Reading quotes in the worst, bad faith ways (06-07-2024--Hour2)

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[00:00:51] So last hour went over the, uh, the ins and outs, I think, uh, fairly well.

[00:00:56] I don't know.

[00:00:57] We'll find out.

[00:00:58] We had the, uh, proposal at the North Carolina legislature to allow their Republican Governors

[00:01:04] Association and the Democrat Governors Association to send money downstream to the state political

[00:01:10] parties who could then distribute the money to the candidates.

[00:01:15] And the Democrats walked out, uh, of the, uh, the debate and the vote yesterday, did

[00:01:21] a little press conference out front.

[00:01:23] They did not do it in the press room for some reason.

[00:01:25] So we couldn't get audio, the feed from the legislative, uh, press hall where people go

[00:01:32] in there and they do, you know, news conferences and it's fed through the system over the

[00:01:36] internet so people can see it.

[00:01:38] Democrats went outside on the lawn to do it.

[00:01:40] And, um, they claim that it's, uh, yeah, this is, uh, they're trying to essentially rig.

[00:01:46] They did not use the word rig, but they meant it.

[00:01:50] Um, they're trying to, that the Republicans are trying to rig the governor's race.

[00:01:55] The gubernatorial election underway.

[00:01:57] How dare you change these rules while the election is underway?

[00:02:01] Of course, ignoring the fact that Democrats had no problem changing all sorts of rules

[00:02:05] back in 2020.

[00:02:09] They also pointed out that Josh Stein, Democrat Attorney General, um, running for governor

[00:02:16] against Mark Robinson, current Lieutenant Governor, that Josh Stein has just gone up

[00:02:22] with these attack ads against Mark Robinson using his own words against him, right?

[00:02:28] Just a coincidence?

[00:02:29] I think not.

[00:02:30] Well, actually, yes, probably a coincidence because they both seem to be, uh, neck and

[00:02:35] neck in the polls and they're pretty close on fundraising.

[00:02:38] Uh, at least the last numbers I saw.

[00:02:42] So I suspected had more to do with that, um, than the ad that went up, but there is an

[00:02:50] ad, the left leaning this according to national review, the left leaning nonprofit advocacy

[00:02:57] group America works USA launched a new ad this week, boosting North Carolina Attorney

[00:03:05] General Josh Stein.

[00:03:08] See this is totally different than dark money.

[00:03:11] This is coming from an advocacy group.

[00:03:13] It's a nonprofit.

[00:03:14] They look, they're not, they're not getting involved in politics.

[00:03:17] They're just promoting Josh Stein, a Democrat for governor.

[00:03:21] That's all.

[00:03:22] Come on now in this ad, this is so offensive to me.

[00:03:29] Anybody who has paid attention to this issue as I have for gosh, 15 years, 20 years now,

[00:03:37] the, uh, the backlog for rape kit testing.

[00:03:43] I've gone over this many times over the years.

[00:03:47] Josh Stein and Roy Cooper cannot both be right on this.

[00:03:53] They cannot both be right.

[00:03:55] Roy Cooper claimed when he was attorney general and he was running against Pat McCrory, the

[00:04:00] incumbent for governor and Pat McCrory was hammering Roy Cooper on the backlog of the

[00:04:09] rape kit testing.

[00:04:11] There were all these rape kits that the state lab, uh, had not tested.

[00:04:16] And that means that you can't prosecute these alleged rapists.

[00:04:19] You can't find out the DNA, right?

[00:04:22] The investigation is sort of at a halt.

[00:04:24] Any kind of prosecution is at a halt because of the backlog.

[00:04:29] And so Pat McCrory was hammering away at Roy Cooper and Roy Cooper claimed that he had

[00:04:34] cleared the backlog and that Pat was lying.

[00:04:40] So then Roy beats Pat and incomes Josh Stein as the new attorney general barely.

