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[00:00:27] for your support. End of the last hour, we got a call from Randall and we were having
[00:00:34] a discussion. Well, I mean, I was trying to have a discussion. I think Randall may have
[00:00:38] been out. You know, I don't I try never to assume motive, you know, but this may come
[00:00:43] as a shock to some people. But there are individuals who call into radio programs
[00:00:54] such as this one. And they are not actually interested in advancing a discussion. They're
[00:01:03] interested in just saying something and then hanging up. It's true, it does, it happens.
[00:01:14] But I never ascribe that motive to anybody, even if you've done it before, because sometimes
[00:01:18] people like you may end up on a topic that Randall like really knows a lot about.
[00:01:22] So he does want to participate in an actual conversation about it. And then we could do
[00:01:26] that. But alas, this previous conversation was not such a dialogue. Let me get to some
[00:01:35] of the emails because he did illicit responses. It's from Stan who says you could start
[00:01:42] Oh, subject line more value on life because so if you're listening on the podcast or
[00:01:51] you missed the last segment of the last hour, he had called in asking about what gun laws
[00:02:00] should we put in place to prevent this from happening. And then he cited Newtown, the
[00:02:05] massacre of the, you know, the kindergarteners and first graders up in Connecticut. And
[00:02:12] how Republicans didn't do anything after that this constant drumbeat to quote, do
[00:02:17] something right after any kind of mass shooting or what we saw a week ago with
[00:02:23] these law enforcement officers serving a warrant for a felon with a fugitive felon
[00:02:29] with a firearm. They were serving a fugitive warrant on him. And so he is
[00:02:35] obviously a prohibited possessor. He's not allowed to have that gun, but he had
[00:02:40] a gun, he had a rifle and he had a 40 caliber handgun as well. So I don't know
[00:02:46] how he got those firearms. I hope they are able to trace them back and figure out
[00:02:52] how, how we got them. I don't know if they're going to be successful in that if
[00:02:57] he bought them on the black market or something. There's there may not be a
[00:03:02] way that they could trace them. I don't know, we'll see. But there already is a
[00:03:09] law that prohibited a couple of them that prohibited him from having those
[00:03:14] firearms. So I'm not sure if the stated premise is a valid one that we need to
[00:03:21] have another law and that other law would have gotten at this, would have
[00:03:27] prevented this from occurring, would have gotten at this issue specifically.
[00:03:32] Because the only law I could think of that might actually get you there is
[00:03:36] to ban guns, certain guns, right? And then part of that ban would obviously be
[00:03:44] a grace period to turn in the firearms. And then after that period is over,
[00:03:50] then you start confiscating guns, right? You'd have to go and try to get them
[00:03:54] from everybody. I don't know what that would look like either. But if you're
[00:03:57] just kind of walking down this path, and that's why I asked him about
[00:04:00] taking the guns, and then he kind of backed away from that because a lot
[00:04:04] of gun grabbers don't ever actually like to talk about the gun grabbing process
[00:04:07] or they don't want to be identified as a gun grabber. They'll just kind of say,
[00:04:11] we need to do something and we need some common sense laws. We have to whatever.
[00:04:17] They have all these euphemisms. But when you start walking through, OK,
[00:04:21] show me what that looks like. Let's talk about how that would unfold.
[00:04:25] You get to a point where you're going and taking firearms from people.
[00:04:28] And you know what? That looks a lot like what we saw on Monday.
[00:04:32] It does. You're going to have, except there's way more of them.
[00:04:35] There's way more people that have done nothing wrong except they purchased
[00:04:39] a bunch of firearms that were legal and now the government says turn them over.
[00:04:43] And people that on the one hand say if Donald Trump wins, then democracy is over
[00:04:50] and we're going to have a tyranny and a dictatorship.
[00:04:54] These are the same people that say give up your guns, which is weird.
