Sheriff Garry "Not My Fault" McFadden settles with gun groups (09-03-2024--Hour3)

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[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_00]: for your support. An update on a story that we've been covering over the last few years with our

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_00]: local sheriff here in Charlotte, Mecklenburg County Sheriff Garry Not My Fault McFadden,

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_00]: he has settled a lawsuit that had accused him of infringing on Americans' right to bear arms.

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a story at the Charlotte Observer by Julia Coyne. Seven plaintiffs, including

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Charlotte residents as well as national gun rights groups, claimed that Sheriff Not My Fault

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_00]: McFadden's requests for mental health records made him and his office unconstitutionally slow

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: in processing concealed carry permits. Concealed handgun permits, CHPs. The requests were

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_00]: irrelevant. The 2022 lawsuit claimed and McFadden took months, more months, sorry, took months

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_00]: to more than a year to do what takes other North Carolina sheriffs days or weeks. Right?

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I've talked about this many times over the last two years or so. It goes back to the pandemic

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_00]: when McFadden first got into office. One of the things he did, right, he shut down the

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_00]: handgun permits and stuff. He had the fiery but mostly peaceful summer of love and the protests

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and such. People were feeling not too safe. There were calls to get rid of law enforcement,

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and then people really didn't feel safe, right? So they wanted to go out and protect themselves,

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and then they wanted to make sure they did it legit. And so they, you know,

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: go through the process. You take a class, concealed handgun class, eight hour class or so.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to qualify basically with some target practice at the range, right? Then you got to

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_00]: go through a background check. And part of the background check is the screening through the

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_00]: mental institutions, mental health institutions in North Carolina to find out if you have

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_00]: any records of, you know, being committed or anything like that. So the idea here is that

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: they would catch you if you are a prohibited permit holder, a prohibited purchaser of a firearm.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You would not be able to get the license, the permit, because you would not be qualified

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: to purchase a firearm. So what Gary McFadden, when he first got in trouble with these same

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_00]: gun rights groups, and he lost that lawsuit, was that he was delaying. He was slow walking the whole

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_00]: thing. So he loses that one. Then he says, okay, okay, I'll totally, you know, follow the law,

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: basically. And he then starts this process whereby he takes all the applicants and submits them to

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_00]: the VA, even people that have never been in the service. So if I was not in the military,

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I would go and get a concealed handgun permit in Mechlamurg County, and I would submit the

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: paperwork, they would then take my application and they would run it through the Veterans

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Administration to find out if I've ever been in the VA, mental health facilities.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_00]: But I've never been in the service, so the VA would have no record of me. And far be it for me

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_00]: to suggest that a federal government agency might be a little bit slow in its paperwork processing,

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_00]: but the VA is slow, particularly when you are not a veteran. They focus their efforts on veterans.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So when your application comes across, they click, click, click, click, check their database,

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_00]: you're not in the database, you go to the bottom of the pile. Right? They're going to focus on the

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: stuff that they need to do for their actual clients, the veterans. So what essentially was

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_00]: occurring was this slow walking of the permitting process. And look, there isn't any other reason

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_00]: to do this, really, except just to stick it to gun owners. That's what this is. It's petty,

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's McFadden. It's just this pettiness. It's sand in the gears. I'm just going to make

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: it hard for you. This is why he gets his reputation as a woke sheriff, which he bristles at.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Wear it, man. Wear it. You've earned it. He was violating the Second Amendment, the plaintiff said.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: The state law says that the sheriff may conduct any investigation necessary to determine the

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: qualification or competency of the person applying for the permit, including record checks.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_00]: In a news release last week, the sheriff's office announced that McFadden had settled this

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: case and will continue to, quote, inquire of each applicant whether the applicant has sought mental

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: health treatment, which you are supposed to do. And this is what McFadden does also. He frames

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_00]: his arguments with these weasel words in order to mask the intention behind the process he employs.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still going to, you can't stop me from following the law and I am checking into the

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: backgrounds of all people, blah, blah, blah. Yes, you're supposed to be doing that, but when I

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: fill out the form and I say I'm not a veteran, there isn't any need to send it to the VA.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_00]: What he says then is, well, I can't be sure that you're not lying on that form.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to send it to the VA anyway. Rather than just asking the VA, hey, like,

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: this person have a record. Like wouldn't that be the most obvious step? You just say before I send

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_00]: over all the paperwork, how about I just give you a list of names, you run it through your

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_00]: database, say they're not a veteran, kick them out. No, no, no. I'm going to send everything

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_00]: over to them first and go through that screening process. You're wasting the VA's time, McFadden.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You are wasting the Veterans Administration officials, the bureaucrats. You're wasting their time

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: when they should be servicing their customers who are the veterans. If applicants have a background

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_00]: where they sought mental health, then the Sheriff's Office will require them to list

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: their provider. That is already the law. People are already required to do that.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And here's the thing. If you are worried about people lying on the application,

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: saying they weren't in the service in order to hide if they went to a mental health facility,

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: right? Are you prosecuting anybody who was lied? Are they getting off?

