Promoting Palestine by protesting... at Auschwitz (05-06-2024--Hour3)

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[00:00:30] I'm going to wrap up the last hour's conversation. This is Cohen. Welcome to the program Cohen but

[00:00:36] I'm going to need a promise from you. You're not going to say anything that is going to inspire

[00:00:42] a lot more people to call in okay? Yes sir. Alrighty thank you for that. All right that's

[00:00:48] a promise. I'm going to hold you to it. All right what is your comment for the program?

[00:00:52] My comment, I want to piggyback on what Lisa said a while ago. Okay 20 years ago when I was

[00:01:00] applying for my concealed permit and they were taking my fingerprints I said to the police officer

[00:01:05] y'all are probably getting tired of this aren't you? He said no sir we wish more citizens would do

[00:01:11] this. And I worked for the state and I was coming back to the office from an inspection and

[00:01:19] they didn't allow any handguns and state vehicles of course so I got stopped for a license check

[00:01:26] and I showed him my license in my CWP and I said sir I don't have a handgun in the car

[00:01:35] and he got down in my face and said well why the hell not? The bad guys got theirs.

[00:01:43] Well keep on that night. I got my butt chewed out for not carrying a handgun.

[00:01:49] Well yeah but you were not allowed to carry in your state vehicle so

[00:01:54] that's exactly right so I started driving my personal vehicle when I went out on inspections.

[00:01:59] There you go. Yeah it's and I was talking to producer George here during the break that the

[00:02:06] concealed handgun permit holders are some of the most law-abiding population in America because

[00:02:12] to go through all of the trouble and hassle to get the permit in the first place

[00:02:16] anything you do you lose it and so you become very law-abiding because you're trying to protect

[00:02:22] your status as a CHP holder so that's right yeah. Cohen thanks for the call sir I appreciate it.

[00:02:29] Thank you. All right take care and that was a promise fulfilled also

[00:02:34] so I appreciate that all right and then two emails and then I'm moving on two emails.

[00:02:41] Pete says has Sheriff Homicide not my fault McFadden complained about overcrowding at his

[00:02:48] jail anytime recently? I don't think so let's start loading up the jail until he says something

[00:02:53] we can use high cash bail to make that happen yeah yeah you notice that that all of a sudden there

[00:02:59] are no concerns being expressed about overcrowded conditions in the jails

[00:03:08] and John says James and the others that are trying to say guns are just a tool but are not

[00:03:12] dangerous are fearful of the term dangerous being a negative description and I think that's

[00:03:20] accurate I think that's the I think John is exactly right they're afraid of accepting the premise

[00:03:27] for fear of how it's then going to be weaponized against you in the debate right if a gun was

[00:03:32] not dangerous well you would not have to be careful with it right you could let kids play with

[00:03:37] it if it wasn't dangerous a gun is very dangerous which is why you take precautions with them that is

[00:03:43] not to say that they are bad that's just the fact that right they're designed to be dangerous

[00:03:52] a samurai sword is much more dangerous than a butter knife well maybe in your hands

[00:03:58] you've never seen me with a butter knife of course that's really just dangerous to myself

[00:04:04] but with all of the high cholesterol I'm kidding um

[00:04:08] I would handle a samurai sword much differently than I would a butter knife that does not make

[00:04:12] the samurai sword bad but it is more dangerous than a butter knife um Stan wants to know how

[00:04:20] many arguments have you ever won I assume I've never won a single one Stan I assume I have

[00:04:26] never won a single argument so yeah uh then why do we have them once something has evolved from a

[00:04:37] discussion to an okay well all right so now I don't know if you're just splitting hairs on what

[00:04:41] the definition of an argument because I use the term argument as debate I don't mean argument

[00:04:46] as yelling and screaming like we're arguing over like we're mean and you know screaming at

[00:04:50] each other no I when I say arguments we're making arguments it's in like the like

[00:04:56] legal arguments opening arguments kind of thing it's a philosophical argument it's a debate

[00:05:05] it is best to just buy both of you a drink and change the discussion to their kids or

[00:05:09] favorite sport anything but politics or religion you'll probably wind up find wind up finding

[00:05:14] that the two of you have more in common than you know and actually have made make headway

[00:05:18] towards solving the problem um see here's the thing Stan I I can talk about politics religion