[00:04:50] And lo and behold, he starts talking about clearing the rape kit backlog.

[00:04:56] And when he's up for reelection four years ago, he's running against, I believe the fellow's

[00:05:01] name was Jim O'Neill, who was the, uh, is the prosecutor in Forsyth County, if I recall

[00:05:07] correctly.

[00:05:08] And O'Neill was hammering Josh Stein over the backlog of the rape kits.

[00:05:17] And Josh Stein kept saying, no, we've cleared it, which the state legislature sent a boatload

[00:05:24] of money over to help clear that backlog.

[00:05:29] But both of those positions cannot be true.

[00:05:32] Roy Cooper could not have cleared the backlog if Josh Stein cleared the backlog.

[00:05:37] Now this makes sense.

[00:05:38] I know this makes sense at sort of a logical level.

[00:05:41] And so it probably doesn't pertain to the election cycle and the campaigning, but it

[00:05:47] seems to me that if Cooper cleared them, then Stein could not have.

[00:05:53] I am more inclined actually to believe Josh Stein in this measure because there was a

[00:05:57] whole bunch of money dedicated by the legislature.

[00:06:01] They did a press conference about it as well.

[00:06:03] And they dragged Josh Stein up there because he kind of had to write.

[00:06:08] Like, you got to stand next to these lawmakers as they're giving you all this money to clear

[00:06:12] the backlog that you've said you're going to clear and you're getting hammered over.

[00:06:17] So it was a, it was a campaign win for him to clear the backlog.

[00:06:22] And by the way, a win for justice and all of the victims who had been waiting for the

[00:06:28] rape kits to be tested.

[00:06:34] So the ad that just went live says then attorney general Josh Stein wrote a law requiring all

[00:06:41] rape kits be tested.

[00:06:43] Finally closing decades old cases, putting their attackers behind bars.

[00:06:49] Okay.

[00:06:51] The attorney general does not write law.

[00:06:54] That is the legislative work, right?

[00:06:57] The legislature did that.

[00:06:59] Crimes entered into the database that led to 114 arrests by taking predators off the

[00:07:04] street.

[00:07:05] Josh Stein is protecting North Carolina.

[00:07:07] Okay.

[00:07:09] Do you think that the Democrats have a problem with law and order perceptions?

[00:07:15] If this is, if this is part of the ad, do you think that they may be a wee bit sensitive

[00:07:21] to accusations that they're soft on crime?

[00:07:26] Which of course is why Stein has been hammering away at the issue as well.

[00:07:33] Meanwhile, Mark Robinson, he is, he's now having to defend his comments that he has

[00:07:42] made over the course of his pre, you know, public profile status before he ever gave

[00:07:51] that fiery speech in front of the Greensboro city council about gun control, which launched

[00:07:56] his political career into the Lieutenant governor's race, right?

[00:08:01] He won the race and now he's running for governor, but he's got a very prolific and

[00:08:07] sometimes offensive body of work, shall we say when it comes to his Facebook posts and

[00:08:15] when it comes to his speeches that he has been giving in a lot of churches around the

[00:08:20] state, which I think that also has Democrats very worried because he's going into predominantly

[00:08:25] black churches and making these speeches.

[00:08:29] And when you hear them and you watch the video, the crowd loves it.

[00:08:35] The crowd loves what he's saying.

[00:08:37] Democrats might not, but the crowds at these churches do.

[00:08:42] So I think that might be a sort of a sleeper factor that people don't really know how to

[00:08:47] gauge at this point.

[00:08:52] Robinson is vowing to broadly reshape North Carolina agencies in a more conservative direction

[00:08:58] if he is elected.

[00:08:59] I know.

[00:09:01] No!

[00:09:04] He say it's not true.

[00:09:08] During a speech at the annual North Carolina Republican Party convention a couple weeks

[00:09:12] ago, Robinson zeroed in on pro-diversity efforts and critical race theory, which they put in

[00:09:17] these scare quotes in the article at WRAL by Will Duran.

