The politics of the Robinson Affair (09-20-2024--Hour3)

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[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, so I got a message from Ken I think and sorry I closed it already but apparently somebody did an interview with Scott Huffman from WBT University my alma mater

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But he said that CNN brought the receipts. So let me go over some of these receipts on the Mark Robinson story. This is what CNN reported

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_03]: In a post in 2012, many soldier that is the handle M.I. and I S.O.L.D.R

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Said he served in the army in the 1980s during the same time period as Robinson in his sexually graphic comments detailing

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Watching women in the showers in 2011

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Many soldier which was he said he was 14 years old this was a story that was posted that he was 14

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_03]: He was walking past some

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a ladder or something and he walked up and he looked in and it was overhead the women's you it almost read like one of those

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Those letters to the playboy magazines remember those things. Yeah, that's what I kind of read like but in a crude or crass or way

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But this account also wrote that his mother worked at a historically black college in university

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Who says this kind of stuff on a porn forum anyway Robinson's mother worked as a custodian at North Carolina and T State University

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Both many soldier and Robinson often posted about the same topics online including reviews for remote controlled helicopters

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_03]: There were traction to specific celebrities and their favorite twilight zone episode

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_03]: The email address associated with mini soldier on new Africa was also used by Robinson elsewhere online and social media

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no proof provided to me about that though

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_03]: On the commenting platform discos that's it's an hour on a different platform

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Discus is where it's like a universal third party platform that websites will use for their

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Forum comments lot of different websites uses so if you have a discuss profile

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_03]: You can then comment on any website that uses discos for their

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Forms or commenting

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So this platform a user heard who joined in April 2011 features Mark Robinson's photo under the username mini soldier

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_03]: User names and email addresses from discos were publicly leaked online in 2017

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: According to the company so okay

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: What were the comments on discos?

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know see this is why Robinson needs to be asked and this is where CNN should have asked him

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you use the user name mini soldier?

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you use this use episode did you use it on discos did you use it on new Africa?

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you use it on black planet?

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you use it on Twitter right you go right down the list

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_03]: CNN confirmed that Robinson's user name mini soldier on discos shared the same email address as

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: The one used on new Africa.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how they confirm that.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: How do you have access to people's email addresses unless of course and I haven't been to the new

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Africa site so I don't know how do you get to see people's emails?

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_03]: How do you get there?

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_03]: How do you get to see their email addresses on the porn site?

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Unless of course they're making that available like if you're a member of new Africa you

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Get to see everybody's email addresses which that's kind of stupid.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Why would you do that?

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Again I am not steeped in this culture so I do not know Robinson's discos page is also linked to the black

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_03]: planet.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But what do you mean the discos page is also linked so they don't say they do not say that

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Discus is linked to new Africa.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Now maybe it is I don't know and if it is then these connections are pretty solid but

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that because they don't say they're not telling me that the new Africa is using

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_03]: the discos and that that all connects they're just saying that the username and an email address

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_03]: that somehow or another is available for other people to see obviously because Robinson didn't give

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_03]: it to them.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So somebody else by the way is it possible that somebody hacked him maybe all of this stuff

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_03]: is his but somebody hacked his account that's possible too I don't know.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's how they got all of the old messages or that's how they wrote messages and put them in there.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_03]: CNN confirmed or sorry we're already read that part.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: The black planet website they don't as far as I could tell in this article they don't quote

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_03]: any posts from black planet and they don't quote any quotes of his or comments from his on

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_03]: discos.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_03]: It's only on new Africa it's only on that one website which is pay world and now is locked down unless you remember.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: The web archives shows a user named that's web archive is like the way back machine the web archive

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_03]: shows a user named mini soldier described themselves as 40 years old in February 2009

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_03]: the same age as Robinson at the time and living in Greensboro North Carolina Robinson's hometown.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Robinson has frequently used the user named mini soldier elsewhere on the internet.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But again CNN did not ask him that nor did he say point blank that's not my username.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_03]: That maybe it is so once again like all I'm doing is asking these questions because in order to