[00:05:25] I could talk about this stuff with anybody I have usually people ask me because when they find out

[00:05:33] what I do or they already know who I am I'm out in a you know I'm a private or public setting whatever

[00:05:40] usually what people come up and start talking to me about is current events whatever's in the news

[00:05:46] is what they start talking to me about what do I think about this tell me what's going on with

[00:05:50] that and so we start talking about it and so yes like even when I'm not on the air I'm still having

[00:05:58] these arguments or debates these discussions right and I don't know when everybody asks me oh what do

[00:06:03] you think about this topic I don't always know what their belief is on a given topic sometimes

[00:06:08] I do if they're you know my friends or something I know if they're you know more left of center

[00:06:12] than I know what their view might probably be but there's a difference between having a debate

[00:06:20] having an argument having a discussion with somebody right and you're not trying to convince them

[00:06:26] see that's the thing it's like you don't go into it thinking that you're going to win the argument

[00:06:32] right even in like oral arguments in a court of law right very rarely does somebody actually

[00:06:40] win an argument right you're just trying to convince the jury that there's a reasonable doubt

[00:06:47] that's it like even and that's the highest standard a reasonable doubt to a quit right

[00:06:54] not that you won the argument just that there's a reasonable doubt like maybe maybe yeah that

[00:07:01] that's a reasonable position to take or that's another explanation I had not considered that

[00:07:06] is reasonable right that's all that's all you can kind of ask for and so a lot of times people go

[00:07:12] into debates and disagreements trying to win the argument trying to win people over trying to convince

[00:07:17] them they're wrong you know and stand over the their crushed enemies you know and if some and

[00:07:25] and if it's somebody you love or like right somebody in your family or a friend like why

[00:07:30] would you want to do that to them you still got to live with them right so why would you want to do

[00:07:37] that and that's why people then say well like Stan says oh you know talk about their kids and

[00:07:42] their favorite sports happy to do that too absolutely talk about other things sure

[00:07:48] but that's why people do it is because so many people are ill equipped to have these kinds of

[00:07:54] discussions and by the way if you think that that's you then I would advise you probably

[00:08:00] don't have those discussions if every time you talk politics and religion it turns into a fight

[00:08:05] with anybody you talk to about then you're probably not very good at talking about it right

[00:08:09] that's what I would that's what I would conclude but what do I know you know I'm just a radio host

[00:08:18] but also by the way when you don't when you run away from I'll say that let's not say run away

[00:08:24] I don't want to that comes pretty close to a scribing motive but when when people avoid these topics

[00:08:31] you then surrender the debate what look at what happened with the abortion debate

[00:08:36] and even the gun control debate and I forget who it was who called earlier they said that

[00:08:40] you know more people are going I think it was James who said every year people getting more

[00:08:43] and more people are buying more more people are buying firearms and I've said this for years

[00:08:50] I am happy to have the second amendment debate the gun control debate

[00:08:57] because the more we talk about it the more converts we get to the pro-second amendment side

[00:09:05] so I guess maybe we are winning some of these arguments but you but you always got to remember

[00:09:10] who is it you're trying to persuade if you are attempting to persuade somebody in an argument

[00:09:15] in a debate then who are you trying to persuade is it the other person you're going to show them

[00:09:20] that they're wrong or do you think that they're going to like have a moment where they're like oh

[00:09:24] you know what I've been completely wrong on this position I've held all these years or do you think

[00:09:29] maybe they go back and think about something you said later or are you debating somebody and

[00:09:33] somebody else's watching right the longer we talk about these policies and the laws there's

[00:09:40] an you educate people right oh well there was already a law in place for that oh there's

[00:09:44] already a law in place for that do you know anything about like one of the things I

[00:09:46] usually start off with in a gun control argument with somebody who's a gun grabber I'm usually

[00:09:51] asking them basic stuff just to start with like do you know what a semi-automatic is

[00:09:57] really basic stuff and most of the time they don't right so once you once you can sort of

[00:10:04] lay a foundation with the hey here's you know basic definition we have gun control laws

[00:10:13] would you like to sit like how about we enforce these these laws against people like stuff like

[00:10:17] that and you you go about it from that kind of an educational perspective usually you make more

