Predictions for NC's 2026 elections (01-06-2026--Hour1)

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I am not good at it, and so I just gave it up altogether, and frankly I feel a lot happier for it. But you do like to make the predictions you say that in one of these pieces that you enjoy. I think it was in your newsletter to your subscribers you were like, I love talking about predictions, so give me yours. So why do you have this, Some might say unhealthy obsession with predictions? Let me ask, Well, you got to give the people what they want, right. All right, Well, let's start with the first one. And this is from the Charlotte Observer, and News and Observer op ed that you wrote the two races you are watching as a North Carolina Conservative, and you write that twenty thousand voters will decide the balance of political power across the state. So this is about the Phil Berger Sam Page race. So give us the give us the top line on that. What is you know, who are these people and why is this so important for the balance of political power across North Carolina? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean we could talk about this for hours and hours, but I'll try to give the brief recap. So Senate President pro Tem Phil Berger hails from Rockingham County. He's been in the General Assembly for twenty some years now. He's been the most powerful politician in the state for most of that time, especially since Republicans took over the General Assembly in the twenty ten election, and he's been mostly unchallenged in that but this year, Rockingham County Sheriff Sam Page has decided that he is going to challenge Philberger for that seat, claiming that Senator Berger has lost touch with the people of his district. Now. Sheriff Sam Page, for a lot of your listeners who are in urban areas might not understand just how important and powerful sheriffs are. And in Rockingham County, Sampage has a very, very large following, is very well liked. He's also been brought in and helps the Trump administration over the past decade. And so there's a lot of polls out there showing Sam Paige with a considerable lead. Here now where he is not in the lead is in the fundraising battle. Senator Berger has already spent upwards of two million dollars on attack ads against Sheriff Page, and with undoubtedly more to come. But this race is going to be on the ballot in March. I mean, it's a Republican primary, and so I think that that race is going to be the most important election in North Carolina in twenty twenty six. And it's really going to set the tone for how politics works in North Carolina this year. Was I'm trying to remember, was Sam Page involved in any of the COVID era pushback against lockdowns or anything like that. And now remember he was vocal in his opposition to the to the casino push that Berger undertook. He may have been, I don't. I think that was more of an Alemance County thing. Yeah, I know about the racetrack out in Alemance. So I just wasn't sure if Page won any supporters during the COVID lockdowns, if any of that kind of halo effects still it's still he may still enjoy. He may have, but I think it mostly stems from the casino opposition. I think Senator Berger really made a pretty big miscalculation. This was maybe two years ago, three years ago now, where he wanted to put into the state budget the ability to open a casino, a couple of casinos around the state, including in his backyard, and there just wasn't a whole lot of transparency around that. It was kind of pushed through and Sheriff Sam Page really became the leader of the opposition to that, and it did and the opposition was successful though the casinos did not make it into the budget. Yeah all right, so Page goes in. You mentioned severely under performing on fundraising, which is to be expected. You're running against the Senate President pro tim He's got a lot of power, He's got a lot of donations. I think he even picked up Did he not get an endorsement from Donald Trump recently too? He sure did. And there's a little bit of controversy around that. Kind of the rumor is that the whole mid decade redistricting that North Carolina just did was how Berger was able to get that endorsement from President Trump. Now that's not been confirmed. I mean, it wouldn't shock me if it were true. But regardless, the President Trump did go on his truth social and say he likes both guys, but offered Sheriff Page a job quote unquote job in the administration if he would end his challenge to Senator Burger. But that does not appear to be happening. Yeah, all right, So what happens if Berger loses, I. Mean, if Senator Burger loses, I mean that it becomes a huge power vacuum. I mean, he immediately becomes the lame duck and honestly, I could see it going in a couple of different directions, and I did not weigh in a prediction on what exactly would happen. I mean, I could see a world in which, you know, Senator Berger resigns immediately and goes home, and then the House becomes a sendant. You know, the power in the General Assembly lies with the House, and I could see Governor Josh Stein coming in there and filling that vacuum and becoming more powerful. Or I could see Senator Berger staying in office and kind of coming up the works, and then a whole lot of nothing gets done over twenty twenty six. So I don't know which of those pasts will take, but it really depends on what happens with the. Election, all right, and if he wins. If Berger wins, then what. If he wins, I think that he consolidates his power. I mean, he this is kind of the you come at the king, you better not miss type situation, and I think that he's really going to have the upper hand in negotiations with the House and be able to put his stamp on North Carolina policy. All right, So let's shift gear now gears to the US Senate race. You mentioned Michelle Morrow entering the Republican primary. I think your assessment of this is correct. I think she will split the grassroots support Don Brown, the other candidate that has a lot of grassroots support, which then may make it