The audacity of cope (01-16-2025--Hour2)

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[00:00:29] I did watch the Biden farewell address last night. And yes, I did watch it twice because I watched it when it happened. And then I had to go back and well, I listened to it twice. I only watched it once because then I record the audio and then I chop it all up. So twice. And yes, Michael, he, Michael asked on Twitter, you listened to Biden's speech twice? Oh my gosh, you are truly a giver like no other. And that is true.

[00:00:57] I am a giver. I tell people this all the time. Nobody believes me, but I did it so you didn't have to. Let's go to the phones and chat with Paul. Hello, Paul. Welcome to the show. Thanks for taking my call, Pete. Yes, sir. What's up?

[00:01:13] I have a suggestion. And this is basically to set a precedent for accountability in the government. When Trump, President Trump, gives his inaugural speech, he should start right off the bat that Joe Biden and his administration for the past four years is null and void due to treasonous stealing by cheating in the 2020 election. And we have the evidence to prove it beyond any doubt. Give the left the burden to prove otherwise.

[00:01:42] And all of the why would. All right. So let's. All right. So hang on, Paul. I know that's what you would like Trump to say. So let's walk through what the actual implication of him saying that in his inaugural address. What would then let me finish? No, no, I don't. Because I think it's kind of a silly idea. Because here's. Walk me through what happens when he says that. What's the. What? Like, for example, what's the coverage? All involved will account for their atrocities. What is the.

[00:02:11] Any of the pardons and games. Any of the executive orders that he's given in the past four years are illegitimate. Right. So what do you think. I understand you're I understand what you're saying. What do you think. Happens. After he wraps up that speech. What do you think. Everything. Go ahead. Everything resets back to. You think that's what happens. 2020. That's not what happens. Yes. That's what has to happen. No, it doesn't. It has to go back to what it was. No, it doesn't.

[00:02:42] It doesn't. He doesn't just get to decrease something and then it's so. But so you you would actually. Go ahead. Setting a precedent for accountability. That's. I understand what you said. No, I heard what you said. I'm asking, how does this actually work then in real life after he says that stuff? What occurs? Well, all the other politicians are going to think twice about. Really? You think that. I think so.

[00:03:10] You think people that are obsessed with power to the point where they would steal an election, you think that they're going to say, oh, my gosh, now I won't do that. That's I don't think that happens. So for starters, but practically speaking, they did it again with the California. Practically speaking, what occurs after Trump makes that speech? What happens? I'll tell you the first thing that I think would happen.

[00:03:33] That becomes the sole focus of the media coverage and that then consumes the entire news cycle. And every Republican is now going to be asked, what did Trump mean by that? Because nothing actually does happen. Trump gets up there and says those words that you want him to say. Nothing actually happens. You actually have to start the gears of government. government to do whatever it is you think should be done.

[00:04:01] So that's why I'm asking, like, what does that practically mean? You don't just get to say, you know, four years ago that that election was stolen. So therefore, nothing nothing he did is is in law. And so then what you just start ignoring law? What would it take to convince you that they didn't steal it? So if that's what you want to argue about, the election results from four years ago, I find that to be a fool's errand. Because at this point, it doesn't matter.

[00:04:30] Trump is coming in on Monday. Why it's not what do you mean the damage is done? The damage to this country. Yes. Fundamentally tried to destroy this country. Joe Biden, Barack Obama. I disagreed. Yes, with all of their policy, virtually every one of their policies. This is the same. You know what? You know whose argument you're also making here? The North Carolina NAACP. This is their argument against the Republican controlled General Assembly in North Carolina.

[00:05:00] That's this is the same argument. They're suing and have been they've been tied up in litigation against the General Assembly on a couple of pieces of legislation, legislation that the General Assembly passed because the NAACP says that it was an illegitimate legislature. Maybe it was. It was not. But it was not. See, that's the thing. You can make all of those statements you want. You can even file lawsuits about it.

[00:05:29] That's why I'm asking, what's the practical impact? What the practical impact of what you're saying is lawsuits and everything stops. But what about? But so I but I'm curious as to why. Like, are you not are you not happy that Trump is coming back into office on Monday? I'm sure I'm happy. OK, so why? That was an answer for me. Right. So why?

[00:05:54] Why not focus on the work that that needs to be done now and the fight that is at hand now rather than going back four years and focusing on what occurred in the last election? When the most recent one has put your candidate into office. It involves accountability across the board. Well, you and I can have different opinions about what accountability looks like. Right.

