School choice veto, a mini-budget, and AG's silence on ICE (08-11-2025--Hour3)

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This is about a school choice program that was part of the Big Beautiful bill, and the North Care one General Assembly says, Oh, yes, we would very much like to participate in this school choice program from the federal government. Josh Stein, however, not a fan, not a fan, vetoed it right, So tell us what is this well, what is the impact that this federal legislation would have on the school choice in North Carolina. Well, it's a federal tax credit and it would allow citizens to claim up to seventeen hundred dollars in tax credits for donations given to organizations that are scholarship granting for school choice programs like the Opportunity Scholarship program. So it wouldn't cost North Carolina anything to do this, and it seems like it would also stack with the Opportunity Scholarship program, so it would be sort of a double win for families who are struggling to afford private school or you know, to ease that burden. And Stein said that he doesn't want to do this right now. His VITA message was fairly long, but the second half of it says that he sees opportunities for the federal scholarship donation tax credit program to benefit North Carolina public school kids once the federal government issues sound guidance, I intend to option North Carolina in so he can invest in public school students that need the most in after school programs, tutoring, and other resources. Therefore, this bill is unnecessary and ibutoa okay, So there you have it. It says, I see the opportunities for the Federal Scholarship Donation tax. Credit to benefit the public school kids. Yeah, so is that because the tax credit and just reading through this thing you've got written, it says under the program, US citizens and residents can claim up to seventeen hundred dollars annually for cash contributions to scholarship granting organizations, which in turn fund scholarships for eligible K twelve students. So is like, I don't understand why this why he would see this as connected to public schools. It's not to be scholarship granting programs would be granting, would be giving out things like the Opportunity Scholarship program does so would they give out grants for private schools or you know, I think that homeschools actually might be able to take advantage of this. The guidance still hasn't come down on exactly how this is going to work, but overall, it is a tax credit program. So any organization that's that's deemed to be one of these scholarship granting organization organizations and SGO could participate in students from households with incomes up to three hundred percent of their area's medium gross income are eligible to participate. That means the average medium family income in North Carolina is somewhere around seven hundred seventy eight hundred. That would put the eligibility range for them approximately up to two hundred and twelve four hundred. So, you know, in the scholarship granting organization has to be a five to one C three. They have to have separate spaces and in separation of qualified contributions. I have to spend ninety percent of the income they get through this program on scholarships, prioritizing students who previously have received or siblings who did have a scholarship. So you know, it's this This is supposed to be for school choice. It's not public school, right. So why would he put that in that? It doesn't make any sense. Why would he? No, it doesn't. That's why I don't think he understands what the program really is, and there was some confusion there. I think that his veto was perhaps a little bit precipitous. It could have been maybe veto GPT. Maybe he had AI write it. Yeah, it could be yeah, I don't know. You know that only providing billions and tax giveaways the wealthy parents line that his predecessor used to use. So maybe he's just towing that line. I'm not sure. Well, I mean, maybe it's not just Josh Stein. I mean, surely there are other Democrats who may you know, want school choice, you know, for the children. Right, So when it went through the House and Senate, right, maybe a couple of Democrats came over to the Republicans on this. You know, I'd have to go back and look, but I think there there actually were a couple because they recognize that this is a federal text credit and that this wasn't this wouldn't. I don't know. Apt you need to read your You're gonna have to read your story here, because you've got House concurred with the Senate substitute by a vote of sixty nine to forty seven, no Democrats. The Senate had trouble with the House. I think the House was looked at it, but a little bit more closely. It says the Senate floor vote was thirty to nineteen and the House was sixty nine to forty seven, no Democrats voting in favor in either. Okay, well then yeah, there. So no Democrats. Yeah, it's not surprising given what we I mean, the last Democrat that was for school choice became a Republican. So well, Cecil wasn't Cecil Brockman. Didn't he come around on some school choice stuff at some point I don't remember. I'm not sure so much about him. By I know, Michael Ray prior to prior to he not maintaining his seat, he was definitely in favor of school choice. And you know, I'm looking at the two stories that we're going to talk about today, and ye had the Stein budget signature that one. Had, the Democratic that had the right, that had enough right that had because that was what they call a mini budget. It's sort of it's a continuation budget basically. And remember a few years ago there were all this all these concerns about, oh my gosh, they haven't done a budget yet, what's going to happen? And so they they had this law that says, well, if we don't pass a new budget, we just continue on with the current budget. And so over the years, especially when they were fighting. With Roy Cooper over school choice and Medicaid expansion stuff, they