The weakest defense of NC's mask law (05-20-2024--Hour3)

[00:00:00] What's going on?

[00:00:06] Thank you so much for listening to this podcast.

[00:00:08] It is heard live every day from noon to three on WBT radio in Charlotte.

[00:00:12] And if you want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, my daily

[00:00:17] show prep with all the links, become a patron, go to the Pete Kaliner show.com.

[00:00:22] Make sure you hit the subscribe button, get every episode for free, right to your smartphone

[00:00:25] or tablet.

[00:00:26] And again, thank you so much for your support.

[00:00:29] There's a show called State Lines.

[00:00:30] It's on PBS.

[00:00:32] And I saw a clip over the weekend of a couple of lawmakers having a discussion over the

[00:00:40] change in the North Carolina masking law, the mask law.

[00:00:47] Right.

[00:00:48] Now, the law was like unchanged for 70 years.

[00:00:56] When the pandemic hit, North Carolina lawmakers changed the law to add in a provision, an

[00:01:04] exemption, if you will.

[00:01:06] And I have the law in front of me.

[00:01:08] I went over this last week, some of the history on this stuff.

[00:01:12] But essentially, there is an exemption from the provision of the article of the of the

[00:01:16] law that says if you have a.

[00:01:24] Where is it, physical health or safety of the wearer or others, any person wearing a

[00:01:29] mask for the purpose of ensuring the physical health or safety of the wearer or others.

[00:01:34] OK, that's an exemption under the law where you're not allowed to wear masks when you're

[00:01:40] going out and about in public, when you're at parades, when you're at cross burnings,

[00:01:44] you know, that kind of thing.

[00:01:45] You're not allowed to wear the masks.

[00:01:48] And because this mask and I remember at the time when the pandemic hit, people started

[00:01:55] asking, well, wait a minute, we have this mask law.

[00:01:57] Now everybody's required to wear the masks after, of course, they said don't wear the

[00:02:02] masks. And then they were like, OK, now everybody wear the mask.

[00:02:04] Everybody's running out and wearing.

[00:02:06] You know, dishcloths on their face and like just until we could get the real masks in

[00:02:11] and then it's like, oh, these things don't really work either, because of course they

[00:02:14] don't work, which was pretty standard knowledge.

[00:02:18] In fact, before I go into that here, while I do this, this is from 2007.

[00:02:23] This is the Scottish government's framework for responding to an influenza pandemic.

[00:02:29] It's put together by health officials from the Scottish government, but also relying on

[00:02:35] the data and science from the EU and from the WHO and America, all of these

[00:02:42] experts that for some reason.

[00:02:46] Within five years, six years, they all flipped on this.

[00:02:52] Guidance, because Section 8.6 says, although the perception that wearing a face mask in

[00:03:01] public places may be beneficial is widely held, that this perception is a widely held

[00:03:07] perception that if everybody wears a face mask in public places, that there's a benefit

[00:03:11] to that. They say, quote, there is little actual evidence of proportionate benefit from

[00:03:16] widespread use.

[00:03:18] The government will not therefore be stockpiling face masks for general use.

[00:03:23] If individuals who are not symptomatic choose to purchase and wear face masks in public

[00:03:29] places, they should be worn properly and disposed of safely to reduce infection spread.

[00:03:35] And why is that? And this is the I had to point this out when we were having these debates

[00:03:40] back in 2020 when the pandemic first hit and people would say, oh, they don't do masks, do

[00:03:45] no good. Well, not necessarily.

[00:03:49] They they do capture some of the debris, some of the projectiles, right?

[00:03:54] They do stop some of that stuff and it gets on the inside of your mask, which is why you

[00:03:57] really should be changing the mask often throughout the day, because otherwise if you are

[00:04:04] infected, you're going to be re-inhaling the the virus.

[00:04:09] And then you got to throw it away and you don't want that to come into contact with any

[00:04:12] surfaces or any other people or anything like that.

[00:04:15] Right. So but but the larger stuff it's going to catch.

[00:04:18] But the the micro droplets, or as I call it, the lung juice, that stuff just gets suspended.

[00:04:24] It goes it's so small, it goes through the masks and it just kind of hangs in the air because

[00:04:29] it's lighter than air, which is why ventilation was so essential.

[00:04:33] Yet for some reason, largely ignored.

[00:04:36] By all of the experts.

