The Gen Z gender divide is global (03-29-2024--Hour3)

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[00:00:27] support. Headline from the Financial Times, a new global gender divide is emerging, which

[00:00:37] don't they mean was it like 74 global gender divides are emerging? Don't not just two. Come on,

[00:00:47] man. The editor at the Financial Times, oh sorry no, I apologize, this is from John

[00:00:56] Bern Meredock at the Financial Times. Quote, one of the most well established patterns in

[00:01:02] measuring public opinion, do you know what it is? One of the most well established patterns when

[00:01:08] measuring public opinion is that every generation, when he's the one before, no, every generation

[00:01:17] tends to move as one in terms of its politics and general ideology. That's why when people

[00:01:26] talk about generations, you know, the boomers and millennials and gen Xers, the best one,

[00:01:32] like whenever people talk about generations there are certain patterns that these generations

[00:01:38] follow. They all grew up at the same time. They have sort of the same historical reference

[00:01:43] points and cultural contexts and stuff. Its members share the same formative experiences. He

[00:01:50] says, the members reach life's big milestones at the same time and intermingle in the same spaces.

[00:01:57] So how should we make sense of reports that Gen Z is hyper progressive but on certain issues,

[00:02:10] but on other issues, it's really conservative. What's the deal with that? Why would that be

[00:02:19] the case? Why are they splitting like this? It's one generation. Why would they be super progressive

[00:02:24] and super conservative? Well, today's under 30s are undergoing a great gender divergence. Young

[00:02:34] women in the former camp and young men in the latter. In other words, young women are becoming

[00:02:40] super progressive and young men are becoming more conservative. Gen Z is basically two generations,

[00:02:52] one of women and one of men. Now, of course, there's going to be some crossover there, right? There

[00:02:59] will be some, you know, Gen Z women that probably identify more as conservative and so they would

[00:03:06] be like trans conservatives or something. I don't know, but an advice for us, you know,

[00:03:11] hashtag not all Gen Zs in countries on every continent. An ideological gap has opened up. So this

[00:03:20] isn't just America. This is amazing. This is happening all over the globe.

[00:03:27] An ideological gap has opened up between young men and women. Tens of millions of people who

[00:03:34] occupy the same cities, the same workplaces, the same classrooms and even the same homes no longer

[00:03:41] see eye to eye. In America, Gallup polling has data that shows after decades where the sexes

[00:03:49] were each spread roughly equally across liberal and conservative worldviews. Now women age 18-30

[00:03:59] are 30 points more liberal than their male contemporaries. And this gap of this 30 percentage point

[00:04:09] gap between men and women Gen Z, this gap has opened up in just six years. Germany, Poland, South Korea,

[00:04:20] even China, even China. In Africa, Tunisia has the same pattern. In every country this split is either

[00:04:31] exclusive to the younger generation or if you see it in older generations, it's just not as pronounced

[00:04:40] as it is in the younger one. According to the Financial Times, they claim that the

[00:04:49] Me Too movement was the key trigger, giving rise to fiercely feminist values among young women

[00:04:55] who felt empowered to speak out against long running injustices.

[00:05:03] Okay, that may be that's part of it. Or maybe there's something else going on. Or maybe there's

[00:05:11] something going on in addition to this. Right? Because I'm sure this is a factor. But there's

[00:05:17] something else going on. I can tell you spoiler alert. I could tell you what the other thing going

[00:05:20] on is and that is peer pressure. And young women are far more susceptible to the types of

[00:05:30] quote social contagions than men are. Young men are more obviously persuaded to do stupid things by

[00:05:40] peer pressure like, you know, drive real fast or take physical risks and stuff like that. But

[00:05:46] as far as the peer pressure goes for politics and ideology, this is something that is driven in

[00:05:55] large part particularly by like in the teenage years. It's most acute among females. South Korea

[00:06:03] is actually an extreme situation. Its marriage rate has plummeted. The birth rate has fallen

[00:06:10] precipitously dropping to 0.78 births per woman. That is the lowest of any country in the world.

[00:06:19] 0.78. I believe this is what they call the demographic death spiral where you're not replacing your

[00:06:28] own population fast enough and therefore your population ages and then your civilization dies out.

[00:06:38] 0.78. The trend in most countries has been one of women shifting left while men stand still.

[00:06:47] But there are signs now that young men are actively moving to the right in Germany. Uh-oh.

[00:06:56] 0.78. I kid the Germans where today's under 30 males are more opposed to immigration than their

[00:07:06] elders and have shifted towards the far right AFD party in recent years. It would be easy, which by

[00:07:13] the way, like this is a problem too with like these the categorization of certain positions as far

[00:07:21] right versus right versus left versus moderate versus far left, you know, open borders for example.