[00:04:58] I've always found that to be a kind of odd idea. Like, wait a minute,
[00:05:01] you're so worried about the orange man becoming the dictator that you want
[00:05:05] everybody to be disarmed. So then it's easier for him to be the dictator? That's weird.
[00:05:10] I don't understand that. You also don't trust law enforcement.
[00:05:13] But then you're also like, yes, send law enforcement to kick everyone's doors down.
[00:05:17] See, because at the heart of all of this is the belief
[00:05:19] that a lot of people may not even realize they're espousing without espousing it,
[00:05:23] which is they believe that they will be in charge.
[00:05:26] That's why they are okay with this approach.
[00:05:30] Or benefit of the doubt, they've given zero thought to how this would actually play out.
[00:05:35] And Randall made a comment there about like, oh, I'm not a policy expert on all this,
[00:05:38] which is a cop out, right? I mean, that's an easy way to get off the hook so you don't have to
[00:05:45] do the hard work of walking through how this would actually play out.
[00:05:49] And how it would play out would be a lot of people resisting
[00:05:52] and then a lot of people getting into firefights with law enforcement that show up to take their guns.
[00:05:58] A lot of law enforcement officers not willing to do that work,
[00:06:02] quitting the force. Then you end up having to recruit people that aren't qualified,
[00:06:06] people that are not emotionally well balanced enough, right?
[00:06:12] You end up with a changing of the guard, so to speak.
[00:06:15] You end up with a lot of people that would then start going into this line of work,
[00:06:18] specifically because they get to go and shoot people up, right?
[00:06:22] And that's why I say this is a very dangerous path and that's why it's important to kind of
[00:06:27] walk through the discussion to see like, how do you think this occurs?
[00:06:30] Anyway, so here are some of the emails Stan said, because I said,
[00:06:35] as a society we need to put more value on life.
[00:06:39] And let's start with that. How about I gave Randall kind of a homework assignment.
[00:06:43] Think about that for a little while, see what you come up with.
[00:06:46] Stan says, you could start that process by not indoctrinating kids via public education
[00:06:50] and pop culture that they're just a mass of cells and are here for no apparent purpose.
[00:06:54] In essence, removal of positive effects, faith,
[00:06:59] would from the public square has led to this problem.
[00:07:03] Right? There is a devaluation of human life in society at large.
[00:07:08] And there's a movement away from the idea that we have a purpose.
[00:07:12] Your life has meaning. We have a purpose to be here.
[00:07:16] You've heard about this over the last week.
[00:07:22] The men who have been eulogized for the way they lived their life,
[00:07:26] not in the way they died but the way they lived their lives.
[00:07:30] Service to others.
[00:07:36] This is from Tim.
[00:07:39] Caller Randall on gun control.
[00:07:40] It amazes me that people like Randall use situations
[00:07:42] like this latest shooting to promote gun control.
[00:07:45] I'm not mistaken.
[00:07:46] Randall is a black person whom original racist gun control laws were aimed at black,
[00:07:50] so they would have little means to protect themselves from the likes of the KKK.
[00:07:55] Right? That's why the pistol purchase permit system was set up in North Carolina.
[00:07:59] It was to give the sheriffs veto power over black residents, constitutional rights,
[00:08:06] to arm themselves.
[00:08:08] So when the Klan comes knocking, you can't shoot any of them as they try to drag you out of your house.
[00:08:15] But then the party switched. Remember, everybody switched sides.
[00:08:19] Right, yeah.
[00:08:20] Now Randall and others want to put total trust in the very government that oppressed them in the past.
[00:08:24] It sounds like a non-sequitur. In other words, it does not follow.
[00:08:29] Jay says, people like Randall don't have a clue.
[00:08:31] The selective application of the law is what is causing these issues.
[00:08:34] Firearms only work when evil pulls a trigger.
[00:08:37] The weapon is nothing but a machine.
[00:08:40] And had a tweet.
