Online death cults and "Baby Jesus" targets Trump (12-08-2025--Hour3)

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Man, if only I don't know, somebody would have targeted criminal, illegal aliens or something and maybe been allowed to go around and and maybe round up some people without having to worry about being assaulted. Yeah, it wasn't this person in the country for a third time illegally correct at this point. Yeah, we don't. Yeah, he had twice been removed, so he had gotten back in we don't know, sometime after twenty twenty one. He has a criminal rap sheet in North Carolina, but I don't know if all of the crimes occurred prior to his, you know, his re entry. So I'm not sure he like did he re enter the country after twenty one and then engage in more criminal activity but then not be deported again, Like, I don't know. The crinology and security. Was a little bit vague about the crime. I mean, they listed some of the crimes that they didn't say A where they happened and b if it was in North Carolina. And I dug around in some of the filings and the court systems, and there's a bunch that match his name, but not exactly identically. That's one of the problems that I've had in reporting on these crimes is because, uh, the say, the sheriff will, we'll put it under you know, x Y dash Z you know is his last name, and then in the court systems it's just x y. Z h A B. You know. Yeah, the guy's got four names. This guy, Uh, this the the suspect and the stabbing. He's got four names. One of them is there, you know, two of the names are hyphenated together, and I've seen you know him it reported as just his last name. But then I've seen others that like track all three of the like the hyphenated two names plus the last name, so I don't. Yeah, it's it's difficult because those are cultural standards from you know, Honduras, where the guy is from, and so that's that's how they they name their kids with, you know, multiple names and such. So yeah, it makes trying to track the person down though, very very difficult. Yeah, all right, well let's uh, let me start with a story that I've I've been reading your reporting on, uh, these nihilistic violent extremism groups or vees, and the big one is this seven sixty four cult, and I had never heard of it before I started reading some of your reporting. You've been following this stuff for a long time. And then the other day I saw the FBI director Cash Pattel issues a bunch of stats on these kinds of enve saying there's been this massive increase in arrests with these nihilistic violent extremist groups like seven sixty four. So for people who don't know what is seven sixty four and what are these envees? Okay, an mve is a nihilistic, violent extremist group, and that basically means that they want to tear down society, tear down families, they want to just burn it all to the ground. So they're intent on collapsing society is basically in a nutshell. And the seven sixty four cult targets young people, almost specifically, just young people under the age of twenty five usually, but they've had victims as young as the age of seven, and they get them online in places like roblocks, Minecraft, on Discord Fortnite, even simple chess games online. Chess games was in one of the affidavits that I read. So they use sextortion, blackmail, and other means to brainwashing coerce they're victims into committing acts like killing pets, trying to harm their family or relatives or their siblings, school shootings, suicide, et cetera. They also do this thing where they get them to commit to cutting themselves and what they call fan signing, where they cut the seven sixty four cult members name into their body as a show of. Ownership, yes, and ownership. Yeah, so the use of the and South Carolina just passed a law on this sextortion stuff because one of the South Carolina state lawmakers had a kid who committed suicide because of this kind of. Thing. And what they do is they they they find the kids that are in these video game chats and stuff. They're playing, you know, online with all these other people, and they they start talking to the kids. They get them alone in a group chat or in a single one on one chat, and then they start getting them to send pictures and then they blackmail them, and then they force them to escalate and you know, and they threaten exposure. I'm going to send this out to all of your friends. I'm going to show these pictures to you know, everybody in the group chat, and you know, they docks them and then they they docks the family in I. Have and they've sent them to parents as well. Right, And so yeah, so I was gonna so this is one. Seven sixty four is but one. There's this other one that's affiliated called Maniac Murder Cult MMC, and that's way it was sort of. The basis for seven sixty square as an offshoot Maniac Britcal was around before that, and that's got more of a neo Nazi vibe to it. They they're more into violence and gore, and they were found to be loosely based or formed in the Russia Ukraine region. You also write that a link exists between Arda k who went on a stabbing spree near a Moscin, Turkey, injuring five people, and also Natalie ruppnow the Abundant Life Christian school shooter, and also what linked to Solomon Henderson, the seventeen year old shooter at the Antioch High School in Nashville, Tennessee. So, yeah, this seems like, well is this a It seems like it's a growing problem. It's a worldwide problem. These people are operating on a global scale. Seven sixty four has been more something that we've seen in the United States, But as we saw earlier this year, there was a seven sixty four cult member arrested here in North Carolina and one of his associates that was also arrested was located in Greece. So these people are communicating internationally. Yeah, all right, and you want to if people want to read more about this trend in these stories, AP has been on it for quite a while. It's Ceter sub Stack called more to the story over at North State Journal online. You took a look at the North Carolina Democrat Attorney General Jeff Jackson AKAA baby Jesus, and he is I didn't know. That's not my name for him. That was what his fellow Democrats named him in the state legislature. That's what they called him, baby Jesus. So I mean not to his face, but behind his back. So maybe like the death cult thing, that could be something that our attorney general