[00:04:38] They were recommending the three W's I advocated putting a fourth W in there, I wasn't

[00:04:44] even saying change your W's, I was just saying add a fourth W wind.

[00:04:49] Right to create cross ventilation, open windows, get some fans going, move the air around

[00:04:54] so it disperses the micro droplets anyway.

[00:04:57] Wearing masks, they say at all times is not practical.

[00:05:00] So decisions in occupational settings must take account of the degree of risk associated

[00:05:07] with particular occupations or activities and be based on joint risk assessments carried

[00:05:10] out by employers and staff representatives.

[00:05:13] Surgical face masks or respirators provide a physical barrier against the influenza

[00:05:18] virus, provided that they are an appropriate type worn correctly, changed frequently,

[00:05:24] removed properly, disposed of safely and used in combination with good universal hygiene

[00:05:29] behavior. Face masks can be used to help protect those who may, for example, be at

[00:05:35] occupational risk from close or frequent contact with symptomatic patients.

[00:05:39] So in other words, health care providers working at a retirement home or something,

[00:05:45] right? This is to avoid contaminating others if they have no choice but to leave their

[00:05:52] home. They're going to say we have significant communication supply, logistic training

[00:05:56] aspects will be needed, will need to be addressed.

[00:05:59] Disposable masks or respirators should generally only be worn once for no longer than the

[00:06:05] time recommended by the manufacturer and then discarded in an appropriate receptacle.

[00:06:10] Things that people did not do right during the pandemic.

[00:06:13] None of this stuff happened.

[00:06:15] Really, people were wearing they got their little they got their friends to sew them a

[00:06:20] face mask and they would wear these things until they became.

[00:06:23] I never forget, we went into a restaurant that after the restaurants had started reopening in

[00:06:27] Charlotte. I'm not going to say which one it was, but it was one of these types of line

[00:06:30] operations, right? Where you go in and you build your own dish or sub or sandwich or

[00:06:37] taco, whatever. See, I'm trying to be vague about it, so I'm not disclosing the place.

[00:06:41] And so we went in there and the guy, the very first guy.

[00:06:46] And his face mask is nearly translucent from all of the grease that is on the outside, he

[00:06:55] keeps because he keeps adjusting it and keeps he's got the gloved hands.

[00:06:59] Right. So he's wearing the plastic gloves on his hands and he's making the food and he

[00:07:06] keeps reaching up and readjusting the mask with the gloved hands.

[00:07:09] And then he keeps making food like, dude.

[00:07:12] Why are you even wearing these things?

[00:07:14] Why are you wearing the mask?

[00:07:15] Why are you wearing the gloves if you are doing this action so much so that the whole

[00:07:21] front of your mask is grease stained?

[00:07:25] That's worse. It's actually worse, because if he wasn't wearing the mask, he would not be

[00:07:30] touching his nose and his mouth and his face is his breathing hole.

[00:07:34] He wouldn't be touching it so much.

[00:07:38] So. Masks in order to combat the micro droplets, not terribly effective, which, again.

[00:07:46] The experts knew for decades they have known, but it all changed.

[00:07:53] During the covid pandemic and so the General Assembly came along and they're like, OK, well,

[00:07:58] we have this law on the books that says you can't wear masks in public, and this was from

[00:08:03] the KKK era.

[00:08:04] They did not want people running around with the hoods.

[00:08:07] There's some language in there, too, about burning.

[00:08:10] Well, then say burning crosses, but like going to other people's houses and such.

[00:08:14] You're not allowed to show up in people's houses wearing masks.

[00:08:18] Which I remember there was a guy I worked with, he said that he went trick or treating and

[00:08:22] he was like 17 or something, and his neighbor recognized him and said, you're you're

[00:08:27] breaking the law, kid, you're over the age of 16, you can't be wearing that mask out in

[00:08:31] public. And like, oh, I wasn't aware of that.

[00:08:34] But there is an exemption for the holiday revelers and such.

[00:08:38] Also, if you work in the trades, you have an employment situation where you have to wear

[00:08:43] the mask. And but the other one, traditional holiday costumes in season.

[00:08:47] So, you know, you can dress up with the big fluffy beard if it's a mask, you know,

[00:08:51] whatever. So now people have started using the masks after the covid pandemic.

[00:08:59] Well, actually, even during really they would go out and they would protest, engage in

[00:09:04] illegal behavior and wear the masks not for safety purposes, but for criminality in

[00:09:12] order to mask their identity.