[00:08:45] From Russ, who says, Randalls, I don't know, but there are experts out there take, is troubling.
[00:08:52] If I've learned anything the last several years is that we have too many credentialed
[00:08:56] activists and morons making decisions and too few citizens informing themselves.
[00:09:01] Yeah, don't outsource your thinking.
[00:09:04] You know?
[00:09:05] The email is peteatthepeatcalinershow.com
[00:09:10] and on Twitter at petecaliners, where I mentioned this earlier.
[00:09:15] I kicked a Twitter's Hornets Nest, a Twitter Nest, if you will.
[00:09:22] We'll get to that in a moment.
[00:09:24] First let's go over here and kind of wrap up this topic with Ray.
[00:09:27] Hello, Ray. Welcome to the show.
[00:09:29] Hello, Pete. How are you doing?
[00:09:30] Hey, I'm good. What's going on?
[00:09:33] Pretty good. My point was a couple things on the last segment.
[00:09:38] Did you say that if there was a law passed to, it got to a stage where they could take your guns
[00:09:46] that there would be a lot of police officers that didn't want to do that?
[00:09:51] Did I hear you correctly?
[00:09:53] Yes.
[00:09:54] Okay. And my second question is, if the police officers that did do that,
[00:10:02] would they be subject to some kind of a lawsuit because
[00:10:05] no, they're not covered by qualified immunity because they were doing something that was against
[00:10:12] the Second Amendment?
[00:10:13] No.
[00:10:14] They wouldn't?
[00:10:15] No.
[00:10:18] They are the law enforcement agents.
[00:10:22] And so if there was, because think about how would you would go about,
[00:10:26] I mean, if you're talking about repealing the Second Amendment, which
[00:10:29] there's a reason Democrats never actually propose a repeal of the Second Amendment,
[00:10:33] even when they have control of the Congress and the presidency, they never propose.
[00:10:39] And that's really what their beef is. Their beef is with the Second Amendment,
[00:10:43] but they never propose doing away with that. So they try all these different legal ways,
[00:10:50] or legal as in lawsuits and making laws that kind of try to get at that same end result
[00:10:57] without actually having to do a full repeal vote because they don't want to go on record
[00:11:00] against the Second Amendment. So how do you get to a point where you're actually going and
[00:11:05] confiscating guns? I don't see any other way except a repeal of the Second Amendment.
[00:11:10] Well, if that was the case then the law officers would be refusing to do something that was a
[00:11:19] passed legislation.
[00:11:22] Yeah, but there are law enforcement officers that would not engage in the practice.
[00:11:26] They would either leave the force, they would not sign up to go on the gun confiscation task force
[00:11:35] excursions because there are a lot of law enforcement officers who are in fact proponents
[00:11:41] of the Second Amendment. And they don't... Yeah, they would not want to disarm the citizenry.
[00:11:49] There are a lot of cops out there and they have different attitudes about this stuff,
[00:11:52] but a lot of them... And Rush Limba used to talk about this all the time.
[00:11:55] There's a reason why they get that law enforcement is targeted of all the government workers,
[00:12:01] why law enforcement and the military get targeted so often by media and Democrats is because
[00:12:09] it's kind of the last place that conservatives and Republicans
[00:12:12] still actually populate the ranks in a local or state or federal government structure.
[00:12:18] Got you. Well, maybe we were on a little bit of a different page on that last...
[00:12:23] The way I phrased that question, if the Fifth Amendment was still on the books
[00:12:30] and the law officers tried to confiscate, then would they be subject to some kind of
[00:12:36] remediation because they were not upholding... They were breaking the Second Amendment of
[00:12:41] the Constitution if it was still in effect and hadn't been revealed?
[00:12:45] So right. So if you're now... So in this scenario, you've got a law that's passed that says
[00:12:51] you got to give up your guns and for some reason this has passed constitutional review at the Supreme
[00:12:56] Court and said, yes, this is constitutional somehow. And then law enforcement begins following
[00:13:03] their orders to go confiscate a bunch of guns from law-abiding citizens that happen to have
[00:13:09] what not turned in their guns. And then you think that there's some sort of
[00:13:13] pathway for people to sue law enforcement officers?
