Radicalization and the ICE shooting (01-08-2026--Hour3)

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I forgot who it was though. But he's got a write up today about this Ice shooting and what's really going on. This is a this is a this is an outcome of a larger operation. Okay, and you see it, and once you can once you see it, you can't unsee it. And that's where I'm at, whether it's the tent to fada right or it's the hands up, don't shoot stuff. By the way, I saw the Heritage Foundation, one of their scholars was talking in an interview about how the Black Lives Matter movement apparently got seated with some millions of dollars from Hugo Chavez years before we saw the street fights. And the BLM movement emerge. Hugo chab has died what a decade ago or less little almost a decade ago. The point was to foment dissent and street violence and protests. It's a destabilization effort. And this is right out of the Soviet playbook. Okay. They they had a play They had a list of things that they when you know, when the when the Soviet Union fell and we got all of this information out of the Kremlin, when they published all of these secret files and reports and stuff. We know what they were doing. And by the way, our government does this through the Color Revolutions and the State Department. You foment dissent against the against the ruling regime. So let me go over to James's write up. Minnesota has provided us with yet another good example of the communist and radical principle of your target's reaction is your real action. I mentioned this in the last hour as well. The action is to induce the reaction, which is a key strategic tactic. For many months, Ice and other federal law enforcement, not to mention Trump himself, have been made out to be the kinds of tyrants that have to be stopped at almost any cost, including by reckless citizen actions like obstructing law enforcement, resisting arrest, throwing things. At police, etc. Et cetera, et cetera. All of it is framed out in ridiculous false narratives designed to come true at the moment of crisis, at which point they will then seize control of the narrative to drive specific pre planned action. Right, you foment the discent, the disruption, the violence. Then when you get the reaction, you then claim victim. My god, I can't believe they did this to us. Here's what we demand now. In this case, the false narratives are not just about the status of federal law enforcement and ICE, but also about their alleged unwillingness to work with or coordinate with local and state police who have behind the scenes been ordered to be non compliant, if not softly antagonistic. Right, we just heard this very thing from Tim Walls the governor. Christy Nome at Homeland Security has pointed out that the governor and the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry, that they have refused to cooperate with ICE, and now they're demanding cooperation from ICE, right, so they refuse to cooperate. That allows them to paint ICE as the villain. This is called operational preparation of the environment. Operational preparation of the environment. In the unrestricted or political warfare environment in which radicals today do their work. The model they are using is called reflexivity. George Soros has described it in his terms as shoelace dialectic. This is their theory of change. This is how do we go about overthrowing Western society, overthrowing free market capitalism. How do we go about doing it? Reflexivity, You sort of create this environment, you prepare operationally, prepare the environment so when the spark occurs, you are then able to take advantage of that and destabilize. The goal is always to create antagonistic situations between citizens who can be framed as fighting a noble anti oppression cause, and ice who can be framed as engaging in unwelcome oppression. By ordering local and state police to be uncooperative, not only do the operations fall more heavily on federal law enforcement, but also several other things are achieved, Like locals can be led to believe that federal law enforcement is operating outside the bounds of the more local law against the wishes of their state and locality, which they are led to believe hold sovereignty. You just heard Tim Wall say that too. We believe in states' rights. Right. This is the frame through which these protesters, demonstrators, observers leftists, agitators. This is what they view this issue through. This is the lens that they are using. Because they are led to believe the Feds are operating outside the bounds of the local laws. This generates a conflict between the supremacy clause and the Constitution and state law enforcement, and citizens are led to believe that that renders the federal law enforcement officers out of line. That's why I keep bringing this back to this idea that they do not want the federal immigration laws enforced. And you heard Mike in the previous hoary called in and said, no, no, no, it's the way they're doing it. No, it's not it is not. See. I will not be gas lit by people who either don't understand what is occurring here or are actively part of what is going on here. Local and state police are not usually openly antagonistic. That thereby creates an illusion of resistance to the Feds, and they cannot actually fulfill because of their roles shifting responsibility than to the activists to the citizens right. So local and state cops can't be openly antagonistic because that would create this obvious image of nullification, so they all fload that onto the activist crowd. Circumstances where local citizens are believed to be on the side of the rightful law against oppressive alien law and may expect diminished or no consequences for resisting