The dumbassery of Tony and the Mecklenburg Sheriff (04-24-2025--Hour3)

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He tells the tale that ICE had taken into custody a person outside of the jail, I assume who had just been released or something, and how he talked to these ICE agents and he gave them his phone number, and he needs to have some collaboration with them to protect everybody's safety. He alone can do the safety protecting while not collaborating with ICE. He's wanting, I guess ICE to call his personal cell phone. I guess you know you know what. Ice, Here you go. I'm going to give you some advice. Ice. Okay, give McFadden's phone number to every single ICE agent involved in any of these efforts, and they should just keep calling Gary non stop. Just keep calling him every ten minutes and asking him, are you turning anybody loose right now? Okay? Thanks? Wait ten minutes, call him up again. Hey, are you turning anybody loose right now? Okay? Hang up? Call back ten minutes, turning anybody loose right now? And just keep doing that. I don't know any other way around it. He refuses to call ICE to tell ICE that they're about to release somebody who has gotten bonded out or is allowed to leave the jail. ICE puts in a detainer request on a person. That detainer request says, please call us at the following numbers forty eight hours or as soon as possible before you release this person. And McFadden's argument is that is not a requirement under the law. He does not have to do that now. His original argument was that he can't keep people for the length of the detainer, the forty eight hours that he cannot do that because he would have been sued. So then the state came in and said, yes, you can do that. And so now it's like, well, they don't tell me, I have to call them. See, he's constantly finding ways to no, not cooperate. It's very clear. But he wants to now gaslight me and you and everybody that the real impediment here is ICE not wanting to work with him. It's crap, It's just garbage. But that's our sheriff. Okay, So now that I have reset the table, now we'll see if Tony is aware and ready to talk, because I went to him earlier and then he was not ready to chat. So Tony, are you there? Can you hear me? Sirt? I can hear you? Just fine? Now? Yes, Yeah, I've kind of wanted to find out why you're not calling out any of the surrounding county sheriffs, Union County, Gason County, Cleveland County. I haven't heard anything about them cooperating with ICE. I hadn't heard anything about them not cooperating with ICE. So what is your information about them? Department? They are all cooperating with ICE. In fact, Gary McFadden is one of only four sheriffs in the entire state that are not cooperating with ICE. So when you say cooperating, what are they doing? They are alerting ICE that they've got somebody in their jail arrested for something. And that person is okay, do you want You don't want to hear the rest of the answer there. You asked me how they're cooperating, and I. Was explaining that, how do you how do you know that? How do I know that? Well? Because ICE has said the calling are. They calling you and saying hey man, we just I there? Are they calling me in? What are they call you and letting you know that they're calling you Ice? How do you know that? They all say that, all of the sheriffs have done that. That's that, that's their process. You know that? How do you how do you know? How do you know? You're on the radio right. Now because I'm talking to an idiot. No, that doesn't matter. That could be a figment of your imagination. You don't know anything, Tony. I mean that's actually more true than just this case. But like you hear and this man, yes, I do absolutely I bashed the man solutely. That's that's not his job to call. Yes it is, that's not in his description, is it is Graff a sheriff? That was not in the description. No, I know he made campaign prompt No, Tony, he made campaign promises that he would not cooperate with ICE, and so me bashing him for not cooperating with Ice, Well, it's completely it's completely logical. Well no, no, no, it's not logic. How is it not logical? Definitely not logic. How is that? Well, for one, you should, for one, at least you should give him credit. Uh no, at least keeping those words, because all these other politicians get up there and lie. But that's not his job. That is not in the shrift the sheriff job description? What is in what is in? What is in the sheriff's job description? Listen, listen? Why can't Ice set up an office in the sheriff department? They did, They had something that well, they had the next best thing to exactly what you've just described. It was called the two eighty seven G program and he scraped it. Okay, what happened with that? He dismantled it, He scrapped it. Okay, well Nessie, I don't see why he would do that. Because he said he would not cooperate with ICE, and they had a two eighty seven g program that facilitated this very thing. And the first thing he did when he took over as sheriff was he scrapped it. I'm telling you go right ahead. And look it up, Tony. Tony, just because you're ignorant of something doesn't mean it's not true. No no, I don't believe you, not one bit. But you don't have to believe me, Tony. You go do your own research. I dare you too. I dare you. That's exactly what I'm