[00:09:23] Critical race theory, ooooh.

[00:09:25] If we even know what that is.

[00:09:28] Which he described as garbage.

[00:09:30] He criticized teachers and other school officials who he said see themselves as all powerful

[00:09:35] bureaucrats who think they know more than you, know your children better than you, and

[00:09:40] who believe it's okay to feed your children a steady diet of communism and pornography.

[00:09:45] Mm-hmm.

[00:09:47] Hashtag not all teachers.

[00:09:50] He's not saying that about all teachers.

[00:09:52] Just want to make that clear.

[00:09:53] He's saying that about the teachers who do believe that.

[00:09:57] Right?

[00:09:59] If your immediate reaction to that is to say, how dare you tell me what I can and cannot

[00:10:03] do?

[00:10:04] Well, I'm going to automatically assume then that you do think he's talking about you because

[00:10:06] you may be doing some of these things.

[00:10:09] Right?

[00:10:11] You throw a rock into a pack of dogs.

[00:10:12] No, I'm not calling them dogs.

[00:10:14] All right.

[00:10:15] Okay.

[00:10:16] Look, it's not.

[00:10:17] Gosh, I should just steer away from analogies.

[00:10:19] From the governor's race to the attorney general's race.

[00:10:21] It's been almost, well, not even a week.

[00:10:23] It's been four days.

[00:10:24] But Monday, you may recall we had Dan Bishop on the program and we were talking about the

[00:10:33] verdict that had come down against Donald Trump.

[00:10:35] Seems like a lifetime ago.

[00:10:37] Right?

[00:10:39] So in talking with Dan Bishop, he made some comments about how the justice system up in

[00:10:46] Manhattan had been, dare I say, rigged.

[00:10:49] But this is not a verdict that passes judicial scrutiny.

[00:10:55] Right?

[00:10:56] Dan's a lawyer.

[00:10:58] Dan has an opinion about the way the legal process played out there and lawyers can disagree.

[00:11:06] People can disagree.

[00:11:07] Totally fine.

[00:11:09] The Charlotte Observer or the McClatchy Papers, really, this is written by a reporter named

[00:11:13] Avi Bajpai.

[00:11:14] Bajpai?

[00:11:15] Who says, U.S. Representative Dan Bishop said former President Donald Trump was the

[00:11:22] victim of selective and vindictive prosecution that was comparable to the justice system

[00:11:27] black people faced in the segregated South.

[00:11:32] That was the headline.

[00:11:34] So we had Dan on for the whole segment, talked about a bunch of different things.

[00:11:39] This was the headline that the McClatchy Papers grabbed.

[00:11:44] Bishop made the comments about Trump's recent conviction during an appearance Monday on

[00:11:50] the Pete Callender Show on Charlotte radio station WBT.

[00:11:53] All right, so first off, I appreciate them getting the name correct and listing the radio

[00:12:01] station.

[00:12:02] So thank you for that.

[00:12:03] Seriously, sincerely, thank you.

[00:12:06] Because in the old days, they wouldn't even credit the station.

[00:12:10] They wouldn't credit the host.

[00:12:11] They wouldn't credit anybody unless there was something bad that the host had said.

[00:12:14] Then it was like, get it all right.

[00:12:16] Get the names right.

[00:12:17] Get the call letters, all of that.

[00:12:18] I do notice also they did not put the frequency 1110 AM 99.3.

[00:12:25] They didn't put the frequencies on there.

[00:12:28] Not that people can't find it if they were to go looking for it, you know, but it makes

[00:12:31] it harder.

[00:12:33] But it's customary to put the frequency in there with the call letters.

[00:12:38] But it's not imperative.

[00:12:39] That's fine.

[00:12:40] I'm not trying to, you know, I'm not trying to rain on this parade here.

[00:12:45] I do appreciate the mention.

