Stacey Matthews sees an old story in a new light after Original Sin publication (05-21-2025--Hour3)
The Pete Kaliner ShowMay 21, 202500:33:5431.08 MB

Stacey Matthews sees an old story in a new light after Original Sin publication (05-21-2025--Hour3)

This episode is presented by Create A Video – Stacey Matthews is a writer for Redstate.com and revisits the story of cocaine in the White House, in light of new information published in the book Original Sin, where Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson report that Hunter Biden was acting as a de facto Chief of Staff to Joe Biden. Subscribe to the podcast at: https://ThePetePod.com/ All the links to Pete's Prep are free: https://patreon.com/petekalinershow Media Bias Check: If you choose to subscribe, get 15% off here! Advertising and Booking inquiries: Pete@ThePeteKalinerShow.com Get exclusive content here!: https://thepetekalinershow.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, go to dpetecleanershow dot com. Make sure you hit the subscribe button. Get every episode for free, write to your smartphone or tablet, and again, thank you so much for your support. We welcome back to the program. Stacy Matthews, writer over at RedState dot com. She writes under the numb diplume of sister told you. Welcome Stacy. How are you today, Hey. Pete, good to be on. There's so much to talk about it. Yes, yes, I've been looking at your page, your author page or whatever it's called on the red state dot com site, and it seems like you've had some material. It's been a target rich environment. I see you've also got one that just posted up today regarding uh an old story UH that is related to the new developments that people are talking about from this book Original Sin and the you know, Biden's cognitive decline. But I guess like when you heard all of this, your mind went to cocaine, right, so like. What what so? And I thought I had not even considered this, so uh, but you're you're now what rethinking? Some earlier tales of cocaine in the White House? Well, we reported at the site. My colleague Banchi actually wrote the first story about it. There's so much coming out from the new book from Jake Papper and Alex Thompson's original Sin that came out officially on Tuesday, and one of the things that they reported was that Hunter Biden, in the last two years of Joe Biden's presidency was pulling a lot more strings than we previously knew. Of course, we knew ahead of time that he had even been and allegedly accompanying him into classified meetings, but it's actually, according to Jake Tapper, he was almost like the chief of staff for Biden in the last two years. And the whole revelation of that information, it's got people kind of revisiting the twenty twenty three Summer twenty twenty three cocaine incident where cocaine was found at the White House and we were told it was in various places. They told us it was in one place and would tell us it was another place. And the Secret Service investigation from that said that they never could determine who actually brought it in because there were so many people that came and went from the White House. Well, with this revelation about Hunter Biden and pulling strings and actually kind of being more in power than we knew at the Biden White House the last two years Biden was in office, this really kind of makes you revisit that and think, well, I think we really know this time, you know who it was who actually brought the cocaine in. I mean, it's funny on one hand, but it's not funny on the other hand because it just goes to show that there's been so many more cover ups in the White House that the media under reported or did not report at all. And at the time we all talked about it and speculated that it was Hunter Biden. But I think this is kind of the cherry on top for that story. I think it almost pretty much confirmed that Hunter Biden was the one who brought the cocaine into the White House at this point. Because it would not have been able if I remember correctly, you know, some member of a tour group or something like, they go through the screening and security checkpoints and all of that, but family members do not. And that would have given Hunter Biden access to enter and leave at his own will without any pat downs or security checks or anything. And it was in an area that is like not available to just the general public to go into and. Right, and the reason it needed to be covered up, I mean oviously was embarrassing. But number two even more importantly for Hunter Biden, who was trying to escape a lot of things at that time. According to Stephen Miller, who is an editor of The Spectator, he did every single person knows who the cocaine belonged to, but journalists actually doing journalism would have discovered that conditions of Hunter Biden's plea deal meant he stayed sober and clean, and if he violated that, then Joe Biden's only surviving son will be going to prison. Right. Yeah, So that's why it was covered up. You know, there's so much, there's so many layers to the cover that we're now learning. It's just astonishing and it's such a huge scandal and it deserves a major, major investigation that they shouldn't go away until the people who knew about these things and kept them from the public. And these are people at the highest levels of government, cabinet secretaries, possibly even Kamala Harris. They need to be held to account, if nowhere else than in the court of public opinion, because a lot of these people, well some of these people are going to be probably speaking all