Robinson's multiple admissions of guilt come into court | Hour 2

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It as a video of an interview that was conducted by law enforcement with Lance Twiggs, the lover slash roommate of Tyler Robinson, and saw this hmm, yeah, here. It is from Will Chamberlain of the Article three project. He said, it's not surprising that the judge is not going to let the entire Twigs interview video be shown to the gallery slash public. The video of Twiggs's interview is quite unlikely to be admitted at trial. When the prosecution wants Twiggs's testimony admitted and to evidence, it'll have to put him on the stand. It's only admissible now because this is a preliminary hearing where guilt is not being decided. Right. Again, probable cause hearing, not a trial. Jury is no in here. This is just to determine whether there is probable cause based on the evidence presented by the state, that a trial is warranted. The judge has to ensure that the jury bases its decision when they do go to trial, right, The judge has to make has to be sure that the jury at that point bases its decision only on the admissible evidence presented at trial. So for exhibits that he is confident will be admitted at trial, it's not a big deal if the public, including the potential jury pool, sees it. Right, So the judge is what Will is saying is that the judge is like keeping this in mind that even if potential jurors see what comes out of this preliminary hearing, they're going to see it any way at trial, So it's not going to it's not going to taint them one way or the other because they would have seen it either way. But for inadmissible evidence at trial. The judge is not going to want to create any issues for a potential appeal, right, So that's why he has redacted big chunks of various videos here not to be played in court. All right, So yeah, Tuesday, day two, we got the video of video of Tyler Robinson coming onto campus, driving onto campus, parking the car, walking through the parking deck. Then then there's a return visit where he's walking on foot. Then there's another visit where he is now dressed in long long shirt, long pants, walking with the limp. You can see him walk up the stairs very oddly because he's putting his left foot on one step and then lifting his straight right leg up the second step or up to the up to that same step because he can't bend at the knee because he's got the rifle down his He's wearing a ball cap he's got sunglasses, and there were like three different students that pass him in the stairwell and he looks down so they can't see his face. Every single one that passes him, he turns his head down in a way so they can't see his face. He gets up onto the top of the building, which like, like that's that is a pretty important question, like why would you have a stairwell that goes to the roof that then allows you to just hop over a handrail because that's all that separated the two buildings. You know, it said no trespassing and it was just a metal handrail, and you can see him sort of roll over the handrail, lay down on the ground. He's there for about what the officer said was about thirty seconds. Shot goes off and then you can see the person, now without a limp, run across the top of the building, go to the other side. With a long item wrapped in a. Towel that's kind of fluttering around, and you can see him drop down off the building and run into the woods. He then comes back to the campus late that night. Remember when everybody first thought that they had caught the guy, because. That crazy moon bat was like I did it. I did it. Remember, got arrested and everybody thought we got him, but we didn't. And Robinson goes back onto campus and according to the text messages that he had sent to Lance Twiggs, his lover slash roommate, he said he was going back to retrieve the gun because he had stashed it in the woods. But he's not able to. Gain access to the area because you can see as he pulled. The video shows as he pulls onto he's at an intersection and he's going to make a right hand turn and you can see the cars kind of like already like halfway into the turn, and he stopped at a red light and there's a cop car on the street that he's getting ready to turn onto. And when the light turns green, he abandons the turn and goes straight. Cops do recover the gun. They then put out images of the gun. They put out images of the guy in the stairwell, his mom, I d's him, his grand or his father, I d's the gun says that looks like grandpa's gun. So all of that was was shown. All of that, that chronology of the video was all shown. And those are just the video clips that the state introduced at this point. If it goes to trial, then I'm sure there's going to be a lot more video that's available too. In a fourth video already did that part, and then there was there's another piece of evidence that was not published. It was a. Basically an affidavit that was written by any Point us A board member, pastor David Engelhardt, a friend of Charlie Kirk's, and he wrote testimony that detailed the political and religious beliefs and motivations of tp USA and Charlie Kirk, including beliefs about transgender ideology, and that was submitted, but it wasn't published, so the