The left built the "groyper" reaction (11-12-2025--Hour3)

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Part of it also, though, is sort of a natural tendency, as I mentioned earlier in the show, the fourth Turning reference, where the generations that you learn from are the two previous ones, and the fourth Turning theory spells out that each turning lasts about a generation about twenty years, and it runs in cycles and we are in the fourth turning, which is the crisis or winter, if you will, And the reason for that is that the current generation does not remember the last winter. They were not alive for it, and there isn't anybody alive that they can talk to about it. So how do you guard against that? Well, you have to teach the lessons from the previous turnings, the previous crises. Unfortunately, this is why I put a lot of the blame into the into the education system. It's because we don't teach this. Did you know that this is anti Communism Week? That's in my stack of stuff here as well. Uh. President Trump issued a proclamation the other day, November two through the eighth. Sorry, last you know, last week was Anti Communism Week, so I missed it, dang it. But I'm still anti communists. Like this is not taught the horrors of communism. This was covered up. The horrors of communism was covered up as it was occurring. You can thank the media for that. New York Times. I'm looking in your direction. The woeful lack of historical understanding dooms the generations to repeat their great grandparents' mistakes or their great great grandparents' mistakes that led to the previous Fourth turning. And in American history, by the way, our fourth turnings occur with regularity. You know, eighty years ago World War two, eighty years before that, the Civil War, I think, eighty years before that, the Revolutionary War. Right, these crises occur on a pretty regular basis in American history, and we are due for one again. And this is what I'm looking at and saying, this sure seems like a fourth turning crisis. The nihilism expressed by the gropers who just want to burn it all down if they have even any thoughts about what replaces it. Some of the stuff that Fuente says and has said on his popular YouTube or Rumble show. Guy's got like a million followers on Rumble or something. And these are mainly young men gen z and they believe that the whole post World War II liberal order has utterly failed them. They have grown up in a system that has designated them as the oppressors, even though they're you know, eleven years old. But they have been steeped in this Marxist thought. And the nihilists on the left want to tear down the post World War II order liberal order as well and replace it with communism. And they also both groups. They both also hate the Jews, which they are like the canary in the coal mine here because it never ends with the Jews. So I will offer a counterpoint here. This was in chroniclesmagazine dot org piece by John Harris, host of Conversations That Matter podcast documentarian as well. He's an author, producer, cultural commentator, and he wrote a piece a little while ago called is there a Woke Right? And he talks about because this was the first term that was sort of applied to it, but and I use that term too, but like I think it's it's much deeper. It's nihilism. It's a desire to just see everything burn, especially with the gropers. And I don't think they are on the right because when you listen to them talk, there isn't anything conservative and conservative is on the right. Conservative is you know, preserve, protect the institution. If you're going to make changes, you do the incrementally. You know, liberty over tyranny, individual liberty, freedom, free markets, right that we are the masters of our own destiny, resilience, faith, family, all of those types of components of the ideology and groperism doesn't have that. They don't espouse that stuff. They're not even maga. According to their leader Fuentes, he just he's a troll. Basically, he's an online troll. I've gone over some of the stuff he said, so I'm not going to go back over it now. But this this attempt to you know, well, actually he has some good points. No, and like, and I said this at the time after the interview that he did with Tucker Carlson, Like, if that's going to be your side, if you're on that side, I'm not on your side, very clearly not on your side, because I don't believe anything you believe, and I'm not a nihilist. The term woke accompanied the Black Lives Matter movement as a way to describe a heightened awareness of social disparities and the revolutionary spirit required to remove and replace the structures supposedly responsible for them. Like other analytical tools inspired by cultural Marxism, such as identity politics critical theory, wokeness targeted the cultural foundations of Western civilization, aiming to replace them with a new order that promised a future form of social equality yet to be realized. Because of its rigid ideology, its negative consequences and the extent to which it blamed innocuous and fundamental social features for reinforcing oppression. The movement became discredited in the minds of many, and the term became a pejorative. I'd say that's true. Although the originated with the revolutionary left, some use it today to discredit certain elements on the right that are less liberal and more aligned with older conservative views, which I would disagree with that as well. He then goes on to quote and talk about several people inside. You know, you got James Lindsay in there, there's a bunch of people talking about the woke right. He comes to Seth Dillon, the CEO of the Babylon b He called the woke right a mirror image of the woke left, since they used the same rhetoric, the same methods, the same grievance and identity framework. Neil Shenvy, a chemist who runs a Christian apologetics blog, made similar points and added that the wolk right is embracing the ideas and methods of critical theory, namely an oversimplification of social dynamics. Political commentator Constantin Kissing accurately identified some of the civilizational threats conservatives are concerned about, like the World Economic Forum, mass immigration policies, and anti family rhetoric. But he compared these threats to the left's discredited obsession with systemic racism and suggested that the right might turn to an authoritarian figure if their concerns were not addressed through democratic means. Kissing argued that Tucker Carlson was already laying the groundwork for this shift and was therefore woke. He calls these these cases an example of a false equivalence being drawn