The global persecution of Christians (10-08-2025--Hour1)

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His latest book, which you can pre order now, is called The Two Swords of Christ. He also has written books entitled Defenders of the West, The Christian Heroes who Stood against Islam, Sword and Scimitar fourteen centuries of war between Islam and the West crucified again, exposing Islam's new war on Christians. He wrote the al Qaeda Reader and a book called The Battle of Yarmuk, which if you've never heard of this, it's an amazing story. So yesterday after the show, I had the opportunity had the chance to chat with Raymond about some of this stuff, but specifically about what's happening in especially in Africa with the persecution, the murdering of Christian I came across your YouTube channel a couple of weeks, maybe a month and a half ago or so, and I've just watched I think every episode, even the really long ones, And I apologize for not having been aware of your work before, but you've been doing this for a very long time, since like twenty eleven. I want to say, so, if we could just condense like your twenty years of research and expertise along with like fifteen hundred years of this I'm into like fifteen minutes, we'll be fine. We'll be good to go. So let's start with the thing that prompted me to reach out to you, actually, which was about the Christian persecution that's going on around the globe. So you've been monitoring this for twenty years, right, and you've been doing these monthly updates. I am embarrassed. I've never heard of these before. So tell us first, like where do you get this information from? And then we'll get into sort of what the data shows. Sure, So the musclim persecution of Christians has been one of my fortes in that I've been really following it for a law long long time, actually over more than twenty years. My first published article on that topic was probably twenty years ago. But what you're referring to in twenty eleven is when I started compiling reports, which I've still been doing so for fourteen years, monthly reports, and I get this information from a variety of sources. Sometimes it's the mainstream media if the attack is spectacular and graphic enough and they are forced to cover it, I'll use I can use some of them, but more often than not, it's sort of smaller organizations, human rights groups, and sometimes individuals, including on the ground and often in different languages like Arabic that I get it from. Because, as you can imagine, it's not exactly a topic that's being as you mentioned, you know, you don't know about it, and it's not really your faults because the media doesn't want to talk about it even though it's really a big topic. So yeah, I've been doing that for a long time. My twenty thirteen my book Whus Fight Again, is devoted to it, and it really gets into the doctrines and the histor ties, the past and the present together. And you know, from a personal level. It all started because my family comes from Egypt, were cop to Christians, so we have a long appreciation of Islam and you know how it behaves vis a v. The Infidel. So even in my youth, I already was hearing stories and quite acquainted with this phenomenon and yeah, that's that's it in a nutshell. So you were born in America, but these were stories that you heard growing up from your family that came from Egypt. Correct, Yeah, I mean the first time I was introduced to this topic was in my very early youth from family members and relatives who would visit. And I also visited the region and saw it firsthand as well. So yeah, that's the sort of the genesis of my interests. But since then I've more you know, focused on it from a more professional kind of level. Yeah, well, you know, if it's something that you're interested in and you can pay to research it like that sounds like best of both worlds. So the one that one of the stories that did break through Nigeria recently, and I heard you talk about this on one of your episodes that it was framed, and when you said it, I was like, I had no idea this is this is what I thought too. And I follow the news pretty closely. I mean I've been doing this now, you know, twenty years. I followed the news really closely, and I had heard this, Oh it's against the the farmers and the herdsman and that's the fight. And there was this massacre over like between farmers and herdsmen, and I was like, huh, okay, well that's weird. But you know, I'm not I don't know anything about Nigeria and their politics or land use disputes, but that wasn't what really this is about, right, No, not at all. That's exactly how the media and politicians like to dissemble. You know, there's a kernel of truth to it that most of the attackers are herdsmen and nomad's. They're known as the Fulani and most of those being attacked are set in tree farmers, but behind the scene, the Fullanies are Muslim and the set in tree farmers are Christians, and the Fulani habitually articulate their raids as a ghod. I quoted once a Christian nun, a sister sister something I forget her name from Nigeria, and she said, it's hard to call this a land dispute when those attacking are wearing black like Isis, chanting Koronic phrases and saying kill the infidels on allha akbar. So it's absolutely a g hod from the Muslim side, and they are focusing on Christians, and sometimes Muslims also get killed because a lot of times there's moderate Muslims living amongst Christians in these villages, and the Muslims have even you know, the groups and the Islamic groups. They're like Bokoharam and other Islamic terror group have rationalized that you can kill those Muslims because they're just as good as infidels, because they live with Christians and you should hate Christians according to Islamic teaching like Qoran sixty forty and so forth. So yeah, it's absolutely a religious