Tariffs, recovery, state symbols, and COVID accountability (04-22-2025--Hour1)

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[00:00:28] We join Andrew Dunn, or actually he joins us, I guess, more accurately. He's the publisher of Longleaf Politics. You can read longleafpol.com. And a contributing columnist to the Charlotte Observer and the News and Observer. Andrew, how are you this week? Oh, I'm fantastic. How are you? I'm, well, I'm not quite fantastic, but I'm all right. I'm doing okay. Thanks.

[00:00:52] All right. So let's start with, you got a bunch of stuff that has moved over at the Observer, but also on your website, longleafpol.com. Let me start with the tariffs issue. You wrote that tariffs won't bring back North Carolina's old economy. So why do you say that?

[00:01:11] Yeah. So, you know, obviously the tariffs are the biggest economic news going on right now. And I wrote a couple weeks ago about how, you know, tariffs, you know, the messaging really resonates in North Carolina based on our long history in manufacturing.

[00:01:28] You know, for generations, our state was dominated by furniture, textiles, and tobacco, a lot of factory jobs all across the state. And then starting in the 90s with NAFTA and globalization, we lost, you know, half of those jobs in just a 10-year span.

[00:01:48] And so, you know, with tariffs, you know, a lot of the rationale behind the tariffs that you're hearing from the White House is around, you know, reinvigorating domestic manufacturing, bringing factories back, bringing jobs back. And so what I wanted to do was to dive into, okay, well, what could that look like? And basically what I found out, you know, from talking to folks in the industry is that, you know, it's not going to be the same old, you know, T-shirt factories or whatever.

[00:02:16] That era has gone. I mean, manufacturing has gone high tech. So while, you know, we are seeing some increase in interest from companies wanting to reshore some of those manufacturing jobs, it's going to look a lot different. Whatever comes back is going to be way different from what we had before. And in fact, it's different now, right? I mean, we do have a pretty strong manufacturing industry in this state.

[00:02:45] Exactly, yeah. I mean, when you talk about a factory now, if you think, if you picture in your head, what does a factory job look like? You know, you probably have in your head, you know, huge floors full of people, everybody doing, you know, an individual task. And that's just not what manufacturing is anymore in the United States. I mean, there's probably some of that overseas, but there's just not really a business model to do that sort of thing in the United States with how much money folks make here.

[00:03:14] Really what a factory floor looks like today is a couple folks and a lot of high tech machinery. So the jobs that are going to come back are going to be, you know, people who are who have the background, the skills and the training to operate those machines and fix them when stuff goes wrong and make sure everything's going smoothly. You talked with Phil Mintz, the director of NC State University's Industry Expansion Solutions, which you know is good because it has solutions right in the title there.

[00:03:44] And he says that companies are rethinking their supply chains and considering what parts of it they can bring back to the U.S. Economic developers also told you that there's more inquiries now and interest in opening new factories to support that. So is that a good thing? I think it's a good thing. I think, well, I'll be cautiously optimistic.

[00:04:10] I do think that there's a real opportunity for companies to bring back more parts of the manufacturing process to North Carolina. However, it's very complicated. You know, when you think about manufacturing, stuff that's made in America might still have a bunch of parts that are made overseas. You know, maybe it's more accurately called assembled in America. There's quite a bit of that.

[00:04:35] You know, everything is so complicated now that when when you're talking about manufacturing something, you also have to look at how all the parts are manufactured. And there's just a scenario in which every single component of everything is made in America.

[00:04:51] And so companies are really thinking through, all right, well, we if we make this big component in America, that will outweigh the cost of importing these other minor components from China. And there's just a lot of calculus going on there. Right. And businesses are pretty uncertain, right? Business leaders are uncertain. That's a really big thing for business.

[00:05:15] And if you're going to be dropping a billion dollars into construction of a new facility, you want to make sure that that whatever tariff regime is in place is going to be lasting to some degree. But also, I thought you touched on a an important point that I kind of brushed up into when the tariff news was first announced, which is this nostalgia for the factory idea.

[00:05:41] The fact the manufacturing and factory jobs, this idea of what they were. And I said, I like I'm not so sure we have like right now at the stat I saw was half a million unfilled manufacturing jobs in America each month. And so I just wonder, are these even jobs that people want to do? Yeah, it's a good question. And there certainly is some romanticism around, you know, the old North Carolina economy.