[00:13:17] Yeah. Yeah, I'm not so sure that that... Because they do have qualified immunity
[00:13:21] for starters, right? I mean, they do have it. Yes, but that would only cover them
[00:13:27] under enforcing laws that were constitutional, wouldn't it?
[00:13:31] Not as far as I know. Because again, in order to get to the point... To your hypothetical,
[00:13:39] in order to get to your point, a lot of other things had to have happened first,
[00:13:43] which was a law had to get passed that we don't know what that law was, but then it also had
[00:13:47] to pass judicial review that said it is not a violation of the Constitution. So there's no
[00:13:53] other way to get to a confiscation point and not have those answers already delivered.
[00:14:00] Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah, you can't get... Right. Yeah, you can't get to the
[00:14:06] point... Yeah, you can't get to your question unless those earlier questions get addressed first
[00:14:11] and then that would dictate how the hypothetical would play out, I suspect.
[00:14:15] I got you. I appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely. Ray, I appreciate the call, man.
[00:14:19] Yeah, I don't see a court... I don't see a Supreme Court unless obviously Democrats
[00:14:25] pack it and then say the Second Amendment's unconstitutional. They could do that. They've
[00:14:30] done crazier stuff. Okay, if you're listening to this podcast, you are obviously paying
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[00:15:33] the answer is simple. The perp should have already been in jail. DAs are already lax on
[00:15:39] enforcing existing gun laws for reference. See the pot-smoking, bough jangles incident.
[00:15:45] There's one solution for crime. Build lots of prisons, fill them up with criminals and don't
[00:15:50] care when they call you racist for it. That's Joseph and John says,
[00:15:56] how many of the new police tactics are a direct result of all of the quote reforms
[00:16:04] people were demanding during BLM mostly peaceful riots slash protests? That's my question. That's
[00:16:13] why I ask, like did any of these protocols change? Did any of these tactics change? If so,
[00:16:19] when and has it put law enforcement at greater risk because of it? All right, let me go over
[00:16:27] here and get Jerry on the program. Hello, Jerry. Welcome to the show.
[00:16:32] Hello, how are you? Hey, I'm good. What's up?
[00:16:35] So I have a perspective of this problem that's sort of similar to what you just said from the
[00:16:42] right end. I see this as, for one thing, we as a society get what we vote for. And if we
[00:16:50] don't like this, there's a way to solve this problem without changing the Constitution.
[00:16:56] When a gun is involved in a crime, it should be penalized more harshly. And there should be no
[00:17:06] retribution that somebody or our restitution that somebody can get away with. The penalty
[00:17:11] is the penalty and it has to be served. If we want to stop the bad use of guns, then penalize
[00:17:18] it. But we don't want to penalize. We're more interested in protecting the criminals
[00:17:24] than we are the victims. And until that stops, and that's a societal change, this is not going to stop.
[00:17:31] And we're going to have to just continue to look at these funerals with a sort of a jaundice eye.
[00:17:38] Well, and the caller for in the last hour Randall, who asked about some new gun laws,
[00:17:44] would we be in favor of some new gun laws? And it's sort of,
[00:17:49] it's, you know, the answer is, or the response I should say, is a pat response. It's just the same
[00:17:55] response that you will always hear from Second Amendment proponents, which is we don't need new
[00:18:02] laws. We just need to enforce the ones that are already on the books. And that is one of them.
