Rep. Tim Moore on elections, crime, and leftist violence (10-07-2025--Hour2)

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We can find you a coffee mug on it. Now that there'd be some swag. Yeah, there's always swag. There's there you go, yeah, move them. Mike A little closer to you, all right, So so this was completely unplanned because you happened to be over here a couple blocks away, and so you called up and said, hey, you want to chat? Of course, doors always open. I appreciate you coming in. It's good to see you. So what do you want to hit? You want to start with? I haven't even covered even though this was from last week, I've not gotten to this story that the police union, the FOP here in Charlotte want is planning to ask federal, state, and city leaders to authorize the National Guard to help respond to violent crime in Charlotte. You were back in Charlotte last week for the field hearing for the House Oversight Committee. So what's your Have you heard this before? I'm sure you have, but like, what's your read on that? Yeah? I saw the letter and I don't know. I'd want to find out more details about it, because that certainly is an elevated thing. There's clearly a problem right now. And with our field hearing, what we wanted to do, Pete was we wanted to point out the fact that it's people talking about enough police on the street that really isn't the problem, because what's happening. If you look at the crime stats, it's the same people who reoffend over and over again. So, for example, you know, some guys are arrested and charged with some you know whatever, it is, some breaking and entering, assault, you name it. They're making bond, and then when they're out on bond, they commit a criminal offense, They get arrested, they make bond, they get out again, over and over again. And we had we had a police officer who testified that it was more often than not, and I've heard this from other police officers, more often than not, that the defendant is back out on the street while the cops still in there doing their paperwork. And it's ridiculous. But guess what you dry, you go just a few miles that direction into Gaston County towards you're stomping ground exactly, then it's not that way. I mean, it's so it's a world of difference. And I got to say, I'm not I'm not critical of the District Attorney here. I don't think it's a DA issue. I think it's some of these magistrates and some of these judges of these policies that they've adopted in letting these guys just get out time in time again. And so we really wanted to crack down on the cashless bell situation. For those who don't know, cashless BAILL is something that's being pushed in some jurisdictions where they don't even want them to post any kind of bond, any kind of whatsoever to get out, where somebody's not paying in money to a bondsman or whatever it is to guarantee the appearance back in court as well as to guarantee and when somebody's released, they're supposed to show up for a court nate. But guess what else they're supposed to do. They're not supposed to re offend, they're not supposed to commit other offenses. And it's the same ones over and over again that's adding to this backlaw. So there's a couple of things for people who don't know. And you're a lawyer, so you know this system. A couple things for people who don't know what the language is about and what the roles are. A magistrate will tell you that they're only supposed to be set. They get guidelines from their district court judge that says here are like misdemeanor Class two and three, and here are the offenses. And they're only supposed to be giving them a bond to make sure they appear at their first court appearance. And so they'll say, well, well, our hands are tied by those guidelines and we're only supposed to make sure that they come to court. We're not supposed to like take them off the streets. We're not supposed to be making judgments and that sort of thing. So they'll issue them either a secured bond or unsecured bond, right, and sometimes it's just a written promise to appear. And if it's an unsecured bond, is that the one where they just pay the ten percent. Now if it's unsecure, they pay zero, They pay zero zero. That's just their personal recognizance. But here's the thing. The fallacy behind that is, yet, not only do you is it to guarantee their return to court, but it's also for public safety. I mean, that's why a murderer is not released, and it shouldn't be, but it does happen. But somebody's charged with the murder, that's a threat to the community. Yeah, he may come to court, but what's he going to do when he's back out on the streets. So they're supposed to use that as well. What is the deal with the judges that are setting these guidelines? Because during the House debate here in the State House where you used to be Speaker of the House, Marsha Morey, your old colleague, she got up and talked about how in Durham County she set all the guidelines and she you know, talked about, you know, the different levels that she set. So that was like, I was not aware of that. So the judges actually are are setting up these guidelines. So how do we get at that and should that be something that maybe the state legislature directs those guidelines and what those bail amounts are. So the Arena's law that just passed and signing law actually addresses a lot of that, but it is it's let me give you an example, a real life example where and I mentioned this at the hearing the other day, there was a guy who was charged with raping a student at Belmont Abbey College. Been a couple of years ago, I believe now, and