[00:06:21] Like if you want to go back and try to find crimes that were committed and then bring people up on charges for that stuff. I'm I would have no problem with that. If you can find people that have committed crimes. Sure. Go after them for committing the crimes. But this idea that you can just invalidate that you could just say, oh, well, you know what? That election didn't happen. It was illegitimate. So therefore, we really didn't have a president for four years. And so everything that they did doesn't stand. What's to stop the next guy from coming in and doing that?

[00:06:50] What's to stop a Democrat from coming in four years from now and saying that very thing? Oh, I don't know. How about about George W. Bush after the 2000 election? Right. They could make that same argument. Well, the proof is out there. That's the thing. You know, when you talk about, you know, I've heard this as well. Yeah, there's been I have heard this as well. So, Paul, I look all I would recommend to you. I'm not going to try to convince you about your whether your beliefs. I don't want to do it. I know you don't want me to.

[00:07:17] But like, I'm not going to attempt to persuade you one way or the other about an election that occurred four years ago, because to me, the more important thing is what's happening right now and correcting problems and addressing the issues right now. And I just find that I just find it to be a very large waste of time to argue about what evidence exists and what doesn't about what happened four years ago. I've had this conversation for four years.

[00:07:42] And in four years, I there's been no movement in the courts to to overturn those results. So. I don't know what like I don't know what else to do except to say, let's try to fix the stuff that we can right now. It's the same thing I heard with Barack Obama for eight years. I heard people who don't like Barack Obama. They wanted him to be thrown out. They wanted him impeached. They wanted all of this stuff. And it's like, what is the practical impact of these actions?

[00:08:10] What is the tactical strategy here? Because you have to think in those terms. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris did not lose this election. Obama lost this election. Is he still running the show? That may very well be the case. All right, Paul, I appreciate the call. I think focus on the challenge in front of us right now. That would be my advice.

[00:08:37] You actually have an opportunity to make a difference right now. Rather than going back and settling grievances from four years ago. Focus on the things, the pressing issues right now. Donald Trump was elected because he said he would do things. Let's see him do those things. If he takes your advice, we are now living four years ago. And it derails any momentum.

[00:09:06] And look, he has promised that on day one, he's got like a hundred executive orders that he's going to start writing. I'm not a fan of the use of executive orders to bypass the legislature, no matter who's president. I don't like this at all. But I recognize this is what he intends to do. And you've got, I think I just saw another state. I forget which one it was.

[00:09:31] A Republican legislature in another state besides Florida, because DeSantis said he's calling a special session, I think a week from Monday. So they can take up whatever they need to take up to assist Donald Trump in his border enforcement executive orders. And another state legislature has now also said that they or a governor has said that they will do the same. So you have the momentum. You have the moment.

[00:09:58] You have the support of a majority of voters. You've made promises to do things. You need to fulfill the promises that you made to do those things that you said you would do now. And if you get bogged down with the stuff that occurred four years ago, you have lost sight of what it is that people sent you to D.C. back into the White House to do. That's it.

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[00:12:08] that lasts a couple more cycles. So I guess thanks for that. Michael Graham, he's a former WBT host. He's now up in New Hampshire, I believe. And he does a lot of stuff with, like, New Hampshire politics. I think it's First of the Nation or something. Does a newsletter and that sort of stuff. He posted, though, a headline. I think this is out of the New York Post.

[00:12:39] Biden leaving office with record low approval rating. 61% say his presidency was a failure. His polling number, as he leaves across multiple polling outfits, this is all in line. It's like two-thirds of the respondents all say the same thing. He was a failure.

[00:13:01] His polling, his unfavorables are as low as Jimmy Carter's when he left office and Donald Trump's. Take that, Joe Biden! Of course, he doesn't know this because, remember from the Wall Street Journal article a couple of weeks ago, that his staff shielded him from any kind of negative press or polling.

[00:13:27] And so that explains to me why he does believe that he's been a fantastic president and he's got this awesome legacy and everybody loves him because he didn't hear any negative coverage. So that makes sense. Now, Michael Graham sent out this headline and he points out that Joe Biden had the press. He had the media with him. He had lawfare. He had the House. He had the Senate for two years.

[00:13:55] And this is what he did with it. He made himself the most unlikable president in the modern era. And in that address last night, Joe Biden warns about the rising oligarchy of tech bros. And look, this is an attack on Elon Musk. Joe Biden, you know, as narcissists will do,

[00:14:21] they will never look at themselves when trying to assess blame or anything like that for why they may have failed at something. So they look outward. Someone else is to blame for it. And Elon Musk is that avatar now. Because Elon Musk, who I will remind people, was a liberal and probably still is. I mean, the guy started an electric vehicle company.

