Sheriff "Not My Fault" McFadden admits to using racial slurs (11-20-2024--Hour2)

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[00:00:28] Last hour, we talked about the override in the House, the North Carolina House of HB10, that will force our Sheriff Gary Not My Fault McFadden to honor the ICE detainers for violent illegal immigrants that otherwise make bond for their violent charges.

[00:00:50] He has refused to honor those detainers. But he says he cooperates with ICE by letting them know that this person is in the jail. But if they bond out, oh well. Even though the ICE agents are saying, hey, hold on to them. This has been a problem for six years.

[00:01:10] He ran on that campaign promise. But now he says this is the biggest lie. Everybody is lying about Gary McFadden's position on ICE. He's just following the law. Well, now the the legislature is going to explicitly tell you.

[00:01:30] Honor the detainers like 95 other sheriffs or 94 other sheriffs around the state already do. Got a message from Russ on Twitter. His two big reasons for not working with ICE are that he might be sued and it hurts relationships in the community.

[00:01:49] Number one. Russ says, I've only heard of one case nationwide where somebody sued because they were held longer for an ICE detainer and that case got thrown out by a San Francisco judge.

[00:02:02] Number two. I've spoken to people in the Latino community that say releasing these people makes people in the community less likely to cooperate with police because they know the dangerous ones are more likely to be back on the streets and exact revenge on anyone who cooperates with law enforcement.

[00:02:20] And that is exactly correct. There's no risk. For the person that's whipping up on their wife, engaging in gang activity.

[00:02:34] And they get arrested for it. And there's no risk of deportation for them.

[00:02:41] And so that makes people in the community less safe and less likely to work with you.

[00:02:49] As a sheriff's office, less likely to report crimes because now there's very little upside for them.

[00:02:57] Yes, it gets them off the street, but as soon as they bond out and shall we talk about what's occurring with the low bonds and such?

[00:03:04] It's very easy to get back out.

[00:03:11] All right, I'll go here to Ronald. Hello, Ronald. Welcome to the show.

[00:03:15] How you doing, man?

[00:03:16] Hey, I'm all right. What's up?

[00:03:18] It sounds like, I mean, he sounds like a Republican to me, man.

[00:03:23] Who does?

[00:03:25] McFadden.

[00:03:26] McFadden sounds like a Republican.

[00:03:28] Yeah.

[00:03:29] Hmm.

[00:03:30] Why is that?

[00:03:33] Say the things he's doing, going to do, and then turn around and don't do it.

[00:03:39] Well, no, McFadden has said that he doesn't want to cooperate with ICE and he hasn't been.

[00:03:45] But he didn't run on that campaign, though.

[00:03:47] Oh, yeah, he did. Absolutely.

[00:03:51] He ran to cooperate with ICE.

[00:03:53] No.

[00:03:54] He ran to cooperate with them.

[00:03:55] No, he ran to not cooperate.

[00:03:58] Oh, well, he's doing a great job.

[00:04:00] He's not cooperating with them.

[00:04:01] I agree.

[00:04:02] No, I agree.

[00:04:04] He's not cooperated with ICE.

[00:04:06] But he now claims...

[00:04:07] No, but Ronald, he now claims that he does cooperate with ICE.

[00:04:14] But he doesn't.

[00:04:16] So, I mean, look, hey, I get it, man.

[00:04:18] You might want to just kind of do a little bit more stretching before you make that kind of a reach

[00:04:21] and a rhetorical jousting there.

[00:04:25] It just didn't work out for you.

[00:04:26] But I appreciate the call.

[00:04:29] So let me do this.

[00:04:31] Every now and again, I bring to you a word.

[00:04:34] And we call it the word of the day.

[00:04:37] And so today's word of the day is frustrated.

[00:04:43] I assume it's spelled F-L-U-strated.

[00:04:48] Like flustrated, but you pronounce it flustrated.

[00:04:52] Almost like frustrated, but not.

[00:04:56] Because there's an L there.

[00:04:57] It's flustrated.

[00:05:00] I was unaware that this word existed.

[00:05:02] But apparently it does.

[00:05:04] Because Gary McFadden used this word at least three times by my count in his interview that he sat for with Brett Jensen from WBT.

[00:05:14] Brett played his entire interview.

[00:05:15] He did the interview in Gary McFadden's office.