easier for Michael Wattley to make it through the primary. You say, Cooper starts with every advantage. He doesn't need to do much except avoid mistakes, and that's what he's good at, avoiding mistakes. All right, So what happens then if Cooper is the guy and Wattley is the guy and the polls kind of stay where they are, Yeah. I mean, and I think that's the most likely scenario. I mean, I don't want to write off Michael Wattley completely. I mean a lot can change between now in November. Michael Whatley will be and is well funded. I think he's a smart guy and he's an extremely hard worker, So I don't want to write him off completely. But absent anything major changing on the field of play, former Governor Cooper is really in the driver's seat there. And you know what we've seen, and I've seen personally, is that the national powers that be are not hesitant to pull the rug out from under you if if the Poles stay where they are, I wouldn't be surprised to see the National Senate Republican Caucus end up pulling money from North Carolina and trying to put it in places like Maine or Georgia where they think they might have more success. Yeah, all right, So let's do some predictions. Now. Do you think the redistricting that the Republicans did, do you think it's going to net the Republicans an additional seat in Congress. Well, it's supposed to. That was the whole point of it, right right. One of my predictions is that that will not come to pass. Now, I'm a little bit out on a limb there. Sometimes I make predictions. I'll let you in on a little secret. Sometimes when I make predictions, I try to be provocative. Oh wow, yeah, that's a big secret. Don't tell anybody. But I would not be surprised if Republicans actually lose one of their seats or stay right where they are at ten members of Congress. I think Representative Don Davis has proven to be a tough out in that first congressional district, and you know it's redrawn to be a lot more advantageous for Republicans. And I think, you know, Senator Bobby Haynig is a strong candidate. There's a couple other people up there are that are good, but depending on how bad things go in the economy, depending on, you know, what the national environment is, I could see Don Davis keeping that and I could actually see Representative Chuck Edwards losing. There's a pretty strong Democrat over there, Jamie Ager. He's a farmer type, seems to have a lot of buzz around him. Now he does have a primary too, but I could see a world in which he pulls a big upset and ends up knocking office an incumbent Republicans. Yeah, that Agger name out in western North Carolina is it's a long traditional political family, so that would not surprise me. All Right, do we get a budget in the General Assembly. My prediction is no, that we don't. You know, everybody is kind of saying everybody that I talked to up in Raleigh is saying like, well, we got to get past this Burger Page primary before anything could possibly move. And I am kind of again going out on a limb and saying, you know, either way the primary goes if Burger wins or if Berger loses, there's a better than even odds that the House and the Senate are not able to come to any sort of agreement. And we do not have a comprehensive budget in twenty twenty six. And you think that there are going to be a couple of people that retire out of these statewide seats, how confident are you in that? Or are you just stirring the pot now on this one too? Andrew, No, this one, I actually feel really good about this one. And I can't say that speculating on Council of State elections is it really gets the people going. So I tried to keep this one real. But you know when I twenty twenty six, especially towards the end of it, after November, is really going to be the time where everyone starts reading the tea leaves and positioning themselves for twenty twenty eight. And we've got a couple of Council of State members who have been there a long time are getting up in years, and so my top prediction is that Secretary of State Elaine Marshall will hang it up and not run for another term in twenty twenty eight. She's already eighty years old, she'll be what eighty two by the next election day. She's had a good run. My prediction is that she'll not run in twenty twenty eight, and honestly, I think what will probably happen is she will step down, retire from her seat early to give give Governor Stein the ability to appoint a replacement for her that then would have the advantage of incumbency in twenty. Eight, right, which then, I mean, if you're talking about like agriculture Commissioner Steve Troxler or insurance commissioner might causey that you name here. Also if they were to step down, Stein would make those appointments. So I think that's a pretty good incentive for them not to do so before the next election. But I don't know. We shall see exactly if. You want, And of course it doesn't always work. You know, Jessica Holmes got appointed the state auditor when Beth Wood stepped down and it didn't work out so well for. Her, exactly right. If you want more of his predictions and to make your own, go over to long leafpol dot com Longleaf Politics. Andrew Dunn, thanks for your time, sir, I appreciate it. Thank you hi man, Take care. You know. Stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. 