[00:07:28] Is that a far left idea? I mean, I don't know because the libertarian party seems to be cool with

[00:07:33] open borders, right? Is that a far right ideology? Well on some things I guess it could be considered

[00:07:38] that way. But opposed to immigration, does that like depends on what kind of immigration you're talking

[00:07:48] about, right? I think so. See this is why I am just I am a nightmare for pollsters because they

[00:07:55] ask me questions and I start dissecting the question like what do you? I mean, that's a terrible

[00:07:59] question. And you're like, what about this and what about that? And they're like, all right,

[00:08:02] well, thank you for your time. They just abandoned the goal because they got to hit quota. You know,

[00:08:06] they got to they got to do a certain number of calls and get a certain number of respondents in

[00:08:10] a certain amount of time. It would be easy to say this is all a phase and that this is all going to

[00:08:15] pass. But the ideology gaps are only growing data shows that people's formative political experiences

[00:08:23] are hard to shake off. All of this is exacerbated by the fact that the proliferation of smart

[00:08:29] phones and social media mean that young men and women now increasingly inhabit separate spaces

[00:08:35] and experience separate cultures. It's like we used to say, you know, men are from Mars and women

[00:08:43] are from Venus. But now I guess you could say like men are from Texas and women are from California.

[00:08:50] That's that's where this is going. I'm sure this will work out fine. I mean, that's at a

[00:08:55] societal level. I'm sure it's a little bit fine. Now, don't worry. I would not present to you

[00:09:02] this sort of the story without offering up a potential solution, right? Because you know me. I am

[00:09:08] all about solutions came across a piece by Emma Joe Morris writing at brightbarke.com

[00:09:17] dating app culture is keeping people lonely. That's the headline. Don't worry. Don't worry though.

[00:09:24] It's not it's not doom and gloom here. Got some good news.

[00:09:28] Emma Joe Morris at brightbarke.com

[00:09:32] I have friends she says who tell me that I have the best dating luck in the world.

[00:09:38] But it's not luck. She says, I say, I tell them her advice to her friends is to use the dating apps.

[00:09:47] Just reject the app culture. She says in the age of constant connectivity and dates at our

[00:09:57] fingertips, a majority of young people are lonely. Have I told you that my wife and I have been

[00:10:03] watching this program called Love is Blind. It's on Netflix. Do you watch it too, Tommy? No.

[00:10:09] I have not watched it before with partners. You've watched it with partners.

[00:10:16] You know, even others.

[00:10:18] Out of partner.

[00:10:24] Okay, but different partners over the course of the several seasons. I'm guessing.

[00:10:30] Never the same season with the same partner. Okay, that's a rule. No, I'm not saying it's a rule.

[00:10:35] That just worked out that way. It just worked out that way. All right. I like the premise of

[00:10:41] the show. I do. Like, Chrissy and I started watching this. It's been on for like six years. I

[00:10:46] want to say we just stumbled across it a couple months ago. And then this last season it was in

[00:10:57] Charlotte. And it's a lot of people who are they live in Charlotte but they're not really from

[00:11:02] Charlotte because it's Charlotte. So there were a couple. There were a couple people from Charlotte

[00:11:10] but the idea is they put I think it's like 15 guys, 15 gals and they put them in this house basically.

[00:11:20] But the house is separated by sex. I know. They have separated men versus women not versus but

[00:11:28] all the guys are hanging out on one side of the facility and the girls are on another side

[00:11:32] and they run through this. I think it's like two weeks or something and they go on quote-dates. It's

[00:11:38] like a speed dating thing except they have these pods set up where you the guys go into their

[00:11:43] side of the pod. The girls go into the other side of the pod and there's a wall between them but

[00:11:46] they can talk through the wall so they there I guess it's Mike Dup or whatever and they can hear

[00:11:51] each other. But they can't see each other. And so the idea there is that they start talking about

[00:11:58] important things although I am surprised how few of them actually talk about the most important

[00:12:05] like politics, religion, a couple of them do but many of them don't. They fall in love then they

[00:12:12] see each other after they've proposed and they're going to they're like where did it marry? That's

[00:12:16] the whole thing. Like some of this is art. I mean no a lot of it is this artificial pressure

[00:12:21] of a timeline and they do that for TV purposes and I get it and then it induces all of the drama

[00:12:27] that people get hooked on but I like the concept of the show. I just wish they would do it in a more