[00:18:07] What you just mentioned, you know, when you have a firearm and you commit another crime,
[00:18:13] there's additional penalties tacked on to your sentencing. And it seems like now
[00:18:19] we're not really penalizing or charging or sentencing under those, under those laws. We're not
[00:18:25] quote throwing the book at people on, on the gun charges. And the message is going out that this
[00:18:32] is okay. If we fully enforce just one, one of the laws associated with this, that is
[00:18:42] felons use of guns, felons are not supposed to have guns. Constantly we hear and read and see
[00:18:50] where crimes are committed by felons who are using guns. If that were enforced to the full
[00:18:57] extent of the law, that would be a start. But we won't do it as a society. We don't,
[00:19:05] as a whole, want to support that. And until we change, until the people who want to see that
[00:19:12] dealt with differently speak up, then we get what we get.
[00:19:17] Jerry, I appreciate the call, sir. Thanks. All right, take care. We'll go over next to Lisa.
[00:19:23] Hello, Lisa. Welcome to the show. How are you?
[00:19:26] Hello, first time caller.
[00:19:28] Welcome. Glad you called.
[00:19:29] Welcome to North Carolina a year ago. Take care of the parents.
[00:19:32] Okay. Well, welcome.
[00:19:33] But anyway, my point is you will never ever get rid of guns. They are underground. You
[00:19:41] can DIY a gun. You can print one on a printer. You will never ever eradicate guns.
[00:19:50] But also guns themselves, in my opinion. My father taught me how to shoot when I was 10. He was a
[00:19:56] captain of the rifle routine in the Army. Gun safety, guns laying there on the table all by
[00:20:03] itself is not dangerous. Guns are not dangerous. It's the people who are holding them that
[00:20:08] are dangerous. The people who don't know how to handle them are dangerous. And the reason
[00:20:12] their nefarious ideas about why they want to use them makes a gun dangerous. A gun in
[00:20:18] itself is not. Well, I understand your point on the guns are not dangerous argument. I don't
[00:20:27] know if that's the strongest argument because that's like saying a band saw is not dangerous.
[00:20:34] All cars are dangerous. Everything could be dangerous.
[00:20:37] Right.
[00:20:37] Thank you too much water can be dangerous.
[00:20:39] Right. But that's what I mean.
[00:20:41] Right. But this is what I mean.
[00:20:42] Like you will never ever ever get rid of guns.
[00:20:45] On that I agree. I'm just saying from a rhetorical standpoint like in the context of like having a
[00:20:52] dialogue or trying to convince somebody in an argument or something or in a debate,
[00:20:56] saying that guns are not in and of themselves dangerous. It's not a strong argument
[00:21:01] because they are. I mean when I pick up a gun it's a dangerous weapon. That's why
[00:21:06] it's actually listed as an assault with a dangerous weapon. Now there are other
[00:21:10] like a knife. That's also very dangerous. Right.
[00:21:12] So is a knife?
[00:21:14] Yeah. Again so it's a car.
[00:21:15] Right.
[00:21:15] It's my fifth. I mean.
[00:21:16] Yes.
[00:21:17] Correct.
[00:21:18] Anything could be dangerous.
[00:21:20] Correct. But that's why I say like to say it's not a strong rhetorical point.
[00:21:25] Now that being said the point you're making about all of the guns that are
[00:21:30] not only the ones that are legit made by companies and stuff but people make them
[00:21:34] on their 3D printers now and stuff. Yeah you're not going to be able to
[00:21:38] and this is why I always ask these when it comes to gun control,
[00:21:41] you always start walking down the path. Okay well show me how the confiscation
[00:21:45] works. Tell me what that looks like because what that looks like is an awful lot.
[00:21:48] Can you still confiscate guns?
[00:21:50] I'm sorry.
[00:21:51] No but what it looks like is an awful lot.
[00:21:52] You can still confiscate guns but you will never get rid of all of them.
[00:21:55] Correct.
[00:21:56] Correct.
[00:21:56] And that's not fair to the people who are law-abiding citizens who have
[00:21:59] gone through the measures of having permits to carry and...
[00:22:04] Mm-hmm.
[00:22:05] Yeah and they're the most law-abiding population.