[00:09:14] So people would not recognize them.

[00:09:16] Law enforcement could not arrest them.

[00:09:18] And that trend has continued and we see it now with the Tentifada.

[00:09:22] So now the state lawmakers are like, you know what?

[00:09:25] Let's go back and pull that exemption that we added during the pandemic.

[00:09:28] Let's delete it and go back to the way the law was for 70 years.

[00:09:34] Outrage has ensued.

[00:09:36] How dare you? You're trying to kill people, right?

[00:09:40] There are people that have very legitimate concerns about their their health and all

[00:09:43] that. Right. OK, so it started because here's the argument that.

[00:09:49] They put the exemption in because of covid, but then it doesn't stop the spread.

[00:09:54] So then the response is, well, there are other ailments then that they're trying to guard

[00:09:57] against. OK, but then there was no enforcement prior to covid on any of those other

[00:10:02] ailments when people would wear masks for that reason.

[00:10:04] So what's the problem?

[00:10:06] Right. Oh, and by the way, if you wear the mask and a law enforcement officer asks you

[00:10:11] to take it down, you have to take it down.

[00:10:13] You got to you got to pull the mask off.

[00:10:14] You got to show them your face, which that's not happening either.

[00:10:18] So right.

[00:10:20] The lack of enforcement over a 70 year period should count for something.

[00:10:23] No. So I heard this debate on this program on PBS, I don't think I've heard a weaker

[00:10:30] argument really for any kind of political issue ever.

[00:10:34] All righty. So let me get to this audio clip here.

[00:10:38] The first let's hear from state lines, the first person you're going to hear, I believe,

[00:10:43] is Benton. Sorry.

[00:10:45] Sorry. He is a Republican from Johnston County state senator.

[00:10:49] And then the woman's voice you hear is Maria Servania.

[00:10:51] She's a Democrat from Wake County and she is a representative.

[00:10:54] We've had a law in the impetus of that law at that time was a strong one and still

[00:11:02] prevails now.

[00:11:03] What has been changed before the pandemic and now currently is to take out specific text

[00:11:11] when it comes to medical masking and public health safety.

[00:11:16] Why? Why take that out if, in fact, it's said by my colleague here that it's not against

[00:11:25] N95 or medical masking.

[00:11:26] Why take it out of the law now if it's not necessary?

[00:11:32] This seems to me more that.

[00:11:37] We're trying to have a different outcome than actually what we're trying to press into this

[00:11:42] law. So remember.

[00:11:43] OK, I don't even understand what you're saying.

[00:11:48] Well, we try. In other words, there's an ulterior motive going on here.

[00:11:51] I love the I love when Democrats play this game that they don't have any idea why you're

[00:11:56] proposing such a thing.

[00:11:59] This same approach, the same rhetorical tactic was done, and this is even a worst case.

[00:12:04] Well, the same tactic was employed when Republicans cracked down on violent protests and

[00:12:14] riots last year, I believe it was maybe two years ago.

[00:12:19] After what we saw in downtown Raleigh where they were burning cars up, remember, and

[00:12:24] Speaker Tim Moore talked about seeing all of this stuff from his apartment window right off

[00:12:29] the balconies like there are things on fire in front of his apartment.

[00:12:32] And. There was this push then to say we're going to stiffen the penalties already

[00:12:38] existing, but we're going to stiffen the penalties to send a message that we're not going

[00:12:42] to put up with this garbage.

[00:12:44] State law is going to get tougher for people engaged in violent protests and riots.

[00:12:51] And Democrats came to the floor of the House and the Senate and they pretended like they

[00:12:56] hadn't seen any of the stuff going on for the last two years prior from the Chaz Chop

[00:13:02] Out West to the burning and looting in Raleigh.

[00:13:06] But. I don't know why you need to do this, I'm afraid some people, some innocent people

[00:13:12] might be swept up in it.

[00:13:14] There's always it's always this this argument, this defense.

[00:13:19] And that's what they're trying to do right now.

[00:13:21] What about somebody who's sick and.

[00:13:24] They want to wear a mask.

[00:13:25] I don't know why we need to go back to it's like and I said it the other day, Abe Jones,

[00:13:31] retired judge, Democrat lawmaker.

[00:13:34] And he was a he was a supporter of the tougher penalties for the rioters.

[00:13:40] And he called him out, he said his fellow Democrats, he's like, we all know what we're

[00:13:44] talking about here.