[00:12:34] I don't know humane because they force people into you know rushing to the aisle or to the

[00:12:41] altar in order to get married on this compressed timeline, whatever. So but the premise I like

[00:12:48] because you get to know the people before you see them and so a lot of times you hear these

[00:12:53] people say like you're not the kind of person I would go for if I saw you out in a bar or if I met

[00:12:59] you somewhere I would like you're not my type and what people think is their type that they are

[00:13:03] attracted to turns out not to be the person that actually fulfills them. So what Emma Joe Morris is

[00:13:11] saying is that these apps are constantly feeding you the next person that you could go on a date with

[00:13:21] and so you're not building any kind of connection with the people that you're initially matched with

[00:13:29] a lot of people are lonely young people especially they're lonely they can't find anybody to be with

[00:13:38] because there are too many people there's too many I mean even the show that I'm talking about they

[00:13:44] only give like 15 girls 15 guys you know and not everybody finds somebody in that in that you know

[00:13:50] speed dating pod experience of two weeks. There's only like three four five couples that come out of

[00:13:57] there and then like most of them don't get married but one or two do for real they get married in

[00:14:04] like four weeks which that just used to be the way things were done too like back.

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[00:15:30] and is used under license I feel like this is really good advice though for people who are

[00:15:36] dating and they're using the apps and look I've been like I've you know been married now

[00:15:43] for almost well for 14 years and Christian I started dating five years prior to that so yeah four

[00:15:52] years part of that so like we haven't been in the dating world in a long time so I don't I don't know

[00:15:59] what all the kids today all the folks are using nowadays but the dating apps I've met so many people

[00:16:04] that like now it's it's a regular thing and to me it's no different it's funny like when I

[00:16:09] you know 20 years ago when these things first started out yet like match dot com was like the only

[00:16:16] game or e-harmony right those were like the big ones I think right and there was always sort of

[00:16:22] this awkwardness or almost embarrassment that people had when they're like oh we met online and

[00:16:27] I never thought anything of that it's just a different way people met especially as you know used

[00:16:32] to be you met people through church then it's like now you meet people through your employer right a

[00:16:38] lot of people meet at work work events and that kind of thing so it's just a different way people

[00:16:44] ended up meeting each other anyway the problem though in this I heard Jordan Peters and talking

[00:16:51] about this as well this idea of overwhelmed by the choices because it causes like a paralysis you

[00:16:58] have too many choices and the example he gives is you have a you know three-year-old and if you

[00:17:04] tell them to pick out any outfit that they want like you're going to you're going to a birthday party

[00:17:10] go pick out any outfit you want and the kid is staring at you know 30 different outfits in their

[00:17:16] closet and they just are overwhelmed and they they they act out because they they're overwhelmed

[00:17:21] they don't know what to do because there are so many choices so what appearance do you pick out

[00:17:25] like three outfits you lay them on the bed and you say pick one of these three and now the child

[00:17:33] gets to feel some sort of agency and control right without being overwhelmed because if you just

[00:17:38] said here where this the kid would also reject that right the kid would be mad about that too so

[00:17:44] that's what these apps seem to me to be kind of creating one of the reasons the apps especially

[00:17:51] dating apps are so popular is that they simulate relationships and a vast network of connections

[00:17:57] the problem that poses is that meaningful relationships require attention and investment so

[00:18:05] users find themselves getting constant connectivity maybe even a faint sensation of romance

[00:18:12] but none of the connections have any substance users get the illusion that they can find thousands

[00:18:19] of people to date but then don't actually date anybody right because you can always just go back

[00:18:26] to the app with scores of apps designed to create romantic partnerships available 61 percent

[00:18:33] of young people say they are chronically lonely 61 percent isn't that amazing it's according

[00:18:39] to a Harvard survey a record share 25 percent of 40 year olds in America have never been married

[00:18:48] sex is on the decline reports calling the phenomenon a sex recession or a sex drought with

[00:18:54] one in four adults reporting having no sex in 2018 the share of those people ages 18 to 29

[00:19:00] doubling in the last decade and other sexual encounters that do happen staggering numbers are

[00:19:06] non-committal the current generation is apparently the most connected but at the same time the most

[00:19:14] isolated there's one app called hinge I guess I've not heard of this one but the CEO of this app

[00:19:24] Justin McLeod he told the financial times that users are experiencing dating app burnout or as I call it

[00:19:33] dab and they say it's due to being overwhelmed there's so much activity so many people everyone

[00:19:40] starts to look the same and conversations are dying at the other end of the spectrum a lot of

