The AWFL head of NPR is awful... but perfect for the job (03-27-2025--Hour2)

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[00:00:28] The head of NPR, Catherine Marr, along with the head of PBS, Paula Kerger, appeared at a congressional hearing yesterday. It did not go very well for Ms. Marr, Catherine Marr, who, by the way, used to be the head of Wikipedia.

[00:00:50] And also, I believe she is still a board member for Signal. Yeah. Just a happy coincidence there.

[00:01:09] Before the newscast, we were going over, we were listening to some of the audio from Brandon Gill and his questioning of Catherine Marr, where he just basically reads her own tweets back to her and asks her, basically, to defend what she said. When you say, you know, Trump is a deranged racist, yeah, deranged racist sociopath.

[00:01:39] Do you believe that? And then, you know, she's like, well, no, I, I was just, I don't know what I was referring to, but I was just reflecting on something. Those are my thoughts. I was, as I was reflecting again, that's not, she's not doing any deep reflecting. Like, it's not like she had to take the day off of work to reflect and then send out the tweet, which is what she claimed to have done when she read the case for reparations. She said she took a day off to read the book.

[00:02:07] And then at the hearing, she said, oh, I didn't, I didn't read that book. I don't recall ever reading that book. And then she said the same thing with another book, that she didn't remember reading another book. Yet she tweets about having read the book and tweets that when she said, yes, reparations, yes, right now. And yes, the North has to pay them and whatever. She's like, oh, I didn't mean fiscal reparations. Because there's some other understanding of this term after you read the book, The Case for Reparations.

[00:02:36] No, no, no. She was simply reflecting once again on her life of privilege. So here's the rest of Brandon Gill's cross-examination, if you will, of Catherine Mark. A few years ago, NPR educated America about, quote, the whole community of genderqueer dinosaur enthusiasts. Do you think that that's an appropriate use of tax dollars? I was not at NPR at the time, sir. That's not the question, though.

[00:03:06] Do you think that that's an appropriate use of our tax dollars? I think our tax dollars that we use are to be able to provide a wide range of perspectives. I'll take that as a yes. You do believe that that's appropriate. Your health advisor at NPR also stated in an interview that, quote, fear of fatness is more harmful than actual fat. Would you like to explain how fear of fatness is more harmful than actual fat? That's directly, that's an editorial at NPR. I am not familiar with the editorial, and I don't believe that was published during my time here.

[00:03:34] It's called Diet Culture is Everywhere. Here's How to Fight It. Do you think that that's an appropriate use of taxpayer dollars? I think any reporting on health is an appropriate use of taxpayer dollars, yes. And you think that editorializing that fat is not unhealthy is appropriate? I don't know what that article is, sir, and I'm not familiar with it, so I couldn't say. This is fake news. Do you think that basic accommodations like doorways or seatbelts represent, quote, latent fat phobia? I don't have an opinion. It's also from NPR.

[00:04:04] Do you think civility is racist? No, sir. No. No. Your outlet ran an article entitled, quote, when civility is used as a cudgel against people of color. That was on All Things Considered. Would you like to explain? I'm not on the editorial side, sir. I'm not familiar with that story. You talk about how NPR is news. This is editorialization, and I'll read it.

[00:04:27] For many people of color in the United States, civility isn't so much social lubricant as it is a vehicle for containing them, preventing social mobility, and preserving the status quo. This is garbage. I'll spend all of my time doing everything I can to ensure you guys never get another dollar of taxpayer funding. This is complete garbage. Yeah. Right. See, so impoliteness is the way you fight oppression, I guess.

[00:04:56] That's the gist of it. Look, all you have to do, if you want, go over, take a listen to some of the programming, and you'll hear it. All of their stories are filtered through the same prism, even the international stuff. It's like, you know, let's go to this report in some country you've never heard of, and you're going to hear a story told through the eyes of a 14-year-old trans person.

[00:05:23] It's about a civil war in some foreign country, and this is the filter that you're running it through. So that's Brandon Gill. Jim Jordan then took his turn. And we get into some of the money aspects of it. I'm going to save that soundbite for after the break so we can hear it in its entirety because he goes back and forth with her and goes through some of the money,

[00:05:48] and I'm going to highlight this money because it's at the same time you were being told here that it's a tiny little fraction of the total funding pie, but if you get rid of this tiny little fraction, it will critically injure the outlet. Which is it? Which is it? Is it critical funding? Or is it just a teensy-weensy little piece? Or is every single dollar critical? Well, if you listen to their fund drives, they would say yes, every single dollar is critical.