[00:13:45] Right. There's no way playing hide the ball on this.

[00:13:50] Everybody understands what's going on.

[00:13:52] You got a riot out front and if you got a riot.

[00:13:56] We're saying if you're engaged in the riotous behavior and you are convicted of it, the

[00:14:01] penalty is going to be more severe.

[00:14:02] That's it. Now, if you've got other issues about how cases are tried and all of that,

[00:14:08] these are different questions.

[00:14:10] But simply raising a penalty, that's not so this this this game of I don't know why

[00:14:15] you're trying to do this.

[00:14:17] Yes, you do. Everybody knows why.

[00:14:20] Because people are engaged in unlawful activity, wearing masks and pretending it's for

[00:14:25] quote health and safety purposes.

[00:14:27] And it's not it's not for health or safety.

[00:14:31] It's to preserve their anonymity so they can they can break the law and have a better

[00:14:36] chance of getting away with it.

[00:14:38] Jazz Shaw writing at Hot Air dot com headline North Carolina moving to ban face masks

[00:14:44] for health reasons.

[00:14:45] And Jazz starts off by quoting WRAL News report that the North Carolina Senate voted

[00:14:51] along party lines Wednesday.

[00:14:53] So last week to ban anybody from wearing masks in public for health reasons, following an

[00:14:58] emotional debate about the wisdom of the proposal.

[00:15:01] Republican supporters of the ban said it would help police crack down on protesters who

[00:15:05] wear masks, which some lawmakers called a growing concern, saying demonstrators are

[00:15:10] abusing covid-19 pandemic era norms to wear masks that hide their identities.

[00:15:18] So that's that's the reason.

[00:15:20] That's the rationale.

[00:15:23] So Representative Maria Sirvania pretending not to know why this is being proposed,

[00:15:32] like it's not believable to me.

[00:15:34] The public health and safety.

[00:15:35] This then is Senator Benton.

[00:15:38] Sorry. He is a Republican from Johnston County.

[00:15:40] Exception did not exist in North Carolina law until January or excuse me, until 2020.

[00:15:46] So it's never been part of the law ever previously.

[00:15:49] It's never been an issue previously.

[00:15:51] It is never ever.

[00:15:52] I mean, and I think some of the frustration we've had is that to the extent that this was

[00:15:56] an issue, it would have arisen in the 70 years prior.

[00:15:59] There are members sitting in the chamber today that rose and spoke against this issue on

[00:16:05] the floor on Wednesday who have had an opportunity since the 1970s to bring these same

[00:16:10] amendments. No lawsuit has been filed by Disability Rights.

[00:16:13] No lawsuit has ever been filed by the ACLU.

[00:16:15] It has never been an issue.

[00:16:17] This is a political point that's being made for campaign purpose.

[00:16:21] And I want to bring it back to the point that in those 70 years, we did not even have the

[00:16:26] earliest versions of covid.

[00:16:31] So we need to come to our modern times to know that even covid-19 is endemic.

[00:16:37] We still haven't taken it away.

[00:16:39] Like I said, like I'm an epidemiologist.

[00:16:41] We know this. We need to have our individual rights protected.

[00:16:48] We feel like we want to protect our community or ourselves not to get covid or flu.

[00:16:54] That can be life threatening.

[00:16:56] Nobody is saying that somebody who is immunocompromised or is sick or has a health

[00:17:02] issue cannot wear a mask.

[00:17:05] Nobody has ever been arrested.

[00:17:06] Nobody has ever been prosecuted in the seven years prior to this.

[00:17:11] It's not going to happen today.

[00:17:12] It's not going to happen tomorrow.

[00:17:14] The senators who are speaking out against this know that the Department of Health and

[00:17:18] Human Services knows that lawyers know this.

[00:17:20] Judges know this. Everybody knows this.

[00:17:22] Members of the chamber are using this to score political points to generate fear.

[00:17:28] And one of the other issues that came up, one of the other issues that came up in the

[00:17:32] DHS email was one of their concerns was that public could become confused and fearful

[00:17:38] based on this language.

[00:17:40] And there are Democrats, some of your colleagues in the Senate chamber who are causing

[00:17:44] that. There are some of the news media who are causing that.

[00:17:47] So instead of framing the issues where it is, we are where we are today, which is very

[00:17:51] disappointing. And I could counter that because this is a health issue.