public doesn't know what the contents of this, of what this written testimony is. But the belief is that this is being used for the enhancement, which is to say, like when you are if you can prove that I'm charged with murder, okay, but then you can get like aggravating or mitigating circumstances. And so if you want to you know, elevate the murder to a death penalty type of sentence whatever, then you enter evidence that shows there was a particular motivation behind it. Religious. Yeah, I mean in this case it would be like a political or religious belief right, and that's why Charlie Kirk was targeted. That would enhance the sentencing, and so it's believed that that's what that was about. And then there was the DNA evidence that was present or the DNA experts that they had tested. The towel that was wrapped around the gun which you can see fluttering in the video when he jumps down. Off the roof. They tested that, and then there was also a screwdriver. They tested that for DNA as well, and the towel had two DNA on it. Now, they originally when they started testing it, and this is what everybody in conspiracy land is saying, Oh, there were three people. Well, when they first tested the towel and the screwdriver, they said this could potentially be three people. But then they got the DNA swab from Lance Twig And when they got that DNA swab, that eliminated the potential for a third person. And now you've got the matches of Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson on both the screwdriver and the towel, both found in the woods outside of the building. Right. The towel aligned five percent with Twigs and ninety five percent with Robinson. There were people that were confused because the defense attorney purposefully left it confusing during their cross examination of this expert witness to try to make it seem like it was reversed. But it was not, because when the state came back up and said, just for clarification, what was the percentage breakdowns, and she spelled it out. Five percent for twigs, ninety five percent for Robinson on the towel, on the screwdriver eleven percent twigs, eighty nine percent Robinson. And that's it. That's the DNA that was on both of those items. All right. For over a year now, you've heard me talking about Create a Video. 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This is just do they have enough evidence to proceed to a trial in the murder of Charlie Kirk Tyler Robinson's trial. They've got a video interview that the DA or the state prosecutor conducted with Lance Twigs. I'm going to take a risk here. I don't know if there's any cussing. I'm hoping there's not. He just talked about how he was asked or he asked Robinson about ingreeving the. Bullets he left. I want to bring this up, and I should say that these text messages that we've been looking at here are bates number fifty four. Okay. The notes. Have been titled six team point three with a note and this is base number fifty eight. Do you recognize that on the screen there? Yeah? Yeah? What do you recognize it as? That was the note under his keyboard that he was referring to in the first text of that chain. And so where did you find. This on his desk underneath his key like computer keyboard? And what I assume you read it yeah, and then what did you do with it after you read it? I believe I just put it backed out on the desk after I took a picture of. It, okay. And again, the time you read it was probably around eleven o'clock or so on the tent, yes, the night of September tenth. All right, And did you ever see that again after you placed it back on his desk? No, I don't think I did. And that was a desk in his bedroom, yes, And that's a separate bedroom in your bedroom. Yeah. And I want to go to what's been titled sixteen point two? And do you recognize this series of messages here? The screen is black, so they're not showing me. Yeah, that was the server like his friend that I was mentioning. Okay, and this is your phone again. Yeah, all right, So I'm gonna stop there because I'm gonna or just mute it. So they're obviously building sort of a chain of custody, evidentiary chain of custody. And they're saying, here's the note where he admits guilt. Here's the text messages that he sent to Lance Twiggs saying look for the note under I keyboard. Here's the note this is what it says, and then here and then the group chat message where he admits that he did it. Sorry guys, it had to be done. You know, I did it and all of this. But they're not showing the the the images of the text messages or anything else. They've blacked out the screen. You're just hearing the audio. So this interview with Twigs, that was Lance Twigs. You heard there with a very very deep voice. I'm not going to say anything about that, all right. So this is from Breckinthee's at the Federalist dot Com talking about what happened at yesterday's hearing. A crucial piece of evidence in direct contrast to some theories online questioning Robinson's involvement, is that Robinson turned himself into Washington County law enforcement at around nine pm on September eleventh, the day after Charlie Kirk was shot. He was there with his parents and all were interviewed by the authorities. Brian Davis an agent with the Utah State Bureau