Re-litigating vote fraud because reasons (10-25-2024--Hour3)

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[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_04]: End of the last hour, got a call from Jimmy. He brought up this same topic. I've talked with him before about it. He sent me the website. I went or he told me about the website. I went and looked it up. This was, I don't know, a year ago. And in going through all of the links as I was scrolling through and doing the lateral research that I do onto the links on the site that he said, it became clear to me that a lot of the stuff was

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_04]: was just, it's user-generated and it's not, it doesn't have any kind of supporting credibility. That was my assessment of that research. And again, how much time am I going to devote to reading this user-generated content that doesn't have any kind of legal value versus allowing people in the states that were affected by this stuff to pursue it themselves and wait for determinations for people that do have their

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_04]: time to go in the time to go in the time to go in and do that stuff. Look, on the whole stolen thing, 2020 election, I have been, I think, pretty clear that I consider there to be rigging that occurred. The rigging was from Democrats and media, but I repeat myself, in the throttling of information, right? The Steele dossier crap, the lawfare, the collusive agreements with the COVID pandemic,

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_04]: rules and such. There was, it was a multi-pronged strategy from the left in order to get Trump out. Now, there was also fraud. Absolutely. Because every single election has fraud. Everyone. No matter where. That's my default assumption that there is always some amount of fraud everywhere. No system is perfect, especially ones that are created by human beings and operated by human beings.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_04]: You're not going to get a perfect system, especially when you create all the carve-outs that we have in our system. So yes, that does occur. But the evidence that people present in the just asking questions crowd, like that, just asking a question is not proof. That's a lead, right? To me, that's a lead. It's like, okay, go track it down. I'm not going to go track. I'm just like being honest with you.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Like people who expect me to go and track down the Pennsylvania ballot time stamps and videos and like all of that stuff. I'm not going to do it. I'm just telling you, I'm not going to do it.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Now you can do it if you would like to do that. You want to, you know, devote the time and effort to monitoring every single ballot that was cast and collected and counted and the chain of custody on all the Pennsylvania ballots. Go for it. I'm not telling you not to.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But in order to then make those, make those arguments and present that evidence, there has to be some standard for credibility. And so I usually rely on courts for that. And it doesn't, and like, oh, I did a procedural and that's, we couldn't get the evidence and all of that stuff. Okay. But it still leaves me in a position of not having the ability to have any confidence in the credibility of the people that, and the information that was obtained.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_04]: That's me. That's just me. You can have a different opinion. I don't, I don't say you shouldn't have that opinion. I'm telling you to have a different opinion. I'm just saying for me, but there is also part of this that nobody ever really likes to address.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'll address it because that's kind of what I do, but I'll address it, which is that people don't want to acknowledge the possibility that Donald Trump actually did lose.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_04]: There is a not, there is a not small portion of the Republican voters that do not want to acknowledge that Trump lost, that the possibility even exists for whatever reasons.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to ascribe motive for that, but it's become obvious to me over the last four years that there are a lot, there's a group of people that don't want to have to say that he lost, by the way, most prominently, Donald Trump.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, you can, I've seen this argument also, by the way, that, that this has been a, a strategy, sort of like a long-term play by Trump.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, that if you, and I'm not sure of this, I'm just letting you know, like I've seen this, this, this theory war gamed out, if you will, that if you knew you were losing, you knew you were going to lose, you do these things, you say these things in order to create the environment for you to run for re-election as the underdog, as the one who was wronged, as the victim of the system, right?

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So, again, I don't know if he was, if this was part of some long-term strategy.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I've not seen any indication that that's the case, but that's a theory that is out there.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_04]: There's also the theory that Donald Trump just personally, you know, he talks about losers and that sort of thing, and so he doesn't like losers.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_04]: He made a comment about Pat McCrory, right, when he endorsed Ted Budd.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_04]: But Pat McCrory, you can't, you can't nominate someone who's lost two elections, right?

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So, if that's the standard, then he wouldn't want to apply it to himself because he lost the election, right?

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_04]: So, just deny you lost the election, and then the standard doesn't have to apply to you, right?

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_04]: So, like, that's a theory too.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_04]: But all of that stuff is in the past.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_04]: All of that stuff was four years ago.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not telling you don't keep looking at it, don't do more research.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_04]: If you want to do that, like I said, go do it.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_04]: It's totally fine by me.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't care.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_04]: It's your life.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a libertarian, right?