[00:06:09] But, you know, it's easy to forget that there were generations of people working there who told their children, you know, get it, get an education so you don't have to work in the factory like I did. Not to besmirch at all the factory jobs. I mean, they were there are great jobs. I mean, that's that's really what people are nostalgic for in the era where somebody without a college degree could support a family on a single blue collar wage.

[00:06:35] And that if we could bring that back with different types of jobs, I think folks will be really, really happy. However, it's a little bit more challenging because, you know, as we were discussing, factory jobs look a lot different now. It's not as simple as, you know, walking up to the factory door with your high school diploma and getting a job. You've got to have, you know, maybe it's an associate's degree, maybe it's a specialized workforce program through the community college.

[00:07:05] But you typically need something extra to get these jobs today. And building those pipelines and just showing folks, you know, this is how you do it is going to be another big hurdle to overcome. Yeah, I think you're exactly right. It's the concept of what the job allowed for in the family, in the community, in the neighborhood, more so than the actual specific job. It's a it's this idea. Yeah. So, yeah. So that's over. Exactly. And. Yeah.

[00:07:34] I was just going to say, and where those jobs were. I mean, you had, you know, small manufacturers across the state. I mean, there were towns that were built around the factory and and that doesn't exist currently. And maybe maybe something can happen with that. Yeah. Let me shift gears and go over to the Longleaf Politics site that you run, longleafpol.com. I thought this was a pretty interesting idea. If maybe a little familiar, we'll call it the Jeff Jackson playbook.

[00:08:04] You tried to track down and understand how disaster recovery works in the state. And so can you explain it all to us? Yeah, absolutely. And you're right to say it is the Jeff Jackson playbook. I mean, I've been pretty consistent. I don't agree with Attorney General Jackson on a lot of policy things, but I do think he's the most effective communicator in North Carolina politics, perhaps of all time.

[00:08:32] So basically what I'm saying here is North Carolina disaster recovery is extremely complicated. Everybody's pointing fingers. Everything's moving more slowly. And I've done some preliminary digging trying to figure out how it works. You know, who's responsible for what? What does the federal government pay for? What does the state government pay for? Where is private insurance coming into play here? You know, what is government trying to accomplish here? And I can't find any answers.

[00:09:01] And so my suggestion is, you know, somebody who's in the General Assembly who sits on one of these committees could really do a big public service by laying out some, you know, face to the camera videos. Here's how it works. Here's what we're trying to do. You know, just pull the curtain back a little bit on how this big process works and how it should work and how it can be better. There's nobody out there doing that.

[00:09:29] I mean, honestly, this is something that the state emergency management department should do. I don't see that happening anytime soon. But I do think there might be some enterprising lawmakers who could take this on. Yeah. And there's an incentive politically for them to do that. It would raise their profile. And if they're looking, you know, to do something else in the future. All right. And then also. Absolutely. I don't even know what you call these things. I think of them as mascots, state symbols.

[00:09:56] I was not aware that there is actually what an effort to name the official fried apple pie festival of the state. Like, I'm not. And I think you wrote this, too. Like, I'm not aware. Are there competing fried apple pie festivals in the state at all? No, there's not. And state symbols are interesting. So, you know, everybody's familiar with the state bird, you know, the cardinal and the state flower, the dogwood.

[00:10:25] But there's actually probably like 60 or 70 different state symbols that North Carolina has designated. And it's actually a law. You know, somebody files a bill to designate an official state symbol. And every session there's, you know, a dozen or so of them. And so what I did on Longleaf Politics was break down, all right, so here's what makes a good state symbol. And here's how all the ones under consideration now fall into that.

[00:10:51] And the issue you just raised is exactly one that I take on. I mean, there's a lot of state symbols that feel more like a recognition of something that we like rather than an actual emblem or symbol of the state. And the fried apple pie festival is a good one. And there's a couple others that are just like that.

[00:11:13] For example, there's a bill to designate the official rice festival of North Carolina, which would be the aptly named North Carolina Rice Festival. Oh, yeah. Couldn't see that coming. There are no other rice festivals, right? So I don't think those are really state symbols. But things that do have multiple options could be good. But, you know, the one that I'm big on is designating the official state cookie as the Moravian cookie.

[00:11:42] I don't know how you feel about Moravian cookies. I love them. I can't get enough of them. And they are really unique to North Carolina. No other state could claim it. There's plenty of options. But that's the one. I'm backing that bill. So the Moravian cookie has a supporter in Andrew Dunn as the official state cookie, which I'm kind of surprised there's no official state cookie at this point. That is surprising. You also cite the Andy Griffith show, the official state TV show.