[00:10:21] headway that's been my experience um so the uh the supporters of Hamas sorry pro palestine um they

[00:10:33] they went out to Auschwitz today and they they protested out at Auschwitz today yeah really

[00:10:44] winning the hearts and minds you know um there's some people that are mad at me on twitter the

[00:10:54] north carolina political set they are upset with me the leftists in the state the the activists

[00:11:02] the online keyboard warrior activists they're upset with me because I said uh pro Hamas protesters

[00:11:11] they didn't like that they're not pro Hamas I said this the other day remember last week

[00:11:19] we had a caller named mo who safety first he pulled over on the side of the road when we brought

[00:11:25] him on the air so I respect him for that I applaud the safety um but then he uh he proceeded to make

[00:11:33] the same argument that they're not the same it's not the same even though all the polling shows

[00:11:38] widespread palestinian support for the october 7th attacks for Hamas

[00:11:46] but at the very root of it really is simple uh support they're providing support say what you

[00:11:51] want about the people that are at the protests and I've gone over the these campus protests

[00:11:57] with I think um a fair amount of nuance I have I mean I call them Hamas holes but

[00:12:10] I recognize that there are a lot of people that are at these protests to get checks

[00:12:15] and um and that have no idea why they're there right so hashtag not all of the supporters not all of

[00:12:22] the the protesters out there are you know we love Hamas some of them are see that's the thing a lot

[00:12:31] of them are there are a lot of people that are in these protests that are pro Hamas and some

[00:12:35] of them actually get speaking gigs at the front of the protest they get the bull horns they

[00:12:41] say these things right they chant stuff they lead the chants and they're actively pro Hamas but

[00:12:46] even the people that are this just there to get a date uh to to to go you know be you know part of

[00:12:54] some protest movement so they get to talk about you know years down the road how they were down

[00:12:59] with a certain struggle at the time and you know I saw the stuff man I was there you know

[00:13:05] what's been referred to as Selma envy right um there are people that are there for that reason

[00:13:11] as well but even so they are still supporting Hamas because Hamas is emboldened and empowered by

[00:13:20] the uprisings these these protests all over the country in the western uh nations so

[00:13:28] you can't tell me that it's not supporting Hamas even if that's not your intent that's what

[00:13:31] you're doing and Hamas is like the most responsible for the plight of the Palestinian people and so

[00:13:42] if your purpose is to you know stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people and to get them

[00:13:48] out from under the yoke of oppression then that would be getting rid of Hamas

[00:13:52] but you're emboldening Hamas you're empowering them you're making them think that their

[00:13:56] strategy is working by the way that like this you know over the weekend they they flung a bunch

[00:14:03] more rockets into Israel killed a bunch of people and then they were like okay now we're

[00:14:06] going to take your peace deal we're going to take the ceasefire deal which apparently like

[00:14:10] was negotiated by Egypt and Qatar and Hamas like okay I'm thinking the Jews should

[00:14:19] probably be part of that discussion what do you think just again what do I know I just know

[00:14:26] that your pro-Palestine people are out there demonstrating at Auschwitz but I know it's not

[00:14:33] about the Jews right a couple of quick notes regarding the quote ceasefire that Hamas has

[00:14:41] quote agreed to getting some new details here that this is simply an announcement of what they want

[00:14:52] so it's not actually agreeing to any kind of a ceasefire term sheet that was agreed upon by

[00:14:58] anybody else this is just them saying this is what our ceasefire would require that's it

[00:15:05] and I don't know if you saw if you've been like I've tried to follow some of the different iterations

[00:15:12] of the ceasefiring that documents and stuff and parameters that have been published and leaked

[00:15:18] out and all of this and it's it's gotten so complicated and complex and really it just

[00:15:23] comes down to release the hostages and surrender that's it guys that's it anything short of that

[00:15:30] war sorry not sorry okay um yeah here we go this is uh Kevin Diamond he says basically Hamas has

[00:15:41] given a unilateral counter proposal it's not a ceasefire a ceasefire is agreed to by both parties

[00:15:47] Hamas could be buying time or playing games yeah they lobbed a bunch of rockets into Israel killed

[00:15:53] a bunch of people and they're like okay good enough for us that's a good PR win for us domestically