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_03]: discern what is true.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I need to know

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_03]: what the connections are and what he says about these profiles that if he's going to tell me that that's not my

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_03]: username I've never done that but then there's evidence that he's lying then I would know that and now I can say well he's lying about all this other stuff because here's the problem.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_03]: When all of the other Facebook posts and all this stuff previously came out he never denied any of that stuff.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But as I said in the first hour this stuff is of a different nature.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Not just the sexual stuff but what he is describing is having affairs, you know cheating on his wife with his wife's sister and some other person in three cents.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And so like you have now this is now way worse than Facebook comments that he's making about you know general politics or whatever.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_03]: This is now something that's going to destroy his life and so he hasn't sent him to lie about it.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_03]: The problem is is that if it's true and there is proof that you can connect him to the username then and see an end believes that they have done so with this email account.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He has said that he hasn't said that.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_03]: He said these aren't my words.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but did you have an account like you got it if you had an account if you've said any of this stuff or whatever like you you have to kind of you got to come clean on whatever elements of it are true.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_03]: If you're saying that the larger stuff is false you can't say it's all false.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_03]: When part of it might be true that you owned the username or the email account you created these accounts.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what I'm that's what I'm trying to figure out because he's denying it and the people who don't believe him on anything.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And they hate him like they're not going to believe him when he says that it's not him.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I understand that.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I have a bit of a higher standard. I try to get people the benefit of the doubt and so all right, you say this isn't you okay, so walk me through what parts are true if any.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't like doing this but we have to.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_03]: There was also a YouTube channel.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I went to this YouTube channel for mini soldier very weird.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the the collection of playlists that were there they were like seven of them is very like there was one that was him.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Doing an interview and doing interviews and then there's like music.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_03]: One gospel and then there's like some other music that's not and it's just it's just a weird channel.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know the username was also has also posted reviews of products and places Robinson has publicly recommended on Amazon a user named minisolger reviewed.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And so this is a very good product frequently shared by Robinson on Facebook including remote controlled helicopters right well.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so either a that's him and he's doing these things under his pseudonym or.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_03]: If I'm trying to pull a hoax I could backfill that no they don't tell me when the dates are so I don't know how long ago were the posts made.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: They don't link it they don't show me.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: See sort of mean extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence you're going to have to show it all to me CNN.

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[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Going over the CNN quote unquote receipts that they are using to link mark Robinson to this.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_03]: You are a user name many soldier which as far as I know in the interview that I watched with him on CNN.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And in the report here they never ask him point blank whether or not he used this name.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And to me that seems like the very first question you should ask like did you use this name many soldier and if he says no that's I okay well.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's this Twitter stuff here's this Facebook stuff here's this Amazon stuff you're saying you didn't do any of this why is this all the same whatever and you you kind of start there.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe he did maybe they did ask him this stuff and maybe he answered but it did make it into the story for some reason that seems weird but I don't know.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That's where I would start and then you build off of that.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_03]: It's sort of like defining terms before debate so this way we all understand what it is that we're talking about and not talking past each other.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Robinson's unique choice of language further links him to the mini soldier alias on the porn forms uncommon phrases.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Such as gag a maggot have never heard of this term before.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Underhead have heard that before.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't give a frog's ass and I don't give two shakes of it were used both by many soldier on the new Africa page and by Robinson on his personal Facebook page.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Did they ask him specifically about those terms why are these terms showing up in both places then you know like how long was this interview how that because to me.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You sit and you answer every single question and you answer every question until there aren't any more.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That's my approach to damage control the worst comments are all on this one page Robinson reveals unvarnished thoughts on issues like race gender and abortion writing in a forum discussing black Republicans in October 2010 Robinson stated unprovoked.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a black Nazi which okay you're in a forum discussing black Republicans.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's that that that that actually could just be a joke because the left calls the right Nazis all the time.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So you're in a for why is there a forum on a porn site about black Republicans way what kind of a porn site is that like this is weird.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: That same month Robinson wrote in another post that he supported the return of slavery saying quote slavery is not bad some people need to be slaves I wish they would bring it back.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I would certainly buy a few.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_03]: In March 2012 Robinson wrote that he preferred the former leader of Nazi Germany 8 of Hitler over the leadership in Washington during the administration of Barack Obama quote I'd take Hitler over any of that or any of the bleep that's in Washington right now.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Robinson's comments on the new Africa website often frequently contained derogatory and racial slurs directed at black Jewish and Muslim people as well as MLK.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_03]: You call them a common.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, so there those are the receipts those are the links but again I can independently verify this stuff and so now we are at the the part in the LBJ quote.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I just want to see him deny it.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and and and again as I said the biggest problem.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: That CNN's got with its story is that it's CNN.