[00:17:56] This is a personal safety issue.

[00:18:00] And the fear, I believe, is being caused by those.

[00:18:04] And I'm not going to say Democrat, Republican.

[00:18:07] I want to say. The people who are trying to take this two lines out of our current law,

[00:18:14] it is going to cause confusion not only for people, but law enforcement and how they're

[00:18:18] supposed to administer the law.

[00:18:21] You cannot guarantee that no one's going to be arrested.

[00:18:24] You can't as you sit here now.

[00:18:26] Can we look at a track record of North Carolina prosecutorial discretion since 1953 and

[00:18:31] assume and assume that the interpretation by the Department of Health and Human Services

[00:18:36] is going to show that nobody is going to be arrested?

[00:18:40] And again, I'm going to bring it back.

[00:18:42] We did not have COVID 70 years ago.

[00:18:45] We had SARS. We've had Zika.

[00:18:47] We've had various pandemics.

[00:18:48] Ago. Yes, that was during the period of time.

[00:18:51] Correct. But we didn't instill a mass mandate during those times because we had

[00:18:56] preparedness done to make sure our people were safe.

[00:19:00] Wait, what? We had preparedness done to make sure our people were safe.

[00:19:04] What do you what is she even talking about now?

[00:19:06] This doesn't even make any sense.

[00:19:09] No, the 70 years of no prosecutions for anybody wearing any kinds of masks for health and

[00:19:16] safety purposes, I I would submit that is a track record that would indicate that there

[00:19:22] isn't an appetite for law enforcement and for district attorneys to go around busting

[00:19:28] people during allergy season when they want to mask up to reduce their pollen counts.

[00:19:34] And that, by the way, and you got wildfires going on.

[00:19:36] I was out West when the wildfires hit and people wore masks because the smoke, the

[00:19:42] particulate matter was so dense and thick that the masks did help.

[00:19:47] So people weren't running around getting arrested for that.

[00:19:51] No, it's when you are rioting, you're protesting, you're out on the streets and you're

[00:19:56] wearing the masks in order to cover your face so you can engage in the illegal activity.

[00:20:01] If they catch you, then there would be an increased penalty.

[00:20:05] That's all that that's all that we're saying.

[00:20:08] But for some reason, now we got to demagogue this issue as well and make people very afraid

[00:20:13] that cops are going to be like busting down their door or stopping and pulling them over.

[00:20:17] I see you wearing a mask in your car alone, you know, I'm going to arrest you.

[00:20:22] I'm going to pull you over and arrest you for that.

[00:20:24] No, they weren't doing that for 70 years.

[00:20:26] Why are they going to start doing that now?

[00:20:28] OK, if you're listening to this podcast, you are obviously paying attention to the world

[00:20:32] around us. You also have really great taste, I might add.

[00:20:36] But if you haven't started getting prepared for various emergencies, I got to ask, what

[00:20:40] are you waiting for? Please call my friends Bill and Jan at Carolina Readiness Supply

[00:20:45] and they'll help get you started.

[00:20:46] If you have no idea how to start, they can help you.

[00:20:48] If you're an experienced prepper, they can help you to being prepared is just smart.

[00:20:53] We've already established that you're smart.

[00:20:55] I mean, you listen to this podcast after all.

[00:20:57] So let's put those smarts into action.

[00:21:00] Go to Carolina readiness dot com.

[00:21:02] That's Carolina readiness dot com or call them at 828-226-7239.

[00:21:09] Carolina Readiness Supply has 2000 square feet of supplies as well as educational

[00:21:13] materials that you're going to need for any kind of emergency.

[00:21:16] Veteran owned Carolina Readiness Supply.

[00:21:19] Will you be ready when the lights go out?

[00:21:22] Email from Stan, who says it doesn't make any difference what laws you pass, what the

[00:21:26] law says and what you say the penalties are if what is actually enforced is politically

[00:21:31] selective. Yeah, that is true.

[00:21:34] And the Hellion says.

[00:21:38] I still have people wearing a mask to the gym, but it is never.

[00:21:43] Ever covering the nose, there's at least seven or eight of these folks on Saturdays

[00:21:47] and Sundays. And then or emptying out a retail store of all their inventory, wearing

[00:21:54] a mask, right? Yeah, the legal activity, right?

[00:21:56] That's that people using the masks in order to conceal their identity during crimes.

[00:22:02] Johnny, welcome to the program.