[00:14:50] Elon Musk was beloved by the left for a very, very, very long time. Elon Musk wants to go to space, wants to go to Mars, colonize planets and such. And why is that? Do you know why he wants to do that? Because he believes in climate change. And he thinks we have to get off the planet. We have to save the human race by finding another place to live. So he's not exactly a right-wing conservative firebrand, if you will.

[00:15:18] Also, his eyes were opened on the transgender stuff when he calls it the woke hive mind that corrupted his own child. So he has personal experience in this. So he sees this stuff. He gets what they call red-pilled, which is a reference to the movie The Matrix. He gets red-pilled. And he now sees things for what they really are. And that's why he said we got to get Biden out and we got to get Trump in.

[00:15:46] And America has to build stuff, has to innovate, has to push forward the frontier and that sort of thing. That's what he wants to do. That's what motivates Elon Musk. And then he poured a bunch of money into helping Trump win. And to Democrats, this is an unpardonable sin. And so, therefore, Elon Musk is now this grave danger to America.

[00:16:11] Because unlike all of the rich tech bros that have been pouring millions and millions of dollars into Democrat coffers for years, right, Elon Musk made a different decision and went with a different horse. And so now he is public enemy number one. That's who Joe Biden is warning about, which is rich in irony considering what we have now learned about what occurred at Facebook.

[00:16:39] Mark Zuckerberg went over onto the Joe Rogan podcast and made some comments about what occurred with the Biden administration and his company. All right. I hope you had a happy holiday season. But tell me if something like this happened at your house. Your family and friends are gathered around. Maybe y'all are in the living room. You're laughing, swapping stories, reminiscing. And then somebody says, hey, dad, remember those old VHS tapes? Did you ever get them transferred? And then the room gets all quiet.

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[00:18:03] The problem with caller Paul's inaugural address idea is principles. The same people bemoaning Obama and Biden's overreaches want Trump to do the same thing, but for the stuff they want. They say they stand for freedom, rule of law, checks and balances, unless it's our team. There's a lot of stuff I'd like to do, but I don't because I have a set of principles that I try to follow.

[00:18:29] Yeah, that is, that is, it is something to guard against, and it is of concern. And by the way, I will be saying this if Trump starts doing stuff that Biden, had he done, or did he? Um, and I criticize Biden or any other president for overreaching. I'm going to criticize Donald Trump. You've been warned. Okay. It doesn't mean I hate all the Trump supporters, and I hate MAGA, and I hate America, and all this.

[00:18:58] It's that I do have a set of principles. I do not want to see the presidential office becoming so powerful that we essentially have a king. So, just you've been warned. Okay.

[00:19:13] So, one of the things that Joe Biden lamented, you know, was this, this rising tech industrial complex and all of this, which highly ironic given his administration's behavior, where they harassed and got social media platforms to censor conservatives. And it started even before Biden got into office, right?

[00:19:40] Facebook's founder, Mark Zuckerberg, was on the Joe Rogan podcast a couple of, about a week ago or so. And he talked about the Biden administration's efforts to harness big tech to censor Americans on social media. It seemed like we really found out about it when Elon bought Twitter and we got the Twitter files.

[00:20:00] And when you came on here and when you were explaining the relationship with FBI, where they were trying to get you to take down certain things that were true and real and certain things they tried to get you to limit the exposure to them. So, it's these kind of conversations. Like, when did all that start? Yeah. Well, look, I think going back to the beginning, or like I was saying, I think you start one of these if you care about giving people a voice.

[00:20:26] You know, I wasn't too deep on our content policies for like the first 10 years of the company. It was just kind of well known across the company that we were trying to give people the ability to share as much as possible. And issues would come up, practical issues, right? So, if someone's getting bullied, for example, we'd deal with that, right? We'd put in place systems to fight bullying.

[00:20:45] You know, if someone is saying, hey, you know, someone's pirating copyrighted content on the service, it's like, okay, we'll build controls to make it so we'll find IP-protected content. But it was really in the last 10 years that people started pushing for like ideological-based censorship. And I think it was two main events that really triggered this.

[00:21:10] In 2016, there was the election of President Trump, also coincided with basically Brexit in the EU and sort of the fragmentation of the EU. And then, you know, in 2020, there was COVID.