the when he was he was arrested here in Charlotte. So he's arrested and so when you're arrested, you you go initially to wherever. In most cases, you go to like wherever you were arrested. So it was Mecimburg County, went from a Mecklenburg County master because there was a warrant for his arrest, and he was given a fifty thousand dollars secured bond. We left. So what that means is for him to walk out on the street, he would hire bonsman generally pay ten percent, which would be five thousand, and then he's able to walk out and be waited out there free waiting trial. Well, once the case, once he was once he had been arrested, the case then goes back to Gaston County where he's prosecuted the district attorney there and who was the only DA that really would have a dog in a fight. That was the prosecutor, and then a judge and gas can. So the difference is the judge said, what do you mean we've released this guy on fifty thousand dollars? They raised it to five hundred thousand dollars, in which case the person then was put back into custody and remained in custody until trial. But that's the example I mean literally just crossing the Cataba River and you see that time and time again in Mecklenburg County. And you know, I don't want to make this stuff partisan. Everybody should be for tough on crime, but the reality is you have more liberal judges. This is what's happening. Yeah, and so what the The other part is that voters, voters need to understand it because guess what, all of these judges are elected by the people. Yeah, no, this is like, this is all a choice. Well you know what we see here with the crime, it's a choice. People keep making these same choices over and over again, and you know, I don't know how else to convince them that that like this has to be done, mainly in the Democrat primaries. Like we got a sheriff here. You know, I call him Gary not my fault McFadden because nothing is ever his fault, and he like he keeps winning re election because in the primaries the Democrat voters keep putting him back in no matter who runs against them. So we'll see what happens next year. But it's the same same deal with the cooperation with Ice, which actually leads me to another thing. I wanted to ask you about was the uh, you're watching what's happening in Chicago. Portland, Portland, Chicago. I have, yes, and it's just what we've seen on the left is just I mean outright violence. I mean, there's no other way to describe it. I mean the attacks on law enforcement officials, the shooting of course that happened a couple of weeks ago. I mean, the crazies on the left that are getting out there doing this stuff. I mean what they're doing, you're putting on a mask, you know this Antifa, these other groups and literally attacking officers, literally trying to block folks doing these things. I mean, that's breaking the law. That needs to be prosecuted. And my understanding is is that the DOJ is going to bring federal charges because what you have in an area like Chicago or an area like Portland, where you have these liberal local prosecutors there, they're choosing not to prosecute them. But guess what when they attack a federal facility, when they attack a federal officer, they really messed up, right, because now they're going to be charged federally. Well, we had this story out of Chicago where they boxed it. There's like ten vehicles that boxed in these these ice cars rammed the ice vehicles, and there was apparently a call for service to local police for assistance. They didn't respond and they yeah, they called them off. They canceled the call. They were like, do not respond. So, I mean, it's hard for me to look at that and think like this is like this is nullification. This is a local jurisdiction that is saying we will we're not complying with federal law. So what does the federal government then do? And that starts ratcheting up this tension between federal and state and local and like that. I don't want to use the word insurrection because that that's only We're only supposed to use that word for one singular event in our history. But it does kind of seem to be a bit of a rebellion. Well, it does. And that's where, of course, the president ultimately has the authority on the state national guard. The president can federalize that state's national guard and direct them to assists and then and then national guard can enforce criminal laws. You have the whole You can't use active military to enforce law, that's right. You don't do. POSEI coomatatis all. Yeah, exactly, but and your National Guard. So, uh, I know that's something they're looking at. But I mean, what from everything that I've seen what ICE is doing, They're they're following the law. They are cracking down on people who are here illegally, They're dealing with a lot of the gang members are dealing with a lot of this stuff. And then you have these guys, these Antifa activists literally getting in the way of this. I mean, I just it's it shocks me that people that they think that's okay. No, Antifa is an idea. Remember that's what the president told us. Joe Biden told us that it's just an idea. Did he or the auto pen? I'm just curious. So I don't know what does that? I don't know. So I've been I've been making this case for a while that the Democrat Party has a they've got a violence problem. And I first saw it when you remember Madison Cawthorne. He was running against a guy named or a guy challenged him, Colonel Mo Davis. You remember those in the tweets that he was sending out. Stomping him his neck and all this kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's it's