[00:05:19] And they covered a bunch of different topics.

[00:05:21] But they spent probably about half of the 45-minute or so interview talking about the accusations that came to light with the audio recording of him using racial slurs.

[00:05:34] Which, by the way, he says at the end, let's move past that.

[00:05:37] It's time to move on from that.

[00:05:39] So the first question that he was asked is, what was the context?

[00:05:43] Brett asks him, what's the context in which the audio recording was made?

[00:05:50] Like, what meeting was this?

[00:05:52] Who were you talking to?

[00:05:53] What was it about?

[00:05:54] Whatever.

[00:05:54] Like, what is the context of you making these comments on the audio recording that got published like two or three weeks ago?

[00:06:06] And he says he doesn't remember really anything about the context.

[00:06:11] I don't remember who I was sitting with or who I was talking to.

[00:06:15] Obviously, it's my voice.

[00:06:17] I've never denied that.

[00:06:18] You know, people ask me, well, you could have said AI, but that's not me.

[00:06:22] I don't remember the context.

[00:06:23] I remember during that time, it is difficult and I'm frustrated with a lot of members of my staff.

[00:06:30] And here's what we have to divide.

[00:06:32] You have your administrative staff.

[00:06:34] Hang on a second.

[00:06:35] So first off, I appreciate you not lying.

[00:06:38] Like, that's helpful that apparently people counseled you to say it was AI and you said no.

[00:06:46] So you knew it was you.

[00:06:48] You knew you said this stuff.

[00:06:49] You don't know when it occurred, but you kind of sort of do because now you just said that you were very frustrated with your staff.

[00:06:58] Yeah.

[00:06:59] So you do know some bit of context about this recording.

[00:07:05] And you have your custody staff and the people who work inside the detention center.

[00:07:10] So I'm not concerned about the people inside the detention center because they're my rock.

[00:07:15] They do.

[00:07:16] They work.

[00:07:17] They work very hard.

[00:07:18] So.

[00:07:19] So let's divide.

[00:07:20] So I'm talking to my administration.

[00:07:22] OK, so he's talking to his administration.

[00:07:24] So, again, that would be a little bit of context.

[00:07:28] Right.

[00:07:28] He's talking to his executive staff, his administration, and he's very frustrated.

[00:07:34] My administration about how that I'm pushing this agency forward.

[00:07:39] We are very progressive agency.

[00:07:41] We are a very different agency.

[00:07:43] And so I don't remember the context.

[00:07:45] I don't remember who I was.

[00:07:46] But the voice is mine.

[00:07:48] I said some things out of pure frustration, pure just upset with how we're trying to move this agency.

[00:07:55] And you become dormant, dormant and then just come to work, as most people say.

[00:08:01] OK.

[00:08:02] One of the things that.

[00:08:04] One of the things that I realized in watching this interview, listening to his words.

[00:08:09] Is that.

[00:08:11] Gary McFadden, sheriff, not my fault, McFadden.

[00:08:14] I think he's an ideas guy.

[00:08:19] Right.

[00:08:19] Versus an implementation guy.

[00:08:22] I think he comes up with all sorts of ideas.

[00:08:26] But doesn't have the faintest idea of how to actually implement them and then manage it.

[00:08:33] And.

[00:08:34] And I'm not saying that.

[00:08:36] As like a disparagement against.

[00:08:38] I'm not knocking him for it because.

[00:08:40] People are different.

[00:08:42] You know that.

[00:08:43] People have like.

[00:08:44] And I've known these types of people in various.

[00:08:48] Different.

[00:08:49] Settings and environments in my own life.

[00:08:52] People that constantly come up with different ideas and that sort of stuff.

[00:08:56] But they're not very good at the implementation.

[00:08:57] So you want to have somebody come along because it's the.

[00:09:00] It's a different side of the brain that kind of does that.

[00:09:03] That thinking.

[00:09:06] And you want somebody to come along that's more ordered in their thinking versus more chaotic in their thinking.

[00:09:12] And again, these are not negative.

[00:09:14] I'm not ascribing.

[00:09:15] Negative attributes.

[00:09:17] Because if you go too far in either direction, that's not healthy either.

[00:09:21] You don't want to be completely chaotic.

[00:09:24] You don't want to be completely ordered.

[00:09:26] Right.

[00:09:26] Right.