[00:12:47] But I would also note that probably it's better they didn't put the frequency in there because

[00:12:51] whenever the Charlotte Observer would ever put the frequency, they'd always say 1100

[00:12:55] AM.

[00:12:56] So they put a wrong number in there.

[00:13:00] I guess it's better that there's nothing in there so this way it doesn't send people to

[00:13:03] the wrong station.

[00:13:05] There's nothing on 1100, by the way.

[00:13:06] 1110, yes.

[00:13:07] 1100, no.

[00:13:08] All right.

[00:13:10] So, oh, and by the way, again, I appreciate the fact that they gave us credit for this

[00:13:14] because I look when you hear me do stories from the McClatchy Papers or TV station or

[00:13:21] anybody, I always give you who they are.

[00:13:24] Right.

[00:13:25] I always give you the source.

[00:13:26] I give you the outlet or the publication.

[00:13:29] And I always try unless they've masked the author.

[00:13:32] I always try to tell you who wrote it, the bylines.

[00:13:35] Right.

[00:13:36] Because I believe give credit where it's due.

[00:13:40] You can credit people where you must, but give credit where it's due.

[00:13:41] So I appreciate that.

[00:13:45] Unlike whatever that group was that put out the ad using this audio from BT, they used

[00:13:53] the audio and didn't credit anybody.

[00:13:58] They just pulled some, dare I say, selectively edited some of the audio and they put out

[00:14:03] some sort of TikTok video or something using the audio that they stole from us because

[00:14:08] they didn't credit us.

[00:14:10] So so thank you to McClatchy Papers.

[00:14:13] I appreciate and Avi Bajpai who wrote the story.

[00:14:15] I appreciate it.

[00:14:16] Anyway, Bishop was asked about the New York trial, which ended Thursday with a jury finding

[00:14:21] Trump guilty of 34 counts of falsifying documents in connection to hush money he paid to adult

[00:14:25] film star Stormy Daniels.

[00:14:27] The Republican congressman who's running for North Carolina attorney general said Trump's

[00:14:31] prosecution was politically motivated, which, by the way.

[00:14:36] There isn't really any doubt about this.

[00:14:38] Now, you can say that they should have prosecuted him.

[00:14:41] That's fine.

[00:14:42] Right.

[00:14:43] You hate Donald Trump.

[00:14:44] Orange man bad.

[00:14:45] He should be prosecuted.

[00:14:46] He broke the law.

[00:14:47] Whatever arguments you want to use to justify, that's fine.

[00:14:51] But you cannot deny that there is a political motivation to do this.

[00:14:56] Alvin Bragg literally campaigned on this issue.

[00:15:02] Positioned himself as the toughest on Trump, the one with the experience to get Trump convicted,

[00:15:09] amassed a team, including a DOJ guy, Matthew Colangelo, a federal Department of Justice

[00:15:16] lawyer guy, got him on the team and then touted his expertise in getting Trump.

[00:15:21] Right.

[00:15:22] This was part of Bragg's persona and his campaign pitch.

[00:15:28] Also, Alvin Bragg has made a habit of releasing people and not charging them for misdemeanors,

[00:15:38] which is what these charges were supposed to be.

[00:15:41] That's what they are.

[00:15:42] Although the statute of limitations ran out.

[00:15:43] So then he concocted this other way to get at a to bring it back to resuscitate a charge

[00:15:49] and then even to elevate it to a felony.

[00:15:51] Right.

[00:15:52] So a guy who ran on a campaign of getting Trump and has a history with everybody else

[00:15:58] of ratcheting down the charges, he ratchets up the charges for Trump.

[00:16:03] I don't think objectively speaking, I don't think you can argue fairly that this was not

[00:16:10] a politically motivated prosecution.

[00:16:12] Again, you can believe that it was warranted.

[00:16:15] You can believe that he should have done it and that the law backs him and all of that.

