The Iron Law of Woke Projection never fails | Hour 3

What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, my daily show prep with all of the links, become a patron, go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Make sure you hit the subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your smartphone or tablet, and again, thank you so much for your support. So I was going to go first to the start the hour with the Iran war update, but bunch of people on the text line wanting to talk about last hour's discussion about the Shelby police officer who has been fired and picked up a criminal charge, a misdemeanor assault charge for the way that he took a woman into custody. They had responded to a breaking and entering call and there was a ring doorbell camera footage that was posted onto the social media showing the cop taking the woman down. Well, the first it starts off with both of the people in frame and within two seconds the cop has taken her to the ground, but the beginning of the video shows that she is she's got her hands on him. That's how it starts. He then takes her to the ground. She starts kicking. He's got her arms, he's trying to pin her to the ground to cuff her. And then he starts. She's got her right arm lifted. He's holding her by that right wrist in his left hand, and her other arm is flailing around, and he's punching her in the face. And within about five seconds, his partner makes it over to where he is and to and where she is. The partner makes it over, and the partner starts saying, let her go, let her go, I got her, I got her, And they then the two of them stand her up. They attempt to put handcuffs on her. The first officer succeeds in getting a handcuff on her right hand. They never do get a cuff on her other hand. As far as I can tell, she's standing there the whole time, and she's got her arms kind of like pinned to the side of her body, and so they're not able to force her hands behind her back to cuffer. I don't know if they weren't trying very hard, I don't know. So now we've got the circus in town. You got Benjamin Crump here and he's, you know, gonna be suing. I'm sure they're gonna get paid. In fact, I got a text along these very lines. I will find it here to do. Newton apparently said something about this. That's that she's gonna get paid. Now, that's what Cam Newton said. I don't know this to be true. That's what somebody on the text line said. Cam Newton's got a podcast, so you know, maybe he discussed it. However, my point in all of this is I want all the information. I want the I want to see the bodycam footage. I want to see what happened before the altercation, right. I want to see the call for service, the nine one one dispatch call. I want to see the other officers bodycam footage. I want to know, like they were called for a breaking and entering? Well, was this like a violent being? He? Was she trying to kick in a door or something like? What was that initial call? There is also apparently a history between these two people, Sherry Moore and the police former police officer Carson Hyder. According to court documents, Moore ran from Hyder as he attempted to arrest her on a breaking and entering allegation. Okay, so that's what precipitated the videocam footage was that she ran first. She ran from the police, from the officer. The assault charge states More was quote grabbing and ripping Hider's uniform during the encounter. Court records also show More and Hider have a history. Last year, More pleaded guilty to resisting an officer in a separate case that also involved officer Hyder. Okay, so these I don't know how well like they each remembered the other from that previous incident. I don't know if he was like the officer she was resisting or what. But she has a history. She has also, according to her lawyer, Benjamin Crump, she has schizophrenia, she's bipolar. After the confrontation and she was stood up, that's when she says that she's not taking any of her meds, where she says, I'm not on any medication. She asked to go to a mental health center, to go to a mental crisis center. She says, call my daddy, Call my daddy, and she keeps asking the officers to call her father. Now there is a point to be made here, just like when people claim that they are injured, so they get taken to the hospital. Police officers will tell you they are not always telling the truth sometimes. Now this may be difficult to believe, but sometimes people in order to avoid going right to jail, they will say that they are hurt, so they go first to a hospital. They use it as a way to delay going to jail. Or maybe if I if I go to this center, then the mental health center, or I go to a hospital, I can talk to the police officer and then we can maybe like not send me to jail, and all of this, always trying to find a way out of it. Right, People do that, especially people who have been in the system. They know the things to say right in order to avoid going directly to jail. Is that what happened here? I don't know, don't I'm not saying I do know. However, this is part of what anybody should be doing if you are actually interested in finding out the facts surrounding a particular story. And from the very beginning of the last hour, apparently people didn't hear this, so I will say it again. The purpose in