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Visit Creative video dot Com on Twitter at Pete Calener and the email is Pete at Thepete calendershow dot com. Travis says auditor Bullock is expected to run for governor. I expect Luke Farley is interested in running for a higher profile seat. I've heard that about Dave Bullock. Not sure if he'll do it this time well in twenty eight or if he waits another four years because rather than challenge and incumbent Josh Stein just I mean, but then again, Josh Stein may be vulnerable in another two years, you know, and maybe there are Republicans that want to take a shot at him. So we'll see about that. But yeah, there's a I talked with Andrew Dunn about Dave Bullock a couple of a couple of weeks ago, maybe a couple months, maybe two months ago or so, and we discussed this very possibility about him looking for a run or looking at a run for governor. But you know, we'll say, we shall see. There was another story yesterday, you know, we talked with ap Dylan from the North State Journal and she had a piece at the NSJ online dot com at their website about an underreported education story for twenty twenty five, and it was that school choice continued to thrive through the opportunity scholarship program, the school vouchers through homeschooling, as well as support from President Trump's administration. So public school enrollment levels dropped in twenty twenty five by about twenty four thousand students, are down about almost two percent, and that the enrollment levels dropped in one hundred and five out of one hundred and fifteen public school districts, so like nine out of ten districts saw their enrollment numbers. And all of this is according to data that is available at the North Carolina Department of Public Instruction now. Homeschooling data for last school year shows that there were almost one hundred and two thousand homeschools and those one hundred two thousand homeschools serve one hundred and sixty five thousand students, and that is an increase, so an increase of about eight thousand students that are now being homeschooled that were not the previous year. Charter school enrollment also increased by about nine thousand students, that's at one hundred and fifty three thousand. So there are more kids in homeschools in North Carolina now than there are in charter schools and private school students. That number also increased. They are at one hundred thirty five five thousand, seven thirty eight, one thirty five. So again, homeschools have about thirty thousand more students in them than private schools. So what did we hear when all of the lefties and Democrats and media But I repeat myself, when they were all complaining about the expansion of the opportunity scholarships, about the school vouchers and stuff, and what did they all say? Well, this is going to be subsidizing private schools. This is all for private schools, and what is the data show? It's more so for homeschools, for the homeschools. And I'm totally fine with that. Oh but Pete, what about socialization? Yes, the old socialization argument, which, first off, that argument may have been more solid thirty years ago, which I wasn't deeming a big believer in that argument back then, but it's less so now. And the reason why is numbers. There are so many more homeschooled kids in North Carolina now that they have created all sorts of extracurricular activities among their community. So like the kids get all sorts of socialization, they can participate in sports. Right, they can do these after school activities. They have very rich social lives. It's not like this, you know, this kid that's locked away and is living a sheltered life and they don't know anything and all of that. That's number one. Number two exactly what are you socializing the kids about? You know, like what? But I like, does the kid need to know how to fend off and attack from a mob of classmates? Is that the kind of socialization that we want our kids to experience? Do we want to send them into these facilities so they can, you know, learn self defense? Is that the idea they can learn six seven, they can learn all that stupidity. Okay, the homeschoolers probably do that thing too, But like, that's the socialization argument. Considering the state of public education nowadays, it does not persuade me at all. What else here? Oh? Hey, do you remember when there was the big fight at the Charlotte City Council about whether or not people would be allowed or should be allowed to sell their trinkets on the sidewalks in No Dot in the No Don neighborhood, the North Davidson area just north of Center City Street. Vendors, right, they were setting up on sidewalks, people couldn't get around. Fistfights were erupting local businesses that are like, hey, I'm paying for a brick and mortar and this competitor comes and sits in front of my shop and is selling the same stuff against me, right, And I got to meet all these codes, I gotta have permits and all of this, and they just get to like throw out a blanket and sell their dream catchers. So the city said, we will implement a six month pilot program to allow for permit holders to operate on the sidewalks. Well, folks, it's been six months and the city is scrapping the program. They are not extending the program. They say the sidewalks are too small for street vending, which should have been obvious to anybody who has walked the sidewalks of No Dah with a tape measure. All right, holiday football has arrived. Right with DraftKings sportsbook and official sports betting partner of the NFL, the unexpected can turn game day into payday. And don't forget Draft Kings as you're back with early exit. Pretty neat function here. If your player goes down in the first half, you still get paid in cash. Download the Draft Kings sportsbook app and use the code PETE. That's code PETE. New customers can bet five bucks and get two hundred dollars in bonus bets if your bet wins instantly. In partnership with Draft Kings, the Crown is yours. Gambling problem call one eight hundred gambler In New York call eight seven seven eight hope and why, or text hope and why two four six seven, three six nine. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling. 