could look at, maybe spend some time, you know, doing that kind oflaw enforcement related work instead of what seventeen lawsuits now against Trump. Yeah, in this for some eleven months. I went through all of its press releases and all the filings, and he entered the state into at least seventeen different lawsuits involving the Trump administration. Most of them had mixed results and are still working through the court. I've got the full list with the press releases in the article at North State Journal, which is titled Jackson takes on Trump as ag He's aside from doing that, he's done the typical things that his predecessor did with you know, robook calls and scams and that typical kind of thing. He's also done some work on scammers that have drifted people out of home renovations and repairs. He's engaged in some of the medical issues, medical debt issues in the western part of state with hospitals. So I mean he's done some other things. But you know, without fail, almost every month there was at least one lawsuit, yeah, that he entered the state into ended up in tros being issued. Sometimes the suit became moot because the Trump administration within days had fixed the problem where you know, it usually had to do with funding. The funny had been released after a review and made the lawsuit moot. But it was it was more about just making an example. Yeah. Yeah, and you've got the list there at the side. I mean you're talking about the grants for law enforcement agencies. I mean even the NPR funding stuff, the NGO funding stuff, the Education Department freezing the money while they're reviewing grants and stuff. So all this stuff didn't didn't the legislature they were trying to stop Jeff Jackson from from engaging in this kind of political law. Fair No, Yeah, there was a bill that was filed and it's stalled out in mid March, it's still sitting in the House Rules Committee. It sought to prohibit him from suing or participating in a lawsuit against the Trump administration that would result in the invalidation of a presidential executive order or that could you know, upend any kind of state law enacted by the General Assembly. Well, if it's sitting in rules, I'm thinking it's dead. Yeah, typically, yeah, that's both. So did I you know John Bell is the represent John Bell is the chair of that committee, and should he seek to revive that bill, that's his prerogative, but it may be something that ends up next session's agenda. Yeah. Yeah. And then of course Jackson would follow a lawsuit. So if they were to pass this thing, and I don't even know if you would be able to get the governor. Governor wouldn't sign it. I don't know if you'd be able to override the veto. So I suspect that's probably dead. But all right, AP, we're gonna leave it there. I appreciate your time as always, check out or word work at North State Journal nsjonline dot com and more to the story over on substack. Thanks AP, Thank you all right, take care. That's ap Dylan. You know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life, and our stories are told through images and videos. 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This is a bizarre story. I don't know what's happening with this guy, Norman Sanderson. He's a state senator from Pamlico County, Republican. So first he got arrested for a DUI the other day. Let's see in October, right, he got arrested on DWI charges in October. He's seventy four years old. This guy, Norman Sanderson, and now his legislative assistant, was just arrested for arson arson charges. And this isn't like, oh, I'm sorry, I kind of messed up with some open flameer something. No, no, no, this is like I'm trying to burn a house down kind of arson. Diane Elizabeth Cook, thirty eight, was arrested by Raleigh police on November twenty fourth, Happy Thanksgiving, and charged with first degree arson for allegedly attempting to set two adjacent town homes on fire. This occurred in the eighty three hundred block of book A Point in northeast Raleigh. Because she's a she's a legislative assistant for him for Sanderson. So while he's from Pamlico. The legislative assistants are in Raleigh. They work for the you know, for the lawmakers at the state capitol. So it's so according to surveillance footage, this occurred around six a m. On November twentieth, Okay, six am, where she allegedly took a care lit said candle and placed it against the siding of a town home. Right, so, she lights a candle and puts it right up against the house a townhome to try to catch it on fire, but it failed to catch fire. So then she takes the candle and moves it to the neighboring unit and then was able to start a fire at that unit, which spread to the back door filled the home with smoke. The couple named in the court documents as the owners or the residents of that townhome that was targeted, Misty and Thomas Patinelli. They escaped without serious injuries after they were woken up by the smoke. I'm assuming these smoke alarms, smoke detector, and they found you know, flames outside there on their exterior wall. They say that the estimated damage is about a thousand dollar. So now this woman is charged with first degree arson Class d felony in North Carolina and can carry a potential prison sentence of thirty eight to one hundred and sixty months. So like at least three years, why isn't she charged with murder or sorry, attempted murder. Shouldn't it be attempted murder. I'm going to go like I have that's all the information I have about this story, but I'm going to suggest I'm gonna spitball here just theorizing. I'm thinking HOA related issues, right, I'm thinking that they are neighbors in this townhome unit, and she's had problems with two with these two townhome neighbors. Otherwise, like, I don't understand why you're trying to light one on fire. When it doesn't catch, you go to another one and try to light that. So it's like you're you're either just wanting to burn anything down or you're targeting two individual homeowners. It's just bizarre. I don't know what's happening with the Sanderson office there up in Raleigh, but you got now the lawmaker and his assistant both facing various charges. Diane Cook thirty eight, Yeah, don't get it. Apparently she I think she did bond out one hundred and fifty thousand dollars secured bond yeah, which she later posted. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina? Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. Whether you're celebrating an anniversary, a honeymoon, maybe you want to plan a memorable proposal, or get family and friends together for a big old reunion. Cabins of Asheville has the ideal spot for you where you can reconnect with your loved ones and the things that truly matter. Nestled within the breath taking fourteen thousand acres of the Pisga National Forest, their cabins offer a serene escape in the heart of the Blue Ridge Mountains. 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The Supreme Court on Friday agreed to take up the constitutionality of President Donald Trump's order on birthright Citizenship, which declared that children born to parents who are in the US illegally or temporarily, that those kids are not American citizens. Okay, So if somebody you know is pregnant a birthing person, I believe, as the Democrats call them, or as everybody else refers to them, women, a woman is you know, wanting to take a tour of America, wants to come on a tourist visa to take the tours to vacation, and she just so happens to be like nine months pregnant, and she just wants to travel to America to see the sights before the baby arrives. So that's why she waited until she's just about to give birth, and then she arrives in America and has the child like land, they land the plane, she gets off the plane and goes in and they induce the pregnancy, and then she's now she's got an American citizen child. Never happen, I know, I know that would never happen. People wouldn't just come here to have the babies. Actually they do. They people actually do that. And so this is going to now be argued. The justices are going to hear Trump's appeal of a lower court ruling which struck down the citizenship restrictions. Right, So he's been Trump has been losing through the lower courts, but they keep appealing, specifically to take this to the US Supreme Court. So none of his executive order has not taken effect anywhere in the country. Okay. The case is going to be argued in the spring, and a ruling is expected to be sometime in the summer. Birthright citizenship is the first Trump immigration related policy to reach the Supreme Court for a final ruling. The Associated Press report by Mark Sherman says that Trump's order could up or would upend more than one hundred and twenty five years of un standing that the Constitution's fourteenth Amendment confers citizenship on everybody born on American soil, with narrow exceptions for the children of foreign diplomats and those born to a foreign occupying force, which is always like, this is one of those questions that like, Okay, if I'm a foreign diplomat and I'm working in America, like i am, I'm the ambassador for Petistan, and I am here with my family. We're living in you know, Washington, d C. Where I act, as you know, a liaison, a spokesperson for all of the good people of Petistan. And then we have a child, and of course my child would be a citizen of Petastan. But also why not American if they're born in America. No, no, no, that's different because you're a foreign diplomat. And that was specifically like a car vout. Okay, so if I'm not a diplomat, then my kid is a citizen of America and not just Peedistan. That seems to be like, it seems to be kind of discriminatory to Pedestanians, Right, So every lower court that has looked at this issue has concluded that Trump's executive order violates or likely violates, the Fourteenth Amendment. The Fourteenth Amendment was intended to ensure that black people, including specifically former slaves, that they had citizenship. That was the point, to make sure that they had citizenship. Birthright citizenship automatically makes anybody born an American an American citizen, including children born to mothers that are here illegally. The case under review comes from New Hampshire. A federal judge in July blocked the citizenship order in a class lawsuit, including all children who would be affected. The ACLU is leading the legal team to represent the children and their parents who challenged Trump's order. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. He posted on Twitter that the Supreme Court has the chance to decide whether the Fourteenth Amendment that was enacted after the Civil War to overrule the dread Scott case, whether this Fourteenth Amendment requires the automatic granting of citizenship to the children of illegal aliens who are born on US soil. He says, the framers of that amendment intended no such thing, but it has been interpreted to be a blanket grant of birthright citizenship. For any child born on US soil to illegal alien parents. He said, correcting this would reduce the incentive to enter America illegally. And that's true. Now you can disagree with with the the interpretation of the fourteenth Amendment, but it would limit the incentive. If there were no Fourteenth Amendment, no birthright citizenship, then there would be much less of an incentive for parents to bring their kids here or have kids once they get here in order to connect them with American citizenship, which then unlocks all of the welfare programs. Right now, John Goose over at the John Locke Foundation john lock dot org. He's a senior Fellow for Legal Studies and he's got a jd with honors from Duke Law School. He practiced law in Durham for more than twenty years. And he took a look at the birthright citizenship debate, and there are so First off, to understand sort of the underlying component, you got to look at English common law, where citizenship was determined by where one was born. That's a principle called I'm not gonna well, I will try to pronounce it. I think it's Latin just solely, which means law of the soil, and that became the norm throughout the English speaking world, including the US. And this is what is birthright citizenship. You're born on the soil, that's what makes you American. You're a citizen. But under Roman law, citizenship was something that you inherited from your parents Jus sanguineous or law of the blood. That principle became the norm throughout continental Europe and eventually in much of the world. So these are the two things that sort of guide this understanding of birthright citizenship and why people are considered to be American when they're born here. So here's the fourteenth Amendment. Quote, all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. That's the fourteenth