[00:21:26] And I think that those were basically these two events where, for the first time, we just faced this massive, massive institutional pressure to basically start censoring content on ideological grounds. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but when it first came up in 2016, did it come under the guise of the Russian collusion hoax? Yeah, and this is the thing.

[00:21:54] At the time, I was really sort of ill-prepared to kind of parse what was going on, right? It's, you know, I think part of my reflection looking back on this is I kind of think in 2016 and the aftermath, I gave too much deference to a lot of folks in the media who were basically saying, OK, there's no way that this guy could have gotten elected except for misinformation. People can't actually believe this stuff, right?

[00:22:23] It has to be that there's this kind of like massive misinformation out there. Some of it started with the Russia collusion stuff, but it kind of morphed into different things over time. All right, so a couple of things. Number one, I do recognize that Mark Zuckerberg has an incentive to offload the responsibility of this onto the Biden administration and these external forces. I recognize that.

[00:22:51] Nowhere in this three-hour chat with Joe Rogan did he ever talk about Facebook's caving and express remorse or say, yeah, there were people inside Facebook that were totally on board with these efforts, that in some cases led the efforts internally, right? He minimizes Facebook's culpability and willingness to assist, OK?

[00:23:19] And to an extent I understand because, you know, he's the boss, he's the owner. He doesn't want that kind of negative PR. He doesn't want to create this kind of dissension among his staff. He doesn't want people to feel like he's throwing them under the bus, all of that. I get that. His incentives are aligned now to play nice with an incoming Trump administration. I get that too. However, what he is outlining tracks.

[00:23:40] It tracks with what we know that's already in the public record and from people who have been directly impacted by these actions in their own Facebook accounts. He said initially he assumed everybody was acting in good faith, particularly, as he just noted there, the media. There are concerns about misinformation. We should, just like when people raised other concerns in the past and we try to deal with them.

[00:24:08] OK, yeah, people, you know, if you ask people, no one says that they want misinformation. So maybe there's something that we should do to basically try to address this. But I was really worried from the beginning about basically becoming this sort of decider of what is true in the world. That's kind of a crazy position to be in for billions of people using your service. And so we tried to put in place a, you know, a system that would deal with it.

[00:24:39] You know, and early on tried to basically make it so that it was really limited. We're like, all right, we're just going to have this system where there's these third party fact checkers and they can check the worst of the worst stuff. Right. So things that are very clear hoaxes that there's like it's not like like we're not parsing speech about whether something is slightly true or slightly false. Like Earth is flat, you know, things like that. Right. So that was sort of the original intent. We put in place the system and it just sort of veered from there.

[00:25:08] I think to some degree it's because some of the people whose job is to do fact checking, a lot of their industry is focused on political fact checking. So they're just kind of veered in that direction and we kept on trying to basically get it to be what we had originally intended, which is just, you know, it's not the point is to like judge people's opinions. It's to provide in this layer to kind of help fact check some of the stuff that seems the most extreme.

[00:25:34] But it just, you know, it was just never accepted by people broadly. I think people just felt like the fact checkers were too biased. Not necessarily even so much in what they ruled, although sometimes I think people would disagree with that. A lot of the time it was just what types of things they chose to even go and fact check in the first place. Yes!

[00:25:55] So I kind of think like after having gone through that whole exercise, it, I don't know, it's something out of like, you know, 1984 or one of these books where it's just like it really is a slippery slope. This is what you call red pilled. Up close and personal interaction now disabuses him of a previously held belief that what he thought was real was not.

[00:26:25] And the media's role in this, I think he's exactly right. Media fact checkers, what they choose to check. They come from a political background and that's what they're doing. They're using their role on the platform to try to do the Democrats a solid and help them win the election because democracy dies in darkness, right? We're all going to, we're going to lose the democracy if people share these Donald Trump memes or these anti-Hillary Clinton memes and such.

[00:26:55] Which I think is noting the similarities with 1984 by George Orwell is exactly correct as well. But again, they could have stood up and said no, but as a corporation, they decided to play along and do the bidding. They opted for that. That was their choice. And always keep in mind, it's not just Facebook. Instagram is a huge part of this.

[00:27:22] That's what all the kids were on before they migrated over to TikTok. And now apparently they're moving over to that Communist Chinese Party app, Red Note. So this is why it's important. Then he talks about the erosion of trust in America because of this program. He talks about COVID. And then he talks about these interactions with people inside the administration.