persecution of Christians. A lot of human rights groups call it a genocide. You're probably referring. I spoke to a priest there, and you know, he confirmed everything that I knew. I again, because I've been following the persecution of Christians in general for a long time. Nigeria has definitely been you know, at the four of that because you can't escape it. There's more Nigerian Christians get killed in any Christian in general. I think the number is two per one per one every two hours in general. So twelve Christians every single day in Nigeria, three hundred and sixty five days a year are slaughtered for their faith and thousands of churches have been destroyed. But yeah, you don't know, those black lives don't matter apparently because they're Christian and there's no political agenda that can be used to you know, to to exploit this with. So yeah, yeah, And the priest was asking for attention, asking for help. The I believe he said, the Nigerian government is not helping to defend them. I mean, it's just it seems I don't know, it seems I don't want to say hopeless, but it seems it's very frustrating. Yeah, it's discouraging. Yeah, it seems serren Actually, yeah, the government has been well known to It's not only that. There's multiple anecdotes that have come from local Christians, including Christian leaders are in priests and bishops from those regions saying that, you know, the military is in the region, but once the terrorists come, they just leave or turn a blind eye. And even worse, there's been actual instances where people say the military provides them with cover and yes they did this arm you know, the people of Nigeria, but the terrorists always have weapons for some reason, these guys who are operating supposedly illegally. So for a lot of Christians in Nigeria, this is actually intentional and the government is somehow in cahoots with the some nefarious agenda that is exploiting Islamic jihadism, the vsav these poor Christian farmers. Remember, Nigeria is about half Christian, half Muslim and in a way, it's also a reflection of what happens when you have you know, equal forces of Muslims and Christians or non Muslims living side by side. It's interesting because there's a whole dynamic about numbers and when the numbers are very few, you know, let's say in America, how Muslims behave is a certain way, and then when they grow, like in Europe, then they behave another more aggressive way until you get to what you have in Nigeria. And then when of course it's ninety or one hundred percent Muslim, then is you know, Christianity is snuffed out altogether, like in Saudi Arabia for instance. So in Nigeria, according to the reporting, sixty two thousand Christians have been killed since two thousand, sixty two thousand over the course of the last twenty five years. The International Committee for Nigeria refers to this as the Silent slaughter. Now he mentioned some of those numbers, the population numbers, and how that affects the aggression levels. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and cabins of Ashville is your connection. Whether you're celebrating an anniversary, a honeymoon, maybe you want to plan a memorable proposal or get family and friends together for a big old reuse Cabins of Asheville has the ideal spot for you where you can reconnect with your loved ones and the things that truly matter. 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Did an interview with Raymond Ibrahim All, author of like seven books here about Islam and the West and basically the historical the stories from history of the wars fourteenth centuries of war between Islam and the West. That's one of the books he wrote called Sword and Scimitar. By the way, you can find his work at Raymond Ibrahim dot com. That's ib R a him Ibrahim Raymond Ibrahim dot com and there's a link in the podcast so you can just click there. So he mentioned the numbers, specifically the population numbers. When the Muslim population grows and eventually attains power, he said, that's when we see the rights of Christians and Jews decrease or completely go away along with all the Christians and Jews. I asked him if this was doctrinal or strategy of some kind. I mean, it's fundamentally inherently it is doctrinal Islam teaches. You know, I'm doing a deep dive again in one of the what I consider the most dangerous doctrine of Islam and basically, in a nutshell, commands Muslims to hate non Muslims intrinsically, not because of what they do. And there's these you know, leading jurists like ib Miltemeia who say even if a non Muslim is good to you, you have to hate him. And there's other Muslim cleric saying if you're married to a Christian or Jewish woman, which is permissible according to Islam, you have to hate her, but you can enjoy her carnally, but you have to show her that you hate her. So hatred for the infidel is an ironclad aspect. As I mentioned Koran sixty four, then youone can look it up if they have an actual accurate translation. It tells Muslims you have an example in Abraham Ibrahim because he told his people we enmity and hatred shall last between us until you become a Muslim. So that is that's the you know, the bedrock verse of the of the hostility. But beyond and above that, specifically in regards to Christians and Jews, is Koran nine twenty nine, which basically says fight the people of the book, which Muslims have defined as Christians and Jews until they either pay tribute or become Muslim jizu as the tribute, or they become Muslim, or you fight them to the death. Okay. And there's other verses which literally say Infidels are they who say Jesus is the son of God. Infidels are they who believe in a trinity and to be an infidel people don't understand this. The word caf in the singular is basically to be a default enemy of Islam, a sub human. Essentially, you're not even you know, you