[00:16:18] And Trump's guilty of all these things.

[00:16:20] And that's a different argument.

[00:16:23] But the political calculation was there.

[00:16:26] Bragg has said so himself.

[00:16:30] So then Dan Bishop commented on it and he talked about a system, a judicial system that

[00:16:38] is weaponized in such a fashion, politically motivated, right?

[00:16:42] Things other than the law or prosecutorial discretion only going in one direction for

[00:16:49] certain people.

[00:16:51] This is a, dare I say it, a systemic kind of observation about Bragg and the way he's

[00:16:57] running his institution.

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[00:18:05] Charlotte Observer, The McClatchy Paper is doing a write-up on the interview that we

[00:18:08] did with Dan Bishop on Monday.

[00:18:12] And Dan Bishop said during the interview, our discussion about the Donald Trump verdict

[00:18:16] that had occurred a couple days prior.

[00:18:20] He said the problem with the verdict, he said the problem here is that politics should never

[00:18:24] drive the use and application of the criminal justice infrastructure.

[00:18:31] All right.

[00:18:34] So take Dan Bishop out of this equation.

[00:18:37] I know he said the quote, but just as a standalone idea.

[00:18:41] Is this accurate?

[00:18:44] Should politics drive the use and application of the criminal justice infrastructure?

[00:18:52] I would submit no.

[00:18:55] I don't want to see the judicial branch used as a weapon against political opponents.

[00:19:03] Right?

[00:19:04] The idea that we heard Democrats screaming from the rooftops after the verdict was that

[00:19:10] no one is above the law.

[00:19:11] Right.

[00:19:12] But it means that the law applies to everyone.

[00:19:15] Right?

[00:19:16] That's part of that equation is that you apply these rules to everybody.

[00:19:21] And the fact that nobody had ever had these rules applied to them before Donald Trump

[00:19:26] makes it a little bit suspicious or as the kids would say, sus.

[00:19:33] Bishop went on to say, quote, and unless you can say that others are being prosecuted for

[00:19:39] similar offenses, similar circumstances with the same laws and susceptible to the same

[00:19:45] punishments.

[00:19:46] It is a concept known as selective or vindictive prosecution.

[00:19:52] See, this is a key part here because I understood him when he was saying it.

[00:19:58] This concept of selective or vindictive prosecution.

[00:20:03] He says it is well known to the law and it is a violation of the Constitution and it

[00:20:08] cannot stand.

[00:20:10] Selective prosecution, vindictive prosecution.

[00:20:13] Right.

[00:20:14] This is a well-known concept.

[00:20:18] And then he used as an example how prosecutors had abused their powers much like they did

[00:20:29] in the Jim Crow South.

[00:20:31] Oh, sorry.

[00:20:33] I should probably give you one of these.

[00:20:40] Because you're not allowed to even mention the way Democrats ran the show in the Jim

[00:20:44] Crow South.

[00:20:47] This is how justice, quote, unquote, was delivered by government in the Jim Crow era.

[00:20:57] Selective prosecution.

[00:20:59] It's unconstitutional.

[00:21:02] That's why these concepts of selective or vindictive prosecution, they are well known

[00:21:06] to the law.

[00:21:08] You have a prosecutor that is going after somebody individually, personally.

[00:21:12] They don't like the guy.

[00:21:13] They don't like the family.

[00:21:14] They're going to find me the man.

[00:21:15] I'm going to find him the crime to charge him with.

[00:21:18] That concept is well known in the law.

[00:21:21] That is abuse.

[00:21:23] It was abusive when people did it, prosecutors did it against African-Americans just because

[00:21:29] they're black.

[00:21:31] And it's abusive, I would submit, and Dan Bishop submitted.

[00:21:36] It is the same in this case.

[00:21:37] The abuse is the problem.

[00:21:40] But because Dan Bishop is a Republican, probably also because he's a white guy, a white Republican,

[00:21:46] he's not ever allowed to say Jim Crow era South.

