Nutball who attacked ICE claims criminal charges are persecution (10-30-2025--Hour2)

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And some of the more egregious stuff occurred with the signing off of subpoenas in a court order to keep it secret from the targets of those subpoenas, including US senators, because they the judge Bosburg, or as I call him bo as Berg, I just find it more fitting and it's more fun to say, but he alleged in this ruling basically to keep it secret that somehow or another, Ted Cruz among others would destroy or tamper with evidence and it would intimidate witnesses or something, and so he couldn't be told that all of his records were being subpoena his phone records. AT and T refused to comply. Verizon not so much. Verizon did comply with the subpoenas. AT and T did not, at least with Ted Cruz. So a couple of messages regarding that, Todd says on the text line, laughing at them, calling Trump a dictator and no kings. Right, Biden was and will go down in history as the most corrupt administration ever. Yeah, this is why the no Kings rhetoric does not persuade me one bit. It just doesn't because it's ridiculous when you look at what Biden did, and now you have people accusing Trump, Oh my gosh, he's going to do these things that like Joe Biden was doing, like oh, we're so afraid of the weaponization of the DOJ and going after political enemies. Yeah, tell me more about it. You've got now multiple times where the Democrat controlled DJ went after Trump and now hundreds of Republicans sitting lawmakers, think tanks, nonprofits, and I'm supposed to believe that, oh my gosh, this is something that Trump is going to do and this would be unprecedented. Yeah, if I hadn't been paying any attention, like over the last minute, then I guess that might be persuasive. Jason says, I am growing more and more. I'm growing more and more on leaning towards completely deconstructing the DOJ and the FBI. There has been no evidence that this won't happen again. I'm not saying abolish, but these organizations have to be reduced and localized in my humble opinion, and this is always the problems, and it's especially one that conservatives grapple with because conservatives are the ones who seek to conserve before tearing down and replacing. Right, that's kind of in the conservative genetics, you know, it's to not just willing nely blow stuff up. It's to Okay, we want to preserve this institution because obviously it was created for some reason, and if it has flaws and it's doing things that it shouldn't be doing, then we should rain that in, but we need to go at it with a scalpel, not a sledgehammer, that kind of approach. But I said probably several years ago now, and I'm still not convinced that I was in error when I said it, But I became convinced that the FBI needs to be just dismantled, just taking apart, because I don't know any other way to address it. You're going to put people in there and they're going to try to make changes. Okay, great, but there's nothing to prevent these kinds of bad actors from getting in there and doing it again as soon as the change agents are gone. You heard Senator Ron Johnson. I played the SoundBite in the last hour. He said, some of these nefarious bureaucrats and bad actors in the DOJ, they have burrowed in. How do you like, how do you identify them? How do you get them out? Like? It's a problem, It's a very big problem. There are a lot of people that participated in these efforts across multiple jurisdictions, all across the country, at all levels of the DOJ and the FBI. You have people in the CIA and the various alphabet intel agencies all over the place. This is a very big problem, and you've got conservatives that want to see heads roll. People need to be held accountable, and if you don't hold them accountable, then it guarantees that it's going to happen again. I said this last night at the News and brus event. It's a quote from Jordan Peterson, which is, unguarded stores of value will be set upon by parasites. You have to protect that which is valuable, whether it's an institution right that has built up credibility through many decades of important and solid work to then just be taken over from the inside, whether it's the judicial system. When you get a bunch of critical race theorists and Marxists that infiltrate and take over. This is what parasites do. They go in and they infest and they feed off the host because it was an unguarded store of value. That value had been accumulated by people over decades or centuries, and then they left it unprotected and then it gets ravaged. This is why the Fabian Socialists, by the way, had as their original mascot and then realized at some point a couple of years down the road, they were like, yeah, I don't think we should use this as a mascot anymore because it may be giving away the game. It was literally a wolf in sheep's clothing. That was their mascot. I'm not kidding. It's a cartoon, it's drawing, but that was their mascot. A wolf in sheep's clothing and the sheep. Remember the sheep is dead. See people kind of think like, oh, look at that, he's just dressed up like a sheep. Like he went down to the five and ten. Do they even have those anymore? Anyway, he went down to the store and bought a sheep costume. No, no, no, no, the wolf killed the sheep and then wore the sheep's skin as a costume. That's the point. That's exactly what Jordan Peterson was talking about. You wear this skin of this respected institution and then demand the respect that that institution had acquired even though you did not do anything except kill it. You gutted it, and you wear its skin. You can see this replicated all across institution, whether it's K twelve education, whether it's colleges, whether it's churches. That's happening a lot, right. You've got these outside groups they come in, they agitate, they take over, and then they gut. They gut that church, and then they walk around with its skin and demand everybody respect it like they had earned it. When they did not, they simply killed the original institution. Now there is a bit of good news. We do have some charges that have been brought against a far left activist podcaster streamer chick who's running for