[00:09:27] So.

[00:09:29] I think he is more on the chaotic side.

[00:09:32] And that.

[00:09:33] Means that he comes up with all these ideas and programs and new things.

[00:09:38] And he wants all the credit in the world because he's the hero victim.

[00:09:41] So he wants everybody to praise him for these ideas that he comes up with.

[00:09:44] But on the implementation side.

[00:09:46] And I think we heard this like last week in some of the former employees who have now come out.

[00:09:52] And talked about how he manages the day to day.

[00:09:56] And they said he gets very.

[00:09:58] Dare I say frustrated.

[00:10:00] He gets very frustrated with.

[00:10:01] With people who aren't following his vision.

[00:10:04] Even though they asked him for the vision.

[00:10:06] Right.

[00:10:07] People would ask him, what is it you're trying to do?

[00:10:09] What is it?

[00:10:09] How do we do this?

[00:10:10] And he would get very frustrated with them because they couldn't implement his ideas.

[00:10:17] And it made him upset.

[00:10:20] And so he had to use the racial slurs, obviously.

[00:10:25] So we hear in that first audio clip that McFadden says he was told by people that he could just lie.

[00:10:32] That it was AI of him on the audio recording.

[00:10:34] But he's not.

[00:10:35] He's not going to do that.

[00:10:37] So give him credit for that.

[00:10:38] He's a hero here.

[00:10:39] Also, it sounds like he does in fact know the context of the audio clip.

[00:10:44] He was yelling at administrative staff.

[00:10:46] Because he believed they were hindering him in his vision for a progressive agency.

[00:10:55] Now here's the other thing.

[00:10:56] If this was a one-time occurrence.

[00:10:59] He would probably remember the context, right?

[00:11:01] One would think.

[00:11:02] He says he doesn't remember the context.

[00:11:05] But he knows he was yelling at administration.

[00:11:08] His administrative staff.

[00:11:09] He knows that.

[00:11:13] But if it was a one-time occurrence, you would remember that.

[00:11:16] Like, oh yeah, that one time I got so frustrated that I used the word cracker against a white employee.

[00:11:28] You would remember that as a standalone incident because it would be abnormal.

[00:11:34] Now maybe it's possible that he does this a lot.

[00:11:39] And that's why he really couldn't tell you what the context was because that's basically every meeting.

[00:11:44] Oh, and by the way, that's what his deputy or chief deputy, Kevin Canty, that's what he said.

[00:11:52] He said that every single meeting with McFadden, employees were subjected to this kind of bullying behavior.

[00:12:03] So maybe that's why he doesn't know the context, right?

[00:12:06] That makes sense.

[00:12:07] He just, there's so many offenses that he just, he didn't know which one was caught on tape.

[00:12:11] And there could be more coming.

[00:12:13] He doesn't know.

[00:12:16] So then he has asked, again, Brett Jensen from WBT asks him, which I thought was a good question.

[00:12:24] What does the word cracker mean to you?

[00:12:28] Well, I don't use it often.

[00:12:30] Most people think I do.

[00:12:31] Okay.

[00:12:34] Most people think you use the word cracker often.

[00:12:39] Why would most people think that?

[00:12:42] Is that the media?

[00:12:43] Is that the media lying again on you?

[00:12:45] Is that what's happening?

[00:12:46] That must be very frustrating, man.

[00:12:50] So most people think he uses this racial slur a lot, but he doesn't.

[00:12:56] Of course not.

[00:12:58] He wouldn't do that.

[00:13:00] What cracker means to me, if you're from the South, is the person who is beating a slave.

[00:13:07] The crack of the whip is called a cracker.

[00:13:10] That is what I've always associated with that word.

[00:13:13] So using it in this reference, or you heard your voice, what does that, what would make you want to use that word?

[00:13:20] Just out of anger, out of frustration.

[00:13:22] So like I said, you know, I'm not going to deny it.

[00:13:24] And if I've said 10 times here, you know, I apologize for it.

[00:13:26] But I'm saying you have a person over here, which people don't understand.

[00:13:30] It was actually giving that, not the word, let me make sure, not the word cracker.

[00:13:35] But saying this guy is actually outworking all of you all under the circumstances that he's under.

[00:13:42] And so I'm telling them I'm upset about that.

[00:13:44] Can't you all do what you need to do and outwork him?