would do these little mini budgets and so that yeah, yeah, so we've got a mini budget that passed. Uh, so that's going to give the Republican leadership some more breathing room to craft a budget for final approval in the next Well. Yeah, and that's been par for the course for the last I don't know since I can remember, and in fact that Democrats did the same thing when they were in power. Yeah, they didn't deliver their budget as of June thirtieth half the time either, So I mean it is what it is, and majority of the important provisions and they're always retroactive back to you know, July one, right, So. I've never undergo there, yea. And I've never understood like these Democrats that are making a big deal better, they need to go to get pass a budget and they need to go back to work and focus on things that matter. Like people don't care about this. They like a budget will get passed. Now, if no budget gets passed and we were running deficits like at the national level, well even then people don't care. We keep putting people back in office that that keeps spending and not doing budgets either. So I don't know if the American public actually cares if we have a budget or not. So it's never an issue that moves the needle, I think, on for the for the voters, unless you've got crazy spending that you can you know, like earmarks and stuff like that that you can point to. Now you mentioned Michael Ray, I mentioned Cecil Brockwell, Cecil Brockman. And there's another one, Kirk Devier or de vere I don't know how he pronounces it. But these guys were targeted by Roy Cooper, my good friend Ray, who would get primary challenges against them because they would cross him on vetos and on other legislation. And so we were kind of wondering, after Roy rode off into the sunset to then promptly ride back into the sun rise and run for US Senate, who's going to take up this mantle of targeting their fellow Democrats. And so you got a piece at your sub stack. More to the story, it apparently is going to be the Democrat party chair. It seems like, well yeah. In an interview with CBS seventeen, she pretty much laid out that folks who need to know who they're voting for, and that if you know, they're not going to vote along the lines that they're supposed to do along with other Democrats that that maybe there should be a primary challenge, and that was echoed by seni an oral leader Sydney Batch in the same story, the CBS seventeen story. So she said that the bills that they overrode made us less safe and that is on them. And if they want to put their head on the pillow tonight and say that that's what they decided to do for whatever reason they voted for that, that is literally a consequence they'll have to deal with if they get a primary it. I mean, yes, And they're talking about Carla Cunningham from Mecklenburg County And I've been covering this. Actually had last week, I want to say, maybe two weeks ago. I had Senator tedros On and he said the same thing about he's a Democrat from Mecklenburg, and he said the same thing, that this was dangerous and divisive rhetoric because she said all cultures are not equal. And he said that's dangerous and divisive, And so I asked him are they all equal? Do you disagree or or like? Are they all equal? Make your case? And then he said, well, it's the context of the bill that we were debating and he danced and danced around it and whatever. I highly recommend go back and listen to it. It's like a it did not go well for him. Okay, it's a John Jills. She made some very clear points, though, I thought, So, she can't go to another country and demand they speak her language, right, you know, or you know that you know, she goes to their country and demands all kinds of benefits and you know, lives on the tax paradigm over there, whether or not they're committing crimes or not. And I think that the crime aspect to the bill that she was talking about, the immigration bill that tightened up loopholes with ICE and cooperating with Ice and different penalties for different crimes. I think that you know, she was she was looking at this as you know, this is common sense law and order stuff that we should be doing. This shouldn't be a bipartisan thing. And she refused back down to her credit, right so. And they even tried to silence her when she was making her statement from the floor. Her colleague dead Butler tried to tried to cut off all the debate. You had people in the gallery that started coughing, really loudly to interrupt her. It's like they're just trying to shut her down and silence her because she was this dissenting voice. And the other thing she talked about was sort of coalition politics and the Democrat Party. You know, you got all these you know, they you know, people in these different groups identity politics. And what she also articulated was this belief that hey, wait a minute, my group, my identifiable group, is being supplanted by a different group, and I don't like it very much, and you shouldn't be telling me to step aside for this other identity group. And it laid bare like, yeah, this is what you get when you build your political party around identity politics rather than an idea. And I think that was also pretty uncomfortable for the Democrats too. Yeah, I think so too. There was some news over the weekend from North State Journal involving our publisher. I don't know if he happened to Yeah, go. Ahead, yeah, Neil Robbins, right. Yes, our publisher, Neil Robbins has been tapped by the Trump administration to be an underset mature at the US Departments of Agriculture, so he will be transitioning to that and other folks within our organization will be stepping into his place as as title of publisher. You is it you? He's not taking me with him? No? No, are you going to be the publisher? No? Oh okay, oh gosh, no go yeah no. I'd rather stick a poker in my eye than deal with the logistics of what that job entails. All right, Well, give our best to Neil. We appreciate all the work that he has done over there, and we appreciate you spending time with us in the work you do at the North State Journal. AP appreciate it absolutely. Thanks so much for having me. Absolutely. That's AP Dylan. You can read her work at the North State Journal NSJ online dot com and also at her Substack newsletter. More to the story, you know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. 