[00:15:59] so we can say we killed a bunch more Jews everybody yay and then we got the war to stop

[00:16:06] before they invaded Rafa and took the last stronghold that we've got where I think like all of their

[00:16:12] people are probably still holed up so they're trying to stop the invasion get a PR win and

[00:16:20] give themselves time to uh to regroup and then rebuild and the only way that works is if

[00:16:27] public sentiment turns against Israel and not for nothing for people who think that like you're

[00:16:34] going to pressure Israel into like giving up more of uh the responsibility for their security to

[00:16:41] other countries or to a world body like the UN or something they have a slogan I don't know if

[00:16:48] you've heard this before but it's they say never again and that means quite simply

[00:16:56] never again they're not they're not going to trust anybody else to ever provide them with

[00:17:02] security because no one does historically and so they're going to do it themselves from now on

[00:17:10] right that's what that meant never allow that to happen again they're going to take control of

[00:17:13] their own destiny they're going to control their own security thank you very much so

[00:17:18] whether or not you consider them to be a pariah state or engaging in all of these bad things

[00:17:23] whatever they don't care it's like the sentiment in Israel it's pretty solidified right and you can

[00:17:32] hate bibi netanyahu you can hate them six ways till sunday and you know what the israelis don't care

[00:17:40] they don't care about that either they would prefer bibi be gone also most of them would rather

[00:17:47] see him leave you know what they don't care they got a unity government and the the other

[00:17:54] bibi's opponent benjamin netanyahu's opponent is on board with everything they're doing

[00:18:01] there would be no difference so like for the people who are saying oh they got to get rid of

[00:18:04] netanyahu and that's really that's what's you know the real problem here i'm sure they're

[00:18:09] going to get rid of them at some point there will be time for that but even if you got rid of him

[00:18:14] the war doesn't get prosecuted any differently the other party agrees so all right so that being said

[00:18:24] congratulations to everybody on the graduation from college hopefully you'll actually get to be

[00:18:30] able to have one of these rites of passage that were denied to you during co vid a graduation

[00:18:36] ceremony unless of course the hamas supporters uh disrupt it right i've got a letter here

[00:18:46] 510 UNC professors and staff faculty and staff signed this letter i i did not read through all of

[00:18:58] their names but you're supposed to be like oh my gosh 510 faculty and staff yeah i have no idea

[00:19:05] like are some of these people like out where do they what where do the people the grad students

[00:19:11] who come in and they like teach a class for the professor because the professor is drunk or something

[00:19:15] i guess i'm just kidding no no it's only in the uh that's only in the english department

[00:19:24] is that a stereotype look i've seen all of those movies the writer

[00:19:29] that teaches the college class and they're an alcoholic it's a pretty i mean come on like

[00:19:32] that's a standard trope no okay so i don't know all of the different people that um that signed this letter

[00:19:40] but i have it and they are very very concerned about calling in law enforcement in the early

[00:19:47] morning hours to break up the uh the protest camp that was set up on UNC's uh property

[00:19:58] the encampment located on poke place and uh this is what they say i'll try to read it and i think

[00:20:05] i'll try to capture really the essence of their um of the import of this

[00:20:12] this student encampment located on poke plate i can't do the whole letter it's a very lengthy

[00:20:18] letter actually i can't do the whole thing like that but you get the idea just think of it in

[00:20:21] those terms um is that it was an example of the kind of peaceful free expression that our

[00:20:26] university claims to uphold free speech is often challenging it can make people uncomfortable and

[00:20:32] well not all free speech right try to bring ben Shapiro to campus right it can grow heated

[00:20:38] but until that speech crosses the line into violence or obstruction oh you mean like setting up

[00:20:43] tents all over a quad so people can't walk across the quad without being like accosted for wearing

[00:20:49] a star of david like that kind of obstruction it must be protected even at the cost of discomfort

[00:20:55] or patches of grass yellowed by tents that's one way to say killing a lawn right that's what they're

[00:21:05] doing and by the way what happens what happens after you pitch all your tents all over this lawn

[00:21:11] you camp out you miss your finals and then you what i guess uh launch an intifada against the

[00:21:17] commencement ceremony or something i don't know and then you just leave all the tents there

[00:21:22] or do you come back to them during the summer i'm not sure but you're killing off the grass and as