in the next few years, like Harris and a few others. They need to be exposed and called out for what they did. There was another tidbit in here that I have not seen reported, so I guess it was this information about bo Biden. Was this information in the book original Sin about his the cover up of his medical condition that was in the book too, Yes. This was kind of interesting, Pete. I wasn't aware of this. I just assumed around the time that his diagnosis was made, which was bo Biden's diagnosis was made, which was I believe in the summer of twenty thirteen. I just assumed that it had been made public knowledge at that point. But it happened, and as the book revealed, the Biden family actually had a discussion, a private discussion, as to how many details they would share in public. Now At the time Joe Biden was the vice president and his son both was the Attorney general of Delaware, and about a year after his diagnosis, he announced he was going to be running for governor. For the two years after his diagnosis to his unfortunate passing in May twenty fifteen, the family covered it up. Even when they would when bo Biden would travel to go get treatments at facilities in other states, I guess experimental treatments and whatnot, he would actually register under an alias so the media wouldn't be able to find out that it was him. So there was this extensive cover up of that health issue that they didn't want anybody to know about. And the vice president was involved in coordinating the cover up, but then vice president who was just our president for four years. So there's there's just a cover up history with the bidens that scans back well over decade, and it just so many things are just kind of told just some stuff going on now, you know, just all this stuff going on, it just makes you think what else did they cover up? So, I mean, just think about the how bonkers that is. You've got the sitting ag diagnosed with glioblastoma, that's brain cancer that is, I mean, that's terminal. Even if you go in and get surgery done and they can get it all out, chances are it comes back, and it is it can be very aggressive. My father in law passed away from glioblastoma. We saw firsthand what that does to somebody. And after a diagnosis of that a year later, you decide you're going to run for office, like what for another for governor. And they were also at the time, Peteon you may have seen this in the piece. There there were also doctors. I don't know if they were paid by the Biden family. I assume as they were. There were also doctors at the time who were issuing public reports stating that Bo Biden had a clean bill of help. These are people that physicians, licensed physicians who went through you know, this rigmarole of saying, you know, but Bo Biden is the picture of health when he wasn't, when he had just had a tumor the size of a golf ball removed from his brains. So if you think about that story and you kind of contrast it with the Biden cancer diagnosis that we you know, just heard about last week and make you wonder if they had a position back then. Who was willing to cover up bout Biden's condition? What about the physician who we're trading bikes for the last four years while he was in the White House? What are they covering up? I said, this is serious, Yeah, I said this. I guess Monday that I don't trust the Bidens too on anything, let alone health issues. I don't trust them. So when they come out with that statement, I mean, I can be you know, I can wish them well. I could say it's you know, that's that's that's sad news. I'm sorry to hear that, but I don't I don't believe anything else about it because I don't know well I know, and not to trust Joe Biden and his and his family on on this health stuff like that's it makes me wonder about the timing, right, Like did they do this in order to bigfoot the Jake Tapper book? Right? And you have to you have to ask these questions because the material of the book is precisely in the same category as the cancer diagnosis. And why all of this matters is that if the president was not cognitively functioning enough to be president, who the hell was running the government who was signing the orders. And the point you made as earlier on your on your Twitter feed is even beyond that. Does this put put into question the legality of things that Biden signed, like uh, you are allegedly signed like executive orders, pardons, you know, the autopen You know Trump has been making a big deal out of that in recent days. So this this just raises so many questions. And you know, I don't know the announcement of Biden's cancer diagnosis was timed. It probably was knowing their history of wanting to cover things up. And again, I wish him well too. As someone who is a caregiver to a mother who was diagnosed in twenty twenty two at the age of seventy nine with stage three B colon cancer, I'm very sympathetic to this issue. But I'm also sympathetic to mean what this whole story of cover ups, whether we're talking about a cancer cover up, a cognitive decline cover up, what had you. I'm very concerned about what happened in the Biden administration. It pisces me off that we were lied to, not just by Biden officials probably up and including his wife, oh definitely, but also the media who are now you know, Jake Tapper and now Thompson are taking victory laps over this book when Jake Tapper was one of the people who was most involved in the media side of the cover up even and he's even somewhat acknowledging that now even that he's not using the word cover ups. So again, like