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They are your life told through the eyes of everyone around you and all who came before you, and they will tell others to come who you are. Visit creative video dot com. So, speaking of the immigration issue and the North Carolina General Assembly override of the governor's veto that will now force law enforcement agencies to fully cooperate with ICE. When they have somebody that's in the jail that is bailing out and they are an illegal alien, they get a detainer placed on them, and now they have to contact ICE and let ICE know this guy's getting ready to leave, and ICE can say hold on to them for like forty eight hours. What's interesting in all of this? And I hadn't even considered it until I read this story by Ryan Orley over at the Charlotte Observer. Where's Baby Jesus on this aka Jeff Jackson, the Attorney General of North Carolina. I did not give him that nickname. That was not me. Okay. If I'd given him the nickname, it wouldn't have stuck, okay, because I apparently, like, I've been working on getting the word votainer adopted universally, and I can't get that done. So you know, I couldn't get a nickname done. So No, this was a nickname that was given to him by his fellow Democrats, unnamed, of course, in order to speak freely off the record or anonymously, I should say. But Jeff Jackson, former state lawmaker, then was going to run for US Senate, but then was like, no, I'll step out of the way for a black woman, Sherry Beasley, And then he went ran for Congress. He got that seat after they drew the map so he could win it, and then they redrew the maps and then he lost it. And then he ran for Attorney general and he beat Dan Bishop in that race last year. But Ryan Orley at the Charlotte Observer reached out and asked the Attorney General for his thoughts on the bill, and his spokesperson Ben Conroy said in an email quote, we don't have anything for you on this. Okay, then, so the top law enforcement officer has right like the Attorney general has no thought whatsoever about the state law that Josh Stein vetoed the General Assembly overrode. He has no thoughts whatsoever about the the Ice bill, the Ice Cooperation Bill. I mean, okay, I mean that is I guess, you know, one way to go. Of course, if people already believe that you are the Messiah, then you really don't have to do a whole lot, say a bunch of stuff, you know, especially when you're real young. So hence the nickname. Okay. Also, this obviously ties into our illustrious, often frustrated Sheriff of Mecklenburg County, Gary not my fault McFadden who And I even asked the Speaker of the House last week. I asked him during that interview that we did with him, if he could name the law Gary's Law. It's a little too late, though, but that's what I'm It will always be known as Gary's Law to me, okay, because Gary has made Sheriff. Macfadden has made at a point to find every single loophole that he can find, and honestly, he's not finding them. These are people, these are activist organizations that are you know, giving him legal guidance and saying here's a way around it, and here's what you say about it. And he has been playing this game of you know, whack a mole basically with the General Assembly, trying to you know, trying to knock it down, and he keeps popping out in different spots. I found a loophole here, then they close that one, as oh, I found a one over here. And so he's running for reelection next year, not this year, next year. But people are already lining up to run against him. And this is not good. Okay, this is. This is not fantastic because the more people you get that are running in the Democrat primary, the more you're going to splinter the vote. Now we've got retired Chief Deputy Rodney Collins. He's spent thirty years with the Mecklinberg County Sheriff's Office. He is now the third candidate to enter the ring for the seat currently held by McFadden. You got CMPD sergeant Ricky Robbins and former Mecklimber County Detention officer On Twain Nance also running. Now what's interesting is why does Gary get so many former Sheriff's office employees to run against him? That's kind of weird. Hey, what love of that? Huh? So many former deputies? But see the problem is you're gonna have so many of them, are gonna splinter the anti Gary vote, and then he's gonna end up winning again. You guys should probably consolidate around a candidate, a single challenger. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Ashville is your connection. Whether you or celebrating an anniversary, a honeymoon, maybe you want to plan a memorable proposal, or get family and friends together for a big old reunion. 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So mentioned before the break there that we've got now three candidates that have thrown their name in the hat and then the hat into the ring. I never know which one of those to use, so I just used them both. You know, he can't be too sure. So we got retired Chief Deputy Rodney Collins, who has launched a campaign to unseat the incumbent Gary Not my fault McFadden in the Democrat primary. If McFadden runs again, let's hold out the hope that he. Doesn't run again. Maybe he does the right thing here and just says, you know what, I'm going to step aside. My tenure has not been the necessarily the best thing for the community, you know, and so I'm going. To step aside. I'm just kidding me. He's not going to do that. There's no way he's going to do that. So Collins, thirty year veteran of the Sheriff's office. You've got CMPD Sergeant Ricky