[00:06:17] So you guys, just get off of the government funding. Just stop feeding from the trough. You're going to be so much happier. You can do it, by the way. You can do it. You can get off of the government dole, and then you'll be able to do more stuff. You'll be leaner. The organization will be more efficient, right? Because you don't have that safety netting any longer.

[00:06:45] I'm just trying to encourage you. Look at what happened. Remember when Reagan cut the funding 40 years ago, and everybody was like, oh, it's going to kill NPR. And it didn't. What happened? Your donations went up. You guys started taking in more money from the donors because now there wasn't, oh, it's okay. The government will fund it. I'm already paying for it, so I'm not going to make a donation. Like, you can do it. I have confidence in you.

[00:07:10] So here is the New York Times with the preview before the hearing that they were preparing for the showdown. Top executives from the public media networks are bracing for a hearing on Wednesday organized by Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene. PBS is practicing answers with lawyers. NPR executives are preparing to monitor the fallout.

[00:07:37] Later on, New York Times piece by Benjamin Mullen says, For more than half a century, Republicans in Congress have sought to cut back funding for PBS and NPR, but to no avail. But the threat has perhaps never been greater. Congressional Republicans this year have introduced bills that would eliminate funding for public media. Conservatives have been especially critical of NPR and Ms. Marr.

[00:08:05] Many have seized. There you go, everybody. You didn't think that Republicans wouldn't pounce or seize on this, did you? Of course they're seizing. That's what Republicans do. So they have seized on an essay written a year ago by Yuri Berliner, a former senior editor at NPR, who took aim at perceived left-wing bias at NPR. It's just a perception.

[00:08:31] Imagine, 87 staffers that work around or worked around Yuri Berliner were all Democrats and zero Republicans. That's a problem. That is a problem because as I have gone over this many times in relation to different stories, stories, when you go to work and you're in the media, you go to work, you sit in the morning meetings, and you kick around story ideas.

[00:09:00] And if all you have are people on the left in that room kicking around the story ideas, you have blinded yourself to stories that are being kicked around by the right. Right? Right? So you want to have more people in that room. So you have people who have seen different stories that are moving on different outlets or have been reported or spend their time doing different things. Right? Ms. Marr, 41 years old.

[00:09:30] She's only 41. I thought she was much older. But anyway, she said that she had met with members of Congress over the last year to hear their concerns and that the network had put in place measures designed to reinforce our commitment to journalism for all Americans. As one who has heard the station in the last year, it's not working, Ms. Marr. Whatever your measures were designed to do, it's not working. It's still the same. There's been no change.

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[00:10:58] Mail orders are accepted too. Get all the details at createavideo.com. Alrighty, so Jim Jordan, Congressman from Ohio, he engages in a series of questions with the head of NPR, and this is where they get into some of the discussion of the money. Former senior business editor for NPR. How long do you work at NPR? I believe he was there just over 25 years. 25 years? Very Berliner. Award-winning journalist? Did he win any awards? Peabody Award?

[00:11:27] I, our time to talk about it. Peabody Award, that's pretty important, isn't it? That is, absolutely. So pretty distinguished journalist, right? Certainly. And he wrote a long story about what you do at NPR. Is NPR biased? Congressman, I have never seen any instance of political bias determining editorial decisions, no. You hear the crowd laughing? Berliner, in his story last year wrote,

[00:11:54] I've, in the D.C. area, editorial positions at NPR, he said he found 87 registered Democrats, zero Republicans. Is that accurate? We do not track the numbers or the voter registration, but I find that concerning. Was award-winning journalist who worked 25 years at NPR, Mr. Berliner, was he lying when he wrote that? I am not presuming such. I just don't have, we don't track that information about our journalist. 87 to zero? And you're not biased?

[00:12:22] I think that is concerning if those numbers are accurate. Why? It's concerning. I mean, it wasn't 44, 40. Wait, why would it be concerning? Why would that be concerning? You just said that there isn't any bias. You've not heard any examples in your year at the helm. You haven't heard any examples of bias in your journalists. So why would it be concerning if they're all registered Democrats and none are Republicans? Right?

[00:12:52] They're obviously unbiased. That's what you just said. Their work product is unbiased. But now she's saying that this is the paradox she's trying to wrestle with. You can't have this both ways, Ms. Marr. Just like you can't say it's critical funding, but it's really not a lot of money. You cannot take both sides of these questions.