[00:22:08] Those are the ones you need to worry about.
[00:22:10] Correct. Exactly.
[00:22:11] Lisa I appreciate the call.
[00:22:12] No it's exactly right.
[00:22:13] The people who have gone through the process to get the guns legally and to keep
[00:22:17] their... like particularly concealed carry.
[00:22:20] If you got a CHP, a concealed handgun permit,
[00:22:22] you are like the most law-abiding people in a society as evidence by the
[00:22:28] fact that you went through this hassle to get the permit.
[00:22:34] So you would think that they would want everybody to get CHPs
[00:22:38] because you go through the background check, you get the mental health screening,
[00:22:41] right? You do... or the back... not the mental health screen.
[00:22:44] It's not like you're going sit on a couch but they run your records through
[00:22:47] like the institutions, you know, to make sure you haven't been institutionalized
[00:22:52] or anything, right?
[00:22:54] So you go through all of those levels to get the CHP.
[00:22:57] Like if the left was honest, they would say we want everybody to get
[00:23:02] concealed handgun permits, everybody to go through that process.
[00:23:05] That would actually get you a more law-abiding population armed.
[00:23:11] But they're not honest on this.
[00:23:12] Anyway, James welcome to the show.
[00:23:15] Hello, James.
[00:23:16] Hey, you were talking earlier about enforcing laws as written.
[00:23:21] Yes.
[00:23:23] Okay. The 1968 gun control law, that horrible monster.
[00:23:28] There is a provision in there that states that anyone who commits a crime
[00:23:32] with a firearm will automatically have one year added to their sentence.
[00:23:36] Is that at the federal level?
[00:23:39] No, it's... period. Everybody.
[00:23:41] Well...
[00:23:41] Anybody in the United States commits a crime will have one year added
[00:23:45] to their sentence. It was in the law.
[00:23:47] It's never been enforced anywhere.
[00:23:51] So I'm not sure... well, yeah, so a couple things.
[00:23:54] I'm not aware of that provision.
[00:23:55] I'm not aware of how... whether a federal...
[00:23:59] I don't know if the federal government can mandate that at the state level
[00:24:03] because they're state charges.
[00:24:06] I think the feds would have to prosecute the federal statute,
[00:24:09] and maybe that's why it's not been enforced?
[00:24:10] I don't know. I would have to do some research on that.
[00:24:13] It's never been enforced anywhere.
[00:24:15] The other side is the lady who called before about guns,
[00:24:19] a firearm is a tool.
[00:24:22] It's designed to throw a ball a great distance with very great accuracy.
[00:24:27] It is an inanimate object.
[00:24:30] It does absolutely nothing until somebody makes it function.
[00:24:36] Yeah, that's what she was saying too.
[00:24:38] That's the truth.
[00:24:39] Yeah. No, but my only point to her was that when you frame that position as
[00:24:45] guns are in dangerous, the gun itself isn't dangerous,
[00:24:49] I understand what she's talking about.
[00:24:50] She's talking about what you're talking about.
[00:24:52] And I've heard this Second Amendment proponent argument for 30 years.
[00:24:56] It's not a very persuasive argument to make to people who don't know anything about guns,
[00:25:03] first of all, or for people who are trying to pass gun laws, gun restriction laws.
[00:25:09] It's not a persuasive argument.
[00:25:10] If somebody who wants gun restriction, you can argue until you're blue in the face,
[00:25:15] it's not going to change their mind because the intent is not to fight crime.
[00:25:19] The intent is to take your file away from you.
[00:25:22] No, right.
[00:25:23] You're having an argument.
[00:25:24] If you're having an argument with somebody about gun control, if it's just you and them
[00:25:28] and you know they're never going to change their mind, then yeah, it's kind of a pointless argument.
[00:25:31] But if you're having an argument where other people are listening,
[00:25:34] then you're trying to persuade those other people that are listening to that debate
[00:25:38] and telling people that, oh, a band saw is not dangerous.