Congress in Illinois. Her name is cat A bug has a lay. That's her name. How nou has a lay? Abug haz a l e h A bug has a lay. That's what it says. I'm just saying that's what it says. So this woman, along with five other protesters, some of whom have ties to local politics, were indicted on federal charges after attempting to block a US Immigration and Customs enforcement vehicle from driving into a federal immigration facility and damage the vehicle in the process. The six people were all indicted on two counts of conspiracy to impede or injure a federal law enforcement officer and forcibly impeding, intimidating, or interfering with a federal law enforcement officer while engaged in official duties. So the Illinois congressional candidate kat A Bug has a lay. She has gone to her or her streaming platform where she is saying, You'll never guess it's political persecution. You know. Stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life, and our stories are told through images and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video started in nineteen ninety seven and Mint Hill, North Carolina. It was the first company to provide this valuable service, converting images, photos and videos into high quality produced slide shows, videos and albums. 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There was about the topic from the first hour about going after the people that weaponize the DOJ and they'll claim now political persecution. Yet that is precisely what this Illinois congressional candidate kat A bug has a lay. That's what she's claiming because she got indicted on two counts of conspiracy to impede or injure a federal law enforcement officer and forcibly impeding, intimidating, or interfering with a federal law enforcement office while engaged in official duties. This was based on an incident that occurred September twenty sixth when this when her, along with five others, tried to block an ICE agent from entering the Broadview Illinois Immigration facility. This is all on video. She's on video. The group banged aggressively quote unquote on the vehicle, pushed against the vehicle to hinder and impede its movement. According to the indictment, it was also reported that the word pig was etched into the vehicle right, so keyed. They keyed the vehicle, and the group damaged not only a side mirror but also the back windshield wiper. So they damaged the vehicle. They attacked it right. They were attacking the vehicle. They were trying to impede the vehicle. They were trying to prevent the law enforcement officer from carrying out their lawful duties. If convicted, there is the potential which I doubt this would happen, but there is the potential to serve up to fourteen years in prison, up to six years for the conspiracy charge and up to eight for the intimidation charge. A Bug Hazila, running for Illinois's ninth congressional district, is one of the many Democrats vying to win the seat after incumbent Representative Jan Schakowski decided to retire. In a recent social media post, she characterized the indictment as quote political persecution, saying this case is a major push by the Trump administration to criminalize protest. That no, you are free to protest. It's right there. I feel like I'm like, I'm channeling that dude eating the dry ramen noodles, pointing to the screen behind him where it shows the First Amendment to peaceably assemble. You can peaceably assemble, but when you start attacking vehicles, that now is not peaceable. That's the difference. Engaging in violence means you are not peaceably assembling. Oh my gosh, words are violence, but violence is not. Meanwhile, US Immigration and Customs enforcement officers are facing a surge in death threats and violent attacks as they carry out the crackdown on illegal immigration. This from foxnews dot Com. Statistics released by the Department of Homeland Security yesterday show that ICE officers are experiencing an eight thousand percent increase in death threats. Eight thousand percent increase, Assistant DHS Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said, quote from bounties placed on their heads for their orders, threats to their families, stalking, dosing. Our officers are experiencing an unprecedented level of violence. There was just recently the other day. Eduardo Agualar, a Mexican national living in the US illegally in Dallas was arrested for allegedly as soliciting the murder of ICE agents. He put it up on TikTok, so he's not the smartest. He's not the smartest guy looking for a hit job. But I have found that to be the case, like when people people try to hire hit men, you know, like you hear about these stories all the time. They're usually not very bright. But maybe that's just the ones that we find out about, you know. The post was written in Spanish and did offer ten thousand dollars for the murder of an ICE agent and called for quote ten dudes in Dallas with determination who are not afraid to and they and he's got little skull emojis. Also in Texas, an ICE officer's spouse was threatened over the phone when a caller said, quote, I don't know how you let your husband work for ICE and you sleep at night? Bleep, you bleep your family. I hope your kids get deported by accident. How do you sleep? Bleep? You Did you hear what happened to the Nazis after World War Two? Because it's what's going to happen to your family, so they're calling ice agent spouses. Meanwhile, over on Blue Sky, the social media platform, apparently all of the calls for death and attacks on Trump and Republicans and such that's apparently not just allowed, but now it's protected. I mean, I can only assume this is the new norm. Welcome to the new norm. Because a jury acquitted a man accused of soliciting Trump's assassination on social media, on Blue Sky, which is that fever swamp of leftism. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. 