[00:22:03] Hello, Johnny. Sorry, I had my mask on.

[00:22:08] Ah, OK, well then.

[00:22:10] Ah, I'm driving down the road with my windows up and my mask on.

[00:22:14] Always got to kick out of that one.

[00:22:16] So listen, instead of trying to arrest everybody for wearing a mask, how about coming

[00:22:22] from the angle that says the law says if you're going to protest, you can't do it with

[00:22:29] a mask on or you will be arrested.

[00:22:32] Right, that would be much easier.

[00:22:34] And you'd have a more finite group to deal with.

[00:22:37] The other thing is, you know, if this state came up with a mask license, it would be

[00:22:45] another form of revenue.

[00:22:46] Well, I don't know. I'm not going to endorse that at all.

[00:22:49] No, look, there's there's reason to believe that this law is on shaky ground

[00:22:54] constitutionally just on its face.

[00:22:57] Just because it's 70 years old doesn't mean that it's going to sustain or withstand

[00:23:02] constitutional scrutiny.

[00:23:04] Right, because if somebody wants to wear a mask to to go about their day or whatever, like

[00:23:10] technically, yeah, they would be in violation.

[00:23:12] Or why am I allowed to wear it for a costume in season but not outside of the season?

[00:23:16] Whatever that season might be.

[00:23:18] Right. So if all it's going to take, I'm sure, is a couple of well-funded lawsuits.

[00:23:23] And when that happens, I suspect a lot of these mask laws are going to drop, which I'm

[00:23:27] sure the KKKs would be very happy about.

[00:23:29] But but yeah, for all these protesters, though, if you made a new law that says

[00:23:34] protesters cannot wear a mask or even if you're wearing a mask in the commission of a

[00:23:39] crime, that adds more time to your penalty.

[00:23:43] That's what this law. Well, that's what this law would do as well.

[00:23:46] So it strips out the exemption and then adds an increase in the penalty.

[00:23:51] Nice. Yeah. So that's where they're trying to get at.

[00:23:54] I don't know if this is the way they're actually going to be able to do it, though.

[00:23:56] So, yeah, appreciate the call, Johnny.

[00:23:58] Thanks. Let me go over here.

[00:23:59] This is Dave.

[00:24:01] David. Well, Dave, welcome to the program.

[00:24:04] Yeah, I'm just wondering, since you are an expert in Charlotte history, please tell us

[00:24:10] all about General Joseph Graham, please.

[00:24:13] Why would you think I'm an expert in Charlotte history?

[00:24:16] Well, you've been spewing this nonsense about the Meck deck all day.

[00:24:20] So obviously and you just did 20 minutes of research on masks.

[00:24:24] Obviously, you wouldn't spew this kind of misinformation without doing the least bit of

[00:24:30] research. So please, what was the about?

[00:24:33] What was the message about what was the misinformation?

[00:24:36] General Joseph Graham, who is what was the misinformation, Dave?

[00:24:40] So you're not going to. How about Humphrey?

[00:24:42] Dave, what was the misinformation?

[00:24:45] You know, Dave, you've leveled an accusation.

[00:24:47] What is the misinformation?

[00:24:48] Are you familiar with Dave?

[00:24:50] All right, Dave, this is not the way this is going to work.

[00:24:52] Dave, if you you make an assertion, I'm going to ask you explain the assertion.

[00:24:57] Why? Why are you making this assertion?

[00:25:00] What is that assertion about?

[00:25:01] You you you set up a straw man initially by saying I have claimed to be some expert.

[00:25:05] I have not claimed to be the expert on Charlotte history at all.

[00:25:10] So I ask you then.

[00:25:12] Why would you say that?

[00:25:13] You say, well, I'm spewing misinformation.

[00:25:15] OK, well, what is the misinformation?

[00:25:16] It's a very clear question.

[00:25:18] What is the misinformation?

[00:25:19] I have been. Oh, I'm going to make.

[00:25:21] Oh, all right. Have you did you even hear any of that?

[00:25:23] OK, so what is the misinformation?

[00:25:26] General Joseph Graham was wounded nine times while defending Charlotte from Cornwallis.

[00:25:32] He is an eyewitness to the Mech Deck.

[00:25:35] And so when you take a crap on local patriots and our first military veterans,

[00:25:41] you are calling General Joseph Graham a liar.

[00:25:45] And you're doing it just so that you can bring the attention to yourself

[00:25:48] on the very day when we're supposed to be honoring these men.

