The long game of Democrats' open borders strategy (05-20-2025--Hour3)

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Tom Holman worked on the southern border for years and that gave him gives him this, you know, experience and this insight into what exactly the human costs are of illegal immigration. And this is I've been making this argument ever since the immigration stuff really kind of became a story back in the early two thousands and there was, you know, efforts to implement two eighty seven G program in Charlotte, in Mecklemburg, and there were people getting killed from dui drivers that were here illegally, and it was difficult to get attention, It was difficult to get traction in the legislature and stuff. It just wasn't. It wasn't what it is now. Fast forward twenty five years of this and everybody's well fed up with the situation. Right, But because he worked the border for those years, he was down there. I think he said he was down there for like twenty five years, so probably was down there when all of it started getting really really bad, and he saw firsthand what I have been saying also, which is not that he's listening to me, but it's the same argument. It's the side of the Ledger that is never accounted for from Democrats and media. But I repeat myself in these open border activists, the human cost in lives, treasure abuse. Right, It's unfathomable when you open the border, tell people that you will get all of this stuff when you get here, and then they take the logical rational approach and say okay, I'll come, and then they experience these horrible things on the way. They get kidnapped, they get held for ransom by a rival cartel. I mean, it's some of the stories from that area. I remember covering. This was probably fifteen years ago. There was this I guess they were fighting, probably over the human trafficking routes at that time, the cartels were, and so they would go and hit the rival cartels. Drop houses they called them. So if you're a coyote and you're bringing you know, twenty thirty people across the border, you stash them someplace before you, you know, send them to go work in some factory someplace, or you're going to traffic them into the sex trade or whatever. You bring them across and you bring them to this house and you tell them okay, stay here, and you lock them in there, and then you coordinate payment, you coordinate travel to send them wherever they're going. And people don't know when they come across the border. They don't know if they're going to be sent to a drop house. They don't They may be deceived, right, So they end up in this drop house and then the cartels will raid the other cartels drop houses. Either they'll murder everybody in the house, they take them hostage, or they hold them for ransom, and they torture people on the phone with their loved ones back home in order to extort money out of the loved ones back home. This was a problem. I'm sure it still occurs, but I remember this was like a This became a big issue probably about fifteen years ago. So his experience on the border has informed his outlook on this. And when you keep your border open as we have, you are condemning people to death, to vi ailins, and to abuse. It wasn't rare to find a dead body of an illego alien that was making the journey and died making that journey because the smogglers don't care if you get sick. They're not calling nine to one one because that alien means nothing to him. Now, he's not going to get paid to get into this final destination. They just leave there to die. I know, I can't tell how many aliens we find near death's door making that journey, and we actually were able to get them help and save them. But the thing that really really affected me was two things. Number one talking to a little girl about nine years old that was part of the smoking group who was raped multiple times by members of the criminal carte nine years old. Yeah, and let me tell you so, it's toughest guy you want to be when you sit down and get on your knees. You talk to this little girl and I and everything in his and pure evan has been ripped from her where you can tell that she has no faith in humanity. I mean, this little girl's world was destroyed. She's never going to be the same. I don't care how much counselince she gets, right, And I'm a father and you think, you know, how can someone do that to such an innocent little girl? And it really changes who we are. I mean it's just like you know, I can't believe there's a human being out there that would would would do that to a little girl. The members of Cartells are animals. They don't care about these people. These people are commodity. And there's been several instances where you know, women and children that I've been involved when through an investigations were sexist ulted by the car tells us, you know, demanded as part of crossing them. Either across the desert or over the river, or just take it. It's just just just raping for the hell of it. I mean, I've seen rape trees. You don't worry. Uh, these smugglers would just hanging panties up in the tree as a trophy. And well, the nine year old girl shook me because then you realize just how inhumanities that these people are. Yeah, and that's never an account that's part of this discussion. Ever. No, we hear what we hear from democrats. Who's gonna who's gonna clean your bathrooms, who's gonna mow your yard? Well? What about what about that girl and all the others like her? Let me go over and talk to Ray here. Hello, Ray, welcome to the show. Oh Pete, I'm calling in since we're on this subject of legal aliens committing crime, just just to try to make more people wear whoever I can on the radio and bring it to the forefront. Uh. That my mother worked for several years with a lady. I won't mention her first name, but her last name was Gardener, and I knew the lady pretty well myself, and her family was Scott Gardner, and he and his family of wife and two kids were killed in a car crash with an illegal lady and several years ago. You might remember it. I do, I absolutely do. They