just getting worse. And it's like we go from we go from no, no, no, our words aren't inciting anybody to then this weekend where that's South Carolina, Judge's house caught fire. We don't know why, but now they're immediately blaming Republicans. So it's like, well, wait a minute, does the stochastic terrorism thing right? This incitement? Does it work only one direction? Do they? In your Do you deal with any of the Democrats up there as your colleagues? I do, I do, I do, and I deal, And I will say most of the ones that I deal with regularly are not do not agree with this mess that's going on, but they're the radical ones like for example, Omar, I'm Omar, I mean, have any interaction. I want to commitee with her. I've said hello, and that's about the extent of it. But it's but I watched I don't even know what my reaction was, Pete, when I saw the interview after Charlie Kirk's death. Did you see that I mean with Omark, with Omar, I mean. And she's like smiling the whole time that she's talking about this man who was murdered and then starts talking about, well, maybe I feel sorry for his wife and his children, but this man should be forgotten. And was it the ash heap of history or something? And I couldn't but she's smiling the whole time. I mean, that takes a level of evil. I don't know what else to say. That's copathy, That is just twisted. Yeah, and you you just and you're seeing that kind of stuff. But more important even than the words what we talked about with anti antiva, you're seeing the actions of physical violence that were there. And look, I remember in twenty twenty when I decided to stay the weekend in Raleigh, in downtown and when the riots broke out, I'm literally watching from my balcony as like cars are on fire and. The ideas are running all around the streets. Oh yeah, oh yeah, the nonviolent protest. Right yeah, I'm thinking this is this is nuts. But you know, when when it's not the ride out smashing windows with skateboards and attacking people, it's it's the crazies. It's the crazies that on the left. And I think we ought to deal with who is funding a lot of this because you know, you know, these lo These are paid agitators, paid protesters. I mean, somebody who's doing that out to be held responsible for. So did you see you hear of a book? I think it's called the Antifa Handbook, I think is what it's called. Is written by some guy named Bray, Mike Bray or Mark Bray. He's a Rutgers University associate professor, and he wrote the handbook for Antifa, and he made the rounds a couple of years ago, back in like twenty sixteen, when Antifa was new and cool and all of that for the media. And I just saw yesterday he has now fled the country he's living in. He's moved to Spain. And it came the day after the White House announced that they're going to be probing the funding ties good and so he fled. Well, I'm sure it's coincidence. Oh, I'm sure it is. Well, and we know, you know the George Soros, you know he and his son Alex or whatever. The millions of dollars these guys put into things, and it's I mean, you think about it. When the riots were going on in the cities, these palettes of bricks would just magically appear I mean, this is this is terrible and and what I've called on you colleagues, my colleagues who on the other side of the aisle, is they need to unequivocally denounce this kind of violence, denounce this hateful rhetoric, denounce this incitement and if you will. But most of them are scared to So why do you think that is? I think because the because the far ultra left, he is in charge of the Democratic Party. I mean that that's where we are today. I mean that they they have been totally hijacked by the left wing nut jobs. It's a battle between them, between the the between now between the liberals and the hardcore leftist and I think that's why so many North Carolina, North Carolinians, so many Americans are either becoming who were Democrats before becoming unaffiliated, or in some cases Republican. Look at the numbers, right, I mean, and I'm a Republican. Hey, we're not perfect, right, We've got some issues as well, but we're not out there, you know, burning cars in the streets and interfering with law enforce I mean we're not We're not violent. I mean, it's just uh, and people see that, they see that on the left, and they don't want to be you know, most common sence. People don't want to be affiliated with that. And I mean there's certain things that ought to be common sense, nonpartistsan non political and public safety ought to be at the very top of that list. Well, yeah, I mean it is the you know, was it the hierarchy of civilization here that you know, these are your needs and the number one down at the bottom there is security because if you don't have that, you can't engage in commerce. People don't have, you know, trust in their neighbors and your freedom the roads obviously, and I just I don't understand, well I do because Dennis Prager talks about conservatives vote their values, Progressives vote their values, but liberals do not because they don't want to be perceived as being too close to conservatives, and so they will cave every time to the hardcore leftists. And that's that's really troubling to me, because the right does not control these these institutions of value like legacy media for example, and schools. This is where all this stuff is coming through. That's why you're young people are you know, one out of three of them say violence is acceptable political violence is acceptable. That's how we got here. And I'm kind of like, well, who then is going to to fight that inside the Democrat Party if