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We knew this day was coming where the registrations of Democrats were declining at a faster rate and the registrations of Republicans were increasing slowly. And so we have now crossed the point that happened this month. I think it was actually a couple months earlier than expected, where Republicans would now be the number one party registration in the state, whereas Democrats have enjoyed that role for like one hundred and fifty years. So, yes, there are now more registered Republicans, but the number one registration by far is unaffiliated, and so unaffiliated not independence. People say this, Oh, I'm an independent, No, you're not. Okay. If you're registered unaffiliated, that just means you're unaffiliated. It doesn't mean you're independent. There's no registration for that status. Okay, there's no named independent registration. Unaffiliated it means that you're not affiliated with any party, which means you can vote in any party primary. That's what I am. I am unaffiliated. Because I live in Charlotte. I can only vote in mainly predominantly Democrat primaries for any of the local officials. I don't have any chance to vote for Republicans unless I choose to. You want to vote in a presidential race or a US Senate race or something like that, Generally it's all it's all local races, and I don't get an option for a Republican because it's all Democrat controlled. So what that means, though, is that there are like and I think it's almost there are more unaffiliated that I think if you add up all the Democrats and Republicans, I think unaffiliated maybe more than them total. Maybe, but I might be wrong on that, but either way, unaffiliateds are by far the number one registration in the state. However, unaffiliateds don't vote in a less partisan fashion than people who are Republicans and Democrats. Unaffiliated in North Carolina generally speaking break fifty to fifty, so you just as many just as much as there are a lot of Republican voters who are registered unaffiliated, but they will always vote Republican. There are as many Democrats in the unaffiliated camp as well, and they will always vote Democrat. And then you've got the quote mushy middle that's still in there. And so you look at Roy Cooper's and I think what Andrew done basing his prediction on the US Senate race on is that Roy Cooper has won every state wide race he has ever run. And as much as Republicans may not like him, unaffiliated to apparently do and they vote for him. And that's how he won, you know, his reelection even after all of the COVID hysteria and the lockdowns and his ed his executive directives or declarations. So yeah, like that's that's why he. Josh Stein just won. And I know there are Republicans that believe that Stein stole the election or something. There's no evidence of that. So and North Carolina has split their tickets for decades between federal Republicans and state Democrats. Now that effect has waned, but that has been the that's been the historical norm. So I suspect that's why. And also, you know Andrew made the point about the the money that if the polling doesn't close for Wattley, because the polling shows that he's down and the Republican Party. They're going to you know, the National Republican Senatorial Committee, and they're the ones that you know pour you know, tens of millions of dollars into these races to elect candidates and re elect their senators. If they think that that Wattley is is toast, they're not going to spend all the money here. They're going to go and protect seats that are more winnable. And when that happens, now he can't go on the air. He doesn't have as much money. Cooper has a vast network of outside donors. You know, he built up that network during the HB two debate when he was attorney general and he and then challenged Pat Corarry for governor, and he made all these business contacts, he got on all the short lists, he's got all the donors from all outside of North Carolina. He's got this vast network to to tap into, and he's raised a lot of money. He's got a lot of name id and he's got a track record of winning what two governors races, four races for attorney general, so but almost you know, thirty years in statewide elected office, winning every four years. That's a difficult track record to beat and you may not like him, but a lot of other people in North Carolina are okay with him being their elected leader. So and again like that may be something that you may not understand, but that doesn't mean it's not true. Right, Like, that's you just look at the historical data. I'm not predicting Cooper wins. I'm just telling you, like I'm thinking, that's why Andrew Dunn is looking at these h these indicates and if Wattley's polling doesn't improve, then and well, if Wattley wins and his polling doesn't improve, then the NRSC pulls their funding. And that basically is the nailing, one of the nails in the coffin of the Wattley campaign. Right, that's the thinking that that I suspect Andrew is employed. Let me see, this is from Jim in rock Hill. He says, totally agree on the homeschool stuff. We homeschooled all six of our kids. Now they're all adults, contributing members of society. So many socializations slash community opportunities for homeschoolers. For example, Piedmont Music Academy, Trailblazers cross country here in rock Hill in the Greater York County area. I had a message from David in Matthews. Anyone with an eye for detail can pick up a home or can pick a homeschooler out of a group of kids a million out of a million times. Uh, it's still probably better than the mess that is CMS. I don't know how you would pick a homeschooler out of a group of kids just by sight, you would know them just by sight? How do you like? Yeah, you're gonna have to give me some more information, David, as to how you're making this, uh, making this prediction? And then the hell in talking about the vendors up in No Doll on the sidewalks the vendors hog up the sidewalk and are nearly in the road at the same time. Yeah, so, yeah, it's a This is one of those things that like, I don't know, I don't know why people feel the need to try to rewrite the rules for sidewalk vending in No Dot Like not at a dead show parking lot scene. Okay, and trust me, I've been to dead shows. I enjoy the parking lot scene. However, the sidewalk, the three foot sidewalk in No Daw is not a parking lot. Okay, if you want to do some markets, you want to do some you know kind of festival fairs and stuff like that, well, you know, find a parking lot and make it a place where vendors can come up and set up their tables, like a flea market or something. But this idea of like, oh, we're just going to do all of this like street vending in front of these businesses, and you're going to block the entrance to their business. You're going to make it difficult for people to get past you. Like. It's no, it was never a workable solution. All right. If you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why, Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app and it's a website and it combines news from around the world in one place, so you can compare coverage and verify information. 