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_00]: If somebody lies on the application to get a concealed handgun permit,

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_00]: are you prosecuting them to the fullest extent of the law so as to send the message that people

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: should not be lying on these forms? Are you doing that? Are you charging them with gun crimes?

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Once the office reviews the quote relevant records, it has 45 days to issue or deny the permit.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what he was saying he was complying with. But he's not getting the record back

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_00]: from the VA for months. And then the 45 days starts running once they get it back.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how he's been slow walking this on concealed handgun purchase permits.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to have to pay any damages, but his office is going to have to pay five grand

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_00]: towards the legal fees for the plaintiffs. He said quote, he cannot control how long it

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: may take any given mental health provider to return the requested records. And he was talking

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: about the VA. But he doesn't say the VA, but that's what we're talking about because I've talked to

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: these organizations that have sued him. That's what we're talking about is the VA sending non-

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_00]: veterans into the VA system for background check purposes, wasting the VA's time, taxpayer resources

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and delaying the permit issuance that he has required to provide people.

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[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_00]: John. Welcome to the program. What's going on, man? Hey, Pete. How are you today? Good. What's up?

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm calling about our illustrious sheriff and the background checks that he has instituted.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a concealed carry permit holder and have been for over 10 years, but I still had to go

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_04]: through the background check process last year. And I noticed as I was going through

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_04]: the 15 odd pages that I had to fill out that one of the records that they have the right to

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_04]: choose or to pull as part of your background checks now are your vaccination records.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I don't know how that applies to whether or not you're qualified

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: to carry a concealed weapon, but that is on the application now. And that's not getting a lot

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: of talk. I have to renew my next year. So I guess I should probably start doing that now.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_04]: It will take a year. It took a year to get the renewal where it used to take about five

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_00]: or six weeks. So do you remember when you went about doing the renewal?

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_04]: You can apply. I think it's as early as 90 days before your renewal date.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean you. When did you go in for the... When did you submit for renewal?

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_04]: It was last year. Okay. It was around... Our renewal date was in May of last year,

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: so I think it was around March. So did you upload all your stuff into a system,

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_04]: into like a web-based system? Yeah. You had to download all the forms, fill them out,

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_04]: dan them back in, upload them through their website. And then for about six months,

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_04]: the status on them was still pending to be assigned. So they had... They did nothing on them

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_04]: for approximately six months. And then the status finally changed to in process,

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and it was in process for another three months. It took approximately nine months

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_04]: to get it renewed. So one of the things that they're checking is your vaccination records now.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So you'll see that when you go to apply. I'm sure they haven't changed it since then.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm looking... So I've got the website pulled up and they've got a notice here,

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and it says this why I asked you when you re-upped, because it says,

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Notice for all CHP renewal applicants. Effective March 1, 2024, all renewal

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_00]: applicants must come into the office prior to the expiration date on your permit

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_00]: to submit your application packet. If your permit expires prior to coming into the office,

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: you have 60 days to come into the office and will be required to be fingerprinted and pay an

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_00]: additional $15 cash. We are no longer accepting packets to be uploaded to the order tracker,

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: mail or buy fax. Your application will not be processed until you come into the office

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_04]: in person to complete the process. Wow. So that's a new change this year. So they're making it even

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: more odious, and I didn't even think that was possible. Right. Well, they had... So yeah,

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_00]: because they had built... They did the whole online thing. I don't know if that was done before

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_00]: COVID or not. I was up in Asheville at the time and they were great. Bunkham County was

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: perfectly good to work with while I was up there. And honestly, Mechler-Murr County

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: was fine when I got my original permit here. And that was... But that was under either Jim

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Pendograph or Chip Bailey. So it was not this kind of a process. And now, again, it's another

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_00]: example. You've got this infrastructure in place to take the online forms and do it all online.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And now you've just taken it all apart and making people come in again. So now they got to

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: take time off. It's like it's just... It's hassling, you know? He's just hassling people.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_04]: That's exactly what it is. Yeah, John, I appreciate it. There's no legitimate reason for it.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Well, I will check the vaccination part to see if that's in the form too. Because,

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_00]: again, it's just hassling people. That's all. I appreciate the call, John.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me go over here and talk to you. Pill? Or should that be Bill? Bill?

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Pill. Bill. Bill. Yes. That's short for William.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_00]: That's correct. Okay, welcome to the program, Bill. How are you?