[00:13:15] This is a woman also who chastised people on social media for using the phrase boy and girl, which she said, quote, erases the language for non-binary people. I think I actually know why she hasn't detected any bias. It's because a fish doesn't know it's wet. Right? That's I suspect that's what's really going on here. Back to Jordan.

[00:13:44] 43 wasn't 60, 27. It wasn't 70, 17. It wasn't even 80 to 7. It was 87 Democrats, zero Republicans. And you say NPR is not biased. How about the big stories over the last few years? According to Mr. Berliner, again, he wrote on the Trump-Russia story, he wrote, at NPR, we hitched our wagon to Trump's most visible antagonist representative, Adam Schiff.

[00:14:13] They said they interviewed him 25 times. Is that accurate? I was not there at the time, but those numbers sound accurate. Those sound accurate. But then he said when the Mueller report came out and they said, Mueller said, Robert Mueller said he found no evidence of collusion. He said, Russiagate faded from our programming. Is that accurate? Again, I was not there at the time. I'm not. I couldn't say. You couldn't say? I was not at NPR at the time. You didn't prepare for that? You knew we were going to ask you about this guy, didn't you? It's come up like 6,000 times already in the hearing.

[00:14:40] I just couldn't say whether it faded from our coverage. How about this story? October 2020, the New York Post had the Hunter Biden laptop story. And one of those editors, I guess one of those 87 Democrat editors said this. We don't want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories. We don't want to waste the listeners and readers' times on stories that are just pure distractions. Was that a pure distraction story? Our current editorial leadership believes that that was a mistake, as do I. Yeah.

[00:15:09] The whole country knows that was a mistake. Definitely impacted the election. Or I think it certainly impacted the election. How about the COVID origin story? That's a pretty big story too, right? Mr. Berliner said, we became fervent members of the team Natural Origin, even declaring that the lab leak was debunked by scientists. Turns out, though, the lab leak is what most people think actually caused the COVID virus. Sorry, sir. Is there a question there? There is. You guys were 0 for 3 on the three of the biggest stories in the last five years. You guys were 0 for 3.

[00:15:40] And yet you maintain that NPR is not biased? Congressman, I do not believe we are politically biased. No, we are a nonpartisan organization. Mm-hmm. She does not believe they are politically biased. They're nonpartisan. How can you say that? The proof is in the data that Berliner exposed. Your own journalist, award-winning journalist. That no longer works for NPR, obviously.

[00:16:09] But he documented all of this. And here's the thing for me. This is the thing that sticks out for me is like the natural question is, wouldn't you have done an investigation? After Berliner brought this stuff to your attention, let's assume that you had no idea any of this was going on. After he publishes that piece a year ago, and now you're getting called before Congress, why wouldn't you have looked into it?

[00:16:35] Why wouldn't you have done an analysis if you're actually trying to be nonbiased and nonpartisan? All right, if you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events. And I know you do, too. And you've probably heard me say, get your news from multiple sources. Why? Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with Ground News.

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[00:17:53] I am starting to see why the left loves to play defend or disavow so much, or as I call it, D&D. It is kind of fun to see it turn back on them. Yeah. That's why they do it. Defend or disavow. Any Republican does anything, then you stuff a mic in every Republican's face demanding that they defend or disavow the thing that somebody else did.

[00:18:22] This from Sean. I would like for Doge to look into the ad council, too, to see how much we are spending for ads that tell people useless advice. I don't think I need to pay for an ad telling people to pay attention when they drive. Common sense should take care of that. Love, love, love the show. I really love it. Thank you, Sean. I appreciate it. Kirk says, the only good thing national propaganda radio ever had was the car guys from Boston. Yeah, they were click and clack.

[00:18:52] Car guys. Did you know that they would line up those calls? They would do them like, you'd have to submit your thing to them, and then they would basically research the issue, and then they would book the phone call with you. So it's not like a call-in show. Did you know that? Yeah, remember they got busted a while ago. This was years ago. I want to say like 15 years ago.

[00:19:19] They got busted for editing the interviews that they do with people to make it sound like the person is more well-spoken than they actually were. Yeah, like chopping out ums and uhs and all that other stuff. It was a big scandal. Back in the day. Oh, simpler times. Um, this is from Ian who says, despite having been adopted by socialists,

[00:19:48] or perhaps because, I grew up a free marketeer and avid cold warrior. A steady childhood diet of Uncle Walter, PBS, PBS and NPR made me think Republicans were mean. In the 1980 Republican primaries, I was for Bush 41 because he said he was for less government and lower taxes. Ha! I hated Reagan because of PBS and NPR. And the Twin Cities CBS affiliates successfully tied support for him to support for the Peterson brothers,

[00:20:18] twin redheaded pastors who said rock and roll was demonic and held frenzied youth rallies where they burned pyres of rock records. Reagan won me over at Reykjavik and Rush lifted the proverbial veil. Good health and God bless. That's from Ian. Um, let's talk about the money. Here's a message. It's a tweet from Eric who says, NPR launders their government money through their affiliates.