gonna do. Good because Jess the only sheriff that's the only sheriff that you are no meaning. It's not oh no, no, no no. I he is the only sheriff that I call not my fault McFadden, because he's the one that I have that I have more direct knowledge of and his actions. But the other sheriffs, there's one in Durham, there was one up in Asheville, Quentin Miller. He got elected when I was still up there at the time too, and they all ran because this was twenty eighteen. They all ran on the same promise to scrap the two eighty seven G program and to stop cooperating with ICE. Okay, so why can't that just be legislated? Why do you think the state legislature has passed a law trying to force the sheriffs to comply with the ICE detainer requests, and now they're having to do another piece of legislation to try to stop McFadden from ignoring the phone from not making the phone calls. I'm not making the phone calls. That's what they're trying to. Like, McFadden keeps finding ways to not cooperate with ICE, and the state legislature has now done one law. They're fixing to do a second one directly aimed at McFadden and the Durham Sheriff and the Astville Sheriff to try to get them to comply to cooperate with ICE. Well, let's see how that works. Happened. Let's be obviously obviously it's something that that's wrong about it. Uh, if it's not, he's not breaking the law, because he's not. I did did I say he's breaking the law? Did I say he's breaking the law? No, he's not, but you act like he is. No, I don't. I never said he's breaking a law. Doing his job. No, he's not. What is his job again, what's his job description? His job is he's the sheriff of Mecklinburg County. That's his title. What's his job description? You keep mentioning his job description. What is the job description. He's the sheriff of Mecklenburg, that's the title. What's the job description? Last chance? You tell me? No, you tell me because you seem to know what it is, what it is in it, and what is not in it. County, you can keep Tony, Tony, you can keep screaming that he is the sheriff of Mecklinburg County and it doesn't advance the conversation at all. You Tony, Tony, you said, you said that it is not in his job description. I asked you what is his job description? And you obviously do not know. That's my point. You don't know, So you're making an argument, Tony. Once again, you are making an argument berest of knowledge. You just you just you just calling this man out because you don't like him. No, I'm calling him out for his actions, Tony. I'm calling him out for his Do you well, do you like a sheriff that oversees a jail that has a dozen people die in custody? Do you like that? That's okay? Yeah? Do you know what he's what his record has been running the jail? You said a dozen people have died in his custom? Yeah? Well how many? How many? How many prisoners have died in Central Prison in Raleigh, North Carolina? Not a dozen? Yeah? Not a dozen? Yeah? See Gary McFadden. Gary McFadden's jail has been investigated by the state under the Roy Cooper administration multiple times, cited for failures, which which which families are suing him and the jail and the the county over those failures. See this isn't it, Tony, Tony, Tony, I got a run. But you should just do one thing. Aside from looking up the two eighty seven g program and educating yourself on that, another thing you should do is entertain the possibility that the reason why I am so hard on this guy is because he is a terrible sheriff. It's got nothing to do with anything other than that he's not good at the gig. The Charlotte Observer Editorial Board agrees with me on that he is not fit for the office. Tony Call again enjoyed it all? Right, If you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app, and it's a website, and it combines news from around the world in one place so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, dot news slash pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. 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The threat to withhold funding causes them irreparable injury in the form of budgetary uncertainty, deprivation of constitutional rights, and undermining trust between the cities and counties and the communities they serve. Congress better do something about this, all right, James, Welcome to the program. Hey James, how are you doing. Brother? Hey, I'm good. What's going on? I don't know, it's just after that phone call, man, I don't know if I should be the guy to talk to No. You know, a couple of things I want to like reiterate. You know, the sheriff is the highest law of the land, and you know when you have a man in that position, he's supposed to do his job at the highest law of the land. And look, if you got somebody that's deported or illegally in this country, you know you're supposed to do your job. I mean, and hopefully we're getting things better to where all these different agencies are talking together. But the thing is there illegally for some reason. And you know, yeah, maybe they have some good family this and this and that or whatever in this country, but they're here illegally, right. Two thing is yeah, but. Yeah, But my point is he's not doing his job. I mean, why would you never communicate with ice, Why would you never communicate with the other authorities. I mean, if this guy's incarcerated, it's