of Investigation twenty seven years in law enforcement, eighteen years at the Utah SBI. He was assigned to be a case agent on this case. He was called into the Sheriff's department after being notified that Robinson wanted to turn himself in. Robinson turned himself in, accompanied by his parents and a family friend around nine pm. Davis arrived at the department around eleven thirty. Robinson's parents were interviewed separately, but at the same time, they broke him apart and did interviews separately with the parents. Robinson was officially detained on September twelfth. At about four am. Judge Tony Graff allowed a short video of Robinson being held to be played for media cameras in the court because there is this conspiracy theory out there that he never actually turned himself in. There's no video of that, and there actually is. While that video was not much of an issue, a separate video of an interview with Twigs took up the rest of the hearing yesterday. And that's what they were fighting over, the redactions, what to include, what not to include, And they sorted all of that stuff out about two hours ago. And now, as you heard, they're playing the portions of the videos that all of the parties agreed to allow to be played. And again this is just to build the record to say there is enough evidence for probable cause to proceed to trial. I've been monitoring the probable cause preliminary hearing out in Utah. In the murder of Charlie Kirk. Defendant Tyler Robinson, his roommate slash lover named Lance Twiggs, gave two different interviews to law enforcement. They were recorded. They haggled for the better part of yesterday and then into this morning in court over how much and which portion would be played, whether they would be published for the public to see. They narrowed it down, they did some editing, and so they've been playing portions of the video and portions that just got played. Twiggs admitted or sorry, Twigs says that you know, the messages that are part of the evidentiary record from discord, from the text messages and then the personal note, all of those things like were they were messages and written by Tyler Robinson And then when he came home that night, the night of the tenth when Charlie Kirk was murdered, Robinson goes home and they're talk and they're talking the next day, I think it was and I said, did you really was that true what you said last night in those text messages? Is all that true? And he says Robinson said, yes, it is true, and he said he cried a little bit, said he wished he hadn't ha done it, and he was acting erratically kind of just like keeping himself busy, you know. But he said, like the cops are probably going to be here soon and whatever, and so Twigs want to just get out of there, and Robinson said that he may turn himself in and go talk to his parents. He was then shown pictures from the surveillance cameras from the parking deck and Twiggs says, yeah, like there were like six photos or screenshots from the surveillance cameras, and he said, of the six, he was like, yeah, those bottom two that's him. Those it looks like him. He says he never heard Robinson talk about Charlie Kirk specifically. Twigg says he didn't really follow politics. He didn't really talk about politics or lgbt q i A. Issues or anything like that. It was and when he heard Robinson talk about stuff, it was mainly stuff he had heard on the radio when he was in the work truck because he was apparently an electrician apprentice or something, and so when the crew would be going to a job site. They'd have the radio on and so he would hear this stuff, and mainly Robinson would would be talking about Trump. So that's what they've been. That's what has come out so far from this video that I've been able to see. Let me go over to the text line here, Dana, evidently you haven't listened to the pre trial. No, I haven't caught any of it, Dana, not one second. I've not been paying any attention to the pre trial hearing at all. It's yeah, you got me. It's not so cut and dry. Again, that's our society. We are saying guilty to proven innocent instead of the other way around. No. See again, this is a probable cause hearing. And what I have said repeatedly is that all the evidence points in one direction. When you look at the entire body of evidence, it all points in one direction, notably the four admissions, the confessions. It's pretty big piece of evidence. You have somebody saying they did it, not once, not twice, not three times, not four times. Actually there were five different times when Tyler Robinson said he did it. That's pretty that's pretty compelling. Add in the video. Add in the DNA, add in the vehicle, add in the weapon that was his family's weapon. Again, either the most unluckiest guy that it's ever walked the face of the earth, or he did it. And here's the thing. I'm not on the jury. I can't be seated on that jury. I don't live in Utah. I can tell you what I've think the evidence points to. I think it's pretty overwhelming. In the courtroom, he does have the presumption of innocence. We are not in the courtroom. I'm not in the courtroom, Dana. You're not in the courtroom either. You can presume him to be innocent until a guilty verdict is issued. That's fine. Dana