between Christian right thinking and social justice ideology, although I would point out that there are people on this uh uh Christian nationalism in that in that group that do play foot see with some of the social justice ideology. They say so, like you can go find their social media accounts, and they talk about like, well, not all of the Marxist critical thinking stuff is, you know for the birds. We just apply it here to us, almost like the ring, you know, Lord of the Rings, Like you know, maybe I it's got so much power, just it requires somebody like me to hold it. You know. The real question is whether the rhetoric is true or is driven by a false ideology. Every political approach seeks to protect preferred groups from perceived threats. Even liberals view themselves as collectively opposing groups that threaten their agenda. Ironically, much of the critique of the Wolke right is written in this defensive spirit. If engaging in political analysis that identifies general threats from powerful institutions and seeks to preserve the social order, seeks to preserve the social order equals left critical theory, which aims to deconstruct the social order through an ideological framework, then there's a serious conflation at play. So you're saying all of that is to say, we are not the same. So this guy John Harris at Chronicles magazine is saying they're not the same. The Wolk Riot is not the Wolke Left, that they were not the same. You're conflating these things and they're different. Which brings me, though to a piece by Mikhail Olsen op ed contributor and excuse me contributor and to the federalist YouTuber and to do specializing in commentary on Christian theology and conservative politics, and she wrote a piece for the Christian Post Christian Nationalism the right wing quote unquote, the right wing over correction we have seen before. That's a question, and she's going to walk through. I'm going to give you these examples. I'm going to give you the highlights of her piece. She's going to walk through the examples of these types of over corrections to the excesses of the left. We have examples, all right. If you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too. And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. 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Their critiques of the radical left are often correct. They rightly oppose abortion, LGBTQ ideology, big pharma, abuse and foreign relations and spending, and unchecked mass immigration. Their emphasis on a moral and religious society is on point. Their outrage at the widespread corruption of the Biden administration among decades of outright federal betrayal is also well founded. They're also largely justified in calling out the rot within evangelical circles, particularly the compromised leadership of Big EVA, where progressive theology and politics have infiltrated the church. Their rejection of World economic form style globalism is prudent as well. But you knew there was a butt coming. You could smell the butt. Never mind, but they risk swinging the pendulum too far, replacing one form of tyranny with another and building a system that threatens individual liberty and freedom of conscience. The very foundation of the American experiment, all under the guise of societal stability, structure, safety, power, and quote unquote holy tradition. And we've seen this movie before. Fascism, for example, as a political force, it did not emerge in a vacuum. It was a visceral reaction, a quote unquote right wing reaction to a world spiraling into chaos after World War One. She then goes on to say later that by nineteen nineteen, communist uprisings had erupted in various countries, threatening to topple fragile governments and replace them with Soviet style rule. This naturally led to the brute backlash that we call fascism in Italy, the Biennio Rosso, the two Red Years, that's what they called it. From nineteen nineteen to nineteen twenty, it saw socialist strikes, factory occupations, street clashes that paralyzed the nation. The liberal government floundered, unable to restore order into this breach, steps Benito Mussolini, a former socialist turned nationalist. His Black Shirts paramilitary squads crushed leftist agitators promising a return to quote unquote Roman glory. For many Italians at the time, weary of further leftist instability, this was not tyranny. It was salvation. It was safety over freedom, it was safety and relief. Right, that's the overreaction to the left. This is what I see gropers as. This is the overreaction to the left. What the left has put the country through for the last sixty years is now manifesting itself as a nihilistic cult in the form of these gropers. And there are a lot of people that are, you know, dipping their toes into that little bubble over there, and that bubble will detach. Be careful, you're not in it because there's no coming back. You know. Stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life, and our stories are told through images and videos. 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So yeah, in my estimation, the left built the groper reaction, the stuff that we have been fighting for twenty five years, that I in my position as a reporter and then as a host, like all of these issues that the Gropers, that the gen Z, the Zoomers, the zoomer cons, and even the people on the left, when they point to all of these ills of the society, it's like I've been fighting these same things, and so they see it all as proof that all is lost, the system has failed, and the post World War two liberal order needs to be raised and then something else rebuilt. And to the left we have clarity. They want communism for the gropers and that band of nihilists, they're just in it to see it burn. I'm not even sure they know what they want to see. Some of them like they're like, yea white nationalism or a Christian nationalism or some other thing, some other form. Some people on that side that you know, play foot see with the gropers. They've thrown out some ideas. But what Mikhail Olsen documents in her in her post at the Christian Post, she says, we have historical examples of it right after World War One? When when when that order collapsed, the liberal order collapsed, and what did we see? She already mentioned, and I gave you the highlights of what occurred in Italy, the rise of fascism there in Germany, you know, bleaker still Adolf Hitler, some obscure agitator in Munich's beer holes, seized on the despair in Germany. He, like other authoritarian strong men, did not let a good crisis go to waste. Right, his Nazi Party gained traction as a lunatic or not