[00:19:46] users get very very little activity and they burn out because they're trying to get that match

[00:19:52] they send a lot of likes but then they're not even getting enough activity reciprocated to them

[00:19:57] to go on one date and why would they win nothing much distinguishes one user from another

[00:20:05] so this is what emigzo moris writes she says it's not the apps it's the culture around the apps

[00:20:13] the problem is that people are treating matches who are actual human beings right with their own

[00:20:23] individual traits and feelings and everything else right but they're treating these people as

[00:20:30] disposable and interchangeable and that's not the fault of the app per se it's the people that are

[00:20:36] using it you repeat this for you know hundreds of times years on end and yes that's probably

[00:20:45] what McLeod is talking about with the burnout if not burned out then just bored so she says she

[00:20:51] joined the app hinge she was 25 and she said I would take a different path she says I got on

[00:21:00] the app and I deleted it the same day the plan was meet one person that's it one person

[00:21:09] and then go out on a date with that one person and maybe hopefully a couple dates but to

[00:21:15] delete the app when I had first had set the first date and then only to download it again when

[00:21:23] I decided it certainly wouldn't work out with that person right that was the plan no Monday person

[00:21:29] no Wednesday person you know you're not talking to this one talking to that one right one person

[00:21:34] at a time even if there could be somebody else available on another day didn't matter she says I

[00:21:38] was going to actually give the person I'd meet a chance to have my attention another point in her

[00:21:45] plan was to never open a conversation with hey what's up which like if you got to take that off

[00:21:54] the table then I don't know what Gen Z dudes are going to do or for that matter most dudes

[00:22:01] but anyway she says I was going to only chat with somebody who there was something to say to

[00:22:07] based on the prompts on their profile I would only speak to somebody if I had something to say

[00:22:11] or to ask that I myself would like to read or respond to right so I would actually be interested

[00:22:16] in what this person had to say so she starts the swiping you know I don't know which what is it swipe

[00:22:22] left is bad right left is bad which is that's a good rule of thumb left is bad right is good okay

[00:22:32] and so she finds a match the profile included some photos there's a student at a school of visual arts

[00:22:39] listed as the application or occupation religion listed as Jewish profile says no drinking no smoking

[00:22:47] no drugs and so she says to this person what kind of artist has no vices

[00:22:56] and this person responded quote my artistic inspiration comes by practicing mindfulness which to me

[00:23:03] like I'm out but whatever she's like she says I had just read a lot she had just read about mindfulness

[00:23:10] actually and so she said that back and then they they they chitchat a little bit and they go out on a

[00:23:16] date and then she deleted the app and that date was five years ago and they are married apps

[00:23:27] are not making people lonely what's making so many people lonely is treating other people like there

[00:23:33] is a better newer version of every one you meet and you can meet them next week and you could go

[00:23:40] meet them in the week after that in the week after that in the week after that nobody is more than

[00:23:44] just a two dimensional profile on your screen but that means you yourself to are a two dimensional

[00:23:50] profile she says dating apps are a revolutionary tool in dating and marriage and they're just being

[00:23:57] used wrong what makes the online dating experience work is the same thing that makes any relationship

[00:24:04] work no matter how it started treat others and yourself as a serious and valued person okay if

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[00:25:03] go out message here from Amy in Wonderland who says that the apps the dating apps create the

[00:25:11] culture or at the very least greatly contributed to it well well so I can see that and I think for

[00:25:19] some people yes that is true but also there's a whole other like the the club scene right

[00:25:27] uh christian i we met at a bar so like there's that whole scene too right and if you are only going

[00:25:36] to the bar scene to the clubs in order to you know date lots and lots of people and you're not

[00:25:43] actually interested in finding a uh a spouse well yet then yes you can you can do that right

[00:25:51] that was the original dating app scene right I guess um but it yet so yes you would not be able to

[00:25:59] live this culture um without the use of the apps no doubt about that however if you don't want

[00:26:08] to live in that culture if you claim you're trying to find somebody I thought that emma jomeris's

[00:26:15] advice is some pretty good advice right is to just use the app to find a date a date and when

[00:26:24] you find a date delete the app go on the date go on a couple dates get to know the person right then

[00:26:32] if it doesn't work out read download the app I know you're gonna have to like recreate the profile

[00:26:39] well I don't know actually do you I don't even know you maybe don't even have to recreate the

[00:26:43] profile that might just like you just read download it and it's like oh hey I remember you

[00:26:49] so no luck on that last one huh like that's the message you get I'm just kidding it doesn't do that

[00:26:54] no I'm just kidding I kid um I did mention this story earlier

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