the alien law even though it is actually supreme. He says there are more that we could think of, I'm sure, but a key point is that the leadership in states like Minnesota know that they are creating this powder keg of citizens versus federal law enforcement. In this case, it's ICE while spreading various agitating narratives like fascism, protecting communities and neighbors right, they are primary. They are the primary willful bad actors in this situation, together with some professional and other paid agitators who take things to the next level out on the streets. The goal is to get citizens to obstruct and even threaten or attack ICE, which in effect creates a decision dilemma for ICE and federal law enforcement. Either they can stand down and thus negate the supremacy clause and fail to do their jobs, or they can act within their authority and seek to arrest and detain the people obstructing their lawful mandate that the States are resisting less directly and more through engineered chicanery. He uses a different word there, I'll say chicanery or Shenanigan's right. This is the decision that Democrat politicians and they're sick offants. This is the decision that they are trying to force the federal government to make. This is why the nullification crisis in the fourth turning the crisis phase. This is why it becomes so dangerous because Neither one of these authorities are going to take the off rim They're both going to keep pressing their authority. Once this happens in an enough times, statistics kind of take over. Some proportion of those antagonistic account encounters will go sideways. Eventually you'll find a federal law enforcement agent that does something either reasonably or unreasonably to frame it. Then it will be framed as an illegitimate overreaction and initiate the reflexive campaign on what looks like firm footing. This reflexivity dialectic works by generating the conditions for chaos and then placing down guideposts through the chaos once the chaos arises. Does that make sense? Right? And this is the same principle as the antidote is made in the same lab as the illness. Right, you create the chaos and then say follow me, I will restore order. I will lead you through this case. Us, you just have to give up some of your freedoms. You just have to give up some of the things that you enjoyed, or the way of life you had before, or whatever. That's the theory of change. See, you know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things. To understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. 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Reading through James Lindsay's take on what we're seeing, what we're well, what is happening, but what a lot of people aren't seeing. With regard to the ice shooting up in Minneapolis yesterday. In nineteen ninety two, George Soros wrote a book called The Alchemy of Finance. In the very first chapter, he talks about this theory of change and what he calls reflexivity dialectic. And you generate the conditions for chaos, and then you place down guideposts his word, through the chaos once it arises. Right, create the chaos, and then show people the way through. The goal is to generate chaotic environments in which historical change his term, can occur, and then to shape the outcome of that change when it arrives by leading people to believe certain things about the chaotic environment they're in that gets them to take specific actions that they would not otherwise take. In this case, the points of the reflexive campaign are really obvious because they keep saying them over and over and over again, which is what well, we just heard it. Get Ice out of Minnesota, which would also have the benefit of protecting their rampant fraud that they've been engaged in. Right. Also, impeachments maybe of Secretary Gnome, maybe somebody else, I don't know, take down a political rival, so then they can demand a more compliant replacement. Maybe these are classic Bolshevik moves, use Soros's media based reflexive dialectic as the mechanism, and as Governor, Tim Walls made clear he's willing to try to induce a profound crisis by naming Minnesota as being at war with the federal government. That's what he said yesterday in his press conference. We've never been at war with the federal government like we are now. We have been states have gone to war against the federal government. It was called the Civil War. You, being a history teacher, should know that. By the way, not for nothing, Tim Walls chose the anniversary of the timm And Square massacre to get married and did a teaching program over in communist China. He is a big fan of the Communist Chinese has been for decades. We talked about this when he was named veep. I'm sure he learned nothing from the Communists in China though, anyway, he says. Lindsay says that Walls is willing to induce a profound crisis by naming Minnesota as being at war with the federal government and threatening to attempt to deploy the National Guard against federal law enforcement. That would be a violation of their constitutional oath, which also then creates a constitutional crisis and is frankly direct insurrection, and he should probably be prosecuted for that. But this puts the Trump administration in a similar dilemma as the ICE agents are in. Right, they're forcing the reaction. It forces the Trump administration to make a decision. You either deal with. Waltz on these terms and trigger a huge, falsely justified reaction on the left, or you let him get away with what amounts to insurrection to avoid the trap. The stakes are very high. He says. So there's the Minnesota what he's calling the Ice Floyd syop, instead of the George Floyd's Ice Floyd. There's the Minnesota Ice