were down there were they were at the beach right, they were coming back from the beach. I don't know where they were. I just I wasn't that familiar with her family. I just I just knew the lady through my mom working with her, and her last name being Gardener. She was probably pretty close related to them. So I just thought i'd bring that, bring that up while we were on the subject. Oh, I remember, I remember the story. I want to say they were from Gaston County maybe, And. I think so. The lady talking about that worked with my mother. Her and my mother worked at a sewing plant here in Gaston County. Yeah, because I remember I attended an event. It was at Congresswoman Sue Myrick's office, I believe, and Sheriff Jim Panograph was there from Mecklenburg and it was a focus on illegal immigration and the problems, and that story was front and center in that event. And I don't remember all the details about the event, but I remember being in that office. It was a media event. They brought in you know families, you know, victims, families and stuff, and they brought in law enforcement officials to try to raise the profile. And I remember the case absolutely. I believe they were down at the beach, they were on their way back, and it wiped out the whole family. So yeah, Ray, I appreciate the call, sir. Okay, yeah, thank you, thank you. Yeah. It's just an awful case. And I want to say it was probably about twenty years ago now, all right, So spring is here a time of renewal and celebrations. You've got graduations, weddings, anniversaries and the special days for mom and dad. Your family's making memories that are going to last a lifetime. But let me ask you, are all of those treasured moments from days gone by? Are they hidden away on old VCR tapes, eight millimeter films, photos slides? Are they preserved? Because over time, these precious memories can fade and deteriorate, losing the magic of yesterday. At Creative Video, they help you protect what matters most. Their expert team digitizes your cherished family moments and transfers them onto a USB drive, freezing them in time so they can be enjoyed for generations to come. I urge you do not wait until it's too late. This spring, celebrate your past. 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See several bodies on the ground because when those doors finally opened up, that people are such a rush to get air that they knock some dead bodies out of the truck onto the ground. On some dead bodies on the ground there. Then I got to the back of the tractor trailer and uh, I looked in the back of the tractor trailer, I just see that people, most of me in their underwear because they were trying to get some relief from the searing heat. And right away, so I looked at a key down a little boy and he was partially covered up by who later found out with his father who was protecting him. And I keyed in on him, and he was wearing the same color underwear. My little boy had same underwear and I had a five year old cent at the time, so right away I keyed in on him. So we had so I took an investigation. He also termed Houston flew in and the helicopter came to the crime scene. But what's going on. I was processing the crime scene. We had a guy taking pictures and I was telling him, don't take all these pictures. All I needed, but I told him that we were do the boy last. Uh and mainly because I couldn't handle it. That's the time. So we processed the crime scene and I testified to this, and I got angry when testimony with someone claimed I didn't care about dying children. He should have wore my shoes. I've seen a lot of dying children, dead children in my career. So when we got to the child, I knelt down beside him, I put my hand on him, and I said a prayer because I knew, based on the years I've done alien smart investigations, what a horrible, horrible death this child went through. He make the death. He told stories of. This. Uh in this podcast with Sean Ryan, The Sean Ryan Show. There was one coyote or smuggler who was bringing a family over. They were from Africa, I think he said, and it was a you know, mom and dad, a couple of small kids. Whatever. They threw them in the rather than get caught, they just threw them in the water, threw them in the river, and then turned around and drove off. And the family couldn't swim. They didn't care. They just threw them in the water. Right. That's the incentive structure that the prior administration and these NGOs and these activists have created. And then they have the audacity to accuse opponents of their policies of wanting children to be separated from their parents or two be killed to die or to be in cages. Right, Yet, this is the system that you guys ran, this incentivized system for people to make this journey and to be abused in these ways. The trailer that he was talking about there got up to one hundred and seventy five degrees. They said. The air compressor for the truck was turned off because the driver did not want to draw attention to the fact that he was hauling human cargo. Right, And if you've got that compressor running, some law enforcement pulls you over, they're going to say, why do you got the thing running in the back. You're obviously keeping something cool. What have you got in the back, Because if there's nothing back there, as you just told me probably right, then that would be at odds with why you're running the compressor. So let's take a look in the back, and then he would be busted. The driver was getting angry at the people in the back. He was on the phone with his cartel and he was mad because the people in the back were ripping apart his truck because they were baking to death, and so they had bashed out one of the tail light areas and they were trying to signal for help. Trying to get some air in there, trying to signal for help or something, and so he abandoned it on the side of the road, and he didn't even unlock the doors. He stopped the truck, left the doors locked, unhitched it, and drove away. Holman said fourteen people went to prison over that case. But he also said that he did not