[00:12:11] That's one that checks your boxes, too, I guess. Yep. Distinctive North Carolina. Plenty of options. You know, millennials might like, what, One Tree Hill, I think, was killed in North Carolina. There's a couple others. But to me, you know, only Andy Griffith's show is going to work for me on that one. No, I hear you. I agree.

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[00:14:17] Oh, Lord. Stuck in Modi again, I believe. That's his walk-up tune. No, it's Modi. Sorry. And here's what J.D. Vance announced. As many of you are aware, both of our governments are hard at work on a trade agreement built on shared priorities, like creating new jobs, building durable supply chains, and achieving prosperity for our workers. In our meeting yesterday, Prime Minister Modi and I made very good progress on all of those points. Prime Minister.

[00:14:46] And we were especially excited to formally announce that America and India have officially finalized the terms of reference for the trade negotiation. I think this is a vital step. Thank you. I believe this is a vital step toward realizing President Trump's and Prime Minister Modi's vision because it sets a roadmap toward a final deal between our nations. All right. Well, that's good news.

[00:15:16] Struck a deal with Modi. Or Modi. Sorry. Prime Minister. But then there's also this aspect of the tariffs. And this is why I'm always, whenever we talk about economic news or issues, it's, you know, trade-offs. To quote Thomas Sowell. Right? There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs. Economic data is just a simple, is one data point. Right?

[00:15:42] And the, to draw that, to draw a larger conclusion from a single data point is, well, not good. Okay? You should really avoid it. Because there's so much of this stuff that's a mixed bag. Okay? And this is one of the downsides of tariffs. I talked about this when Trump first announced the tariffs. One of the downsides is the deal cutting. And I know Trump likes to cut deals and make deals and whatever. Like, I'm not saying anything about that.

[00:16:09] I'm talking about what happens in a tariff regime is that those industries or businesses or leaders who are connected, they get carve-outs. And then you, and once one of them gets a carve-out, you see the scrambling for more carve-outs. So you end up with this patchwork of winners and losers that the government has picked. And Apple got a carve-out.

[00:16:40] And that's, like, that's not great. That's not a great precedent. I think they had said that their iPhones would have gone from $1,000 to, like, $2,500 under the tariffs. And, you know, it makes sense why they would try to get protected from those protectionisms, protectionist policies, right? It makes sense. They want to keep selling iPhones.

[00:17:07] And if you jack the rate up by 145%, then that's going to get reflected in the price of the phones. So that's not great. But, like I said, we shall see. Also, another piece of economic data. Again, don't draw the larger—I'm not drawing any larger conclusions based on a single data point.

[00:17:35] However, and I was glad to see that the Dow is doing a little bit better today because so far this month, it's not good. The Dow has been on track, is now on track to close out April with its worst historical April performance since 1932, which is the Great Depression.

[00:18:01] Again, that's not to say that the entire economy is a wreck and everything is bad. I'm not saying that. I'm merely pointing out that that is a data point, and I hope it doesn't—like, I hope that doesn't stay there. I hope it bounces back, right? I hope we have a stronger economy once these tariff deals, these trade deals get signed. But that takes time, and it could be a year, right?

[00:18:30] We could go through a year of this kind of uncertainty until all of the deals are cut. So, all right. That's on the tariff front. All right. If you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events. And I know you do, too. And you've probably heard me say, get your news from multiple sources. Why? Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with Ground News.

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[00:19:52] Because one of the candidates is former New York governor Andrew Cuomo. The love gov. Remember him? Yeah. Well, apparently Republicans in Congress have pretty long memories, which makes sense because they are the party of the elephant.

[00:20:12] The House Oversight Chair, James Comer, is asking the Department of Justice to prosecute former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo for lying to Congress as part of its investigation into New York State's handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Were you old enough for that? Man, that was a crazy time. Holy cow. Yeah.

[00:20:39] Remember, Andrew Cuomo was the governor who sent COVID-infected people into the nursing homes and created a massive catastrophe among the elderly in New York State. James Comer is a Kentucky Republican.

[00:20:59] He accused Cuomo, a Democrat now running for New York City mayor, of making criminally false statements around the state's management of the pandemic in nursing homes. This is according to a piece at Politico.