[00:13:48] So it was motivation.

[00:13:51] Oh, why didn't you say so?

[00:13:54] Calling the white guy a cracker was motivation to your black employees because he's cracking the whip or something.

[00:14:05] Wouldn't you be?

[00:14:07] Wouldn't you, Sheriff, be the cracker?

[00:14:10] Right?

[00:14:11] Because you're the one cracking the whip.

[00:14:16] It's very confusing.

[00:14:18] I'm not sure he understands what this word's usage is.

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[00:15:22] Flustrated.

[00:15:25] Flustrated dates back to 1712.

[00:15:28] It's the jocular formation from fluster and frustrated.

[00:15:35] So it's a hybrid word when you become so flustered or frustrated that you become frustrated or flustered.

[00:15:44] It's frustration, the jocular formation.

[00:15:50] What does jocular mean?

[00:15:52] It means of the nature of or containing a joke.

[00:16:01] So the jesting formation of fluster and frustration.

[00:16:08] So it's just a made-up word to combine fluster and frustration.

[00:16:15] And it's just like, oh, he just made up this word.

[00:16:21] Oh, that's hilarious.

[00:16:23] Flustration.

[00:16:24] It is in the dictionary.

[00:16:27] But then again, they've been adding all sorts of crazy words.

[00:16:29] But anyway, frustration.

[00:16:31] Word of the day.

[00:16:33] So thank you, Gary.

[00:16:34] Not my fault, McFadden.

[00:16:35] Give him credit.

[00:16:36] Give him credit for making frustration come back.

[00:16:40] Flustration's making a comeback.

[00:16:44] He's going to be the sacrificial lamb for racism in America.

[00:16:49] But also the re-inspiration, the rebirth of the word flustrate.

[00:16:55] See?

[00:16:57] You'll recall also that the North Carolina Sheriff's Association issued a statement about him and his use of the racial slurs.

[00:17:09] They were not a fan.

[00:17:10] They were not a fan.

[00:17:12] So he apparently had a meeting with the Sheriff's Association.

[00:17:15] And he told WBT's Brett Jensen in this interview that before he went and sat down for the interview, he decided that he was going to be super prepared.

[00:17:26] And you recall from the speech he gave about a week ago at the graduation ceremony and swearing in for all the new recruits where he just made the whole thing about himself and about this scandal.

[00:17:38] He he talked about how he never has a script.

[00:17:42] He never prepares remarks.

[00:17:43] But this time going in front of the Sheriff's Association board or whatever it was.

[00:17:49] Like he wanted to be really prepared.

[00:17:53] Last Thursday, I met with a panel of 12 in a room.

[00:17:58] And I can tell you, we had about an hour of discussion.

[00:18:01] And I thought that I was going to be really prepared for that better than I ever had.

[00:18:08] And I sat in Raleigh the night before and wrote all the things that I thought that was important.

[00:18:15] And I went over emails that I thought that was important, showing them, hoping that a fellow sheriff would understand that when you are deceived by your chief deputy and your executive staff, that's a blow to you.

[00:18:28] Ah, victim.

[00:18:30] See, hero victim.

[00:18:31] He's the victim.

[00:18:32] He was deceived by everybody around him.

[00:18:36] They all lied.

[00:18:38] So I'm trying to get to understand that.

[00:18:40] I had wrote all this in my notebook.

[00:18:43] And when I left to go to the hearing, I looked inside my briefcase and I didn't have the notebook.

[00:18:50] So for the next hour, I said...

[00:18:52] Wait, wait, wait.

[00:18:52] Did you go back to the hotel and get it?

[00:18:56] Where was the notebook?

[00:18:57] Because I see it.

[00:18:58] It was sitting on the table in front of the couch where you were doing your interview in your office.

[00:19:03] That leather bound, nice looking notebook.

[00:19:05] I assume that was his.

[00:19:07] So I guess he got it back.

[00:19:09] I don't know.

[00:19:09] Did he leave it at the hotel and went back and got it later?

[00:19:11] I don't know.

[00:19:12] We may never know how he retrieved this notebook.

[00:19:16] But he did write down all of this stuff.

[00:19:18] He had all the emails, all the proof about how everybody was lying to him.

[00:19:22] And he just...

[00:19:23] He apparently left it someplace.

[00:19:26] Spoke my heart.

