And this was understood. This everybody understand I thought everybody understood this phenomenon. I never attached any kind of, you know, psychological diagnosis to it or anything. I just knew that people who seek power are going to glom onto the vehicles. They're going to get into the vehicle that gets them to the power. And when Republicans ascended to power, then you had people that were not conserved vatives. You had people who did not agree with the Republican platform and they saw it as a vehicle to be closer to power, and so they joined up with the Republicans, right, I mean, that's obvious. And when we were going through the debate about the Iraq War and the neo cons and all of this stuff, it was it was pretty clear, right, you had people who had differing views about things that were now somehow part of the Republican Party but didn't really have any kind of a historical record of being a conservative. Yet here they are, Peterson says. The politically psychopathological are those who we are are those we are warned about in the commandment thou shalt not take the name of the Lord, thy God in vain because the politically psychopathological are the pharisees, the false quote unquote religious leaders who don the clothing of the righteous while pursuing their own narrowly self serving and even purposefully destructive ends. In the mythic world, they are the allies of pride, the enemies of the true quest, and the servants of the Prince of lies. Okay, so Peterson is approaching this from a psychological, clinical psychologist posture. Right, he is identifying the similar traits that people on the quote unquote woke right have and the similarities they have with the people on the woke left, and they are similar. And what James Lindsay is identifying is like this thread of communism. Now, I think the threads are are intertwined because I look at communism as a religion, and I look at communism as a religion born of Satan, like I don't know any other system that you would create in order to end up with the body count of communism like that ideology is responsible for untold suffering and death and destruction. So if you were Satan and you wanted to make a political or economic philosophy like this is the way you would do it. So to me it makes sense that these the hallmarks of communism, and James Lindsay, self described anti communist, like this is the like to me, this is the overlap in the then diagram. To put it in a term that Kamala Harris might understand better. All right, so spring is here a time of renewal and celebrations. You've got graduations, weddings, anniversaries and the special days for mom and dad. Your family's making memories that are going to last a lifetime. But let me ask you, are all of those treasured moments from days gone by? 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The one element is a couple of weeks ago, an author cultural commentator guy British dude named Douglas Murray. Douglas Murray appeared on the Joe Rogan podcast because he has a new book out and it's about the Israeli Hamas conflict and Peterson or Douglas Murray is I think fair to say pro Israel in that conflict. And he was invited to be on the Joe Rogan podcast. He had been on the Joe Rogan podcast several times before, but this time apparently it was insisted by Rogan. According to the reports I have seen that Rogan would not have Douglas Murray on the show alone, as he had on all previous occasions, but to talk about this topic, he brought on a guy by the name of Dave Smith, who is a friend of Joe Rogan's has his own podcast, is a stand up comedian guy. From what I understand, I've never seen any of his work. And Dave Smith is a libertarian, and I don't want to say he's pro Hamas because he doesn't ever say that, but he says he's anti war. He's against the bombing of the children, and that's his whole thing. And so Rogan brought Dave Smith on in order to create this debate between the two. Now, none of that was made public beforehand. So Murray and Smith have this debate. You can go back and watch it. You can make your own conclusions about who won, who lost, or whatever. But that's typically not the format that Rogan uses. He has, don't get me wrong, he has, but usually it's him talking to one person and it's just a conversation. But this was framed as more of a debate over the Israeli abbass war. And again I'm not going to go into any of what was said there, but that was sort of the flash point that lit the fuse. Because on the woke right, whatever you want to call it, in certain areas of the right wing ecosystem, there is this bubbling up dare I say boiling anti Semitism, and it is. It has broken through on occasion with some pretty big names in the right wing media podcast world. I think I heard it referred to as podcast is Stand or something like that. And so when when Peterson comes on, one of the things that he talks with Rogan about is essentially gatekeeping and how do you as the host ensure that you are not quote unquote platforming these various people. And if I said the names, depending on how deep you are into this ecosystem, you would not know them. But the guys like Ian Carol, Darryl Cooper who goes by the name Martyr Maid. I've actually read Martyr Maide's tweets on occasion. Martyr Maide aka Daryl Cooper was the one who said, you know, maybe Churchill wasn't the hero, he was the villain or whatever. And then people are like, that's out of context, and everything is a whole fight about that. So these these little skirmishes have been occurring over the last year. You also then have like the Andrew Tates uh was Dan Bulsarian or think it is his name right? And was the other one well, Tucker Carlson is part of that. There are there are other voices over in this area that have platformed on their own shows or have said themselves things that to be charitable, can be construed as anti semitism, not simply criticism of Israel, but anti semitism, okay, blaming the Jews for everything. So here is what. And so when Peterson comes on, he has he starts off talking and we're going to get into that in a bit, but the gatekeeping function. But then he also talks about what he was talking about in this piece about the psychopathy of people that glom on to movements. Right, these psychopaths who four to five percent of the population, attach themselves to powerful movements or institutions and they don't care about whatever it is the ideology is being expressed or why the institution exists. I think that virtualization has enabled the psychopaths, without a doubt. Yeah, well, without a doubt. That's a terrible thing, because the psychopathic types, they're always the death of everything. Like I'm seeing this come up on the right now, So imagine imagine this. I've been working on a new a new theory of political psychopathology and I like it quite a lot. Is this where the term the woke right comes in. Yeah, well Lindsay is pointing at that, but he hasn't got he hasn't got the diagnosis exactly right. So it isn't woke. That's not the issue. It's not exactly one level talking about is like similar types of behavior. He is talking about that. Yeah, I know. Just lets you clarify in your head. Oh it's like that. Yeah, But the problem is absolutely But the problem is is that that argument is predicated on the claim that the ideas are the like the woke ideas for example, on the right or the left. But that's not the problem. The problem is that four to five percent of the population something like that is cluster b. That's the DSM five terms histrionic, narcissistic, antisocial, psychopathic, or they have and they have dark tetred traits, they're Machiavelian, they're sadistic. That's about four percent. Okay, So the question is how do these people maneuver And the answer is they go to where the power is and they adopt those ideas and they put themselves even on the forefront of that. But the ideas are completely irrelevant. All they're doing is they're the Pharisees. They're the modern version of the Pharisees. They're the people who use God's name in vain, right is They proclaim moral virtue doesn't matter whether it's right or left, or Christian or Jewish or Islam. They invade the idea of space, and then they use that those ideas as false weapons to a answer their narcissistic advantage. And so then you have the problem. And the Right's going to face this more and more, particularly because the Left had to face it when they were in powers. Yes, how do you identify the psychopathic parasites four percent of the population who are clothed in your clothing and waving your flags, but who are only in it for narcissistic benefit? And I think this is the key question. People are this fight now is raging, But I think that's the question. How do you identify these kinds of people that are in your ranks when they seem to agree with you on things? How do you identify them? And then how do you get rid of them? How do you root them out? Right? That's the question. I believe. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.