for a reason. Right. So the thing to keep in mind here is that if you are an illegal alien and you are in the Mecklenburg County jail, you are there because you were picked up and arrested for some crime, not being. Issues then just being illegal. Correct, not being here illegally. That that is not the That is not why you're in the jail. You're in the jail because you violated a law. You were picked up by police and they brought you to the jail so you could be held until you're bond and then you can bond out. But the Ice people are like, hey, you're about to you got somebody he is deportable. Hold on to them, We'll come get them. And Uh, can I. Ask you something? How how can it is it constitutionally correct that you have a legal American in there and they're prosecuted one way and then illegal is prosecuted another way. I don't know if they're not. I don't No, I don't believe there's a difference there. I don't believe there's a difference in the. There is, but there is. The point is my point is like, if I got incarcerated, I'm going to be whatever I did. I mean, just pick whatever crime. He will be fully prosecuted. Well, why are they treated the same? They are for that crime, not for the deportation exactly. But and I'm trying to get there, I'm trying to get around the corner. But the thing is there, weren't I mean, they came in here illegally. Why the hell would our sheriff never give them to the proper authorities to take care of it properly? Because his voter base put him in that office in twenty eighteen based on the promise that he would not cooperate with ICE. That's what that makes no sense. No, it does because the previous sheriff, I remember when the two eighty seven G program started up here in Mecklimber County, Sheriff Jim Pendograph had a bunch of news conferences. I interviewed him many many times over the years. He then got a job with the Bush administration where he told other sheriff's offices around the nation how to do this two eighty seven G program, and he helped others implement it, and it started spreading all over the country, and then you had a backlash against it by the time. So after Pentagraph, it was Chip Bailey, and then after Bailey, it was I'm drawing a blank on his name, Carmichael, and they all kept yeah. So he had the two eighty seven G program that that existed and was used to identify and an alert ICE and then ICE would come get them. And then when McFadden took over when he won the election, he the first thing he did, after he fired a bunch of Carmichael's people, he then scrapped two eighty seven G. And that's why he and he blinded himself basically to illegal aliens that are in the jails. That was his promise, and he has said in his public press statements, he has said that he does not believe deportation will solve the illegal immigration problem. He's flat out said that the Holy ship. What are you going to do else with them? I mean they're not here legally. I mean what are we supposed to do? Just pay for their life forever as a hard paying taxpayer. Yeah, But my other point, no, he just doesn't want them incarcerated. He doesn't he doesn't want them to be deported. He'll incarcerate them if they commit a crime. But if they are, if they bond out, he's not going to tell Ice that they're bonding them out. James. I appreciate the call. By the way, he said hold the ship just in case anybody was curious. Chris, Welcome to the program. Hello, Chris, Hey, bete Hey, real quick. I just wanted to say that if I've never heard a better drop the mic moment than you were when you wrapped up with Tony. You handled it great, but you would think it. You know, every time he calls he's get sent to school, you would think hopefully one day he comes back with something different, but you it's always a homework he has to come back and do. But he never seems to change his point of view. But that is true. Well, I appreciate that. I am curious the next time if Tony ever does call again, I have to try to remember to ask him what he learned about the two eighty seven G program because I have a suspicion. Yeah, I have a suspicion he's not actually going to go look that up. No, I'll say that tongue in cheek. Yeah, he gets he gets sent to school every time he calls. But well you would think at some point it would, you know, come back and say, oh, you were right. But that's not gonna happen here. No, yeah, because he would have to do the homework first, and Tony doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that does that kind of homework. So yeah, Chris, I appreciate the call. All right, thank you, I appreciate it. Man. Yeah, Twitter is blowing up here. Shannon says, bless you forever engaging with quote unquote Tony the erm or urn Sorry says maybe McFadden could implement like the one Mississippi two, Mississippi three, Mississippi four, Mississippi five, Mississippi. Go the McFadden way or the highway. Yeah, like give everybody as they come out of the jail, you got to give them five seconds. Or as another one mentioned, three steps, give me three steps. Tony's opinion to fact ratio is horrible, says Jonathan. Gary says Tony is a moron, makes a moronic statement, can't defend himself when challenged and called you an idiot. Tony should go to Cleveland County and challenge Sheriff Allan Norman about if he enforces the law. Please tell me how that goes well in the Union County Sheriff I interviewed him a couple months back at the barbecue and we talked about this and he said, yeah, we you come into our jail, we're gonna tell ice, they're gonna take you away. I'm not trying to punish you with Tony. Tony seems to have two criteria dem party and race. It does doesn't matter how incompetent or bad somebody is at their job. And Steve says, Tony's dumbassary is always good for a laugh. Indeed, it is. It's like a cat playing with a ball of yarn. For me, you know, I just I can't help myself. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. 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So I'm not sure how fast or how fast he was able to get down from his office, or how close he may have been, but he got the call and he immediately swoops on over there to be able to talk to these three ICE agents and stressing the need for collaboration. This is the guy that refuses to call them. He refuses to call them again. I don't know where this operation took place. It sounds like it took place outside the doors, which actually makes sense because I'm not so sure the Sheriff's office would allow the ICE agents in there to take somebody into custody. Maybe they would, I don't know. But obviously ICE somehow knew that this person was about to be released or something, or would be there at the time, or maybe they followed them there right because as I told the story about a month ago of the ICE operation that occurred literally in front of my door from somebody who lived down the street, and they had vehicles set up and when he came down the road, they surrounded him. He tried to run, he crashed his car. An ICE agent rammed him to immobilize the vehicle, and then he got out and he started running through the neighborhood. He ran down behind people's homes, scared the beageebis out of some little kids that were playing in their basement. And they got him and they brought him and they brought him back. They threw him in the car and then all the agents took off. They never searched his car, That's what that was about. They never searched the car, right, so they didn't care what was in the car. This guy had some order of deportation on him, and they they waited for him and they got him. So I suspect something similar occurred yesterday at the courthouse. And Gary is all upset about this. So he gives these ice agents his personal cell phone number. For what purpose? For what purpose? You're not calling them? Are you gonna call them? Are you gonna let them know? Hey, we've had this guy, we'll call him Abrago Garcia. We've had him in the UH in our jail for you know, two months, and oh he just bonded out. He just finally got the bond together and he's getting out. And so just a heads up, if you want to take him into custody, you can get him before he bonds out because the safer thing to do for the community, particularly the migrant community, is to take this person into custody at the jail while you still have control over him. It's not to let him walk out the door where he could then get into a fight with somebody with the agents injure people, he takes off running, gets hit by a car, causes an accident, whatever like. Now you have increased the variabilities to such a degree that you've made it dangerous. That's why you do it in the court, or you do it in the jailhouse. That's why ICE wants to take custody of these people in the jails. They've already been arrested for some sort of criminal activity. This isn't getting picked up for driving without a license. They've done something to warrant their arrest. They are in the jail. They are illegal aliens that committed some crime for which they were arrested, and ICE would like you to hold on to them and give them a heads up so they can come get them in a secure environment. And McFadden refuses to do it. He campaigned on a promise not to cooperate. The state legislature had to pass a law to try to force him to cooperate, and then he found a way to continue not cooperating because the detainer request from ICE to the Sheriff's office requests a phone call. It doesn't mandate, see, and if it doesn't mandate the call, then I don't have to do that and I shouldn't have to call them. What do they want me to call every time? No? Just these guys, Gary, Just these ones, the ones that have the deportation detainer requests on them, Call ICE for them. But no, he doesn't want to. He's got to be seen as fighting ICE. But he also wants you to believe that he's willing to collaborate. He wants to cooperate, and that's garbage. He is lying. That's what narcissistic sociopaths do. Not that I am qualified to diagnose him as such. It just kind of seems like that. But he lies and he uses language to manipulate. That's what he did with this press release. There's no reason to send out this press release. Why would he send out a press release? Nobody knew this happened. Look at me, everybody, I'm willing to cooperate. Look at me, Look at me, Ugh, it's just so tedious, but it's also very dangerous. He's the top law enforcement officer in Mecklenburg County. And again I would point out local Democrat officials in the court system can petition to remove him. There is a way to get him removed from office for maladministration, and Democrats have to do that. You are all complicit, all right. So spring is here a time of renewal and celebrations. You've got graduations, weddings, anniversaries, and the special days for mom and dad. 