[00:20:48] So the national organization doesn't count the government grant being washed through some university radio station as government funding when it gets to NPR. NPR, right? The affiliates pay NPR. Did you know that? They pay NPR for the programs. In commercial radio, it's a different model. A lot of the, a lot of the nationally syndicated programs are offered for free,

[00:21:18] but they sell the ads and, and the locals will get to like, you're, you take it like Rush Limbaugh. Rush was, Rush got paid. Okay. but a lot of these nationally syndicated programs, they are provided for free. And that's why you have so many of the talk stations that carry them. And so they get, they'll, they'll offer the, uh, the show for free, the content for free, as long as they air the ads and then they will sell their ads, the national spots.

[00:21:48] And the locals will be able to get good ratings because it's a national program that has a large following and they can sell spots. That's the model. And in NPR land, they pay the NPR. Fees like that's yeah. Anyway. Um, so NPR claims that only 1% of its roughly $300 million yearly budget, um, comes from,

[00:22:17] uh, the corporation for public broadcasting. That's what it claims. The CPB only 1%, right? And this is sort of the paradox there that it's critical funding, but it's not really that much. The corporation for public broadcasting is the government supported organization that has backed public radio and PBS since it was created in 1967.

[00:22:39] The CPB is funded at $535 million a year. $535 million a year. The financial support. This is according to the New York times. While the financial support for the corporation for public broadcasting gives to NPR and PBS, uh, it's,

[00:23:05] is relatively small about 1% of NPR's budget and 15% of PBS's. It provides a larger proportion of funding for some of their smaller stations. Then there's this from Warner Todd Houston over at the Western Journal, westernjournal.com. This was from 2023 and he broke down the numbers, right?

[00:23:33] 1% of the annual budget for NPR comes from the CPB, right? That's what NPR has always been saying. That's what it says on its website. However, according to its own numbers, the broadcaster gets a lot more from government sources than that 1%. For fiscal year 2020, for example, the broadcasters affiliate stations received 8% of their revenue from federal appropriations through the CPB.

[00:23:59] They also got 10% from colleges and universities, as Eric mentioned in the tweet, right? They got 10% from colleges and universities, which themselves are publicly funded. They then get another 5% from federal, state, and local governments. So that's a grand total of 23%, not 1%, 23%. Might this be the reason why it's critical funding?

[00:24:26] And PBS gets even more from government or government-affiliated sources. On its website, the TV broadcaster says it gets 15% of its revenue from the federal government, along with 13% from state governments, 3% from local governments, and 8% from universities. So that is a total of 39%.

[00:24:55] These outlets pay more. They have nicer studios. They do. Like, I've been in various publicly funded radio stations, TV stations, and such, and they are, they're pretty nice. They're pretty nice. If you saw the, the working conditions of the radio stations that are commercial, um, it would astound you.

[00:25:22] Some of these places I have seen are no better than a, well, I mean, heck, the one up in the government, uh, building up in Raleigh was literally a closet. That's where they stuff the radio guy, right? That's, that's sort of par for the course. Okay. It's like you guys, you have no idea. Um, in NPR land, you guys have no idea what the other side of the street looks like. I really, uh,

[00:25:51] I really can't imagine that you would be making some of these arguments that you're making. Oh, it's only 1%. You know how many commercial broadcasters would love an extra 1%, let alone what the actual figure is, which is probably about 23%, say maybe anywhere from 20 to 25%. That's what's actually funded through taxpayer funds. And as one who pays those funds, I object. You are my competition. I object. You should not get my money to try to put me out of work.

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[00:27:53] I think I might be able to swing that. David Strom over at hot air.com. He had a great, very lengthy piece on Catherine Marr and NPR. And it was, and he talked a little bit about Bill Marr. Cause he says one Marr is becoming red pilled. Another is a red. So it's the two, the tale of two Mars, Bill Marr, who is like slowly becoming like red.