just exist to be conquered, trampled upon, subjugated, killed, whatever, until you convert. Okay. So absolutely there's a doctrinal aspect to it, and even more specifically, the details come out in what's called the conditions or the stipulations of Omar. And this is a document that is purportedly was written between the second Khalif Omar and the conquered Christians of Jerusalem, or there's some debate it could be the Second Omar in the eighth century, but be that as it may. It basically tells Christians you have to abide by all these rules, okay, all of which by modern day standards are considered inhumane and absolutely have no fairness or equality. You can't build churches, you can't repair churches. You can't let a Muslim see a cross or a Bible. We don't want to hear your praise or singing. If a Christian wants to convert to Islam, and we could, you know, Muslims convince him one way or the other. You can't interfere. You have to stand up and give your seat to a Muslim if they want it. You have to open your door to Muslim travelers if they want it. So that kind of thing was historically implemented, but it still informs the mentality of a lot of Muslims because that's the proper place of a Christian. He has to be subdued and a second class citizen at best, which is why in many ways this is happening not just in Nigeria, but essentially in any Muslim country that has Christian populations. And I'll close it just by saying that open doors kind of. A human rights organization publishes a report annually called World watch List, which ranks the fifty worst nations in the world that persecute Christians and habitually, I've been reading it for well over our decade. Every annual report about thirty seven thirty eight sometimes more of the fifty nations are Muslim nations. So I think that really underscores what we're talking about here. I want to I have the list number one. I guess This is from the most recent one, the annual report you ran through these numbers, North Korea was number one, which I kind of found surprising for some reason. I don't know. I guess I didn't really ever consider it, but I guess not to defend the North Koreans, but they kind of oppress everybody, so I guess it makes sense that the Christians would be on that list too. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's not that they Yeah, it's not that they're pinpointing Christians. It's just that anyone who dares go against the Supreme Leader, who's a cult figure essentially is the enemy, you know. And but one thing to keep in mind, because you're right, everyone gets shocked sometimes when I talk about Islam, you know, the persecution Christians by Muslims. People go, well, the worst countries North Korea. There has nothing to do with Islam. And the simple reply to that is, yeah, but that is also an aberration. You know. It's not endemic to Korean society. Look at South Korea where Christianity flourishes. So it's not a part of Korean culture or anything intrinsic to it. It's just one guy, okay, who is megalomania. Megalomaniac right, and if and when he's gone, everything can completely change. In Islam, that's not the case. It's not this or that group, this terrorist leader or whatever. It's just the entire nation. It's the entire civilizational block. Which is why when you look at that list, those thirty seven thirty eight countries, Muslim countries, they're completely different. Now, they're different racially. You have like Turks and Arabs, and Persians and East Asians, Indonesians, the Maldas, you have Sub Saharan Africans, and they have different socioeconomic situations and governments, and yet they all do the same sort of thing. Why Because it's Islam. That is the common denominator. It's what you were running through earlier. It sounds a lot like supremacy, a supremacy ideology. Yeah, that's a good way to see it. Actually, Yeah, like we're here, you're all there, and so therefore we get to do all of these things to you just based on our religion. Basically, Islam is inherently a supremacist religion. You know here in the West, everyone is so obsessed with racial supremacy and that kind of idea. But there is such a thing as religious supremacy, and it's alive and well in the Islamic world. I'll give you some of the other nations on that list in a moment. You know. Stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life, and our stories are told through images and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video. Started in nineteen ninety seven in Minhill, North Carolina. It was the first company to provide this valuable service, converting images, photos and videos into high quality produced slide shows, videos and albums. The trusted, talented and dedicated team at Creative Video will go over all of the details with you to create a perfect project. Satisfaction guaranteed. 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But then there is this world watch list put out by Open Door that tracks Christian persecution, the Sannuel Report of the fifty worst countries to be a Christian in and what they reported this year was the worst level of persecution ever. Twenty percent of all Christians in Africa are persecuted. Forty percent of Christians in Asia are persecuted. The worst offending nations number one North Korea, number two, Somalia, number three, Yemen for Libya, number five, Sudan, number six, Eritrea seven Nigeria. So even though like the stat we had there before of one Christian murdered every other hour every two hours in Nigeria, there's still just number seven on this list, followed by Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, India, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar, and nine of these top thirteen countries are Muslim countries, making up seventy percent of the worst persecution from the national list. And here's another thing though