[00:19:27] So you just spoke my heart.

[00:19:27] And I spoke to every sheriff in there.

[00:19:29] Some individually.

[00:19:30] Some asked me a lot of questions.

[00:19:35] And a couple of sheriffs said, well, we expected you to come in here and tell us something.

[00:19:43] But we're more...

[00:19:44] Was interested if you're going to tell us the truth.

[00:19:47] And they said they...

[00:19:48] Hoping that I came in here and told them exactly what I told them that day.

[00:19:53] So Thursday, they wrote a letter.

[00:19:56] And for as their concern, that is it.

[00:19:59] Be careful what you say.

[00:20:02] Understand people hold you to a higher standard.

[00:20:04] And we can talk about that.

[00:20:06] Holding you to a higher standard.

[00:20:07] But I told them I'm human.

[00:20:09] Hold me to a higher standard.

[00:20:11] But understand that I have feelings.

[00:20:13] Hold me to a higher standard.

[00:20:15] But understand that I will make mistakes.

[00:20:17] And I'm human.

[00:20:18] Understand that no matter what you give me, I'm still a human being.

[00:20:21] I still get upset.

[00:20:23] I'm still frustrated at what is not happening in my agency.

[00:20:27] Which I want it to happen.

[00:20:28] So understand that.

[00:20:29] And I think that most of the sheriffs in there understood that.

[00:20:33] And we had a great conversation.

[00:20:35] Hero victim.

[00:20:36] There it is again.

[00:20:37] I'm human.

[00:20:38] I have feelings.

[00:20:39] I'm the victim.

[00:20:39] I'm going to make mistakes.

[00:20:40] I'm going to get upset.

[00:20:41] I'm going to use some racial slurs.

[00:20:43] Who among us, right?

[00:20:45] So then Brett Jensen asks if McFadden believes that he has lived up to those higher standards.

[00:20:54] Spoiler alert.

[00:20:55] Yes, he does.

[00:20:56] I think that I have held the standards to a higher standard.

[00:21:01] Okay.

[00:21:01] I don't even know what that means.

[00:21:02] I have held the standard to a higher standard.

[00:21:05] I don't know what that means.

[00:21:06] But I think it's a yes.

[00:21:07] Two words or one sentence overshadows 44 years of law enforcement experience.

[00:21:14] And people said, oh, well, he did this and he did that.

[00:21:16] And I told you one here, one there.

[00:21:19] There is no consistency of me being acting like what we heard on the tape.

[00:21:24] Again, was the tape the right thing at that time?

[00:21:29] Absolutely not.

[00:21:31] Absolutely not.

[00:21:31] Absolutely not.

[00:21:31] Should I have said it?

[00:21:32] Absolutely.

[00:21:32] It has no place in law enforcement.

[00:21:35] But you have to understand that we are human.

[00:21:38] And when you're human, you say things out of context and you wish you could take it back.

[00:21:44] But as they say, once the toothpaste is out of the tube, you can't put it back.

[00:21:50] Hmm.

[00:21:52] Yeah, I'm not buying this.

[00:21:53] Sorry.

[00:21:55] There was a moment there where I thought, hmm.

[00:21:58] But then no.

[00:21:59] Not buying it.

[00:22:00] Then he's going to talk about how he is a fearless and bold leader that, yes, wears, you know, people criticize him for wearing flashy attire.

[00:22:10] And having confidence.

[00:22:12] Not arrogance, mind you.

[00:22:13] He says it's confidence.

[00:22:15] By the way, confidence is a belief in your ability and a positive self-image.

[00:22:21] Arrogant people are actually not often confident at all.

[00:22:26] See, because confident people are self-aware.

[00:22:29] Arrogant people are not.

[00:22:31] And by the way, this idea that there's not some sort of history, there's, oh, there's just one recording, you know, one sentence, two words on a recording from years ago.

[00:22:41] Yeah, that's not what the people who have been going to the media have been saying.

[00:22:45] All of your hires, the people that you brought on to work with you, they're all saying, the ones that are, you know, free, that are speaking freely, they're out there saying, no, this is a pattern and this is the way he always talks.

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[00:23:30] Icky Fu on the Twitter machine says, gets gets frustrated with the pace of implementation, the process of getting from ideas to reality.

[00:23:39] Or he doesn't understand why some ideas cannot be implemented.