the liberals won't do it? Right? Do you have any idea uh. That that you know what I think? I think what has to happen is that Democrats have to start losing more and more elections for that to get through. But my concern is is you have certain areas, particularly in the cities, where the Democrat de facto wins. It just it just happens. I mean, you can run a great qualified Republican, uh, and you can have somebody on the hard far left and because of where they are that you know they're likely to win those races. And at some point there's got to be common sense that gets involved in this. But I'll give you, I mean, not exactly the same thing, because we're talking about, you know, with the violence and all that stuff dangerous, but I'll bring bring it into like the government shutdown right now, right with the continuing Resolution, we as Republicans voted to keep the government open, and we didn't change any policy, we didn't roll back anything, we didn't deal with it basically continuing the same budget that was in place when Biden was president. Right, we passed it, went over to the Senate initially a few months ago the first R. Schumer voted for the Democrats. They caught so much grief from the hard far left, the AOC's of the world, all that stuff. Now, when it comes time to just keep the government open, something as simple as that, they can't muster the courage to do what they know is the right thing. I mean, we can debate all the issues they want to debate, but think about I'm sure you saw the demands. One of the big demands they had free health care for illegal aliens. And that's there. It's in black and white. People wanted people go, oh, it's not no go look on my website, look on my social media. We will see the screenshot of the page. And so they're willing to shut down the federal government and all the services to provide free health care for illegal aliens. When a party that is doing that has lost its way and is out of touch with eighty percent of the Americans. All right, that's Congressman Tim Moore. You know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life and our stories are told through images and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video. Started in nineteen ninety seven and Minhill, North Carolina. 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I don't know the only way this is going to change, I think is for Democrats to be forced to change. And the only way that's going to happen is if they lose more and more elections because of it. And I think that's what we are seeing is Democrats losing their grip on these institutions, whether it's you know, government or education. But with the you know more the rise in school choice for example, the crackdown on DEI measures right, the but also social media, they've lost control through you know, the censorship models that they were employing for the better part of about seven years. They've lost a lot of that control. We're seeing now movies and and uh, you know, I want to say TV shows, but they're not. It's YouTube stuff. It's content creation that's now being done by uh, you know, independent content creators, whether they're movies or TV series. But they're living on the digital platforms Daily Wire for example, doing full length feature movies. So they're losing their grip. And this is what it looks like when a party that has controlled the culture for so long starts losing control of that culture. And as I've said for years, they they have enjoyed this, uh, this position, and so they haven't been able or haven't been I should say, they haven't been tasked with defending their positions. They would just call people names, and they would rely on media to amplify the names, the smears, and then they would also rely on the targets not wanting to be called these things. And just like anything else, when you call everybody a Nazi, the word loses its power. And that's where we are. So people call like, I got a guy he ran for office as a Democrat in North Carolina and he's out there calling me and all my listeners and all of the people on Twitter that follow me, we're all racists and Nazis and stuff, and nobody cares what you have to say. You're you know it. What is the old line, Well, it's not that old. It's from that cartoon. Your booze mean nothing. I've seen what you cheer for. I don't care what you say. Your opinion of me is absolutely irrelevant. It carries no purchase any longer. And that's what they're grappling with. They used to be able to just call you names, have it amplified in the press, and it would destroy your life. And it doesn't work anymore. And they have nothing else to fall back on, so they just keep ratcheting up this rhetoric and now you're inspiring people to actually engage in violence against federal agents. I mentioned this with Congressman Moore. It's this is it's insane. So this is a story from CBS News. Federal agents shot a woman in the Brighton Park neighborhood on Chicago's southwest Side on Saturday morning after they became boxed in by vehicles. According to the US Department of Homeland Security, the woman, as well as a man whom authorities say was involved in the chaos, are now facing charges. Homeland Security originally said the shooting happened while agents were patrolling in Broadview, where the Department has a US Immigration and Customs enforcement facility that has been the target of ongoing quote protests and clashes between agents and demonstrators. Their attacks is what's happening. These are attacks. Okay. Here is what Gov. Pritzker said about this story when asked by Jake Tapper on CNN News. What do you