asking the questions, particularly early on, is because people have vested interests in crafting narratives that then harden that calcify, and then using those narrative tives for their own purposes. And when somebody like Benjamin Crump shows up to town, that's what we are seeing happen. So I want more information. I want to know all of the stuff, and for that I am a racist. Apparently. I haven't mentioned the race of any of the people involved in this story because to me it's not relevant, but to some people it's the only thing that's relevant. So Sherry Moore is black, and the original officer that punched her, he's white. The other police officer who came and said let her go, he's black. The other two officers who showed up, they're white. So just in case now you need to change your opinions about the facts of the case. There you go. Now you know the races of all the people involved in Now you can make your determinations based on their race. I don't do that, but some people prefer to only look at everything through a racialized prism, like Kevin. On the text line, Kevin is apparently obsessed with the race, and he says, what is it one hundred pound? I think you mean to say, what if it what if. It one hundred pound white girl and a black cop punching her in the face, You racist bleeps would feel differently about that. See, Kevin assumes that I look at everything through a racialized prism, because Kevin does see iron law of woke projection. Because you see things like that, you assume everyone does. And so if you're having these racist thoughts, I must have them too. To me, it doesn't matter. That doesn't matter unless you've got some information available that he's yelling out racial slurs, or this guy's a racist, he's got tattoos or something, you know whatever. Unless you've got some evidence to support your allegation that race is somehow a motivating factor, then you are just making that up. You are projecting that onto everybody else because you see that. Which is why I responded to him on the text line, okay, racist, because that's what a racist does. He says, you. Know, you would feel differently if it was a little white girl getting punched in the face by black eye repeatedly. Now see, you are attempting to normalize antisocial behavior. That's what Kevin is doing, and he's using the patina of race in order to shut down any argument against it. I have been very consistent about this for a very long time. You don't get to touch cops. You don't get to engage in violence against cops. If you do, you will probably meet a lot of violence in return. That's the deal. Don't get to beat up cops. Pretty simple rule. It was a well understood shared rule too for a long time. You know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life, and our stories are told through images and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video started in nineteen ninety seven and Minhill, North Carolina. 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Let her apply for some of that J six compensation money and maybe she could split it with them and everybody will be the winner. I don't well, they got rid of that's the J six compen it's the weaponization fund THEGA that that thing is dead. So ain't no money too bad? No welcome, Yeah, I am all about solutions. D. I appreciate the call. It's uh yeah, that thing is dead in the water. James, Welcome to the show. Hello James, James, James, you are muted. James. I think think you have muted yourself. It's just like I don't he hear anything. That's a very good mute. Right, Let'll just put you back on hold. Back to the text line, let's see here do do do? That's so mm hmm okay. Bain says, if the officer shot and killed, or if the officer was shot and killed, would the story be how the system failed them, both the woman with mental health issues and the over aggressive officer. It's early in the process. It doesn't look good at this stage. We pray for wisdom and healing. Yeah, oh no, Look, that's why I keep saying, like the fact that he was fired immediately, that's not usual. And he got a charge. You got a miss demeanor assault charge too thrown on him. He turned himself in, bailed out. So I am kind of curious for everybody that's like, and I think James's comment was something like, what if it was your daughter? Okay, well, so what do you want? What do you want to see happen to the cop? And you folks on the text line that are all out rage that I'm wanting more information. I want to see what led up to it. I want the full context. How dare I do that? How dare I want more information? Right? The cop is obviously he's getting punished. He already has been punished. He lost his job and this is going to be on his record now. Any other police agency he tries to apply for this is going to follow him. And he's got a criminal charge now against him. So what else do you want? Be specific? Tell me, like you want to throw him in prison for what a decade? Like, what's in your mind? What is the punishment that should go onto the cop for the for the thirty seconds of punch throwing that you saw on the video clip? Tell me I'm curious to know because another well here, I'll get it. Well, yeah, I'll get let me see, I'll jump ahead. This was another Kevin I think. Yeah, first off, love your show, But all I've