then says in another follow up text, let's not forget the OJ trial. We all thought that he was going to be found guilty, but when the evidence came out, he was exonerated. Okay. Not how court works. You don't get exonerated. You are either found guilty or not guilty. Exonerated is not one of the options. And what we have learned in the years after the OJ trial through interviews with the jurors, was that they decided that case not based on the evidence. They decided that they basically participated in a jury nullification because this was their opportunity to stick it to the LAPD. Anyway, Susie says, uh, oh wait, that's all right, hang on a second. Mm hmmmm, eight oh three number. It's actually funny. It's like all you have heard is the FBI and prosecution side of the case, and you take it as absolute fact. No, I'm taking the confessions like that's a really big part of it. For me. Whenever you have somebody who confesses to doing the murder four or five times before they're even were three times before they're arrested, and then another two times after they're arrested, Like that's that's a pretty big deal. To get one confession. That's a Usually that's that's enough. Four or five that's I mean, I don't want to say air type. I mean, at some point it becomes overwhelming. That's not taking the FBI's word for it. That's taking Tyler Robinson's word for it. A three number anonymous at three York number. Never mind, you haven't even heard the defense and all of the massive amount of evidence calling into question the many wrong things and inconsistencies in the case. You just blow off as conspiracy theories. No, I blow off as conspiracy theories. The conspiracy theories those are the ones, like, for example, the tunnels right, the tunnels that no student or janitor or building inspector has ever seen. An assassin trained by a French foreign legion, activated over a donor meeting right fired a shot from below the stage, while a completely different shooter fired from a rooftop, both of them working for Israel, which was disguised as Egypt, whose airplanes had spent years tailing a woman whose flight law show she was in a hospital having contractions at the time, all to protect a four nations sex trafficking cartel jointly administered by governments that cannot jointly administer a customs form, a cartel that was about to be exposed by a campus tour podcaster who had just survived a Hampton's intervention so threatening that he texted the man pleasantries afterwards, and whose top donors were in that very moment silently prying their names off buildings in a coordinated forty eight hour financial exodus witnessed by absolutely nobody except the anonymous sources who only ever call one phone number in Nashville that goes to candas Owens while his own bodyguards slipped out of a classified meeting at a military base he's never visited in a state he wasn't in on a day his travel records put him actually in Dallas and his wife, who would later spend four and a half hours voluntarily answering questions with phone records and a lawyer, thereby proving beyond all doubt that she's obviously hiding something they were prepared to inherit an empire with help from ancient Sumerian time bending technology, all of its staged as advanced marketing for a war in Iran that would not exist for another five months, a plot so vast and so flawless and so multinational that the only thing it couldn't manage was out smarting the one podcaster who cracked the whole thing wide open. Between ad reads for gold Ivermectin Skincream and tax debt relief. And if you find yourself asking about the twenty two year old in custody whose own text messages describe the shooting, please don't be naive. The evidence presented is fake and gay, and tomorrow's episode will prove it, and there's no disproving what tomorrow's episode will prove. That's what I'm criticizing. Those are the conspiracy theories eight oh three number. Like. You can boot lick Candae Sowans all you want, and you can accuse me of taking the government's side in all of this, But here's the deal. When the government is prosecuting a murder case, there are rules of evidence. These rules have been developed over centuries, literally by thousands of judges in hundreds or thousands of cases, right, and the rules of evidence are absolutely shredding these conspiracy theories. So I understand why this is a very difficult time period for a lot of people that have been engaged in this grotesque form of entertainment. But when it comes to the rules of evidence in the courtroom, that's. What I look at. And maybe you. Don't trust any institution now because they lied to me about COVID, So I'm not gonna believe anybody except Candice Owens. You're that's totally your prerogative. I think you're stupid if you do that, but you are totally free to do that. It's America, by the way, the uh. That rundown of the of all the conspiracy theory that comes from insurrection Barbie over on Twitter, who put all of the who put all of it together in one big narrative there, which is the I mean, that's obviously what happened here. It's not that the guy who confessed multiple times. And now they're reading the text messages between Robinson and Twigs where Robinson's talking about how he's