[00:25:51] It's pathetic.

[00:25:53] I say, is this David Fleming?

[00:25:55] Is that who this is?

[00:25:56] Are you the author of the book?

[00:25:57] The guy that is attacking me as a mag of somebody on I've been on Twitter.

[00:26:02] You've been ducking.

[00:26:03] I've been I'm the one you've been ducking for a year and ducking your show.

[00:26:07] How have I ducked you, Dave?

[00:26:10] So are you calling General Joseph Graham a liar?

[00:26:13] First off, just answer.

[00:26:14] Yes, no, of course, Dave.

[00:26:16] What so what was my position on the Mech Deck's veracity?

[00:26:19] You tell me if you're calling him a liar.

[00:26:21] Come on, Dave.

[00:26:23] What was my position on the Mech Deck's veracity?

[00:26:26] Are you going to are you calling him a liar or not?

[00:26:28] Why would this is you're ridiculous, Dave?

[00:26:31] See, this is probably it's not probably.

[00:26:33] There's a reason, Dave.

[00:26:34] There's a reason why people call in and get what do you mean?

[00:26:38] I took your back up the stuff that you're dropping.

[00:26:40] I literally had I literally had the president of the Historical Association on.

[00:26:46] She called in, talked with her for a good 10 minutes, took your call.

[00:26:50] Talk about this.

[00:26:52] So but that's the thing, like I'm asking you a question,

[00:26:55] you seem to be very intent on ascribing motives and beliefs to me.

[00:27:00] And when I ask you to just know, no, Dave, all I've asked you is

[00:27:05] all I've asked you is to state for me what you believe.

[00:27:08] I have said what my beliefs are about the veracity of the Mech Deck.

[00:27:13] Give you the information and what have I said?

[00:27:16] Back off like what have I said?

[00:27:17] They back off like a cow.

[00:27:19] What have I said, Dave?

[00:27:20] Man up and do the what have I said, Dave?

[00:27:23] What have I said, Dave?

[00:27:26] You said no shred of evidence.

[00:27:27] There's over well, no shred of evidence.

[00:27:30] Did I say that today?

[00:27:31] Did I say no shred of evidence?

[00:27:32] I don't recall saying that you have.

[00:27:34] Have you said that not on the air?

[00:27:35] I've not said that today.

[00:27:36] Did you call Mech Deck believers fringe group people?

[00:27:40] Did I call fringe group people?

[00:27:42] When I first got to Charlotte, I said that was what the perception was.

[00:27:45] Absolutely.

[00:27:47] So you've you've read Scott Seifert's book.

[00:27:49] I know I just found out about Scott Seifert's book.

[00:27:51] And you've and you've read my book.

[00:27:53] No, I was going to read your book.

[00:27:54] And I said I wanted to read your book.

[00:27:56] No, no, no, no, no.

[00:27:56] I think Dave, because I remember you came through, you were selling the book last

[00:28:00] year and I said, oh, I need to read that book.

[00:28:02] And then you started yelling at me and screaming at me on Twitter, if I recall

[00:28:05] correctly. And I think I muted your account at that point because you're just an

[00:28:09] obnoxious troll. So that's how that went down.

[00:28:13] That's not ducking you.

[00:28:14] That's just not wasting my efforts with you and not giving you a platform to sell

[00:28:18] your book. And then when I saw here that today now you've started attacking me and

[00:28:23] calling me some trolling Charlotte's first military veterans with MAGA levels of

[00:28:30] lies and misinformation like, OK, I know what your politics are now.

[00:28:35] I have no interest actually in engaging you because you're just an obnoxious troll.

[00:28:39] But good luck on your book.

[00:28:42] And I appreciate the work that you did tracking down the historical accuracy.

[00:28:47] Absolutely. Definitely worth it.

[00:28:50] But if you don't even know my position, I don't know why you're so angry at me for

[00:28:52] holding a position you don't know I hold.

[00:28:54] All right. So that being said, that's a wrap for the show.

[00:28:58] All right. That'll do it for this episode.

[00:29:00] Thank you so much for listening.

[00:29:01] I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that

[00:29:05] advertise on the podcast.

[00:29:07] So if you'd like, please support them, too, and tell them you heard it here.

[00:29:10] You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to the peak calendar show

[00:29:14] dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening.

[00:29:17] And don't break anything while I'm gone.