heard for the last bit is what about ism? The officer messed up and you made the argument that he should get the same punishment as any other criminal. I E let off easy. I disagree. The Bible says at Luke twelve forty eight that whoever has a lot of responsibility will have more expected of him. Okay, So Kevin Scott, tell me what should the punishment be? How long do you want him to go to prison for a misdemeanor or do you want him charged with a felony or do you want something else, what do you want from the guy? What do you want? What's the punishment for him? And my quote what about ism, which I responded, was to highlight the double standards that when you actually have sociopaths, when you have people engaged in antisocial behavior, violent behavior. The same people who are now demanding the cops head on a spike, they are the same ones who are out there arguing for decarceration. They're the ones that are advocating for no cash bail. They're the ones that are saying defund the police. Right, So all I'm doing is highlighting the fact that you guys have this one standard for criminals. But when somebody engages in criminal activity and you don't like them, you don't like their job, or maybe you don't like their race, now you want justice. Now you want something heavier, right, you want a big penalty on that guy. Kevin then says, I understand the fact that the good all Boy network didn't hesitate to fire and press charges should be all that is need to know that there is nothing else beside a two hundred pound man beating down a one hundred pound woman. I think my Kevin reply is more middle of the road than that Kevin won, but that Kevin makes for a better show. I guess I love. When people do these little the like you're not you're not being clever, Kevin number two, Like I understand what your intent is there, Like you won't read this comment on the air, You're just doing this because it's better for the show, Like that is an attack on motive. See, I recognize the tactics. I've been doing this a long time. So you're not as clever as you may think you are on that, Kevin, Like, I understand the reason why you make those digs. Like you're not going to read this because I'm too middle of the road. I'm I'm making a better point. I actually don't think you're making a better point. But I did read your text. I just have a lot of texts to read, Kevin, so I'm sorry if I didn't get to yours immediately. I was called a redneck as well. Beth's favorite Russ says, sure, some of us have accepted you despite your Yankee roots, Pete, but you are at least another fifteen years from even being even being considered for the honorarium of redneck's. See. I do think it takes a long time to get that. Also, he says, these things are so rarely what they seem, whether it's a school fight, interaction at a store, or especially involving police. I try to wait before making any opinion. The more sensational it looks, the more time or more information I will give it. But as I'm pretty sure, no one gets ben Crump involved because they just want justice. His main function is to get people angry and get people and himself paid and a little bit more fame. Correct, When Benjamin Crump shows up on a case, my antenna goes off, my radar goes off for that, Okay, because of his history, he was the guy for Trayvon Martin, among others. Right, So, all I'm doing is pointing out that there's a lot of information that people do not have. And if you only want to look at that one clip and say that's all I need to see in order to have a fully formed opinion about the event, that's fine. You can do that. I don't. I want the full context. I understand what I saw in the clip. I watched enough times. I know what I saw excessive, I would agree unwarranted, Like if he had punched her once, would that have been warranted. Is it the number of times that he punched her? Because remember they never did they never did get her in cuffs. The fact, I mean he punched her ten times and still was unable to control her. So I mean, like I just I asked that question. I don't know if that says something about training? Are we are we sure now that we have James back? Okay? Nick has assured me that he actually got proof of life that James is on the line. Hello, Jans right here, yes, Jans right here, all right, welcome to the show. All right, how are you good? What's up? That's just the one hundred pound lady, right, one hundred pound lady get punched ten times by a cop. Just happened then Shelby, North Carolina. And then a cop killer gets caught in North Carolina and he makes it back to the gets arrested and he ain't got not one bruise on him. That's just sort of, you know, sort of weird, you. Know, just why, well, let's walk No, it's not weird at all. Let's walk through why maybe those two and I don't know the case that you're talking about with the cop killer, the cop from Virginia. Right, you got Kendle Virginia. They called him in North Carolina. Right, So what were the circumstances around his arrest? What was it? Well, it was a willderness check that ended up in the cop killing. Right. No, No, I mean but when they actually when they took him into custody, like, what happened? Nothing happened? He shouldn't the custody nice and just the way you got arrested. Oh wait, wait wait all right, So so are you