[00:25:42] That doesn't-
[00:25:42] It's not.
[00:25:43] A band saw is dangerous.
[00:25:45] No, it's not.
[00:25:46] It's band sawing in and of itself is dangerous.
[00:25:48] Do you understand James?
[00:25:48] The people mishandling a band saw are dangerous.
[00:25:50] Right.
[00:25:51] Yeah.
[00:25:51] See, James, that's what I mean.
[00:25:52] That is not a persuasive argument.
[00:25:55] It's just not.
[00:25:55] And look, you don't have to agree with me.
[00:25:57] I'm just like-
[00:25:57] I'm just telling you that in all of the years I've been doing this,
[00:26:00] whenever that argument comes up, it never persuades.
[00:26:04] And now there's-
[00:26:04] It does nothing because it does-
[00:26:06] People who don't know anything about guns, they hear that argument
[00:26:10] and on its surface does not make any sense to them
[00:26:13] because a gun is designed to, as you said, shoot a bullet.
[00:26:17] Right?
[00:26:18] That's what it's designed to do.
[00:26:19] And that is a dangerous thing.
[00:26:21] Now you can make all of this, split all of the hairs you want to
[00:26:23] about the person firing it and all of that,
[00:26:25] and it could be used for good and self-defense.
[00:26:27] And I get all those arguments.
[00:26:28] I agree with all those arguments, but it's not persuasive.
[00:26:31] That's my only point.
[00:26:33] If you want to keep saying it-
[00:26:34] Well-
[00:26:34] By all means, keep saying it.
[00:26:35] I'm just telling you, it works very well among people
[00:26:38] that already agree with you.
[00:26:39] People who don't already agree with you are not persuaded by it.
[00:26:42] Well, considering the fact that I think we're up to,
[00:26:46] I forget how many dozens of months we've had now
[00:26:49] with handgun purchases or firearms purchases being over a million
[00:26:53] background checks a month, I somehow think we're winning the argument
[00:26:59] about whether or not guns are protective devices versus dangerous devices.
[00:27:05] No, see, there you in.
[00:27:06] See, that's-
[00:27:07] You just set up, but you just set it up again.
[00:27:09] Just, there are protective devices.
[00:27:11] Absolutely.
[00:27:12] Yeah.
[00:27:12] But if you're-
[00:27:13] Don't run around telling people that it's not dangerous.
[00:27:16] Because you don't want people accidentally shooting themselves.
[00:27:21] What is it?
[00:27:22] You have to respect the firearm.
[00:27:25] This is another one of my concerns with this line of argument is that
[00:27:29] it almost is like, oh, it's not a big deal.
[00:27:31] Just leave that gun sitting over there and it's not going to do anything.
[00:27:33] No, that's irresponsible.
[00:27:36] Because it is a firearm and somebody comes along and picks it up.
[00:27:41] A kid.
[00:27:42] That's not evil intent.
[00:27:43] Some little kid picks it up and shoots their little brother.
[00:27:46] Right?
[00:27:46] That's a dangerous weapon in their hands.
[00:27:48] Just like if you left a band saw running in your living room and you got little kids running around,
[00:27:55] like that's a dangerous thing to put in your living room.
[00:27:58] No?
[00:28:02] Well, firearms don't belong sitting in your living room either.
[00:28:05] There are people that disagree with you on that.
[00:28:07] They got guns hidden all over their living rooms.
[00:28:10] I know people that do that.
[00:28:12] I had a coworker that wore a badge and he had an interesting weapon hidden in his kitchen.
[00:28:26] So, yeah.
[00:28:26] Yeah, there you go.
[00:28:27] All right.
[00:28:27] Yeah.
[00:28:28] James, I appreciate the call.
[00:28:30] It's strictly a rhetorical tactic.
[00:28:33] I'm advising.
[00:28:34] All right.
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