Amendment. And the question here is about that second part that says subject to the jurisdiction thereof. That is what is going to be hashed out that interpretation of what that line means. Under Trump's order, only people born in the US two US citizens and lawful permanent residence only they will be recognized as US citizens by birth. That's the difference. All right, if you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News app. And it's a website and it combines news from around the world in one place, so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, dot news slash pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. I started using ground News a few months ago and more recently chose to work with them as an affiliate because it lets me see clearly how stories get covered and by whom. The blind spot feature shows you which stories get ignored by the left and the right. See for yourself. Check dot ground, dot news slash pete. Subscribe through that link and you'll get fifteen percent off any subscription. I use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it also supports ground News as they make the media landscape more transparent. All right, So John Goose over at John Locke Foundation, he's a senior Fellow for Legal Studies. Gave a guide to the birthright citizenship debate. Under Donald Trump's executive order, only people born in the US two US citizens or born to lawful permanent residents. Only those would be recognized as US citizens by birth. Okay. Now, originalists who oppose the executive order, who say it's unconstitutional, they generally emphasize the plain meaning of the citizenship clause. They will cite historical evidence that they argue that the subject to a country's jurisdiction, that that has always meant subject to that country's judicial authority or to their laws. That's what the phrase meant when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in eighteen sixty eight, and that's what it still means today. Okay. So that's the originalist argument against the order. In this view, the phrase was added to the citizenship clause to reflect the reality that some children born in the US were immune to America's judicial authority at the time, and it remains relevant because some of them still are. The children of foreign diplomats are one example. On the other hand, the children of illegal aliens, as well as children of temporary visitors have never been immune to our laws. There were no federal immigration laws in eighteen sixty eight, none, and no one was classified as an illegal alien or a temporary visitor. Nevertheless, he says, it seems safe to assume that if such classifications had existed at the time, children born to such persons would have been subject to American judicial authority. And today those children certainly are subject to American judicial authority. If they violate a US law, they can be detained, they could be arrested, they could be punished. Right. So that's the originalist argument against Trump's order. Now there are other originalists who argue the opposite. They say Trump can do this. They argue that the plain meaning of the citizens of the citizenship clause may not be what the people who ratified the fourteenth Amendment had in mind. They will cite historical evidence, and they've come up with a number of alternative interpretations that would render Trump's order constitutional if they are accepted by the Supreme Court. The most interesting and imaginative of these ideas, these arguments, is that, in the context of the citizen ship clause, the line that says subject to the jurisdiction thereof the American jurisdiction, that it did not mean subject to American judicial authority. Instead, what it meant was entitled to the protection of the United States. Okay, that you are entitled to the protection of the US. And under this view. The phrase was added to the citizenship clause to reflect the long standing understanding that only children born in the US to parents who have formally or implicitly pledged allegiance to America only they are entitled to that protection. Illegal aliens and temporary visitors right, they have not made such a pledge, and so because they have not made the pledge, they cannot make the pledge. Therefore their children are not entitled to birthright citizenship. Man, I like I just wish they had written the fourteenth Amendment to be a little clearer. You know, this subject to the jurisdiction Thereofugh's created a lot of problems just the way they wrote it. Now, what does he think is going to happen? He says, My expectation is that when the case eventually reaches the Supreme Court, the court is going to find that it does violate the Fourteenth Amendment. And if that happens, those who want to restrict birthright citizenship will have no choice but to amend the US Constitution. And like, if that were to happen, I don't think that they would be able to. I don't think that we are in a place in America where any constitutional amendment is going to be is able to be passed. I just don't think that we're We don't get along enough for that to happen. But that would be the place to do it. Look, I've said this about the Second Amendment opponents, right the gun grabbers. If you guys want to repeal the Second Amendment because you don't like gun ownership in you know, among private citizens, then the way to address that is to repeal the Second Amendment. You should file a bill in the Congress and then go through the steps to ratify an amendment to change the Constitution. That's a very high bar, no doubt about it. But that's the process you're supposed to follow, and depending on what the Supreme Court determines here. And I've seen a lot of people write about this over the last year, and it seems like most of the people that I have been reading, they seem to think even if they even if they don't like the birthright citizenship the way it's operating right now. A lot of them seem to believe that they may not like it, but this is probably going to be struck down. Trump's order is probably going to get struck down as unconstitutional, in which case then you got to repeal it via the way that is spelled out in the constitution. Again, that's the consistent argument. If you don't like the law, then you change it via the process. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 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