[00:21:13] Former Representative Brad Wenstrup, the chair of the now disbanded House Select Committee on the coronavirus pandemic, had previously referred Cuomo to former Attorney General Merrick Garland for prosecution, a request that the Biden administration apparently ignored. But Comer's decision to return to the referral suggests that the Trump administration may now be willing to engage.

[00:21:42] Yes, this is what's called accountability. Andrew Cuomo should not be able to run for office without this accountability. Just because the previous administration didn't want to go after one of their fellow Democrats, even though the guy was embroiled in scandal. Remember, he was also. He was taken out. He's like he was like a me too guy, too. Right. Wasn't he? Didn't something happen with that?

[00:22:15] So here is the relevant timeline as produced by the House Oversight Committee. Back on March 25th of 2020. So this would have been right at the beginning of the pandemic's outbreak. The Cuomo administration recklessly directed New York nursing homes and long term care facilities to admit COVID positive and potentially COVID positive patients.

[00:22:42] As a result, New York's most vulnerable population was recklessly exposed to COVID-19. A couple of months later, July 6th, 2020. The New York State Department of Health releases a report alleging nursing home staff caused the excess COVID-19 deaths in the nursing homes. Not their directive.

[00:23:06] We have we have taken a look at this and we find ourselves to be not guilty of this terrible thing. In fact, it was all of you staffers. You guys brought the COVID. Into the nursing homes. Now, at the time, just as an aside, I was advocating to quarantine the nursing homes. You set up a quarantine for staff.

[00:23:30] You set up a quarantine for the patients, for the residents of the nursing homes of all facilities. Right. That would seem to be well positioned to prevent the spread of COVID-19. You would think it would be a nursing home with controlled access. Nobody gets in or out. According to witness testimony and new documents revealed in the select subcommittee's referral,

[00:23:57] Mr. Cuomo personally drafted and edited portions of this purportedly independent and peer-reviewed report. That's what they billed this as, an independent and peer-reviewed report. Spoiler alert, it was neither independent nor peer-reviewed. Fast forward in another six months or so.

[00:24:20] Now you're into January of 2021 and New York State Attorney General Letitia James is forging documents. No, I'm kidding. She wasn't forging documents. It's just a joke. Just lying on mortgage applications. But anyway, she released an investigative report claiming in part that Mr. Cuomo and his team undercounted the total number of nursing home deaths by as much as 50%. That was in January 2021.

[00:24:49] Fast forward a little bit more than two years. We are now in May of 2023. The Congressional House Select Subcommittee begins its investigation into New York's pandemic response and that disastrous March 25th directive that sent all of the patients into the nursing homes. As part of that investigation, the Select Subcommittee conducted transcribed interviews with New York state officials at the time.

[00:25:19] And then they list them all. That was May 2023. Fast forward another six months or so. December 2023, December 1. The Select Subcommittee requests Governor Cuomo appear for a transcribed interview. They tried to negotiate with him and his advisors and attorneys. They tried to accommodate him in all the ways that they could.

[00:25:46] And then after three months of that, not bearing any fruit, what the committee says, months of unjustified and unreasonable delays, the Select Subcommittee was forced to announce a subpoena for Mr. Cuomo's testimony. That was in March 2024. Sorry. So a year. They spent over a year trying to get this guy to sit for a transcribed interview. Finally, they subpoena him. March 2024.

[00:26:14] June 24. June 24. Cuomo appears for a transcribed interview. And during that interview, he testified that he was not involved in drafting the directive. The New York or sorry, the report on the cause that was released in July of what was it? 2020. Right. Because the New York State Department of Health released its report blaming the nursing home staff.

[00:26:42] And Cuomo said he was not involved in drafting that report. And he said he did not review the report prior to its public release. However, new evidence demonstrates these statements to be false. September. September.

[00:27:01] This past September, the Select Subcommittee releases a nearly 50-page memo presenting the evidence that Cuomo and his team were involved in the decision to issue the disastrous directive and then acted repeatedly to downplay the tragic aftermath of their decision. Cuomo's attorneys expressed her objections regarding the memo.

[00:27:27] In an effort to address those objections, the Select Subcommittee sent a series of additional questions to a former witness concerning his recent communication with Cuomo. September 10th. The next day, Cuomo appears at a hearing at which he was held publicly accountable for his role in New York's pandemic era failures. Same day, the Select Subcommittee announces a subpoena for current New York Governor Kathy Hochul.