[00:21:50] He's not ever allowed to compare anything to any abuses that occurred then.

[00:21:55] Even though the abuse of selective or vindictive prosecution is precisely analogous.

[00:22:02] It wasn't based on the color of Donald Trump's skin, although maybe there's some anti-orangeism

[00:22:08] going on there.

[00:22:09] I don't know.

[00:22:10] But the concept of vindictive or selective prosecution is the key issue at play.

[00:22:18] And that's what he said.

[00:22:20] He said, quote, when I say it's rigged, it's not just that they don't go into a fair fight.

[00:22:28] They go into a place where they know the fight is unfair.

[00:22:31] This is venue shopping.

[00:22:32] This is another part of selective prosecution.

[00:22:36] You shop for the right venue where you know the jury pool is going to be comprised of

[00:22:40] people that are going to be less sympathetic to a defendant.

[00:22:46] He says it's as bad as it was in Alabama in 1950 if a person happened to be black and

[00:22:51] black in order to get justice.

[00:22:53] And that's what they did in New York.

[00:22:55] It's a fundamentally rigged or he says it's fundamentally rigged.

[00:22:59] And the people who attack me for saying so can attack all they want, which they have

[00:23:04] now, because of course they have.

[00:23:06] Look at Dan Bishop.

[00:23:08] He's equating Donald Trump to, you know, victims of selective prosecution because they were

[00:23:13] black.

[00:23:14] And he's talking about this system, which, as I recall, up until about a minute ago when

[00:23:22] Donald Trump got convicted and I'm sure it would have been a completely different story.

[00:23:27] You guys are singing.

[00:23:28] Had he walked?

[00:23:30] I was under the impression that the institutions and the systems were all inherently corrupt

[00:23:35] and they had to be dismantled.

[00:23:38] But I guess now it works because because now you weaponized it against somebody you hate,

[00:23:44] you got your conviction.

[00:23:45] So now it works, which is actually more of a tell on you, right?

[00:23:49] That you're betraying what you actually believe the justice system is supposed to be about,

[00:23:55] which is getting your enemies, getting people that you don't like.

[00:23:59] And that's not what the justice system is supposed to be about.

[00:24:02] Right.

[00:24:03] You're supposed to have advocates on either side and an impartial judge and jury.

[00:24:11] That's what the system is supposed to be about.

[00:24:13] Did you have an impartial judge?

[00:24:15] I would submit the evidence also is pretty clear here that the answer is no.

[00:24:19] Did you have an impartial jury?

[00:24:21] I don't know.

[00:24:22] But given the demographic pool from which they were fishing or into which they were

[00:24:26] fishing, chances are no.

[00:24:31] But people don't like to blame juries.

[00:24:33] And I get that.

[00:24:37] It's never been about justice.

[00:24:39] It's about rigging and weaponizing our justice system against anyone who threatens their grip

[00:24:43] on power.

[00:24:44] We must end the leftist lawfare in November.

[00:24:48] That Dan Bishop said that on Twitter or X.

[00:24:51] He said that on Twitter.

[00:24:55] So Dan Bishop is running for North Carolina attorney general.

[00:24:59] And I asked him a couple of different times in a couple of different ways.

[00:25:02] Should Republicans play this same game against the Democrats?

[00:25:05] And he said no, which is actually what you would want your prosecutor to say.

[00:25:10] I think I think you want your top prosecutor to not be in the business of selectively prosecuting

[00:25:17] people, vindictively prosecuting people based on politics.

[00:25:22] So Dan Bishop did not go along with that.

[00:25:24] Now Dan Bishop has an opponent and that guy's name is Jeff Jackson.

[00:25:28] And Jeff Jackson, well, he had a reaction.

[00:25:32] Dare I say he pounced?

[00:25:33] Nay, he seized upon Dan Bishop's comments.