looking for the gun but he can't seem to find it. He got spooked, couldn't tell if there were footsteps or something. Twigs is like, do you think that they found it, and Robinson's like, well, they haven't published any kind of you know, update that they found the gun or anything, so I don't know. But he couldn't locate the gun in the wooded area, so he had gone back there to try to retrieve the gun because he had ditched it. He's talking about how that his grandfather had modified it and that it would be hopefully untraceable because the serial number something had been somehow altered or something. So there you have a law enforcement agent that's reading through the various text messages. I would I would share this with you, but there's cursing in the text messages and so they're reading the curses. And so I don't want to jeopardize the the FCC license here, but let me go back over to the text line. Mmm, Kathy and rock Hill says, you can't believe these morons who are trying to defend some man who turned himself in for what he did. And Jennifer says, I think these people are smoking way too much pot. It's making them paranoid. Mary says, I find the number of conspiracy theorists unsettling. Please rant and Richard says, in law enforcement, five separate confessions is known as a clue. That's a clue what we call in the biz a clue. Yes, Beth's favorite. Russ says, I am a lot more skeptical of our institutions after COVID, but I'm not going to go Candace and her Nuttery as my sole source of truth. Yeah, And so this is the thing, like, I'm not telling you to believe everybody all the time. I'm not telling you that. I'm telling you that when I look at the evidence, the evidence all points to Tyler Robinson. To me, it's very clear. I'm not stuck asking questions about you know, Egyptian planes and whatever, like, there's no evidence of that some anonymous phone caller to Candace Owens's show is not evidence. Don't be stupid. Okay. That's like. If there's evidence that comes out in trial, if the defense gets up there and they're like, here we have the Masade age. Who planned the whole thing and whatever? Whatever? You know, you not knowing every piece of information about a crime does not mean all of these other extrapolated conclusions that you wish to draw. It's look, I went through this with the nine to eleven truthers for years, same stuff, same pattern. It always is, it always is. I think it was Mark Meckler from the Convention of States who was on that show with Jeremy Boring, and he was talking about being whack a mole. Every conspiracy theory has some kernel of truth to it, and then they do this thing where it's like and then what about this and what about that? And what about this other thing? What about that other thing? What about this or that or this or that? And they just bombard you with these questions, just asking questions, right, And most people don't have time to go through all of the evidence to try to track down well, what is like, what is the evidence to support this conclusion or whatever? When they say what about this? Okay, well let me take a look at this, because I don't know what you're talking about. And then as you start trying to explore that one thing, then they ask, well, what about that? And so now you're pivoting, and you're pivoting and you're just trying to whack all the different moles. In court. It's different in court when you say. What about this, Okay, let's explore this, and let's look at all of the evidence you have to support this. Oh you don't have any okay, well, then that doesn't matter. And if you want to try to pivot to a different what about that, I'm not going to let you do it. We're talking about this right now. We've called a witness to talk about this, right and you want to say what about this? And then when we start looking at this, you want to talk about that, not how it works in court. And that's the problem for all these conspiracy theorists that you guys are gonna have to deal with. This isn't my problem, This is a you problem. This is a Candice Owen's problem. And Sean Ryan and whoever else is on board with all of this dumb asswery. You guys are gonna have to deal with this. And if if you've gone down this path because you thought it was just fun or whatever, Oh, you know, that's a valid question. Whatever. I'm not saying, don't ask questions. You can ask as many questions as you want to. But asking a question is not proof of anything except ignorance. That's it. I'm not saying that to be insulting. But if you're asking what about this, that means you don't know, Well, that's not a conclusion. Evidence will lead you to a conclusion. And once again, the most powerful pieces of evidence are the confessions, multiple confessions to different people voting law enforcement. The DNA on the towel wrapped around the gun, and the screwdriver found with the gun, and the firearm itself from his family, from his grandfather. Pretty big piece of information. And you don't even have to look at the cameras to see him running all around the campus four times, two hours away from where he lives. Pretty compelling stuff to me at least. All Right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecallanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.