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing well. Thank you. Good. What's going on?

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I live off in South Carolina and I'm retired now, but I used to have to travel for a living.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And when I was a younger man, I got my concealed weapon permit.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think they're valid for five years. Well, I wasn't paying attention to it and I let it expire.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And I kept saying, well, I'm going to go get it renewed one day, one day, when one day

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: will have to ten years and whatnot. But I was in the lower part of the state.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: State the same hotel every time. There was a gun shop right near it.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: He's always stopping there. He got another owner. He's a Vietnam vet. No legs, but he

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw, you know, his classes every Saturday. I told him what I had done and

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_02]: he's well, you got to still got your old license. I said, sure. That's it. There at the house. He

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: said, well, next time you're in town, bring it in here. I took it in there. He said,

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: you have $50 to throw away. I said, yeah, why? And he said, well,

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: they're so busy down there in Columbia. I think we can fill this thing out. I'm not

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: catching. They may not use loose $50. And I said, yeah, I'll get a cashier's check and he filled

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: everything out. I didn't take the course and told my wife and she said, well, you just threw away

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_02]: $50. Well, it wasn't a week and a half. Here came a new license with my new driver's license

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: face on it all up to date. Renew after 23 years. Good Lord.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So evidently, they're so busy in Columbia when they just see that you are renewing

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. and not applying it. They throw it into another batch. They're so busy.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And which makes sense because if you have, if you had gotten arrested,

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: then they would have taken the license. They would have taken the permit from you. So

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_00]: the fact that you were not, well, though, you should have gone through the mental health

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_02]: screenings, right? The, the, I should have had to go in. I should have had to take the

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: eight hour class. You got to take the eight hour class for renewal?

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. Used to. And I don't know about these new laws with, uh,

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: like, uh, the governor, you know, changing the open carry now for everybody. But, uh,

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: but know that you've got a concealed weapon permit and you let expire in South Carolina.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You got to take the whole course again. Well, right. So if you allow it to expire,

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: yes. So right, that's the, that's the key there. Yeah. So you, well,

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_00]: you pulled a fast one on Columbia bill. Good for you. I don't know. Uh, yeah,

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_00]: because they're so busy because yeah, this is from the Mechlemurg Sheriff's Office. If your

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_00]: concealed permit is expired and is within the 60 day grace period beyond the expiration date,

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_00]: you must obtain a new North Carolina safety training course certificate and pay the fees

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: as a new applicant. All fees are non-refundable. Your application will not be processed until

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: you come into the office in person to complete the process. So why is it called the 60 day

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_00]: grace period then? That doesn't sound like a grace period at all. There's, there,

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_00]: there isn't a grace. If you got to go back through the whole process,

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Bob, welcome to the program. Hey, Bob. Good afternoon. I have neuropathy to make things

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_03]: short. I had it for 20 years. It's progressive. Years ago I was given a drug that had a reaction

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_03]: on me called depression and ended up over the cycle for four days. A couple of days later,

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I went to renew my carry permit and I got turned down at the five months waiting. So I

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_03]: appealed it. Go to the judge and just says, did they take your license when you were,

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_03]: were you committed? I didn't know. Did they take your guns? I didn't know. He said, well,

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand this. Why would they not renew you then? That's why we're here

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and he renewed it. And this was Beckler County under the sheriff? Yep. Yeah.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean that sounds crazy this place. That place is. Yeah. You know, like I said,

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: nothing happened to me. We even brought proof from the medical stuff that some people do have

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_03]: a reaction to this drug. It's called gabapentin and the cause of depression, which is what my

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_03]: problem was. Soon after the drug, two weeks later I was fine. Right. You know, like I said,

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_03]: a drug reaction. Yeah. But it said they turned me down. And the judge was really just curious

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_03]: why they didn't do anything to me. You know, take the license, take the guns, anything.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I'd love to see somebody come down and replace him.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Well, look, I tried. I voted in the Democrat primary in everything last time. And

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Gina Hicks was his opponent, one of the opponents against him. I hope she runs again or somebody

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_00]: else runs against him in the Democrat primary to get him out of there. He's just awful.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're wishes. It's my command. All right, Bob. I appreciate the call, sir.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I did my part. I voted in a Democrat primary.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Greg says, I don't think Bill caught the unspoken hush-hush nature about his transaction with

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: the gunstore owner. I think we'd all be better off if Bill kept that anecdote to himself. Yes,

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Alan says McFadden's just a dirty cop always has been always walking the line.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think his politics, I think are antithetical to the job he has.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me see here. When I renewed my permit after letting it lapse, it took me 13 months to get

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: my permit due to McFadden slow walking in the process. This is the thing. Do not let it lapse.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the key. Do not ever let it expire. If you do, you got to go through the whole thing