[00:25:37] I'll tell you what he said in a minute.

[00:25:38] News talk 1110 99 3 WBT.

[00:25:42] I have received a communique on the Twitter machine.

[00:25:48] There's a message from Jeff asking if I invited Vince Coakley to listen and.

[00:25:53] On the Dan Bishop, I have not.

[00:25:55] I didn't know that.

[00:25:56] Did he cover it?

[00:25:57] I suspect he did.

[00:25:59] I don't know.

[00:26:01] I did not hear if he did.

[00:26:04] Do you?

[00:26:05] Oh yeah.

[00:26:06] The Russians are bringing in like four warships off the coast of Cuba.

[00:26:10] So they'll be here next week.

[00:26:14] But I just, you know, I feel like that's important information to know.

[00:26:20] Democratic U.S. Representative Jeff Jackson running for North Carolina attorney general

[00:26:26] running against Dan Bishop pouncing nay seizing on Dan Bishop's comments made here on the

[00:26:33] program on Monday.

[00:26:35] He says quote that Dan Bishop immediately dismisses 34 unanimous verdicts by a jury

[00:26:43] as rigged.

[00:26:44] Note the language here.

[00:26:45] Jackson is an attorney and you'll note the deflection and the arguing of points that

[00:26:53] are not actually responsive to what Bishop said.

[00:26:57] Right.

[00:26:59] He dismisses 34 unanimous verdicts.

[00:27:02] Well, the 34 unanimous verdicts were about 11 separate issues.

[00:27:06] And then the one overarching issue, the 11, there were like 11 checks, 11 invoices for

[00:27:12] those checks, right?

[00:27:15] Those and receipts, those, those were, so there was 11 instances and each one of them,

[00:27:20] Alvin Bragg tacked on three different charges.

[00:27:24] So there's overcharging occurring.

[00:27:26] And then the umbrella charge, which is what he was, that was the felony, which was based

[00:27:32] on crimes that were not proven.

[00:27:35] That's a problem.

[00:27:37] Crimes were not proven.

[00:27:39] Those underlying unlawful means never proven.

[00:27:45] Jackson says he immediately dismisses 34 unanimous verdicts by a jury as rigged.

[00:27:54] What he said was when I say it's rigged, it's not just they don't go into a fair fight.

[00:27:58] They go into a place where they know the fight is unfair.

[00:28:02] Venue shopping, that's the rigging.

[00:28:05] Venue shopping, judge shopping, same thing.

[00:28:10] Jackson then goes on to say he's never been a prosecutor and it shows disagreeing with

[00:28:15] a jury is one thing, but saying the whole thing is rigged is dishonest and destructive.

[00:28:21] Is it dishonest and destructive by the way to say that the judicial system is inherently

[00:28:27] racist, systemically corrupt, institutional racism?

[00:28:31] Is that like is that is that also destructive or is that different?

[00:28:37] I'm not sure because Democrats, you guys have been sending some mixed messages over the

[00:28:41] last four years.

[00:28:42] I'm not sure you're aware of this, but but you have been.

[00:28:45] But note also he's conflating the jury's decision with everything else.

[00:28:51] Right.

[00:28:53] The jury made its decision.

[00:28:54] But all of the other things that Dan Bishop walked through in that conversation is ignored

[00:29:01] because Jackson wants to make it seem like Dan Bishop is attacking you.

[00:29:07] You could be a juror.

[00:29:09] He's attacking you and the democracy.

[00:29:12] Right.

[00:29:13] He's a former state senator, former prosecutor out of Gaston County.

[00:29:18] He told McClatchy last week that it was what he described as Bishop's attack on the jury

[00:29:22] that really bothered him.

[00:29:24] Quote, when I was a prosecutor, I saw jury verdicts I disagreed with.

[00:29:29] You want to respond to that in a rational way, not by lashing out and calling the jury

[00:29:34] rigged.