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Do what you want.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But, if you're going to devote all of that time and attention to that election simply to make arguments about what happened, but then do nothing to alter the course for the now, then I do question whether that's time well spent.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So, that's why I always advise people to get involved, to learn what the system is in your location, whether it's North Carolina, South Carolina, wherever you're listening to this program.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, get involved and become a poll worker, watcher, whatever.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Go get hired by the Board of Elections.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Work in the elections office.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I knew people, they're not, I don't know if they're there anymore, it was, you know, 20 years ago, but in the Mecklenburg County Board of Elections, I knew people who, well, let's just say this.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_04]: They listened to this station because they appreciated the content.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And I know that that might be completely mind-blowing for some people to consider, but there are, in fact, people who are of a certain political persuasion that is in the minority in Mecklenburg County now, but they actually do work in some of these government agencies.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So, I would trust some of them.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I would, so, you want more of those people to be in different positions.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So, if you are worried about, you know, election integrity, I always advise people, get involved.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Because then you could be the eyes that see the fraud and then blow the whistle.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's what I'm trying to do here, but I got to focus on the stuff that's here, like North Carolina.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't be an expert in all 50 state election laws, and I'm so far away from Pennsylvania and Georgia.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't, there's nothing I can do about that.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I only have 24 hours in the day, you know?

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And three of them, I'm on the air.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So, all right.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Gary, welcome to the program.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, Gary.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: How you doing, Pete?

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, I'm all right.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_04]: What's up?

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you know, it's funny you just had that whole segment on, you know, truth and not truth on sites.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I got an email this morning.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a York County resident at 1054.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's saying, check your ballot.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Breaking news.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: We've had multiple reports of vote flips due to calibration errors.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It says it's flipping yeses to nos.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It's flipping Trumps to Harris.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty interesting.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you hope this is all behind you, but here it is again, right in our face.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Where is the, and so you say you got an email.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Who was the email from?

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's York County GOP, which I'm a member of.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So it came from the county Republican website or email account?

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That's correct.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Direct from their account.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: What did they, what did they, so what are they asking for?

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: They're telling you once, you know, you get the printout to look at it before you hand it to them to make sure that nothing's been flipped.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So does York County use the machines?

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_04]: They're using machines or are they using like Scantrons or something?

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So you, you know, punch it in on the digital screen.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It prints out your ticket and then the ticket goes in.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So, yep.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And the last line of this says, please thoroughly check your ballots during marking after you print it from the ballot marking device.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_04]: No, that's good advice.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Look, I, it is good advice.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Every time I vote, I give my machine a workout.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Every time.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I go in, I change, I vote for A, then change it to B and go back and forth multiple times.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And I keep watching that little, that little tape, you know, to show that it's actually making the corrections.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_04]: So I want, I'm trying to identify any problems on that machine.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So if they're getting reports that machines are changing votes, that's a, that's a very, that's a big deal.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Then those machines are, are messed up.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_04]: They need to be taken offline and not allowed either repaired and the people whose votes have been affected that need to be identified.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But good for you telling me that, too.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I go in there, I vote, I walk out.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never paid attention.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But now I clearly will.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Because like you're saying, I will watch my screen and I will check my ticket before I hand it in.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_01]: They're asking you to report it.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: No, that's good.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Gary, I appreciate the call.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_04]: That's York County.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_04]: York County, South Carolina.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Gary says he's got the email.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll see about if they've got anything on their website or an email that they've blasted out that I've got as well.