saying then that there's a difference in the way that maybe he interacted with law enforcement versus the way she interacted with law enforcement. No, maybe it's a different way that law enforcement interacted with the young lady. I mean it's mental Okay, here's here's one thing. Let me let me go this way first with North Carolina. Here's a problem with North Carolina and South Carolina. Does this? South Carolina has sometimes they have mental health workers that ride with the cops, and I think North Carolina should bring on a program like that. And I'm not trying to defend the young lady, nor am I trying to defame the cop. You know, it's a bad situation all around. Are let me say this too. I'm not a Democrat and knowing to my Republican so I'm independent. So I think both sides of idiots and don't work together. But that's just my opinion. So I will tell you that North Carolina, as part of one of their reform packages that they ran in the legislature, does include I think this was part of the Arena's law that they passed last year. There is a component there for the mental health. I don't know what. They're not interveners, but like mental health professionals to be dispatched. But they're ramping the program. Yeah, and we need it in North Carolina. And like I said, it's a bad situation. And even if she did brushing, I mean, I'm going to be honest with your ten punches. That's a little excessive. I seeing the young lady face on the news that was you know, it doesn't look good. You know what I'm saying. No, I agree, it does not look good. And it was accessive. And you said, and you said, you know, do you file him? Do you do this? I don't. I don't think that he should be suspended. Uh, he should have to be retrained because you know of the ten punches. It didn't have to be ten. You know, but if it was one that. I don't think. I don't think. I don't think he should be charged with a feeling. He I don't. I'm not even gonna be a my African American. I'm not even gonna go that far. Was it a sense? Is it was very excessive. If it been one punch, it still wouldn't have been any better. I mean, he has his stick that he can pull out and here on the legs. No they don't, they don't. No, they don't use those anymore. Or they don't use those. Now, those night sticks they were too they were too mean. I'll be honest with you on that one. You know, And you know, it's it's a difficult situation. He could have tasted Yeah, he could have tasted her. He could have did I don't but I don't know if they're allowed to do that, you know, like I nowadays, Like I don't know. And this is a problem that a lot of law enforcement officers cite when they you know, when they quit basically, which is like we were not allowed to do our jobs. We can't and and and the video, I mean, the video looks very very bad. Yeah, that's and I want to say, I'm listening. I'm listening to how you saw it, you know, and I'm looking at it the way I saw it. My version is a little different than your version. How is yours? How is your version different my version? I mean, she was okay, they was called out because somebody was breaking it in and I can't even say they was saying that it was the young lady for me. Yeah, I don't know that either. Yeah, I don't know if they had a suspect description or something or what. All we know is that cops showed up on a B and E call. This cop then tries to arrest her before they go on camera here, and she ran from him. So what we see is the end of whatever pursuit had occurred. That So like there's this big gap at the front end that we don't know and see. That's that this thing the news hasn't necessarily said at the point where I saw, they didn't say anything about the running running part, and she's standing and she was saying she was medically you know, schizophrenic or whatever. I actually I go through Shelby a lot of a truck driver Shelby is a pretty it's a bigger town. It's a bigger town. I'll say that now. I'm I'm myself. I'm from a smaller town in montgomer County right here in North Carolina. But me being from a small town, I know the people that walk around with schizophrenica. The two. It's a couple of people that walk around with it. I just put it. Get that way, and that with us just being in that small town, we know that. Even the cops know that, and maybe that police department should do a better job or even the people of getting to know each other, or even some of the people in the community saying into the cops, but this person is gizophrenic, this one right here, you just sort of have to handle them that way so we don't have these incidents that happen like that. Yeah, No, that's a fair point, James. I appreciate the call. I think I do. And that's another thing I don't know. Did the cop know he had a previous interaction with her a year ago another resisting police office resisting police charge that she pled guilty to last year, So I don't know if he knew her mental health history or not. Like I would think he may have, but I don't know. That's another gap in the story. More texts Rob from Charlotte says Pete loved the show. Need to revisit How to Not Get Your Butt Kicked by a Cop by Chris Rock. Yes, the philosopher Chris Rock put out a very helpful PSA about that years ago nine to eight zero numbers, says, in what world is it okay for a