I said before, there's so many layers to this. And while I'm sympathetic to what the Bidens are going through now with the diagnosis, I am also very concerned as to what this all means. What happened. We need to have answers and and and releasing a statement about a cancer diagnosis should not stop a quest for more information and more sunlight on this issue. Yeah, accountability, I said it earlier in the show today. This is a reckoning and there are a lot of Democrats in media that don't want this to occur. But like I'm not, I'm not going to stop. And I hope more. I hope more people like Tapper write more books. Whatever information they can get out, I'm fine with because the more information that gets out, the worse and worse it looks, and we get more and more names, we get confirmation of the stuff that we saw, we knew, we believed, we hypothesized, we get confirmation that we were correct. And that's how a reckoning has to start. So yeah, and Pete, I don't know if you if you saw this story over ESA, but there's actually some journal in fighting going on about Tapper and Thompson coming out with this book, because there's journalists out there who are saying, Hey, we don't need to talk about Joe Biden right now. We need to be talking about Trump and what he's doing and whatnot, even though there might have been some issues during the Biden presidency. Well, my thought bubble is on that if you actually wrote about this stuff during the Biden presidency, maybe we wouldn't be talking about. Them, right, Yeah, exactly, Just do your job. And you know, maybe we wouldn't be in this situation. But that's another story for another day. No, you're exactly right, Stacy Matthews. She writes under the diploma of Sister told You over at RedState dot com. You can read all of her, ladies, and she's prolific writer. She's putting out what do you do, like five sixteen posts a day. 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Establishment sure seems determined to distance itself from the obvious media and political cover up of the past four years. No one exemplifies that DC establishment as Sally Quinn does. Do you know who Sally Quinn is? Not the medicine woman. No, not only is Quinn the douyen of DC society, she has also has a columnist gig at the Washington Post, has had that for decades. She was married to the legendary Washington Post editor Ben Bradley for thirty six years until his death in twenty fourteen, and has long been a formidable figure in the nation's capital, both politically and socially. So when Sally Quinn throws somebody under robus, it means something, especially when that's someone has been around DC for as long as Quinn has. Quinn tells the journalist Tara Pelmery in a new and linked the interview that the Bidens acted in an unpatriotic manner in attempting to extend their grasp on power, and Quinn knows who to blame. She pulls no punches in a wide ranging interview, calling Biden unpatriotic and accusing the former First Lady Jill Biden, sorry, doctor Jill Biden, of being the enabler quote. I blame Jill Biden for this. Jill Biden is his wife. She clearly was in favor of his running, and I just think it was a terrible disservice to the country. Right. So you got the the media apparatus and the Democrat Party establishment and the leadership there. Everybody is now focusing on the Bidens and blaming them that he's the reason Trump won because he but se'ch thing like that. That removes any any of the help, any of the covering up, right, and it relieves them of all accountability, because well, when he said he was running again, I mean, we just we just had to fall in line. We had no other choice, right, what was I supposed to do? I may have, you know, seen Joe Biden acting off and making all of these mistakes and these gaps and the cognitive decline and the glitching and all of this. But what was I supposed to do? We had to beat Donald Trump, so I had to help cover it up. That's their argument. No quarter. I give no quarter to these folks. She goes on to say, I felt sorry for Joe Biden because I didn't think she was protecting him. She wasn't protecting him from himself. And after that hideous debate, right after the debate, they were in the spin room and she got his hand up and there you know. Victory, victory. We won. It was great, it was great. And then the next day he's off in North Carolina making a victory speech, and I thought, what were they watching? I thought it was just elder abuse, really what they were putting him through. I think this is interesting that she says that that Biden that Jill did not protect Joe, because in Tapper and Thompson's book, they described Jill as the protector and loyalty and forcer. That's how they described her. Protect her. Of what of whom? You don't do that to somebody you love, putting him out there, keeping him out there. At some point you take the car keys from your grandfather. All right. If you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too. And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app and it's a website, and it combines news from around the world in one place, so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, dot news slash Pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. I started using ground News a few months ago and more recently, chose to work with them as an affiliate because it lets me see clearly how stories get covered and by whom. The blind spot feature shows you which stories get ignored by the left and the right. 