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[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_03]: All right so here's a tweet it's a Pete tweet from Sir Josh Waw who says.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Skipping over the does it matter question do you think it's more or less likely that the allegations are true.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I don't know I don't know the evidence that CNN.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Gives me would lead me to believe that it is more likely to be true.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But I would have to then ignore everything that I already know about CNN and I'm not willing to do that that's why I I cannot trust their evidence especially when they don't ask fundamental questions during the interview with Robinson.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But on the other hand.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Like if anybody were to be saying this kind of stuff Robinson seems like the kind of guy that might do it given the social media comments that he has made over the years right.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And the response to me did not seem to be throw enough that's just me so I am I am 50 50 on this I don't know I can't trust CNN.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Mary says so the very white bill Clinton can have extra marital affairs and be accused of numerous sex assaults and end up and and be president but a black man who engages in online shenanigans can't be a state governor well that's different because he was a Democrat.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, as our dwarves says it's a hoax.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_03]: The accusations were very true for Clinton and everybody said it didn't matter if Clinton could be president for two terms that we can have an imperfect black man when it comes to sexual behavior and so forth be a state governor.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Mary's got a okay hang on.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it keeps you says okay so he was an edge lord okay yeah that's what they call them online these sort of trolls.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: How many forums are active in archive from 2011 I mean the internet has changed volumes from 2011 it wouldn't be recognizable to most teams or early 20s says Gary could have used the handle in the past and then someone created this information based off of real information to create the screenshots yeah I.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean I don't know the tech side of this stuff well enough to know what I'm looking at and I don't trust seeing in.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Because especially when they're like we're just looking at these things and saying oh that that's there and it's over here too so that's that must be him so it proves it.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Now.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I got so much stuff that I haven't even gotten to.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Eric Erickson.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, there was another thing real quick an email address the same one that I don't know what the email address is I asked people to give me this email address so I can verify some stuff for myself and nobody seems to know what it is or to get it for me.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_03]: The email address supposedly belonging to North Carolina Governor Mark Robinson was registered on Ashley Madison a website designed for married people seeking affairs and advisor to Robinson granted anonymity to speak freely.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Confirm to political that the email address and question belongs to Robinson this was in political.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that the same email that they're connecting with the CNN story I don't know.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I didn't make the connection.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Eric Erickson talks your host out of Atlanta.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_03]: He says his supporters will say the allegations about trans porn Hitler obsessions and peeping in women's locker rooms are either made up or old news they are old news but that won't matter to a lot of voters Robinson is already losing the race.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_03]: The GOP if he drops out has a chance to reset like the Democrats did this was done yesterday by the way, but the deadline passed he can no longer withdraw from the race.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But Robinson supporters will circle the wagon and Robinson will refuse to leave he has nothing else.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the thing last year at the gathering which is conference that.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Erickson sets up every year.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_03]: He says I endorsed Mark Walker for Governor of North Carolina several consultants told me there was lots of bad things that would come out about Robinson including weird online sex stuff or something like that.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I knew the rumors I did not know the substance it could have been idle gossip, but it appears now before the primary.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_03]: There was a real hint of something that Republicans knew on top of that it became clear that Trump was going to endorse Robinson and the consultants in North Carolina did not think old weird online sex stuff would stop the Trump endorsement so they went into the do no harm mode and kept their mouths shut.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Well that epoxy upon you guys right here if I'm an op-o researcher I'm a consultant and I haven't this information if I knew this stuff I put it into a folder.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I get a meeting with Robinson and I say this is going public if you try to run why why didn't that happen did it happen.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Did anybody say here's the op-o we have on you because when you come and I've heard this for years people have been saying this I've heard this too like oh you know there's more oh there's stuff out there.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, like what well I don't know what it is but it's really bad.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so then let me just yeah not vote for this guy because you who are running against him Mark Walker in this case you say this stuff is out there but you won't tell me what the stuff is so you want me to give you my vote.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Rather than Robinson what if what the rumor is isn't true.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know you don't know you can't tell me what it is and you're admitting that it's all just rumor so.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Why why would I use that in my thought process why would I use that to make a decision he says mega types are on social media blasting me claiming I should have said something.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes you should have said something.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_03]: All I had were the rumors and we all know that had I had I said anything they'd have said it was because I endorsed Mark Walker or because I'm never Trump.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you still do it that's what you do.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But that's just me and by the way the people who were talking about all the rumors.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_03]: We've seen his comments on Facebook so why wouldn't I just assume that that was the stuff that they were talking about because that's what I thought.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh he said some stuff at this church and then you watch and it's like, oh well that wasn't what these people think it was and you watch the whole video it's like I understand what he's talking about.