Floyd syop. In a nutshell, they've used the reaction of the Ice officer to justify not just this campaign, but the direct actions in the streets, which are coordinated, funded and ready to be activated in the same way the National Guard is on standby and to activate it with a certain population, most of whom are on the left, and it will work for them. That's what's happening. That's not what people recognize is happening because our education systems were taken over. These institutions were taken over by the people who employ these very tactics, and they don't want to teach anybody to see through these tactics, but they are interested in teaching people how to employ these tactics to be good little activists. Right, Uh, let me go over to Oh, actually, before I do that, let me go. I saw this on Twitter last night. Written up by mimetic Sisyphus, who says, I think a lot of radicalization happens in spaces where it's just all talk. Everything is hypothetical. It's easy to LARP as a revolutionary. LARP means live action role playing. So when you hear somebody call somebody a LARPer, right, that's what they're It's just they're they're play acting. So it's easy to LARP as a revolutionary, as somebody who stands against depression. There's a lack of seriousness about it all. You start to believe the memes, you start to believe you're the hero, you're the main character. Then you convince yourself to do something really dumb, like pull your car in front of police officers. They draw their guns and the larp crumbles. You're not that person. This is real life and those are real guns. Nothing but getting the hell out of here, screams in her brain. She probably didn't see the officer standing in front of her car as she smashes the gas. Now the officers can't know this. Of course, they don't know what she's thinking. They just know when guns are drawn, telling her to get out of the vehicle. She slammed the gas in the direction of an officer. See, they're not in a larp. Their job is real. They encounter people who want to kill them, so they fire. No one in this woman's life told her that she's on a destructive LARP. She was encouraged by her peer group viral videos of similarly similarly lost radical LARPers getting nothing but praise online. Politicians calling the in force of our laws akin to Nazis, calling them illegitimate, calling them evil, telling their citizens to make their voices heard. Everyone in her life failed her. She needed somebody to tell her to grow up. Instead, she had no one, and now she's dead. A horrible case of internet radicalization. Rob Province, writer out of Tennessee, says this isn't a game and Democrats need to stop telling their voters to go out and do things that'll get them killed. Will they all right? Holiday football has arrived. Right With Draft Kings sportsbook and official sports betting partner of the NFL, the unexpected can turn game day into payday. And don't forget Draft Kings as you're back with early exit. Pretty neat function here. If your player goes down in the first half, you still get paid in cash. Download the Draft King sports book app. And use the code PETE. That's code pete. 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I don't believe it's that. I'll explain in a minute. It seems like the protesters around the country were already ready for the marching orders. This is so well orchestrated and produced. I just wouldn't believe any darn story that comes out of Minnesota. Okay, So first, why is it, in my opinion, not a false flag? Okay, because it's not doing anything that would empower the authorities, the federal government. Right. False flag would be if like they brought somebody in on their own to attack or murder an ice agent in order to induce some sort of reaction. That would be a false flag. This is, as I described, operational preparation of the environment. So to your point, when you say that it seems like it's well orchestrated, it is. It's not a false flag operation. It is operational prep for the environment. As James Lindsay described, this is part of the political warfare environment that radicals do their work in today. They're you know, this is their theory of change, their reflexivity dialectic. That's that's how you get things to change and people to agree with you doing. I mean, think about the aftermath of George Floyd, right, same thing. You had people in positions of power adopting positions like the defund the police movement. That would be absolutely absurd to have pitched, let alone passed any kind of you know, local rules or ordinances before George Floyd. If you had gotten up there as a local elected at city council and said we need to just disband our police force. We're not going to do policing anymore, nobody would have taken you seriously. However, once you get the spark, once you get the chaos after the spark, then everybody's looking for some semblance of order, or as Soros calls it, guideposts through the chaos. You're now there saying follow me out of the chaos. I know how to get out of the chaos. And the chaos is created by you. Right, you have created this environment for the chaos and then to harness that chaos and provide those guide posts to get your change. That's the theory. It's very similar to Cloward and Piven, just theirs was more of a bureaucratic kind of approach. These lefty social scientists or whatever that crafted the plan back in what the sixties, I guess, and their idea was to overload all of the welfare systems to bang inkrupt the governments that would then create the unrest, and then you offer the guideposts through the chaos and create a universal basic. Income and just hand out money to people. And from there now you're controlling people's money and now you