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That's the Nancy Pelosi, as we write about in the book, has a private and secret meeting with Biden after the debate where she's urging him to look at the polling information and I don't know when the last time she had had a one on one with him was because she suggests that after she stepped down as Democratic leader after the midterms of twenty twenty two. She barely saw him. And this is a theme throughout twenty twenty three, especially the last half of twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, how many people didn't have access to him, how many people didn't see him. And that and this was by design. You write in the book that Alex I'll bring you in because there was a so called what you write about as a pollit bureau surrounding him. It was four people plus Biden to make five. Can you tell us who those people were? And is the theory then that those are the four people who did know and worked as this as sort of cabal to keep everybody else at arm's length so that they wouldn't also have full knowledge of his deterioration. Okay, so the people that we're naming would to be Mike Donald, Steve Chetty, mc donald's top political advisor, Steve shechetti's top legislative advisor, Ron Klain when he was chief of staff. Bruce Reid is basically longtime policy adviser. Those are sort of the four. They were known as a pulp borow, gray hairs pooh bahs, and they were with him the most of anybody. Now if you were to ask them, and I still think even if you put them on truth serum today, they would say he was fine. You know, I think I don't know if they're lying or lying to themselves or it doesn't matter. Then there's this other sort of group that aren't the polit burrel but are just as powerful. And they were the ones that kept the schedule, affected personnel, and really built the bubble. And that would be any Timessini, who was deputy chief of Staff and previously Oval Office operations. And then Anthony Bernall, who was the top aid slash enforcer for First Lady Jill Biden and had incredible influence to the point that even people in the Biden White House would refer to her as one of the most powerful First Ladies in history. You write about this Bernal a lot, and you suggest, Jake, it was very to find anybody with a nice word to say about this guy who was Jill Biden's top person. Yeah, and he acknowledged that he had a tough reputation. He was the chief of staff for Jill Biden and perhaps the most powerful First Lady chief of staff in the history of this country. He is somebody that enforced what Jill Biden wanted. And at the end of the day, one of the things that was interesting when we wrote this book and researched this book was trying to figure out why was there no discussion of whether or not he should run for reelection. Why was it just a foregone conclusion that he was going to run for reelection, especially after he had made this kind of vague promise that he would be a one term president. And it came down to two people, one of whom spoke for Biden, that's Mike Donalan, and the other one spoke for First Lady Jill Biden, and that's Anthony Bernal, And basically they communicated to the rest of the staff. Bernal would say, you run for two terms, you serve for two terms, you don't do one. And Mike Donaldan would say, you know, Biden's made the decision. He's running. That's it. There's no discussion. And when people would try to raise it, although nobody directly with Joe Biden, but when people would try to raise you know, Anita Dunn said something, I'm like, are we sure this is a good idea. A different Polster was like, shouldn't we figure out if like this is even a good idea. This is the politics of it all. This is not whether or not he should or should not have been president. This is about whether or not he could get reelected, which is a different level. Here, they would say, the decision has been made. The decision has been made. And so there was a small group of people running the train. And I think that it's not a star chamber so much because they weren't like, it wasn't like five of them in a room making these decisions, but definitely were Shatty and Donald and definitely Bernal, and then different individuals hopping in and out, whether Genna Melly Dillon who was a deputy chief of staff and then ran the campaign, whether Anita Donn, whether Ron Klain or Jeff Science, the chiefs of staff all played different roles. Okay, So Mike donalllan you heard there. I mentioned earlier that when they were on the campaign bus tour in twenty nineteen, Biden forgot this guy's name multiple times, even though the guy had worked for Biden for like thirty years. But think of the timeframe here, right, because all of This goes to an idea that animates Biden world, which is only Joe could beat Trump, that he's got this you know, phoenix rising from the ashes, kind of lore of himself in his mind, and the others around him either believe it or they allow him to believe it, so they are all like, he's the only one that could win. He's the only one that could beat Trum because he did. Right. But at some point, if you've got like in twenty nineteen, if he's showing signs of cognitive decline on the campaign trail, then what. COVID? Right, he wins the primary. Everyone else falls away. He's now the nominee. COVID hits and he goes into the basement. Best thing to ever happen. Right for his campaign, Trump is out there every day. People are associating him with COVID, and you know, the closures and the economy and everything. Then he wins, and then what happens. All of the charges start getting filed against