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[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Got a Pete tweet.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if this is Jimmy or not.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_04]: They go by Truthseeker99.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Pete Callender generally has great perspective.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, thank you.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate that.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yet he refused to acknowledge there was fraud in 2020, which I actually did not refuse to acknowledge fraud.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I literally said there's fraud in every single election.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I mentioned the rigging that occurred prior to, for the four years prior, the pandemic stuff and all of that.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And said that the information on hereistheevidence.com was not credible.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Judge for yourself.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Doubt he even looked at the site.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, you can have your own opinion about what I did or didn't do.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I can tell you what I did do, which is I did look at the site.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I did go and look at the links that were provided by the people that had posted them up there.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And I found many of the links to be just not credible.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's just me.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_04]: You can have a different opinion.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_04]: That's fine.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I will also say that there's a thing called the red mirage.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I think red mirage.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the red mirage.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the term that has been coined over the years for what happens on election night, which is you have people that go and vote in person.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_04]: So early voting dominated by Democrats.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Because especially in the last four years.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_04]: You've had Donald Trump out there telling Republicans don't vote except on election day, which is just not good advice.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I've explained this many times.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_04]: If you know you're going to vote for a particular candidate or candidates, you're going to vote Republican up and down the ballot.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing that they say or do is going to change your opinion.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_04]: You're going to vote come hell or high water for Republicans.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Just go ahead and do it whenever you can early.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And then the party and the candidates don't have to waste their time reaching out to you anymore because you voted.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And if for some reason you cannot get to the polling place on election day, your vote is banked.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It just makes sense.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, if you don't trust the system and you're like, I'm going to vote and they're going to throw away my votes or whatever.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, then I don't know how voting on the day of is going to give you any different result for that.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But what happens is because you have the early voting made up of a lot of Democrats, then election day, the total start coming in.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And that gap narrows.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So when you're right.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So when the polls close, seven thirty and then you would get the early voting numbers and everybody like, OK, this is the margin that we're behind.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And Republican strategists and consultants and candidates know that they need to be within a certain striking distance, basically, of Democrats going into the election day total count.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_04]: So they don't want to be so far behind in the early votes that they can't ever overcome.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: They can't they can't overcome the the early vote totals.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And they know what those numbers are down to the precincts.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_04]: These people, they know all of the numbers, all the precincts, all the districts.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And so they know what that gap needs to be.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So closing the gap early gives gives them more encouragement when the polls close.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_04]: They see those numbers.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So then the voting starts, the votes start getting counted on election night and those tend to favor Republicans.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Generally, because more Republicans turn out on election day, but sometimes they don't.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes Republicans don't turn out for whatever reason.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't think it's important.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't like what's going on, whatever.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_04]: They're demoralized.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_04]: There are all sorts of reasons why people don't show up and vote on election day.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And so usually people who are working the polls for the parties and candidates, they will know.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Pat McCrory will tell you that when he went to he was going around on election day and he was looking at the number of people that had turned out to vote in the first time he ran for governor and he lost against Bev Perdue.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_04]: He said there was no there was like no turnout.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And he said, we're we're cooked.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_04]: They could tell early in the day that this was not going to be a good day for them because the turnout was so low in heavy Republican precincts and and and districts.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So then what happens is normally you've got Democrat early votes.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_04]: You get Republicans that close that gap and sometimes even surpass.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. And all I'm talking about here is North Carolina, because, again, I'm not an expert in all the other states.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, I don't follow all of their elections and how they're counted and all that stuff.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But traditionally here in Charlotte, Mecklenburg and in North Carolina, you have this this buildup on election day vote totals of Republican votes that come in.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you will have precinct boxes that get delivered to the board of elections and those precinct ballots then get counted there.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And so when you have very large precincts, which I have objected to there being really large precincts, there need to be smaller sort of uniform precincts.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So this way, each precinct has about the same number of people like that.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_04]: In my view, that's a better system.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's a whole different argument.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_04]: But you've got some and I'll tell you, one of them is the Macquarie YMCA precinct and that precinct.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_04]: The Macquarie Y almost every single time they show up really late.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_04]: The numbers come in late and it's a big box and it's like ninety nine percent Democrat every single time.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And so what happens that the the gap or the the margin there that the Republicans are enjoying gets wiped out because the Macquarie YMCA,

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_04]: not named after Pat McCrory, but that box comes in and gets counted.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And that flips it.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_04]: That's not evidence of fraud.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_04]: It's evidence of counting.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_04]: That's it.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I'm not saying there isn't fraud.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if there's fraud or not.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_04]: If you've got evidence of that, then we should see it.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's why that number flips like that in Charlotte Mecklenburg.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And so let's go over and talk with Doug.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, Doug.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to the show.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Pete.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, first time caller.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome, sir.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy your show.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with you that we shouldn't be relitigating the last election.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_00]: But I couldn't help when I was listening to the fellow from New York County with the voting problem at the booth.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_00]: A wife, a colleague of mine, her husband voted yesterday in Min Hill.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And where has he voted for president?