Robbins, and you've got former Mecklenburg County Detention officer On Twain Nance or Antoine. It's spelled Twain like Mark Twain, but an Twain and twain Nance anyway. So those three are running in again. My concern is that they're gonna splinter the anti McFadden vote, much like what happened in the last election cycle in the Democrat primary, which then also makes me wonder or any of these candidates running in order to help Gary McFadden, right, they don't, like, they know they're not going to win, but they're there to make sure that they splinter anti McFadden votes, I don't know, and I'm not accusing anybody. I don't have any information. It's just it raises the possibility that that could be occurring. You never know. Speaking of mcphah, we've had. Another jail death. Another inmate has died after being found unresponsive at the jail in Mecklenburg County. This was last week, thirty eight year old man. He had been housed at the jail since twenty twenty three, so he has he had not been able to get out for whatever reason, couldn't bond out or something. They reported. At around noon, the inmate was found on responsive. Medical staff immediately were notified began life saving measures. About forty minutes later, he was pronounced dead. Sheriff McFadden put out a statement and said Mecklumberg County Sheriff's Office is devastated to announce the death of a resident because that's what he calls inmates. He calls them residents who was in our custody and care. We extend our deepest sympathies to his family and loved ones during this difficult time. So we don't really know what caused the guy's death. At least according to this WBTV report. Now, there was another report over at Queen City News that McFadden apparently learned of this death from local pastors after a meeting with them about concerns in the Latino community or latinx Latinic community whatever, like he so he was indeed, so his staff did not make him aware that there was another resident death at his jail. See, this is what gets him frustrated, he has said in the past, this is the kind of thing that gets him super frustrated, and then he has to use the racial slurs against his command staff. So you guys, you got to come in now, because you didn't tell him about this. He had to learn from it from a bunch of pastors that he was meeting with that were like, I guess, hey, so what happened this death. I'm assuming maybe the person who died, the inmate was Hispanic, I guess. And that's why the pastors knew about the death, because somebody in one of their congregations told them, and then they asked McFadden about it, and that's when he learned about it. And yeah, that's kind of embarrassing. That is two deaths so far this year. There were zero in twenty twenty four. The state was paying a lot of attention to their operations at the time. So McFadden, so far from twenty nineteen through the present, so six years, he has had now a total of twenty deaths in the jail, which is a little over three per year, right, about a little bit more than three per year, three deaths per year on average. His predecessor, Erwin Carmichael, in his four year term he averaged two deaths per year. He had eight death on his watch. Chip Bailey had eight deaths on his watch similar amount of time. So McFadden is obviously pacing higher than his predecessors, even though he will claim that this is what that's right, not his fault, not none of this is his fault. It's COVID, it's fentanyl. It's the lack of a rap studio or recording studio in the jail, which he has thankfully now corrected. We now have a recording studio at the jail, So maybe this will drive down the death count there. We'll see. I don't know. City of Charlotte's going to be paying up to three hundred dollars an hour for investigative services from an outside attorney. That's according to an agreement that was signed by a city representative earlier. Well, this would have been in July. This is the story from Nicholas Sullivan, I believe over at the Charlotte Observer. The hire follows statements from Councilwoman Victoria Watlington that accused the city of unethical behavior, but the agreement with the investigative service did not refer to Watlington's comments or provide an explanation for the services. Patrick Flanagan, an attorney with the Cranfill Sumner Law firm, will conduct the investigation for a maximum of twenty five thousand dollars. Feel good about that taxpayer expense. I'm going to go out on. A limbit and make a prediction. I don't really like to do these sorts of things, but I'm going to say everybody gets cleared. They will find no wrongdoing by anybody, but will urge them to engage in a more civil way. That's what I'm thinking happens. The cost does not include additional out of pocket expenses. Ooh, so we could pay more such as filing or recording fees, court fees and research services that will be built to the City. WFAE reported that Flanagan, we'll interview council members about Watlington's criticisms, which stemmed from her frustration over how the city handled that separation agreement with the police chief Johnny Jennings. Council voted in closed session to pay Jennings over three hundred thousand dollars back in May because he was threatening to sue the city because council member Tark Bakari wanted vests outer carry vests for rank and file cops. Chief said, no, they don't look nice, they look militarized, they look scary, and so we don't want those. Bakari said, I'm going to wage a pr campaign against you and it's going to tarnish your legacy and this isn't personal, and Jennings said, basically, you know, bring it on. And then Jennings eventually caved and got his feelings hurt and then threatened to sue on what grounds there was a claim of some sort of defamation, but he never actually filed a lawsuit. Instead, he just said I'm going to file a lawsuit and this Charlotte City Council then cave to him and said, here's a bunch of money, take it early, and then he's retiring. Now, there was a closed session vote on this. There are minutes taken of what is discussed and closed session, and at some point the minutes of those closed session meetings are eligible to be released to the public. But not these all. Right, if you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. 