cop to punch somebody in the face twelve times when they are on the ground. I really hope you're just doing this for the show, because if you're this ignorant, I feel sorry for your wife and kids if you have any Okay, first off, it was ten times. Benjamin Crumb counted them. Number two. When did I say it was okay for the cop to have done that? Oh, that's right, I didn't. I did not say that. I have said I think now at least four times, maybe five, that it was excessive. It was not. It was not achieving whatever goal he was attempting to achieve, which I suspect was to get her under control and get her into custody. They were unsuccessful, which, by the way, another question, how did they take her into custody. How did that happen? We don't see it on the doorbell camp. Where's the rest of that footage? Whoever it was that posted the doorbell footage, Like, where there's the rest of it, Because by the end of it, she's just standing there. She's not cuffed behind her back, she has got her hands, her arms to her sides, and there are four officers around her and they're all just like standing there talking at that point. All within the span of two minutes, that goes from this altercation to everybody standing talking. So how did she go into custody? We don't know. There's another gap in the story. See the gaps. And maybe this is because I used to be a reporter, or maybe I became a reporter, because these are the questions that I seek answers to. So like, Okay, you've you've presented me with two minutes of footage, and I can look at that footage and just be like everybody else and make all sorts of assumptions and project things onto what I've just seen and the people involved and all the larger issues and all of this, But I actually want I want to know before and after. I want to know the backgrounds. I want more information. I would ask this for this information as a reporter. In no world did I say that it was okay. So, to answer your question nine to eight zero number, in what world is it okay for a cop to punch someone in the face twelve times when they're on the ground, Well, if they have a gun, I would say you could punch him in the face, right if you're in a fight for your life. I mean, if you're just like throwing out the question for hypotheticals. But in this specific case, I have said that it did appear to be excessive, and he has been fired, and he has been charged with a soul And that's why I keep asking, like, well, what else do you want to see occur here? And no, I'm not just doing this for the show. And I don't believe me asking for information makes me ignorant for doing so. I mean, I guess I am ignorant of the gaps that exist, but you are too. We are all. Ignorant of the information, which is why I'm asking maybe we could get that information so we're not all ignorant. Maybe that's the point. Pete, What is it with all these people trying to do street litigation. I see it all the time when watching the live cop shows. People start litigating with the cop thinking they can get out of going to jail. How different would things go if she just went with them and went before a judge. Yeah, the time to argue your case is in the courtroom, it's not on the street with the cop. Right, if a cop is telling you to put your hands behind your back, you're probably going to jail at that point. But there is a mentality, there is a belief that there is a right to resist. I'm not kidding. There is a belief out there on the streets that you have a right to resist. This has become prevalent. This mindset has become prevalent. And by the way, the woman in this case, she was charged with misdemeanor breaking an entering, misdemeanor resisting an officer, and another misdemeanor of assaulting a government employee. The resisting an officer and assaulting a government employee, those charges got dropped, so she is still facing the breaking and entering charge, which remember from the video, she denied she did. She said she didn't touch any house, so she's still charged with that. Now, maybe they dropped that too. Sheldon says, every time a government agency pays somebody who sued the resist, then the resistance will never stop. Right when you and you know, is Shelby going to fight this or is the town of Shelby just going to pay Benjamin Crump, Kirk says, hey, we have rednecks up north to ever been to western New York. I just I didn't want to get into that whole thing either, Kirk, seven oh four number, do you think all all capitals? Do you think all black should be abused and mistreated without representation or compensation? Thank God for Benjamin Crump? Know, why would you think I would think that that's silly? That race pimp. Crump's arrival definitely indicates that he thinks there's a payday here. He says, seven oh four number. I'm not going to be able to get to all of these texts. Bain says, Look, we may learn there are a lot of incriminating details leading up to the beating that actually cause all of us to say this is way worse than the video shows. That's true, but we don't know that it may be really, really bad. So wait, let's be patient. Correct. I agree, this could actually be way worse for the cop, but it might not be all right. That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. 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