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Russ says, I used to think that I would enjoy getting to know Tony the caller. We'd have a conversation, learn a little from each other's experiences, and stress test preconceived notions. I've come to realize that you couldn't even discuss the merits of chocolate versu. Vanilla ice cream because he would deny the existence of one of those. It's probably true, Good Wahoo, says Pete McFadden is a total clown, but unfortunately a dangerous one who has literally made Mecklenberg County more dangerous for its residents and law enforcement that must deal with his policies. But what is even more disturbing is he is just a reflection of far too many voters who vote for him over and over, knowing how ba sad he is, all seemingly in some sort of cut your nose off despite your face irrational behavior. Oh, and Tony is a prime example of that. We have some more breaking news. A judge has now blocked parts of Trump's election executive order, including the proof of citizenship mandate for voter registration. There was actually another trying to find out where it is. It had to do with the oh, it's a block an order blocking his order on no teaching DEI. A judge just issued an injunction against that too. Here it is, well, Mike Davis with the Article three project. He says, I want to get this straight. Biden can set up DEI, which is illegal racial discrimination. So he can set it up, but Trump can't end it. Right. That's where we are. District Court enters injunction effective immediately barring Trump administration's implementation of Department of Education efforts to combat DEI. Remember the show I did on the fourth Turning. One of the predictions that has yet to occur, that the author, the loan surviving author. There were two of them. One of them passed away. But one of the predictions was that in the fourth turning or season, if you will, and we are in the fourth turning, he says, now, which is the winter the winter is marked by crisis. He identified he predicted back in nineteen ninety six a series of events, all of which came true, except for the final prediction, which was about a nullification crisis. That's what he believed would occur. There would be a nullification crisis of some kind. And he has talked about and we played clips of this. He talked about it being states versus federal right, or a city versus federal, or a city versus state, or something like that, like these governmental units against each other, much like the Civil War. Nullification at the heart of that right, and there isn't an off ramp for these governmental entities and the people who populate the offices, there's no off ramp for them because they're both asserting power against the other and then neither one can back away, and so it just keeps getting ratcheted up. And I am wondering if judicial nullification counts because the fourth turning is marked by crisis. And in American history, the turnings are each about twenty years. They trace this pattern back throughout American history but also in other societies as well. And after four turnings, four twenty year increments, you basically have an entirely new population, almost an entirely new population, because everybody has died and been replaced, and so people now do not remember the last winter, the last crisis season. They're all gone. And you think about it, our I mean, the generation that remembers the Great Depression in World War II, that generation is now largely passed. And it's a very, very in depth on all of the different turnings, and they're you know, what they're marked by and all of this. But this fourth turning is the one where you have the crisis of some kind. And in American history it has always been war. Now the cause is can be internal or external or both. And he one of his predictions in the fourth turning would be to would be this nullification crisis. And I'm looking at all of these orders from all of these judges, and the center is not holding, folks, it's not holding. I keep telling people, recognize where we are, you know. And I'm not saying that to scare people. I'm saying that to prepare people, myself included. I don't know what this is going to look like. I'm just like you, I have no idea. I'm just looking at these signs and I see more and more judges that are now becoming more and more embolden. I'm seeing a US Supreme Court that's refusing to reign in their courts because those federal district courts, they are there to lighten the load of the US Supreme Court. They're there to dispose of cases that never go all the way up to the US Supreme Court level. And if this is what we are now seeing, this kind of behavior among these judges, just blocking anything that the president is doing, even when he's when he's tearing up an executive order that the previous guy did, Like what are we doing here, guys? And where is Congress? What are you guys doing? Because at some point the executive branch is going to say, just like Jackson, right now, let's see him enforce it. He has his order. That's great, Now let's see him enforce it. What do you think happens? Then? All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 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