Donald Trump. Right, you start getting all of these criminal charges getting filed against Trump, which then empowers Trump. People are now like, I wasn't going to vote him before, but oh now I will, you know, and part of me has to wonder, did you file the charges? Did you do all of that and go after Trump to try to throw him in jail so he could not run again? Did you do that in order to keep him out? And early on did you do that because you thought Joe was going to be gone, that he was only going to be a one termer, so you needed to make sure Trump was out of the picture. And then what did you do? You end up empowering Trump by filing the charges, and then that feeds biden world's mentality of only Joe can beat Trump, and so you kept him in. What a colossal backfire? The charges were right? If that's the way this thing played out, What a colossal backfire? Your charge is not only made Trump more popular, but it also convinced Biden to stay if he wasn't already thinking to do so. 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Brittney Grinder is going out that gets out of Russian control, Russian you know, she was a prisoner in Russia. Biden is outside the Oval office with and Jake Sullivan, his National security advisor, and Kate Benningfield, his communications director, are there and he can't. Come up with their names. This is December twenty twenty two. He calls Jake Steve Steve, and then he called Kate Benningfield Press, and then he beckons them to come with him. So I don't know. I saw in that same interview that Jake said he did, Jake Sullivan said he didn't remember that. I can't attest to what people remember what they don't. I just know that that happened. That happened, and you also report, Alex that there was interference run by I think this same Paul at Bureau, this cabal against the White House residence staffers so that they would not witness what the inner circle was witnessing with his deterioration. Can you fill that out a bit. Yeah. The residence staff were really stunned with how especially the first Lady's Office took over really through Bernal and a Tomassini. Both of them also unusual had resident staff that passes, which is not normal for aids in the White House to be able to go like to and from they would, you just had certain powers, to the point that a lot of the resident staff, you know, they felt they were being kept at bay, that they were not trust and that they often were they're just twiddling their thumbs. They would have to go, They often went home early, they didn't have a lot to do, and there was a feeling among some in the resident staff that this was about hiding his deterioration. And we quote one resident. Staff, you know, official that said he would just sometimes look at you, and I'm paraphrasing, he would just sometimes look at you like he didn't even know you, even though I was seeing him every day. They also fired the White House elevator operator in the residence, the guy who would be you know, manning the elevator every day, and they told him we don't need your services in the residence side. And that is believed to have been an effort to keep somebody out of Biden's orbit, right where he would see every see Biden every day, multiple times a day. Get him out of the picture. All right, let me go over and talk to Eric. Hello, Eric, welcome to the show. Hey see, I appreciate taking my car. This is a little alternative history here, But the Democrats since twenty fifteen have been trying, had tried everything possible to keep Donald Trump from being president, from the dossier to Russia gay to multiple impeachments. The only thing that really beat Trump was probably COVID, and even recently you had the law fair But to me, in thinking about all this, the best chance that the Democrats ever had to prevent Donald Trump from entering the White House would have been in twenty sixteen, had Jim Comey in the Justice Department indicted Hillary Clinton ended her campaign, and who would have come in. Joe Biden was much more like and probably much more capable at that time, and I think he would have won and he could have beaten Trump bet and probably may will have prevented Trump from ever being president. But I think the lack of courage that they exhibited in failing to follow through with her obvious crimes probably caused Trump to be president. No, that's interesting theory. It reminds me of the uhu was it Charlie Wilson's War, where you've got uh Well, hang on a second, I can hear the rate. I'm gonna put you on. Hold Eric, you've got I'm drawn a blank on the guy's name, but you got Tom Hanks and the other fella, I forget his name. But he's telling him this old tale from like Afghanistan, where the uh you know, the village elder keeps saying we'll see, Like the little boy gets injured and everybody says, oh, that's terrible, and the elder says, we'll see. And then there's a war, and then the kid is not drafted because he is maimed, and so they're like, oh, isn't it good that you don't have to go to war? And the guy says, oh, we'll see, and so and through the progression of the story. Things that people think are good right now turn out not to be so right. And to Eric's theory, there not prosecuting Hillary Clinton, right. They thought that was a good thing at the time. It turned out not to be. So we'll see, we'll see. B Lincoln was involved, Sullivan was involved. Pryne On Pierre barely mentioned in the book. I'm guessing she was one of the sources. I all right, that'll do it for this episode. 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