that may be shocking to hear. Canada. Canada is seeing hundreds of churches being burned regularly, apparently, like there's a whole bunch of churches getting burned in Canada. Once again, member of the media here, I've seen nothing about this at all. Well, yeah, because it's not reported, and if it is, they'll they'll pretend it's not ourson. But yeah, Canada, this little country, which supposedly is liberal and free and et cetera, has become sort of the epicenter of burned churches, even more so than in Europe. The fact is, you know, before we delve into Canada, a lot of people don't realize that all throughout the world, including in the United States, and increasingly so not just Canada, churches are like almost daily attacked in a lot of vile ways. Feces smeared on them, you know, people urinating on alters, breaking crosses, decapitating statues. That's like a I mean, if we talk globally, several several churches experienced that every single day, so it's definitely a growing thing. But in Canada it's really bad, and it got really bad a few years ago. There was an actual spate of attacks. That's when the media kind of spoke about it. There was something like thirty or forty attacks on churches and maybe in a month, and the pretext was these graves maybe you heard about these native graves were found and the long story short is supposed the idea came out that Catholic missionaries were somehow torturing natives and burying them to hide the evidence. And that's been debunked continuously. Okay, I mean it's just ridiculous, absolutely, but it's been used as a pretext to go on a church burning spree. And the way to understand how this is not even about that, because if it was about that, you would attack. Okay, Catholic churches, that's the logic. They're the ones who supposedly did this, but all sorts of churches, right, yeah, right, including Coptic churches, the same churches in Egypt that are being attacked by Muslims. Coptic people go live in Canada and they probably started immigrating there three decades ago at most, they have nothing to do with these native graves which were supposedly buried a century ago, and their churches are being burned by the same people. And I think the interesting thing about that to me is a lot of people they always they're starting to sense that there's some sort of congruity between Islam and what's called the left. Okay, and yeah, there is. I mean, for example, attacks on churches that, like I said, is something that's very normal by Muslims in the Islamic world and also very much in Europe, constantly happening. But also you see the left is doing it as well, and maybe even more so at this point, and so you kind of start seeing, Okay, while the left is sort of a representative of this sort of extreme liberalism and sexual promise, suity and confusion and you know, the wokeness, and Islam is patriarchical. You know, no one understands how are they in cahoots? Well, it's because the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and their ultimate enemy is Christian civilization. And you can see it in their constant attacks on churches. I mean that's just one example, but there's other examples that we can see and how they both respond in the same way to free speech and criticism. Okay, we know about Islam's blasphemy laws. For example, if you say anything that can be you know, construed as negative or critical about Islam, especially it's prophet, well you can get yourself killed. Well, here in the West, we're starting to notice that if you speak and say just the truth and things that go against what the left wants you to believe, you can go to jail. In fact, most recently I learned that a Spanish priest, a Catholic priest in Spain, is now facing three years in prison because of Islamophobia because he said something critical about Islam. And I just looked into it and what he said is actually just what I'm saying, basic truisms, historical doctrinal truisms. And because of that, the Left, just like Islam, is not going to punish him. So yeah, there's definitely a massive assault on Christianity and Western civilization in general, and it's by what's called the left that's who's really spearheading it. And in many ways, Islam and Muslims are their sort of foot soldiers, but they have the same common enemy and it's all being dissembled because the media works for them, of course. And whether it's the persecution of Christians in Nigeria or whether it's you know what's happening here in Canada. Yeah, it's the Ben Shapiro calls it the Omni cause. And the quote I've been using is, you know, the issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution. It doesn't matter what the particular issue of the day is, just does it help it tear down Western civilization. And if we can attack those foundations, then we all win and it doesn't matter. We'll sort our differences out afterwards, exactly. And that's what I That's what I was alluding to about Nigerian and black lives don't matter there. So here in America, well, yeah, we can explore, we'll exploit one black death, George Floyd and destroy everything because we're acting like we care. But when it comes to hundred and tens and hundreds of thousands of Blacks being slaughtered with machetes and burned alive because of their faith, well we won't even mention it. And not right there approves to you that this isn't about being humanitarian or good or woke. It's about exploiting all these pretextes for their own agendas, which is, like you said, the destruction of the West. We'll have the final portion of the interview with Raymond Ibrahim up next. So when I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, and before he died, my mom and my dad took care of him as he got worse. 