sleep for a week because of the experience with that little boy, and that's what prompted him to then go get help. But he also says that's why he always says this. He woke up every day mad during the Biden administration. Every day for four years, he would wake up angry. And that's why because he knew that that's occurring again. This stuff now continues and it gets worse and worse, and more and more people, more and more kids die. Because he knew what the open border would do, because he had seen what occurred before. He knew there would be more death, he knew there would be more rapes, there would be more suffering, more drugs flowing across the border, all of it. And so when you know, Donald Trump gave him a call and said do you want to come back? He said absolutely, let's fix this. So why would you implement such an inhumane policy? Why would you do something like this at all of the human cost, all of the suffering, all of the death, Why would you do this? Well, Tom Holman has he has an idea and it may sound familiar, all right, if you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app and it's a website and it combines news from around the world in one place so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, dot news slash pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. I started using ground News a few months ago and more recently chose to work with them as an affiliate because it lets me see clearly how stories get covered and by whom. The blind spot feature shows you which stories get ignored by the left and the right. 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I don't remember the details of why I was there, just remember it was an immigration related thing, it was in Gaston County, and it was because of that case. So thanks Dennis. I appreciate that. I do recall. I do recall now that you've refreshed my memory. So. The Washington Times reports that in the past the charges of felony reentry have only been used sporadically, but under Biden they plunged. Out of roughly one hundred forty thousand illegal immigrants apprehended by border patrol agents in March of twenty twenty four, just nine hundred eleven of the one hundred forty thousand were charged with illegal entry, or seven out of a thousand cases. By comparison, this past March, the latest data that's available, agents record awarded eight thousand, two hundred arrests. Prosecutors brought two thousand, six hundred four cases. That is a rate of three eighteen per thousand cases. That represents a forty five hundred percent increase. Illegal re entry cases have shot up as well, went from twelve thousand, forty six last year in March to almost three thousand this past March. That's one hundred and forty percent increase as well. See, when you prioritize particular enforcement, then you send the deterrence message and and you remove the people, you get them out. It can be done. Jonathan Faye, a former federal prosecutor up in Virginia, who served as acting head of US Immigration and Customs Enforcement at the end of the first Trump administration, said, the lack of prosecutions under Biden is another symptom of an open borders policy. Quote. They didn't want to prosecute these cases, even with the most serious offenders. They wanted illegal immigration, and they would do anything they could to encourage it, except when he said, duh, do right. So this leads to the question of why Holman on the Sean Ryan Show said that Joe Biden unsecured the border on purpose. This was not incompetence, This was not mismanagement. This was intentionally said. Because when President Biden signed over ninety executive orders destroying everything that President Trump did and Trump forty five. He also overturned to Trump's census rule, which means the man's the people they release in the United States, that'll becount the next census. Most of the sanctuary cities, which means what when they proportioned their seats and House me it's more seats than House with the deempts, and also I think their future Democratic voters there. It is what have I been saying. It's about the apportionment. He is exactly right. On January twentieth, twenty twenty one, this report from NPR quote, one of President Biden's first executive actions has reversed former President Donald Trump's unprecedented policy of altering a key census count by excluding unauthorized immigrants. The change ensures that the US continues to follow more than two centuries of precedent in determining representation in Congress and the electoral College. Right. But why why did Trump do that? Because you had seen the increase in illegal immigration prior to Trump arriving. He ran on it. Remember, nobody was even talking about this topic before I came down the Escaleta. You know, he wanted the border wall, he wanted a restrained immigration. Why because it was a problem. It's been a problem since Reagan cut the deal in the eighties. So he says, you know what census is coming up. We're not going to count these unauthorized immigrants because you guys have been flooding the country with more and more people, allowing them to stay and counting them towards the census. Hours after he was sworn in as president, Biden signed an executive order that calls for all US residents whether you're in the country legally or not to be counted in state population numbers that, according to the fourteenth Amendment, must include the whole number of persons in each state. Right, So you bring everybody in and then you got this. The constitutional law is that you have to count whole number of persons. So Democrats knew that, so they brought in all the people so we can count more people in the these areas that elect Democrats, and then we'll get more seats in Congress, and we'll get a lasting, permanent majority in the House. Another firewall, another blue firewall. So Trump tries to get at that and says, no, we're going to stop it. Oh, you can't stop it. He got sued, and then Biden reversed the order. The state counts are used once a decade to reallocate each state's share of electoral votes and the four hundred and thirty five seats in the House of Representatives. Since the first national headcount in seventeen ninety, those counts have never omitted any residents because of immigration status. Biden's order also rescinded an executive order that Trump issued in twenty nineteen as part of a project at the Census Bureau to produce citizenship data using government records as an alternative to Trump's failed push to add a citizenship question to the census form. You remember this fight. They wouldn't even They don't even want you to ask the question because it's about power. This is the long game. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. Whether you're celebrating an anniversary, a honeymoon, maybe you want to plan a memorable proposal, or get family and friends together for a big old reunion, Cabins of Asheville has the ideal spot for you where you can reconnect with your loved ones and the things that truly matter. 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This is why I've brought to the sound bites, because it's confirmation that I do. I do think like I might have an idea what I'm talking about here. If Tom Homan is saying it, then obviously I'm not alone in saying it or thinking it right. And I've seen research. I guess it was probably a couple of years ago that had illegal aliens not been counted in the census, it would have deprived democrats of somewhere in the neighborhood of about twenty seven seats, twenty four to twenty seven seats. It's all based on estimates. It's an illegal population. It's hard to track. You don't know where they are, you don't know you know how many. So that was some of the research I had seen. So Democrats are at risk of being in a perpetual minority in the House, in the House of Representatives if they lose population, as they have been losing population in the states that they control, California, New York. They've already lost congression. California lost a seat for the first time ever in twenty twenty, even with all of the illegal immigration into California. Right, that's the long term strategy. And secondarily, there is a belief that the people coming up are going to vote Democrat. I don't know if that's the case. I think there are things that people coming from South and Central America being Catholic, I don't think that they are on board with everything that the left is, you know, promoting. But for now, it keeps them, It keeps them in a position where they can contest and maybe win majorities in the House. That goes away so here, he says, Democrats are employing. Yes, this long term strategy. Here's the last home and clip. Or not? Why why is it frozen? Why why did it freeze? Let's try you again. They're playing the long game, they're smart at it. Overwhelm the system. Let's bring ten point five man encounters to the border, release them without proper betting, because all they care about was the optics. If there's no overcrowding in the sea, if there's no overcrowding, we could say the border secure, which they did. Borbitual agents were ordered process quickly, released quickly because if there's no overcrowding, there's nothing to see here. So of course they weren't vetted properly. Didn't have time to vet them properly. Why did they release millions of people into the United States rather than putting them in an empty ice bed, an ice bed owned by ICE, contracted by Ice at one hundred and twenty seven dollars a night. Why did they not fill that bed? But they rather release them to Nangil. Get put in a hotel at five hundred bucks a night, get three three meals a day, get free medical care, and get and not only that, they get flown into the city their choice. They say, what they want to go, we flew them there by administration, put them a hotel room five hundred bucks a night, give them three meals a day, free medical care. Why did they do that instead of putting them in the ice facility one hundred and twenty seven dollars a night because they knew exactly what they're doing. They know if they go into ice detention, they get a hearing within forty days based on real debt. If an immigration court, nearly nine out of ten people claim asylum will get ordered to remove. Because they don't qualify for asylum, they get removed. That's not what they wanted. Overwhelm the system because once you're out of the system, you've got the detained docket. Immigration court prioritizes the detained docket, but once you release them, now they're on the non detained docket, sitting in the hotel room. Hearing's going to take three five seven years, depending on what location you're on. If you want to exhaust all you appeals, maybe nine years. They overwhelmed the system because it's going to take years to get these people through the process. And what happens then we're hoping for a democratic administration. Now you can warn Amnesty they're playing the long game. They overwhelmed the system on purpose. They did not detain them on purpose. On purpose. Nine out of ten asylum seekers, he says, are denied asylum requests, which they get within they get their hearings within forty days. You'd arrest somebody at the border. You bring them to a detention facility one hundred and twenty seven dollars a night for the bed forty days, within forty days, you run them through an asylum court. The court nine out of ten times says you're not actually covered under the asylum program, and so you got to go back. So what do you do, Well, you don't send them into the detention, You send them home, give them a notice to appear. It's catch and release, right, say oh okay, well you going to come back and we'll hear it later. And it takes years to do that. You file appeals. That adds more years and years. And he says, you're overwhelming the system, which is Cloward and Piven, nineteen sixties era sociologist laid out the plan for the left overwhelm the system. This is not a new strategy, but it is a long term strategy. That's what we're dealing with now, and God bless Tom Holman and Donald Trump for trying to try to stop this. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.