[00:27:47] And what, when Facebook finally said, no, we're not going to take down this particular meme, what that prompted from the agencies in the government. All right. If you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events. And I know you do too. And you've probably heard me say, get your news from multiple sources. Why? Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with Ground News.

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[00:29:10] All right. Let me play the audio clips first because it might change some email content. So Mark Zuckerberg goes on Joe Rogan's show and he talks about this third-party fact-checking system that they rolled out. He said it destroyed trust, particularly among users in America in 2016 and then proceeding through into 2020 and then COVID.

[00:29:38] At the beginning of COVID, it seemed like, okay, you have this virus. It seems like it's killing a lot of people. I don't know. We didn't know at the time how dangerous it was going to be. So at the beginning, it kind of seemed like, okay, we should give a little bit of deference to the government and the health authorities on how we should play this. But when it went from, you know, two weeks to flatten the curve to, you know, and like in the beginning, it was like, okay, there aren't enough masks. Masks aren't that important to them. It's like, oh, no, you have to wear a mask.

[00:30:07] And, you know, like everything was shifting around. I, it's become very difficult to kind of follow. And this really hit the most extreme, I'd say during, it was during the Biden administration when they were trying to roll out the vaccine program. And I'm generally like pretty pro rolling out vaccines. I think on balance, the vaccines are more positive than negative.

[00:30:33] But I think that while they're trying to push that program, they also tried to censor anyone who is basically arguing against it. And they pushed us super hard to take down things that were honestly were true, right? I mean, they basically pushed us and said, you know, anything that says that vaccines might have side effects, you basically need to take down.

[00:31:02] And I was just like, well, we're not going to do that. Like, we're clearly not going to do that. I mean, that is kind of inarguably true. Who is they? Who's telling you to take down things that have to talk about vaccine side effects? It was people in the Biden administration. All right. So COVID hits, vaccine rollout. And now they're like, take all this stuff down, questioning the vaccine's efficacy. Like, we're not going to do that. And that then prompts the ire of the Biden administration.

[00:31:31] And by the way, one of the people that got censored over all this was, in fact, Joe Rogan. Right. So now Facebook is is pushing back on the feds. And then. The tone shifts. I mean, a lot of this is documented. I mean, because, you know, Jim Jordan and the House had this whole investigation and committee into into the kind of government censorship around stuff like this. And we produced all these documents and it's all in the public domain.

[00:32:00] I mean, basically, these people from the Biden administration would call up our team and like scream at them and curse. And it's like these documents are it's all kind of out there. Did you record any of those phone calls? I don't know. I don't think I don't think we were. But but I think I mean, there are emails. The emails are published. It's all it's all kind of out there. And and basically it just got to this point where we were like, no, we're not going to we're not going to take down things that are true. That's ridiculous.

[00:32:29] They want us to take down this meme of Leonardo DiCaprio looking at a TV talking about how 10 years from now or something, you know, you're going to see an ad that says, OK, if you took a COVID vaccine, you're eligible, you know, like for for this kind of payment, like sort of like class action lawsuit type meme. And they're like, no, you have to take that down. We said, no, we're not going to we're not going to take down humor and satire. We're not going to take down things that are that are true.

[00:32:56] And then at some point, I don't know, it flipped a bit. I mean, Biden, when he was he gave some statement at some point, I don't know if his press conference or to some journalists where basically was like, these guys are killing people. Oh, then, like all these different agencies and branches of government basically just like started investigating coming after our company. It was it was brutal. It was brutal. Wow. Right. You don't need a direct order from the president to mobilize the people in these agencies.

[00:33:24] This is what when people are talking about the deep state, this is what they're talking about. Just like Obama didn't need to direct the IRS to crack down on Tea Party groups that wanted to organize and get tax exempt status. They filed the paperwork and then they were subjected to all this like these onerous information checks and deep dives and demand for records and membership lists and all this stuff.

[00:33:53] Obama just made the comments that he did at a State of the Union address. Right. He makes some comments in a speech and people get the message. The fellow travelers, you know, on this leftist path, they they got the message. You're seeing it now also. Was it the SEC or somebody just went after Elon Musk over his deal when he bought Twitter? How many years ago was that? Right. You don't need the directive.

[00:34:22] People see what needs to be done in order to take out the political opposition and they and they utilize the force of government. That's the way this is done. And that's why I thought what Zuckerberg was saying here was so important. All right. That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast. So if you'd like, please support them, too, and tell them you heard it here.

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