can control them. Right, that's the idea. Again, this is all leftist ideology. It all comes from the same place. Let me see here back to the text line, I don't know what Jesse Ventura would would do as governor. That I don't know. Stan says, what would happen if Donald Trump were to come out now and definitively say, quote, this woman acted stupidly. Yeah, well that's what Obama did. Remember after Lewis Gates, Harvard professor Guy got arrested because he was seen breaking into a home turned out to be his own home, and so a neighbor called the cops seeing somebody break into the house. Cop shows up. Lewis Gates throws a tantrum, how dare you? You're a white cop. I'm a black man. Don't you think I can afford this home and all this other stuff? And so the cop arrests him, and Obama comes out immediately and says the cop acted stupidly. And then they had the beer summit. And all of that. Let me see here, this is seven oh four number, Pete. I know you're all about solutions, So how about we trade the state of Minnesota for Greenland. I've heard there have been pitches to swap Minnesota with Alberta. I've heard that they very resource rich and more conservative. Seven oh four number says, can you explain to me how Walls, Tim Wall's governor can threaten to activate a federally funded national guard against the federal law enforcement. No, but that's the point. The point is to create the constitutional crisis. This is at the heart of the immigration enforcement actions as well. Right, it's a constitutional crisis. You have the federal government and attempting to enforce federal law, and you have states and local jurisdictions refusing to comply in an attempt to nullify the federal law without going through the the messy and difficult process of changing the laws. And so they're they're they're there's creating, they're they're preparing operational preparation of the environment. And then you force your opponents to make a decision. Either way, you will be able to claim victory or victim status. And you're the oppressed, you're the righteous, you're the hero, You're the one standing up, you know, for noble purposes. Although I have seen some there's one suggestion that Trump could activate the National Guard, put it under federal control, call up Tim Walls, and if he refuses to follow orders, then you court martial him. Yeah, but that's what I mean. This is how, this is how nullification crises escalate very very quickly into shooting wars, because each side is going to try to force the other to abandon its position. John says caller Mike in the last hour said the quiet part out loud just before you stopped his gas lighting. He said, it's not that Democrats don't want to enforce laws. It's which laws they want to enforce. He said, that's right, he said that right at the very end, they said, and how the being enforced, how they're being I just don't like the look of it. Well, maybe you should have thought of that about that while the last administration was allowing fifteen million people into the country illegally, Paul says, I was hoping that you would lay into Gary. Not my fault, McFadden some more. Well, there's there will be time for that. I am sure. Those who have never served as a first responder do not understand the speed that violent things happen when you are in an incident. The video will not show those things. Yeah, I mean, that's this is what I mean. We can all look at the videos and slow them down and make all sorts of determinations about what we see and all of this. But that officer had less than two seconds to decide whether or not his life was in danger. That's why I recommend like getting out of the car when the cops approach you and say get out of the car, and definitely don't like gun it when one's standing in front of you. All right, if you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events. And I know you do too, and you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. 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The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution. In other words, the cause, whether inner city blacks or women, it's never really the cause, but only an occasion to advance the real cause, which is the accumulation of power to make the revolution. That's from David Horowitz, Barack Obama's rules for Revolution, the Elenski model. Oh maybe it was David Horowitz. Allan says, I would not want Mike representing me in any legal proceedings. Jody says, thanks for continuing to educate us. Pete, You're welcome. I'm a giver. What can I say most of us. Most of us have already experienced the George Floyd fiasco, and we're not going to fall for it again. Jeff says, I long for the good old days when everyone was upset about me painting that rock in Charlotte. Either way, I'm thanking Jesus said, I'm thinking Jesus Christ is sad and Satan is happy. David says, did you notice how soon the protesters are on the streets of New York City five hours after Maduro's arrest with professional signs Yeah yeah, protesting in favor of a dictator, a tyrant, a fascist. Right Trump isn't going to allow the lefties to steamroll him, No way, especially from a guy like Walls. That's from Allan. Stanley says. If this keeps up, no one will want Minnesota. We won't even be able to give it away. Let's get something now while we can, And Brian says, you also made a very valid point unless under Obama's rules of engagement, which were horrific. You made the accurate point that if mister kool Aid was correct, and he absolutely was not, you don't have to wait till the cry strikes you, but clearly did strike the officer. Or the car. You don't have to wait until the car strikes you, but it clearly did strike the officer. Thank you for