[00:21:28] as the chair of an h o a landscape committee let me tell you what that is not an inexpensive

[00:21:33] proposition to address okay i'm just saying that's vandalism also it's against this it's

[00:21:43] against the rules of the campus and they were told move your stuff they didn't and you got your

[00:21:50] stuff moved for you that's how that works that's how it always has worked and they don't like it

[00:21:57] these professors they're living vicariously through their students to relive the glory days

[00:22:02] right relive the the fill in the blank movement days or whatever okay if you're listening to this

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[00:22:58] will you be ready when the lights go out university of florida president ben sassy

[00:23:05] it's just been sad actually but i sometimes i like to call him ben sassy especially when uh he

[00:23:10] does things like this he says students have a right to peacefully protest but they cannot quote

[00:23:17] take over the whole university what he wrote an op-ed in the wall street journal and he says quote

[00:23:27] at the university of florida we have repeatedly patiently explained two things to protesters

[00:23:35] we will always defend your rights to free speech and free assembly but if you cross the line on

[00:23:41] clearly prohibited activities you will be thrown off campus and suspended okay very clear in gainsville

[00:23:52] that means a three-year prohibition from campus right you are banned for three years that's serious

[00:24:02] we said it we meant it we enforced it we wished we didn't have to but the students weighed the

[00:24:09] costs made their decisions and will own the consequences as adults we are a university not a

[00:24:17] daycare we don't coddle emotions we wrestle with ideas can he be president of our universities too

[00:24:31] there was um a wall street journal uh piece i think his name is daniel henninger at the

[00:24:37] wall street journal he had a line i there was a video uh that wall street journal had up at its

[00:24:44] website uh and he talked about modern protest as produced by the cookie cutter of social media

[00:24:53] that's what we're seeing modern protest as produced by the cookie cutter of social media

[00:24:59] and organizations by the way i've got a whole bunch of things in my stack of stuff here like

[00:25:03] who is front politico did a big write-up on whose funding the pro palestinian protests

[00:25:09] soros rockefeller and pritzker among the top three i mean those are the big ones um

[00:25:17] and they then what henninger said uh what he called they uh they use a flip the script tactic

[00:25:27] the perpetrators of the mayhem transform themselves into camera ready victims of state violence

[00:25:35] right that's always the point here it's and i say it in this way which is what he's saying also

[00:25:41] but i say it a different way which is the the action is the reaction right if you are a marxist

[00:25:48] agitator right you're a destabilizing agent for the revolution then um the actions that you take

[00:25:57] right direct action taken into the streets right direct action talking to the city council

[00:26:03] right direct action is a boycott that kind of thing those are actions that you take

[00:26:08] in service to the revolution but sometimes as solowlinski taught the action is the reaction

[00:26:15] the point is not to do the thing that you're actually doing that's not i mean yeah it's a tactic

[00:26:20] but it's not going to really get you anything the point is to provoke the reaction and then

[00:26:26] you use that use that to push forward as the marxists like to say forward right

[00:26:36] and so the reaction is to get lots and lots of law enforcement officers to come through

[00:26:42] the camps and tear them all down and maybe just maybe fingers crossed maybe one of the protesters

[00:26:48] can get hurt seriously maybe even killed right and then you've got all sorts of good pr for your

[00:26:55] side and if that tactic sounds familiar it's because that's what hamas does right

[00:27:02] it's the same strategy it's the same tactic it's a kent state sort of strategy provoke

[00:27:07] provoke provoke and then when the reaction comes play the victim you flip the script

[00:27:12] you the aggressive this is why the the term cry bullies applies to them cry bullies although i

[00:27:18] wish you could put the bullies on the front side because you know bully cries but it doesn't sound

[00:27:22] right because you bully bully bully you intimidate harass a cost obstruct just generally make a

[00:27:29] nuisance of yourself and then when people finally get so fed up that they push you out of the

[00:27:35] way then it's like oh my gosh and you know hit the ground like a soccer player that somebody

[00:27:40] breathed on and now you're the victim very very common tactic that's what we're seeing and that's

[00:27:48] what the professors and faculty and staff at UNC Chapel Hill were very very concerned about very

[00:27:54] concerned that the police reduced all right that'll do it for this episode thank you so much for

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