[00:29:35] Again, we read this when I say it's rigged.

[00:29:41] It's not just that they don't go into a fair fight.

[00:29:44] They go into a place where they know the fight is unfair.

[00:29:50] It's as bad as it was in Alabama in 1950.

[00:29:52] If a person happened to be black in order to get justice.

[00:29:56] And that's what they did in New York.

[00:29:57] Right.

[00:29:58] Venue shopping.

[00:30:00] That's the rigging.

[00:30:01] Now, if you're going to tell me that you would have no problem being tried by a jury of MAGA

[00:30:06] folks, Jeff Jackson, would you object to that?

[00:30:11] A bunch of hardcore partisan.

[00:30:15] Donald Trump lovers.

[00:30:18] In the jury box against you.

[00:30:21] Would you be OK with that?

[00:30:22] Would you feel like, I'm not so sure I'd trust these folks to be completely on the up and

[00:30:27] up all of them, you know.

[00:30:30] And finding a jurisdiction where 90 plus percent of the population is registered Democrat and

[00:30:36] voted for the defendant's opponent.

[00:30:41] And the defendant happens to be a pretty well known and polarizing person.

[00:30:48] It's not beyond the pale to suggest that maybe, maybe there was a little bit of teensy

[00:30:55] weensy little bit of.

[00:30:58] Venue shopping, he said, I just thought that behavior really targeting the jury is well

[00:31:05] beneath what we should expect from an attorney general, especially when we're talking about

[00:31:08] someone who's never prosecuted a single case.

[00:31:10] He keeps hammering away.

[00:31:12] Never prosecute a single case.

[00:31:14] Which by the way, the attorney general, as I understand it, does not actually prosecute

[00:31:17] the cases.

[00:31:18] He doesn't go into Josh Stein, doesn't go into court and prosecute people.

[00:31:23] But once again, Jeff Jackson accuses Bishop of what?

[00:31:27] Targeting the jury.

[00:31:29] When Bishop actually was targeting what?

[00:31:33] The prosecutor.

[00:31:35] He was targeting selective and vindictive prosecution.

[00:31:40] That's what he was talking about.

[00:31:42] That was clear, I thought, from the conversation.

[00:31:46] But then all of a sudden I see everybody being outraged and then I remembered, oh, that's

[00:31:49] right.

[00:31:50] Dan Bishop is a Republican.

[00:31:51] So that's why this is an outrage for Democrats and the media.

[00:31:56] But I repeat myself, much like Byron Donalds.

[00:31:59] He found himself on the defensive this week as Democrats were attacking him for comments

[00:32:04] he made the night before praising black families under the era of racial segregation in America.

[00:32:11] Well, obviously, you should attack him for praising black families during racial segregation,

[00:32:16] right?

[00:32:17] How dare he praise black families during segregation?

[00:32:19] Wait, what?

[00:32:20] Hang on a second.

[00:32:21] That doesn't make any sense.

[00:32:24] During Jim Crow, the black family was together, he said.

[00:32:28] More black people were not just conservative because black people have always been conservative

[00:32:31] minded, but more black people voted conservatively, he said.

[00:32:35] This is what he's talking about.

[00:32:37] And anybody who listens to conservative talk radio knows exactly what he means.

[00:32:41] He's talking about the nuclear family remaining strong and intact until government programs

[00:32:49] came in and blew up the family unit.

[00:32:54] That's what Byron Donalds is talking about.

[00:32:57] I understood it.

[00:33:00] Most Republicans understand it.

[00:33:01] We've heard these arguments before.

[00:33:03] The fact that the folks at Politico who reported this, they've never heard this argument or

[00:33:10] they have heard it and they're just trying to shade the truth for you.

[00:33:14] So you if you've not heard it, you take away an impression that he's somehow praising Jim

[00:33:18] Crow era.

[00:33:20] That's absurd.

[00:33:21] Bad faith.

[00:33:22] All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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