know about this incident? We're federal agents boxed in and assaulted. Well, we don't have a lot of facts. What happens in these sorts of incidence is typically ICE puts out a press release before anybody else can speak with the press, and then it gets reported on social media and elsewhere. So they are just putting out their propaganda. Their propaganda. So when ICE agents are attacked and they put out a press release about the attack, that's propaganda. According to the freaking governor of Illinois, here is Congresswoman Timmy Duckworth or Senator. They lie, right, The Trump administration lies. We have a president who's a known liar. And they have been they've been lying about the situation all along. So they've been lying, according to Pritzker and Duckworth. There everybody's lying at Homeland Security, ICE is lying, Border Patrol's lying, Christy Nome's lying. Right, Everyone's lie, lie, lie, lie lie, except I guess you're gonna have to rework that talking point because the Chicago Police superintendent thinks otherwise. So when I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, and before he died, my mom and my dad took care of him as he got worse. Forty years ago, there were no treatments and not much support for caregivers and family. But things are different today because of the work of so many people, including the Alzheimer's Association of Western Carolina. It's a great organization with awesome people with huge hearts. I've been a supporter for twenty five years. This cause means a lot to me. 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So in Chicago ICE operation there being attacked by these leftists. Oh and also there are hits being put out on ICE agents by cartels and such. I have details on all of that. But you heard from the Governor of Illinois JB. Pritzkir and Tammy Duckworth, member of Congress, both saying that DHS Homeland Security is lying ICE border patrol. They're lying about what occurred over the weekend, which was that ICE vehicles were quote boxed in by about ten vehicles, and then one of their vehicles got rammed, and when an officer, the patrolling agents were rammed by vehicles boxed in by ten cars, according to a statement from the Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Trisia McLaughlin. And you heard these democrats saying these are all lies, which might be news to the Chicago Police Superintendent Larry Snelling. Federal agents. ICE HSI are officers, they're agents of law enforcement. If you box them in. With vehicles, it is reasonable for them to believe that they are being ambushed, correct, and that this could end in a deadly situation, and it's reasonable for them to use force. Based on those conditions. Do not box in any law enforcement officer. You are breaking the law when you do that, and you are putting yourself in danger following law enforcement agents around. The question is why what do you plan on doing. It's also reasonable for them to believe that you're eventually going to do harm to them. If you ram any vehicle, especially that one that contains law enforcement agents, and that's any law enforcement local, state, federal, county, and you do this intentionally, this is considered deadly force. Deadly force is anything that can cause great bodily harm or death. When you plow into a vehicle that contains law enforcement agents, you're using deadly force, and they can use deadly force in response to stop you. So let that be a warning democrats and leftist shock troops. You keep escalating, you're gonna get shot. In fact, one of the people that boxed in and hit these ICE agents was shot. DHS said that the agents were unable to move their vehicles, so they got out of a car. According to DHS. One of the drivers of one of the cars boxing them in had a gun, which the agency called a semi automatic weapon. Don't know if it was a handgun or long gun, but whatever, DHS said, the agents opened fire, striking the driver, who has been identified some woman. According to the federal charging complaint, Customs and Border Protection agent who opened fire stepped out of his vehicle and shot five times at the woman as she rammed her car into a federal law enforcement vehicle. Prosecutors say she drove off, but paramedics found her and her car at a repair shop about a mile away, at which point she was taken to a hospital. She was treated, released, and then arrested. Now I'm curious. Was she going to the repair shop in order to try to get her vehicle repaired so as to hide the evidence, or was it somebody that she knew. Was it a place that employed people she knew or something, or was it just a place she pulled over because the an ambulance was dispatched to that location where she got picked up and taken to the hospital. Her name is Marimar Martinez, forty years old, of Chicago, charged with forcibly assaulting. She is a citizen forcibly assaulting, impeding, and interfering with a federal law enforcement officer. This according to the US Attorney's Office. DHS claimed that the woman was also named in an intelligence bulletin that was put out last week because she was doxing agents and posting threats against ICE online. A later statement said that as ICE agents were responding to that shooting, somebody followed them and rammed their vehicle in an attempt to run them off the road. That person also got arrested now in custody. That guy's name is Anthony Ian Santos Ruiz, twenty one of Chicago. Don't know if he's a citizen or not. He faces the exact same charges as Martinez. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to dpetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.