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I think it's her name, or c Weaver, or or maybe it's Chaya Cea. How do you pronounce that cea Kia Weaver? I don't know. Well, here, I'll play your audio clip from some sort of a live stream or something she was doing at some point a year or two ago. And uh, here's what she was talking. About I think the reality is is that for centuries we've really treated property as an individualized good and not a collective good. And we are going to and transitioning too treating it as a collective good and towards a model of shared equity will require that we think about it differently, and it will mean that families, especially white families, but some POC families who are homeowners as well, are going to have a different relationship to property than the one that we currently have. Right. In other words, you won't own it. That's the different relationship you will have with your property. It's not your property. If only is there a word to describe a political philosophy that abolishes the idea of private property rights. See here's the problem with communism, Marxism, socialism, the problem with it. It's all encapsulated in these comments that she makes. I'm gonna rerack it's only thirty seconds. I'm gonna rerack it here. It's right at the beginning, right, See, if you can detect the fundamental flaw in the philosophy, I. Think the reality is is that for centuries we've released created property as an individualized good and not a collective good. And we are going to and transitioning to treating it as a collective good and towards a model of shared equity. For centuries, she says, And I would submit it's a little bit longer than centuries. The concept of private ownership of property, whatever that property might be. The concept, she says, that we have thought about it as an individual good rather than a collective good. Right do you know why? Because that's human nature, And so she says, in reality, we're going to have to transition our thinking. And therein lies the fundamental problem with all of this Marxist claptrap. It is denying the very human nature that we all have, which is, look, you give a baby in a crib. If you give a baby one of those little mobile spinner things up above them, right, and you put like two items on it, and the baby's happy, you take it away, that baby cries. It is instinctive we know when somebody has taken something from us. They've even run these experiments with babies. They put the mobile up there and they'll go from like five spinny objects down to two or three, and the baby cries, like the baby knows that it had five, even though it doesn't know the concept of five, but it knows it had this many things and now it's smaller. Somebody has taken something from me. But the Marxist always believes that we will be able to somehow transcend human nature. It is a denialism in human nature. And because what happens when people don't want to give up their stuff. What happens when somebody says, no, I bought this home, I own this home just because you want to collectivize it for the community, equity, whatever goal you've got, I'm not giving it up. And that's when you have force. That's why socialism always relies on the force of the state to come in and take from people that don't want to give up their property because they won't get with the utopia project. Mamdannie just appointed this woman as his tenant advocate. She has also called home ownership white supremacy. She's been floating around the whole tenants rights circles for quite a while. Her appointment makes clear that Mam Donnie is quite serious about using the power of his office to use regulations to gradually seize private property through enforcement mechanisms that are at the mayor's disposal. During his campaign, Mamdanni proposed that the city identify landlords who do not respond to tenant complaints fast enough, and if they don't respond fast enough, then they will seize their properties. Councilwoman of New York City, Vicki Palladino, said, what he means is that pretty much every tenant complaint will move rapidly into property seizure. Look for DSA activists to begin agitating tenants to file frivolous complaints to instigate the seizures. It's tyranny, she says. If you are a small landlord that rents an apartment in your own home, I strongly suggest you notify your tenants that you will no longer be renting because Mamdani will take your home. And, by the way, renters, expect your rents to skyrocket in order to mitigate the risks that the landlords will have to take on if they choose to remain in the market. Mamdani's only appointed tenant advocate. This woman see a Weaver called to seize private property that's a direct quote, blasted home ownership as a weapon of white supremacy in a series of pro communist social media posts. She self identifies as a communist. Okay, Mamdani wants to impose a rent freeze. You freeze the rent, You then encourage the tenant complaints about things not getting fixed. But the landlords can't raise the rents because you've got to freeze, so you can't raise the rents, which means now you have to take a loss in order to fix the things and to do it fast enough. And if you don't do it fast enough, the city is going to send in contractors to do the work and then they're gonna bill the landlord, and if the landlord can't pay it, then the city will seize the property. This is how it always turns out people, every single time. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 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