as a lunatic fringe but as the lone bulwark against the red tide of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engel's communist manifesto applied right, they were opponents to that. They beat down those Commis in the streets. Go over to Spain, Francisco Franco, there's another lens the Second Spanish Republic from nineteen thirty one to thirty nine. Descend it into chaos as leftist factions, socialists, anarchists, and commis pushed radical quote unquote reforms. Franco, a devout Catholic and military man, rallied a coalition of conservatives, monarchists, and fascists. His victory in nineteen thirty nine established a dictatorship that lasted until nineteen seventy five, blending Catholic traditionalism with authoritarian control. And by the way, I've heard people on the right talk about this like this is the model that they would like to pursue, a Francoist type of a model. She goes on to say history repeats itself. Fear of Marxism was not abstract. It was measurable in these countries, riots, assassinations, and then electoral gains for radical parties. I'm Donnie Fascism thrived by exploiting this fear, offering unity and strength where liberalism seemed weak. Today, Christian nationalism in the United States flirts with a parallel misstep. The cultural left's excesses, things like drag queen story hours for kindergarteners, you know, gender surgeries for minors, porous borders. All of this stuff fuels a sense of moral siege, that we are under siege. We've talked about this for twenty years, and the temptation is then clear. If the Left is a cultural wrecking ball, why not wield a righteous hammer and crush them? That's the allure to make it stop. Fascism's promise of order oftentimes ends in chains, though C. S. Lewis warned in Mere Christianity, published in nineteen forty three, he said, of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. Now, Mikhail Olson, she says, the better way is to preserve what we have, a constitutional republic like ours. This is the antidote, precisely because it rejects these extremes. It's rooted in checks and balances. It disperses power through Congress and courts and states which temper any single factions zeal. The First Amendment guards free speech and religion. That ensures neither Marxists nor theocrats can monopolize truth. Article four guarantees every state a republican form of government, not a theocracy or a dictatorship. So she says, the US system, for all its messiness, forces compromise over coercion, preserving liberty amid chaos. Ditching it out of fear repeats the same mistakes of the twentieth century. The gravest error you would just be, you know, fleeing one ditch only to plunge into another. So that's why I seek to conserve this. And if your view is to burn it down, then again I am not on your side. I will never be on your side. Here's a great idea. How about out making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina? Just a quick drive up the mountain and cabins of Ashville is your connection. 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On living within your means. I used to do financial counseling at our church. I was always surprised by how many people making significantly more than me two to three times our family income were in so much worse shape because of their debt and consumption habits. Right, and I do have a piece in here I'll get back to about the culture of narcissism and how advertising pushes this instant gratification and such, and it's a hollow return. You know. This is from mcdellinger. I love what you're talking about today. Growing up years ago, we got fruit and nuts in our stockings at Christmas. Everything is overdone today. Kids today are not grateful. They expect the best. Yeah, that's part of it. And part of it is I think a very natural desire by parents to want to give more to their kids and say, well, I didn't have a whole lot when I was a kid, so I'm going to make sure that you have more than I had. And you know, and grandparents too. I see this. I have seen it. They shower the kids with presents, and whatever the kids want they get and at Christmas, and then if they don't end up getting something that they want, and I saw this firsthand, they get angry. They get resentful that they didn't get something that they thought they were going to get, and they ignore all the things that they did get. And I understand the disappointment. I have been there myself. Okay, But I think all of this stuff plays a role to varying degrees. The hellion over on the WBT text line, driven by liberty Buick GMC says Jesse Kelly, the talk show host out of Texas. I believe Jesse Kelly warns constantly that we better get things fixed or a real dictator from one extreme or another will show up that nobody wants. Well, I would just add that nobody eventually wants because I think initially people will want the dictator, you know, that's why they get into power in the first place. And this is what the left keeps saying about Donald Trump. By the way, that's what the whole note kings think. They're feeding this fear. They keep feeding that feeding. He is here, he is it, he is the he's the dictator. Here he comes, you know, and that's mainly just because they lost power. But anyway, Jeanie says, great topics and subjects you have brought up in today's show. Absolutely correct information about the fourth generation issue, the fourth turning. I learned a lot from my grandparents watching their struggles. My husband and I have always lived below our means. We are happily retired, not rich, but comfortable and don't have to worry about money besides a mortgage and a car payment if you can't pay it off at the end, of the month. Then you don't need it. If you want it, save for it. That's the way we live. We have no bills. Growing up, we watched our parents and grandparents and learned our life lessons through them. Thanks again, Pete for talking about subjects that our younger generation need to listen to and understand. I've been listening to you for a long time and your show just keeps getting better and better. Genie and guest, well, thank you, Jeanie, although I have to admit it's probably not that high of a bar to keep step over considering where I started. I mean, how could I go anywhere? But better? You know? So there is that, and Susie says, so bring information today. Please share the links via email as soon as you can. Thank you. Conservatives must push back against this dark force. All of them are on my Patreon page. All the links are free. You can get them there. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to dpetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.