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[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm good. What's up?

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not in my job. I'm busy here or there but I think Mark Robinson is guilty. I mean, I can I can't I can't.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think he's guilty and like the white people like the white Republicans they want to black guy. Yeah, and you know, but

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's a fantastic speaker. Yeah, that's that's the ones they want the ones that

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That can like 86 their own race for

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_03]: For power, you know, well, wait. Oh, so you call on them in Uncle Tom?

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Pretty much. Yeah, I could yeah, it sounded like that.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_03]: But you understand what's going on. Right. Yeah, and I find it really like offensive. Yeah, like you realize why Republicans want

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Black people in their party, right? Do you know that? Do you know why they want you know why white Republicans want black people in their party?

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Why? Because they don't believe their philosophy is what Democrats accuse it of being.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Democrats and Republicans are right. And it's no big deal.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. I don't find this to be a productive conversation Robert, but thank you for the phone call. Jerry, welcome to the show.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey Pete, I wish I agree with you that I wish his statement had been more of a ciferous had been more

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Dynamic.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_01]: What I fear is that two years from now, two years into Josh's fine ruining the state even more that oh yeah, it was oh yeah, it wasn't true. You know, oh yeah like like Hunter's laptop and I really would love to see Robinson come out

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and fight back and not care what they're going to call them because they're going to call them stuff anyway and say it's time for us as all Americans to draw a line in the sand.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: If you care about democracy, this is where we should draw the line in the sand. We can no longer tolerate the Democrats playbook of personal destruction because regardless of whether it's true or not they've changed the narrative for three days now

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and they've you know, dismerged him and if he that's the one thing that people that you know folks on the left and people who don't like him hate about Trump it doesn't matter. I mean he knows that when something is not true but he comes out swinging

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and it always catches them so off guard and frankly I think by now, Mark Robinson kind of has lost that advantage and I feel badly that whoever he has around him, whoever he has on his team are two you know are in the old model and not to Trump model

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and the only thing that I feel badly about really is that and I understand why he can't do it but with with Trump with loyalty being such as a thing for president Trump, I wish that he had goodbye him.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_03]: No, well the loyalty for Trump only goes one way.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Well we don't we don't know that yeah we do. I don't. Yeah, yeah, we kind of do.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I will I will with whole judgment. Okay. Well, I mean this is another example of it though because he's not saying and here's the thing if this is if all of this stuff is true,

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't expect people to want to stand with him if all of this stuff is true like this is heinous nasty vile stuff that he posted up there.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't go into the details, but I mean it's it is grotesque. The sexual DV and C he's described.