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_00]: all over again in Mecklenburg County. This sheriff is hostile to concealed handgun permit holders,

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: which is ridiculous because they are the most law abiding population. We are the most law

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_00]: abiding population. Why? Because we want to keep our handgun permit. And we do anything wrong,

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_00]: we lose that permit. So I don't want to lose it. The criminals, they don't even get the permits

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: because they got criminal records. They can't get the permits. Focus on them, not my fault,

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_00]: McFadden. Focus on them. By the way, there's a reason I call them that. It's because anytime

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_00]: anything happens in the sheriff's office, in the jail, it's always not my fault.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're going to talk about why I can't ever testify, because he can't apparently,

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: right? You can't talk about the one bad thing I did. You can't talk about that bad stuff,

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_00]: unless you're going to talk about my whole record. You got to talk about every good

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_00]: thing I've ever done too, which is absolutely asinine. But that's what he said. Just asinine.

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[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_00]: but oh my God. Okay, so first off, as I said earlier, well, I didn't say this part. I have no

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[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: that does that. I don't book any of the advertisers that's just on them. Number two,

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_00]: we have to by law take the political ads required. Number three, the ads are paid for

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_00]: by Democrat donors. I am happy to take their money to advertise on this show.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a feeling it's not going to have an impact. Next up here is Jim. Hello, Jim, welcome to the

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: program. Hey, Pete. Hey. That was chilling what you did about asking Siri about the

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: presidential candidates. That's a boy that's chilling. Well, that was a, I was asking Alexa

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_00]: about that. I'm curious to see how Siri give the same answer. I don't know. We should check.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That yeah, boy is chilling though. You know, most powerful, richest company in the world's probably

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: ever seen Apple. Well, and Amazon too with Alexa and man alive. But anyway, talking about McFadden,

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_01]: just recently I've read about, and I wanted to know if you've been following the Democrat

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: sheriff in I think Wake County also some lawsuits flying back and forth about him getting rid of

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: a couple of deputy sheriffs. Have you been following or knowing anything about that story?

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I am aware of the story, but I don't know the details. Yeah, it got kind of convoluted when

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I tried to read about it, but boy, it's kind of interesting. But does the attorney general of

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: North Carolina have any direct sway over whether North Carolina sheriffs are either enforcing

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: the law or not? There would be, I mean, that would be an interesting fight. Remember,

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: sheriffs are the oldest elected office in America, right? So they are powerful positions. So I'm not

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_00]: sure how much control the North Carolina attorney general may have. But if we had an attorney general

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_00]: that was interested in picking a fight in order to make the sheriffs comply with the spirit,

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_00]: if not the letter of the law, then yeah, I think that might make some bit of a difference. I don't

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_01]: know. Well, in future lawsuits against these sheriffs, you talk about direct costs. I think

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: you mentioned something like a $5,000 cost that McFadden had already incurred. It would seem to

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: me that damages are to be involved in these lawsuits when it involves just basically

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_00]: disregarding totally a state law. Right. So it was a settlement, so he wasn't, there was no

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_00]: adjudication. It was a settlement agreement. He paid $5,000 for lawyers' fees, which didn't

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_01]: even cover the lawyer fees. Got you. Well, I gotta think the attorney general of North Carolina

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: would have some sway over this. I think he's the chief law enforcement officer of the state.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the Democrat that's been in there, of course, is not going to go after Democrat sheriffs.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think in both the cases of the deal going on in white, also a Democrat sheriff as well as

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: McFadden. You know, these guys, they are elected. Your rights and old tradition,

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: but how can they just jerk the law around like that and disregard the public? They're

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: on public citizens without personal damages being involved. I don't understand that.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would be a good question for the candidates running for North Carolina attorney general. Jim,

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate the call. You bet. I somehow doubt that Congressman Jeff Jackson, aka baby Jesus,

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: will be interested in going after any of the sheriffs for slow walking the concealed

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_00]: handgun permits. Got a message on Twitter. McFadden is terrible on this issue. I have a friend

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_00]: decorated veteran, retired police officer who has had permits all over the country, including

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Washington, D.C. and Los Angeles. It'll be a year in October and he is still waiting on his Mecklenburg

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_00]: permit. Tim Mateo says, I renewed my license last year after letting it expire during the

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_00]: pandemic. It took six weeks for the renewal due to my license expiring and it cost nothing.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and South Carolina no longer requires a training certificate if your license expires,

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_00]: nor do they charge for renewals. The law was changed in just the past couple of years, he says.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_00]: McFadden said that his office has to confirm that applicants don't lie. That's why they run

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: all of the applications through the VA, but you're not charging anybody for lying when

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: you catch them, are you? All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening.

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