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: But when he looked at his card to put it in the spot, it said he hadn't voted for president.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So he had to flag somebody down and they had him revote.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So whether the machine made a mistake or he screwed up, it's hard to say.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's just one of those things.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_00]: People should look and make sure they're getting the votes that they put on the machine.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And so because if he had not done that, whether so, yeah, I think you're right.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you got a couple options, right?

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Number one is that he just he missed it.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Like he thought he pressed the button, but he actually didn't or whatever.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So he got it corrected.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But more importantly, if there is a problem with that particular machine not taking account of the vote,

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_04]: then that needs to be identified right then and there.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So this way they can go and fix the machine or take it offline.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it's not a question of deliberate.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of these things are malfunctions, I would hope.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I hope there's you would hope that's the case because they haven't proven anything otherwise.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, like I said, there are people that work in these systems, in these agencies that want a clean election.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And they are that's what motivates them to keep doing the work that they are doing.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I know some I mean, I've known some of these people over the years.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_04]: They want a clean election and they don't want the machines.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Look, the last thing that people want is that that run these elections.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_04]: The last thing they want is to be the center of attention for a national crap storm where, you know,

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_04]: they're getting death threats from people because there are accusations that they've rigged the election machines.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't want that.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And so.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So I again, I look at people's incentives.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_04]: So maybe there are people that are absolutely trying to game the system.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And the way you guard against that is to, as you said, make sure your ballot is filled out correctly before you drop it in the box for it to be counted.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's for people to volunteer or get hired on to go and help the administration of the elections.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_04]: So, Doug, I appreciate the call.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I say this all the time, right?

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_04]: If good people, competent people do not engage in the system and do not participate and do not volunteer and offer their services and expertise and competencies,

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_04]: then we will end up being governed by people that are bad and incompetent.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_04]: It will be no other way.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So, like, I encounter this all the time in different facets of my life where it's like if we're identifying problems, then, well, how do we fix that?

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's go fix it.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_04]: George.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, George.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, how's it going?

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_03]: What's up?

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, you have a wonderful show and you're doing a spectacular job.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You are both informative and entertaining and I appreciate you.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, thanks.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I only strive for one of those two.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So, it's nice if I can hit both.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: You're doing both very well.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate it.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_03]: So, I have to tread a little lightly here because I don't want to offend anybody and I don't want to make any accusations.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And I know you say make your assertion up front and I don't really have one.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But it took me four times to get my early voting done.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I got it done Monday night.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It still took me two hours.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But while I made it in the building and was standing in the hallway, I observed a group of, and it was probably eight or ten of them, but they were disabled mentally.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what they were.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It was obvious they were something.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And they were kind of being herded by three young women.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't think much about it at the time.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And then my wife and I got talking about it and we Googled it and it says states, you know, basically what you get.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: States all make their own different rules on disabled people and how they can vote and how they vote and blah, blah, blah.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But it made me think of when you talked a couple election cycles ago about the ballot harvesting.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember the guy's name who's now doing it nationally.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm thinking, what about people in nursing homes or these types of things?

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they may have been on a field trip and just observing the election.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But I can't imagine a couple of them couldn't find the exit.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't imagine they were actually in there voting.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what the rules are in North Carolina?

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I know there is a prohibition on mentally handicapped people.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I know that.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't know the degree.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't know what the legal standard is to actually say, no, you can't vote.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And did you see them go vote or no?

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I just saw them in the hallway heading towards the exit.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I did not see any of them in a booth.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like I said, they may have been on a field trip.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_03]: They may have just been taking them down and showing them what the process looks like.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't want to make an assertion there.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But it made me start thinking because of the whole ballot harvesting thing we had a few cycles ago.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and so, no, it's a fair question to ask because that stuff does happen.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_04]: That kind of harvesting does happen.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: We had the example here in Mecklenburg County years ago.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_04]: It was inside the Democrat Party where they had a sheriff's race that became open.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And a guy named Nick Mackey literally went to the nursing homes and got Democrats to vote for him for sheriff.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_04]: It was an internal Democrat Party election.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And he brought the ballots in there and he got these elderly people, some of whom probably did not know what they were voting about.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And, yeah, it's a problem, which is – I mean, that's why –

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Who was that Democrat lawyer that was doing that for a while?

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember his name.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Mark Elias.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Mark Elias.

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I was going crazy all afternoon trying to recall that.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's a big fan of those operations – well, when Democrats do them, actually, just in that case.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, George, I appreciate the call.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_04]: That's – yeah, that's why you need people observing at the polling stations to see if there are busloads that show up, right?