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What we see in Nigeria right now and what we saw in Israel on October seventh when Hamas crossed the there, you know, broke through the fence line and murder twelve hundred people. Is that like, We're not like, that's not a coincidence, right. No, no, no. Anyone who's familiar with the true history of Islam will realize that the continuity between what you just described as staggering and unwavering. Okay, so, uh, you know I have it right here. Whoever is interested my main book that I wrote sort in Scimitar fourteenth centuries of war between Islam and the West, which I document from the very beginning. You know, the hostilities and violence and warfare between Muslims and Christians and everything that we're seeing today was on display then even more so so when they tell you that you know, isis or the Islamic state is hijacking Islam, and that's not how Islam has acted in Islam was a beacon of light in the medieval era, et cetera, et cetera. Those are again, once again all lies or what I've dubbed fake history, which is more dangerous than fake news because it sets up false archetypes that people, you know, see reality through. If anything isis is just a small, meager reflection because what we had back then was massive caliphates okay that could martial enormous resources and manpower and unleash them on their enemies, the infidels and all. You know, most people don't realize. Just you know, to summarize this and give you an idea. What's today called the heart of the Islamic world Okay, the Middle they call it Mina, Middle East, North Africa acronym, and the Arab world. Essentially that was all Christian. Not only was it Christian in the seventh century, it was more Christian than Europe. When we think of the past and we think of Christendom, you always think of Europe. People don't realize that. But in the seventh century and before that, the primary heart of Islam, of Christianity, I'm sorry, Christendom was all of North Africa, especially Egypt, especially Syria, especially what we call Turkey Asia Minor. This is why Constantine moved the capital all the way to New Rome Constantinople, which was essentially in Turkey today. That's where all the you know, that's where and of course that makes sense because that's where Christianity was born in the Middle East, so obviously that area was Christianized a lot earlier than distant Europe. Anyway, all of that was conquered by Muslims. So today when you speak about the Arab world, well that is conquered Christian territory. That's why there are still cop to Christians in Egypt and Christians Assyrians in Iraq and Syria because they're the indigenous inhabitants and they were all Christians at the time. So yeah, the whole thing was a long warfare, a long jehat. It was doctrinally backed by the verses I mentioned violence against Christians and Jews and conquests giving them three options, et cetera, and the atrocities that the Muslims engage in, and they're in the book, you know, beggar. The imagination, in fact isis the key to understand Isis is there. They are familiar with the history of Islam and they're consciously trying to emulate it. In fact, people don't realize that a lot of their words, what they used to say, were actual formulaic phrases stripped from early Islamic conquerors and Jihattis and calivehs and sultans, you know, like when they would say we've tasted American blood, is none as sweeter? Well, that that comes from hell. It Bineluel, the Sword of Allah, the first battle against Christian Europe, the Battle of the Armuk in six thirty six. He said, we've tasted Roman blood, done tastes better, and we're here to kill you unless you convert. So it's definitely the the continuity is there, and like I said, unwavering. But the fact that most people don't know that is once again a reflection of how well the liars have been at concealing this. And in this case it would be the first we spoke about the media. Now we're talking really about the academics. Yeah, that's so, I will tell you all, like I saw the line in your right up on the Battle of Yarmouck, where it was, and I remember the line being uttered many many times after by leaders of Islamic countries or terrorist organizations and they would say things like you love life more than or we love death more than you love life, And that comes from that same battle. It's a callback and that's you know, inspiration and to your point. I remember so after nine to eleven, I did a series on Islam in two thousand and one as a young reporter and part of that was to go talk to local Islamic center EMA and he told me, and I was young, in naive, he said Islam means peace. And I said, oh, oh, is that nice? You know? Okay? And I found out years later that correct me if I'm wrong, Peace through the submission to the will of Allah, which I think is a different kind of piece than what I thought he meant when he said Islam means peace. Is that accurate? Yeah, that's accurate. And it's also a word play because in Arabic, you know, several related words are formed from the same trilateral root, triliteral root, three roots, and so the word s l M Salama means peace. But then how you change the vowels, So Islam it's the same three letters, right, means you get submit, you get peace through submission. So Islam is an imperative. The word Islam is an imperative. I can say to you Islam, which I'm basically saying submit, And the idea behind it is in once you do you will have peace and once you and if you don't, you will have war. Raymond Abraham, thank you very much for your time. I do appreciate it. I could talk to you for a lot longer, I suspect, but I've already kept you a little bit past your time. Thank you for your generosity with your time, and would love to do it again someday. Sure sounds good, Pete, thanks a lot. Thank you. All right. That was Raymond Ibrahim. You can find his work at Raymond Ibrahim dot com. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.