[00:28:20] Do you hear that Bill Marr is going to interview Donald Trump for his like podcast or show or something? And Bill Marr is like, like good for him. Good on Trump. Like I, Bill Marr has been very critical of Donald Trump. So, um, but Bill Marr has been calling out the, uh, the excesses of the, the moonbat brigade inside the Democrat party. And that has gotten him a lot of grief. He's not a conservative. But it's gotten him a lot of grief from the left.

[00:28:50] So David Strom, um, he says regarding NPR and that Marr, Catherine Marr, he says like people understood and he always understood. Yes. Like NPR is biased, but you used to be able to, to listen to the news reports to find out what's going on. Right. Understanding. He said their bias was more in the category of Fox news. They were decidedly left, but not filled with outright lies.

[00:29:16] And because NPR swam in money to an extent that no other news outlet could possibly dream of, they often had the best talent in the business working for them. At the very least, their talent had amazingly soothing voices and would surely have degrees from the very best schools. They could be infuriatingly biased, but they weren't stupid or resource constrained. However much they pled poverty during their pledge drives. But sometime around the Obama era,

[00:29:46] they went from liberal to Pravda and you never go full Pravda. And during the Trump administration, they became the home of highbrow MSNBC style propaganda. So it is no surprise that somebody with the pedigree of Catherine Marr rose to the top at NPR. So I mentioned earlier that she was a former CEO and executive director, director of the Wikimedia Foundation.

[00:30:15] So this is the foundation that runs Wikipedia. Okay. She has also been the chief executive of the, oh, sorry. She's a chair of the board at Signal. The, yeah, the app that everybody's talking about now because Jeffrey Goldberg got into the chat, right? She's also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. She worked for UNICEF, the National Democratic Institute,

[00:30:45] the World Bank, Access Now. She subsequently joined the Atlantic Council, as well as the U.S. Department of State's Foreign Affairs Policy Board. She grew up in Wilton, Connecticut. She attended Wilton High School. Her father, Gordon Roberts Marr, worked in finance in New York City. Her mother, Cece Marr,

[00:31:12] is a former nonprofit executive who was elected to the Connecticut State Senate in 2022. After high school, Marr graduated from the Arabic Language Institute's Arabic Language Intensive Program of the American University in Cairo. She called it a formative experience that developed her interest in the Middle East. Marr also studied at the Institut Français des Tudes Arabes de Damas. It's in Syria.

[00:31:42] And she spent time in Lebanon as well as Tunisia. She got a bachelor's degree from NYU in Middle Eastern and Islamic Studies. David Strom says, look at that resume. It is so perfect, at least perfect, for somebody aspiring to become an executive at the World Economic Forum or CEO at National Public Radio, which in many ways is the propaganda arm of the World Economic Forum.

[00:32:11] So it does make sense. It does track. NPR has been married to the Democrat Party for decades, but its alliance with that party is more transactional than you might think, he says. Its fealty is to a higher ideal, and that is technocratic rule more in line with the European Union model of politics than anything remotely as messy as American democracy.

[00:32:40] It was Marxist before Marxism was cool in the Democrat Party. Remember, NPR called out by Jim Jordan for blowing the three biggest stories of the last half decade. The Russia collusion hoax, the COVID origin lab leak story, right? And the Hunter Biden laptop. They not only, you know, minimize these,

[00:33:06] in the case of the Hunter Biden story, they flat out refused to cover it. They called it a distraction. They said it wasn't true. The lab leak theory was dismissed, although now it seems like everybody's coming around to that, right? But they all, the mistakes are always made in one direction. Notice. I'm sure Catherine Marr really does believe that NPR is not a partisan news outlet.

[00:33:33] Its values and goals transcend anything as grubby as controlling the politics of any one country. Watching Marr testify before Congress is something of a Rorschach test. NPR listeners probably hear something akin to a pack of howling wolves chasing a damsel in distress. Yes, she's an innocent young woman being hounded by grubby, smelly predators who can't appreciate her value and beauty.

[00:33:59] But people like me see a smug, cultural Marxist who lives off the taxpayer dime, looks down on all of us, and is offended by the idea that she has to justify the excessive generosity of the public to her corrupt and damaging organization. This is why I said, she is awful. Well, and awful. A-W-F-L. Affluent white female liberal.

[00:34:28] And she is exactly what's wrong with the Democrat Party, and that makes her perfect to be the head of NPR. I don't think they're going to be able to course correct. And I don't think that they need to. But they don't need my money. They shouldn't get it. Right? Do whatever you want to do. But I'm going to keep my money. And Congress should make sure that that happens. All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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