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And you've got, you know, people from the dementia ward or something that show up and they're being directed how to vote.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And you would catch that if you've got poll workers, observers, right, that can see something happening and then make a note of it, register the complaint.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So, like, that's – once again, though, that takes people to be the eyes on the ground to watch for those kinds of abuses.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Because, look, the more powerful government becomes, right, the greater the benefit to fraud becomes.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And so, if you have people that are constantly trying to get government bigger and more powerful, then you end up incentivizing greater risks to influence those outcomes.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_04]: That's why – and, look, politicians have known this from the beginning.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, North Carolina was, you know, run by the Democrat machine for 100-plus years, and they did it with patronage.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you had people that were literally dependent on these government officials and their jobs, right?

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And you got the jobs because you were a Democrat and you would donate money to the politicians' campaigns.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You did not get hired in county work, city work, state work if you were not registered Democrat and not, you know, a reliable vote for the machine.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And so, people have known this.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So, those were the incentives at the time.

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_04]: So, as government takes over more and more things, then people have to – they've got greater incentive to cheat the system to get the power because the government's more impact on our lives.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Early voting lasts, like, two weeks or something, I think, 17 days, something like that, in North Carolina.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And we probably don't need all of that.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I also have – I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago, and somebody else has asked me about it.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Now they're starting to ask questions out in Buncombe County where they've restricted the early voting to 9 to 5.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_04]: All of the surrounding counties, it's all, like, 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. or something, or 7 p.m.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And Buncombe County seat, you know, the county seat being Asheville, they need to be having that – those same hours.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Because this is the way Democrats used to rig the early voting.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_04]: They would do it by hours.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_04]: They would make it during these compressed time frames where people who, you know, go to work 9 to 5 wouldn't be able to go and early vote.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So it needs to be early in the morning through the evening so people can go before and after work.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody's got enough time.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_04]: But you don't need all the days, I don't think, because you usually see a big spike at the beginning,

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you have a big spike at the end of the early voting period,

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and then in the middle it's just kind of, you know, there's not a lot of turnout in the middle.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_04]: But, yes, shorter lines on Election Day happen because you've got people that have already gone and voted.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So they're not there on Election Day.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So it makes it easier for people to vote on Election Day itself.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Email from Peter says shorter lines likely help get more votes received,

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and so that's a good thing in conservative areas for Republican candidates.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Just a point I haven't heard made before.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's a good point.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, let me go over and get John.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, John.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to the show.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, what's going on?

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, how you doing?

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Just fine.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that bedeviled me, and I don't see anybody else bringing it up,

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: but, for example, I live in Indian land.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So the last time I went to vote, I had a touchscreen where I, you know, had to make all my selections.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It asks you to review them.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That's, you know, fine.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But then that touchscreen turns it into some kind of printed thing.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That I have to carry over to somebody else.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That they feed into some other machine.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And then presumably that data is transported to some other central location where it is then downloaded and processed.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_02]: How did we get to this point?

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought the object was to just count votes.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, but you can't count the votes at the polling station.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_04]: You got to bring the ballots to the elections board.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Because if you start allowing the precincts to count the votes there, then that becomes problematic.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Because now you've got, you know, in Mecklenburg County, you got like 300 precincts, right?

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Understood.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_04]: So you don't want to open that door up for everybody to be counting at all these different places at different times.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So they have always brought them back to the central board of elections.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_04]: They would count all the votes there.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Go back to 2000.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm talking more.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, 2000 is when they brought in the machines after the Florida debacle.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_04]: They brought in the machines.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And I remember like going through this process where they were putting out the bids and they were looking at the different machines to buy and all of that.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And so they had to have a machine that would give a record.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's auditable.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_04]: That's why.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking also about the media.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I'm using this media.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's changed to another media, which goes to another media.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's, you know, back in the day, what?

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: We filled out paper ballots and then boxes of those ballots went to a place and they were counted.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_02]: The only weak lake would be the transport.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But now it's like changing over and over.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And the people counting it, too.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I could take that was the whole thing with the Florida election was the hanging chads and all of that stuff.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And people trying to determine what counted, what didn't.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, there's there's always an element for this kind of chicanery.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Always.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_04]: That'll do it for this episode.

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