[00:23:45] It's probably probably not good at pivoting either.

[00:23:50] Yeah, I think this is I think this is why he gets so frustrated.

[00:23:55] This is why he just had to use these racial slurs against his employees.

[00:24:01] I mean, yes, he was trying to motivate them, but he's also frustrated because he has this idea.

[00:24:08] He wants this thing to be implemented because he's going to then be recognized even further as the great sheriff that he is.

[00:24:19] Even though nothing is his fault.

[00:24:20] And so he wants this idea like, you know, turning the the jail or the the inmate transportation bus into a bookmobile.

[00:24:31] Right.

[00:24:31] He wants all the credit for these these, you know, outside the box ideas.

[00:24:36] Oh, he threw one out in this interview.

[00:24:39] You have got to hear this thing.

[00:24:41] Oh, this is a good one.

[00:24:44] He really.

[00:24:45] Yeah, no, we're going to we'll get to that next hour because it's kind of a he he talks about the idea.

[00:24:50] Hey, just spitball in here, basically.

[00:24:53] And here's the thing, though, about ideas.

[00:24:55] Now, I always say, you know, me, I always say there are no bad ideas under the cone of creativity.

[00:25:02] But that's a very specific location.

[00:25:05] And when you are an elected official and you're going out and throwing out ideas.

[00:25:12] That's not under the cone of creativity, man.

[00:25:16] Like you're in public now.

[00:25:18] You're saying some really wacky things or you're you're throwing these things onto staff.

[00:25:23] And they have no idea what your vision is for this idea.

[00:25:29] You just have this idea.

[00:25:30] You know, hey, how about we put chocolate milk in all the water fountains?

[00:25:33] Like, oh, OK, make it happen.

[00:25:37] Make it happen.

[00:25:38] Right.

[00:25:39] And then they can't because they don't know how to rework plumbing and how do you work the refrigeration?

[00:25:46] And like what happens to the milk that stays in the lines?

[00:25:49] If people aren't drinking it fast enough, what about all the diabetes?

[00:25:52] Right.

[00:25:53] Like all of these things have to be assessed.

[00:25:56] And when you just throw out ideas.

[00:26:00] You're you are creating problems for the staff that has to try to implement them.

[00:26:07] And it sounds like he is not an implementation guy.

[00:26:11] And he apparently requires everybody around him to be yes, people.

[00:26:15] That's what it seems like.

[00:26:19] But he says he's not arrogant.

[00:26:20] He says people think he's arrogant.

[00:26:23] They also apparently think like everybody thinks that he uses the word cracker all the time, but he doesn't.

[00:26:28] And he's not arrogant either.

[00:26:30] He's just confident.

[00:26:33] I think that I have.

[00:26:36] Held the standards to a higher standards, two words or one sentence.

[00:26:43] Overshadows 44 years of law enforcement experience.

[00:26:46] And people say, oh, hang on a second.

[00:26:47] That's the wrong clip.

[00:26:48] I played the wrong clip.

[00:26:49] Here we go.

[00:26:49] Yes, I have.

[00:26:51] I think that 44 years going into my 44th year into law enforcement.

[00:26:57] There are many pictures that have been painted of me, of who I am.

[00:27:02] Yes, I am fearless.

[00:27:04] Yes, I am bold.

[00:27:05] Yes, my attire is flashy.

[00:27:07] Yes, I speak with total confidence.

[00:27:10] And some people say arrogance will divide arrogance and confidence.

[00:27:14] People want a bold.

[00:27:16] Fearless leader.

[00:27:17] Oh, thank goodness you check both of those boxes and not the arrogant box either.

[00:27:24] Confidence, again, is the belief in your ability, a positive self-image, allowing individuals to then face challenges and collaborate with other people.

[00:27:35] By contrast, arrogance involves an inflated sense of self-importance.

[00:27:43] It often leads to a lack of humility.

[00:27:48] It also creates an unwillingness to accept feedback or acknowledge the value of crackers.

[00:27:55] I mean others.

[00:27:56] Sorry.

[00:27:57] To acknowledge the value of others.

[00:28:01] Right.

[00:28:01] So, dare I say, you might be moving back and forth between confidence and arrogance a wee bit more than you realize.

[00:28:10] But then again, arrogant people usually lack self-awareness.

[00:28:14] All right.

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