benching mister kool Aid. I guess that was caller Mike. I served twenty five years in CPDCMPD. Thank you, Brian for your service. Appreciate it. Let me jump over here and get Clark on the program. Hello Clark, Hey, Pete, how are you today? Good sir, how are you? I'm good? Listen. I talked to you about a year ago, but this first time since you guys switched over to eleven ten. But I said this the first time I talked to you. But for the new listeners out there, we have the best one two punch in the nation when it comes to talk raady with you, Brett, I appreciate that. So, hey, jd. Vance was just on a national press conference. I saw clip of this. Yeah, yeah, he. Just yeah, he just announced a new attorney general position is going to be created in the next probably week to ten days, and it's going to be primarily to investigate all this anti ice and also the fraud that's been going on and you know, throughout the country. But that was one thing I wanted to point out, and then the other thing the press. He really kind of hit it on the head. He's like, the press has looked saying that this woman was going to Harris Teeter and she, oh, that's a protest over there, so I'm going to stop by, and he's like, she, you know, she was impeding federal law. So there's a reason behind the activities. So my main question is this, why can't the FED go in and shut these sanctuary cities down? Well, I think it's because well, number one, I think that's what these ice operations are intending to do without doing it in a full frontal assault like that, right, Like they're going in and doing the enforcement because the locals are refusing to cooperate, and because of previous litigation where states have tried to make the federal government enforce immigration law under the Biden administration, for example, when you had states like Texas that sued to try to force Biden to do immigration enforcement and border protection and it went through the courts and the court said the states can't. The states can't do this. This is the federal responsibility. So now that they got Trump in there, now Trump is saying, well, this is our responsibility. So we're going to take full responsibility and do it now. One thing they could do is withhold all federal funding to sanctuary cities. Like that is one way to do it, and I would be okay with that. There would be litigation about it, I'm sure, But if you're not willing to comply with federal law and you're actively obstructing it, then it seems to me like that would be that would be a course of action. Well, hopefully something's going to be done soon, you know. Yeah, But I appreciate that I was just kind of unsure on like why they just don't go ahead and just go in and change everything quickly. But well, well, I mean, so what in your mind? What would that look like in your mind? I don't know laws, and I don't know, you know, state by state, but from a federal standpoint, I would assume that if you're doing anything against the United States of America, especially the people like all these anti protests and you know, basically not turning in illegal immigrants over to Ice everything like that, why could they just not get in. I don't know what the process would be, but to me, that's so anti American, right. But you can't go in. I mean, so are you saying you go in and arrest elected officials? Well, that's what they were. That's something that like JD. Vance just kind of highlighted. He said, you know, we're gonna just do attorneystal position is going to go in and look at exactly what's going on, who's funding it in these sanctuary cities, and find out if there's any legal course of action. So he did say that. But I'm not, like I said, I'm not a law expert. Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not either. I just I'm thinking through in a practical way, and I think what it comes down to is if you this creates the very sort of dilemma that James Lindsay was talking about that the Ice shooting has now presented. It's just it's a different question, right. Also with the National Guard deployment, it creates this this decision point that they're they are inducing a reaction, right, They're trying to force the administration to take an action or to react to what they're doing, and then they use that reaction for the chaos because they have already prepared the environment. And you know, if Trump comes in and they try to arrest Tim Walls, then you get more you know, riots and chaos and everything else. Right, So that and then they offer the guide post through the chaos. That's their theory of. Change, gotcha. I think that's the and that's the issue, like do you pick the fight? And a lot of people want, myself included. I would prefer to avoid that kind of a crisis. But if you've got a critical mass of people in the country that are hell bent on forcing that crisis to occur, I don't know how you. I don't know how you avoid it. Well, I think his name is Steven Miller with the administration. Yeah right, yeah, I mean he said, you know, right after what's his name, Kirk, Charlie Kirk assassinated that they were like his and that his only main priority was going to be to go in and go after all of these you know, Soros whoever it is, and try to figure this out and haven't prosecuted. But it's been a while and I really haven't heard anything about that. But you know, we've got to figure this out and get it straightened out. Yeah, no, I agree. I appreciate the call Clark could to hear. I do think they are pursuing the funding mechanisms. They are doing that. Now what they will find and whether they are able to prosecute, we shall see. All right. That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 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