[00:27:56] Her administration has continued to withhold documents related to the Cuomo administration's nursing home disaster. September 25th. The Select Subcommittee releases evidence suggesting Mr. Cuomo attempted to inappropriately influence a witness. And October 30th, 2024, Mr. Cuomo was referred to the Justice Department for making false statements to Congress. And then, of course, Merrick Garland, Attorney General at the time, did nothing.

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[00:29:52] I added that last part to this Politico article. Cuomo is now the frontrunner. Did you know this? He's the frontrunner in the Democratic primary for a New York City mayor. But the scandal around nursing home deaths through 2020, or throughout 2020, paired with the sexual harassment allegations that forced him to resign as governor in 2021, are haunting his comeback attempt, as they should. As they absolutely should.

[00:30:22] Cuomo has sought to direct blame elsewhere for the March 25th directive. In 2020, that was the nursing home directive which required elder care facilities to accept COVID-positive patients. But his rivals in the mayoral primary to challenge the sitting mayor, Eric Adams, have banded together to highlight Cuomo's decision to expose a vulnerable population to the deadly virus and accuse him of undercounting the deaths in elder care facilities that occurred as a result.

[00:30:52] Right? So you have this dynamic occurring where these Democrats are all vying for power in the Democrat primary. And so they are the ones that are now joining together to savage Andrew Cuomo. Had Andrew Cuomo not run for mayor and not tried to best them for the mayorship, they would not be engaged in this kind of accounting. Right?

[00:31:20] And we do need an accounting. You can call it a debrief or an autopsy, a postmortem, whatever. There needs to be an assessment of the COVID policies that were enacted. And there needs to be an assessment, a reconciliation process, if you will, an accounting of not just the policies but the people who advanced those policies.

[00:31:48] We played the soundbite in the past of Mandy Cohen, who was not only had it going on but also, as I understand it from the song, but she also was our Health and Human Services Secretary here in North Carolina. And after Cooper was gone and Cohen was gone, she does some discussion about her time as the Secretary of Health and Human Services during the pandemic.

[00:32:16] I think it was up at Harvard or something. I don't remember the location. It doesn't matter. But she's laughing about how she would call up people she knew in different states and ask them, oh, are you locking everybody down? Oh, yeah, we're totally locking them down. Okay, then we will too. There was – like, that's not science. Right? That's political science. That's polling. Right?

[00:32:42] That's trying to get a – it's trying to get an idea of where the herd is going so you too can join the herd. And that's not utilizing science. There has to be a reckoning. And I don't say that in order to punish people who, in hindsight, made the wrong decisions. I say that so we don't ever do the bad policies again.

[00:33:10] We never see another March 25th directive. When you have an airborne respiratory virus that is, you know, highly communicable and particularly dangerous to the older population, you don't send people into those facilities like New York State did. Right? That's just one example of this stuff. Here's another one. You don't shut down beaches and skate parks. Outside.

[00:33:40] Right? You don't ban church gatherings outside. We should all know which policies worked and we should know when the policies that didn't work were approved. How did they get approved? So we know that whatever process was used to approve it, we don't replicate that in future pandemics or emergencies. Because some of the stuff may have worked. Right?

[00:34:09] I mean, very little of it. But like you want to identify the stuff that worked and the stuff that didn't work. Cuomo claimed that he was not involved in a New York State Department of Health report on the nursing home crisis, but later said he did not recall reviewing or revising the report. But the Republican-led panel, House Oversight, concluded that Cuomo did in fact seek to alter the report as part of an effort to cover up the fallout.

[00:34:41] Of course he did. Right? And because of course he did. The fact that you had to do the report in the first place is indicative of the amount of heat this guy was facing because of the directive in the first place. Earlier we talked to Andrew Dunn about state symbols and the Moravian cookie. I got a message here from Denny who says,

[00:35:12] See, but here's the thing. The moon pie isn't North Carolina. A Kentucky coal miner asked a traveling salesman for a snack that was as big as the moon. Earl Mitchell was the salesman. And he reported back to the place that he was a salesman for, the bakery. And they obliged with a tasty treat named the moon pie.

[00:35:42] And that bakery was in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Chattanooga Bakery produced over 100 items, but they knew they had something special with the moon pie at five cents apiece. And they started flying off the shelves. So I don't think we can claim the moon pie as the official cookie of North Carolina. I would also suggest it's more of a pastry, I think. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening.

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