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So the City of Charlotte has declined to release the minutes or the transcript, if you will, the notes that are taken from the closed session two closed door meetings actually back in May, where city council members discussed and approved a controversial three hundred five thousand dollars settlement to Charlotte Mecklaburg police Chief Johnny Jennings, even though the details of the settlement are already public. This is a piece over at the Charlotte Ledger Charlotte Ledger dot substack dot com. The piece is written by Michelle Crouch, who used to cover city council a long time ago. She was one of the Charlotte Observer reporters when I was a WBT reporter when we covered the city council together. Tony Messia also contributed to this piece. Under North Carolina law, minutes from closed sessions are public records unless releasing them would frustrate the purpose of the closed session. However, the city believes that does not apply in this case. Instead, the city cited laws protecting personnel records. But again po. Least Chief Johnny Jennings already released the terms of the agreement, and what you would learn in the minutes of the closed door meetings. You would learn the different things that the city council members were saying. You would hear their discussion. You would be able to read their discussion. You would be able to see who entered the meeting at what time because there's a record kept of that. But you would also see who left the meeting and at what time and what votes were taken. See, that's what I suspect they don't want people to see, because that's the rub. The agreement was approved after a city council member left and her vote was recorded as a yes, which is the rule, and that's always been the rule. People were outraged when they read this story and they were not aware of this rule, and they were like, well, that's going on here, that's corruption. They're like, that's always been the rule. If you show up in the meeting and then you leave, that's called that's an unexcused absence. And then you have every vote after you leave count as a yes. They're all affirmative votes, and they do that in order to avoid the very thing that we're seeing in Texas right now, right with the coorum breaking. So you don't get to show up, take a vote that you want to take, and then avoid hard votes later on in the agenda. So you don't get to abstain. You got to say yes or no, unless you recuse yourself for some conflict or whatever. But that's it. So the city denied a public records request that was made by the Charlotte Ledger. The payout to Jennings stems from the messages sent by former council member Tark Bookari that Jennings said, we're bullying and inappropriate. He also said it was defamatory somehow. But I don't know how it would be defamatory if nobody saw the text messages except you and Tark like, that doesn't make any sense. Jennings never did follow that lawsuit before the council approved the settlement of the phantom threatened lawsuit. After weeks of public pressure, Jennings announced his retirement and the terms of his settlement. As part of an interview with journalist Michael Graff for the Charlotte Optimist newsletter, which he publishes. The city has declined to release other related records, including communications between Jennings and the city related to the settlement, records that were requested by the Charlotte Observer. Yeah, so that's the Uh Yeah, I don't know. I think somebody's gonna have to freaking sue them to get that stuff. Credit where it is due, albeit a bit late, I'm sorry to say, but the editorial board at Charlotte Observer back in June, and I have had this in my stack of prep for a while, but it's evergreen because I wanted to give them credit headlines. Charlotte leaders are moving on from the Jennings settlement, but not so fast. After weeks of secrecy, city leaders have finally provided some answers about the settlement because Jennings released it. The city seems to think that providing these details itself is enough, but those answers have only sparked more questions, and much about the situation remains unknown. How did the city decide on this agreement and why? That is a key question. They are right to raise it. The editorial board is right to raise it now. I don't know if they're doing any kind of investigative work to get the answers to these questions. What laws does Jennings allege were violated? Another good question? If he threatened legal action against the city, what did that litigation look like? Would he have had legitimate grounds to sue the first place? And if not, why was a settlement recommended? The board says some transparency is better than none, but the city still has an obligation to provide a more complete explanation of what transpired. They're exactly right. While the agreement may indeed have just been a straightforward separation agreement, the public cannot be expected to know that if it doesn't understand why it happened, or if it feels like something is still being hidden, the suspicion and mistrust could have been avoided if city leaders had been transparent from the start. They're exactly right. They're exactly right. Now, you want us to trust you that this is all the information that can be reported out with We don't believe you. We don't believe you because you refuse to talk about this for so long, and you know people had to just beat you up in order to get this even confirmed. So no, yeah, you need to answer a whole bunch more questions. We'll see if it happens. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. 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