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Why would they think that, Well, here's the post from February eighteenth, quote take the shot, We'll deal with the fallout. But that is not evidence that he's trying to induce people to commit violence. When he tells them take the shot, that's not telling people to take a shot, see right. His defense lawyers said that those comments are protected by the first and that he never took actual steps to carry out an assassination. You see, he's a former Coastguard officer. I think I saw I believe I saw a report that said he was a sharpshooter. So here's a former coastie who is telling people to take the shot online, along with you know, scores of other posts encouraging people to exact violence on Trump. But that's not an inducement of some kind. The government pointed to Stinson's history of incendiary posts on Twitter formerly known as x as well as Blue Sky, because Blue Sky was the platform that was set up by Jack Dorsey, the founder of Twitter, after he was ousted from Twitter I think twice, and then he went off and started blue Sky, and that then immediately had this migration of all the lefties from Twitter. When Elon bought Twitter, They're like, I hate to Elon, You're letting Republicans to post on Twitter. And so then the lefties go over to blue Sky. And I'm going to get into that a little bit in a minute. But this guy Stinson, after Trump was shot in Butler, Pennsylvania, he posted a bunch of stuff like three inches to the right and the shot would have gone through his eyeball. Practice, practice practice. That's not an inducement, that's not an incitement, though. He's just encouraging people to be a better shot when they happened to completely on their own, without any inducement or incitement, to be better at murdering somebody. The primary expert witness for the defense as a psychologist specializing in online radicalization and social media violence, and this expert argued that prosecutors targeted Stinson without charging all of the other people who post similar sentiments about the president without ever acting on them. See so if you don't charge every person, then you can't charge this guy. Quote. That's just incredible to me that anyone in good faith would say that the fact he posted a bunch of times that he wished the president to be dead, that that's a solicitation of murder. This is University of Maryland professor Jen Goldbeck Stinson, who was indicted before Halligan arrived in the prosecutor's office. He faced a charge under solicitation statute that requires the government to prove his advocacy for the violence is strongly corroborated. One attorney not associated with this case said, the solicitation requires that kind of proof to distinguish idle chatter and protected speech from communications strongly corroborating the speakers intend to have the president killed. In Stanton's case, such evidence would have included, you know, the defendant communicating with somebody that he felt was capable and willing to assassinate Trump. See so that's the standard. Now, so you can go online, you can call for people to be murdered. I guess as long as you don't know who's reading your tweet, and as long as you don't know that somebody reading the tweet is capable and willing, which is impossible to know due to the nature of online discourse. Right, you post something up there and you have no idea who's going to see this stuff. This is why it requires responsibility. This is something that people I know a lot of people may roll their eyes at this, but this is something that people in my line of work, we are taught this. You have a responsibility to not say things that can be construed as inciting violence because you don't ever know who's going to hear it, and you don't ever know how they're going to be maybe motivated by something that you say. So you don't want that on you, and so you watch what you say and you make sure to say that I am not for this thing. But now everybody's got their own printing press, their own radio station, their own TV station, everybody has their own social media platform and they don't understand that responsibility. And due to the nature of the social media world, you post some stupid stuff up there, it goes viral. You have no idea who is hearing or reading what you are saying. This seems like a pretty absurd standard, now it really does. So I can get on there. I can say all sorts of stuff that I could never say on the radio, but I could say stuff on social media, knowing that it may have actually a much wider reach because it's not contained by you know, an FCC regulated radio footprint. It goes far beyond the Charlotte metro area. So I can go on there and just throw all of this stuff out there and incite people towards violence and then say, well, I didn't actually have a direct communication with them. I couldn't know that, you know, one of the million people that saw my call for violence, I didn't know that they were actually willing and capable of performing the violence I was calling for them to do. So now I get to walk away. Yeah, I think there probably needs to be some sort of reinterpretation of what of what the responsibility is I really do. Speaking of Blue Sky, Nate Silver did a write up on a couple of weeks ago, and he dubbed a term called blue skyism. Blue sky Ism. Blue Sky is this Twitter knockoff that was once billed as a kinder gentler alternative to what is now known as X. He says, it's probably not on death's door, but after a burst of growth around the election, it's shrinking and steadily declining an influence even as other corners of the left thrive during Trump's second term. The life and death of social media platforms are dictated by network effects. Although there can sometimes be inflection points, for the most part, their trajectory is pretty predictable. You join them because other people are joining them, and that in turn makes them progressively more useful, and you remain on them out of habit until and unless a critical mass leaves for somewhere else. Did that happen with Blue Sky? The evidence suggests no. All right, if you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why. 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Russ says, I was telling my wife about the ice threats swirling on Blue Sky and accidentally called it lefty socialist media site. I'm going to keep making that mistake. That's a good mistake to keep making. It's not a mistake. Actually, since the election, the platform has lost ground. The number of unique posters has dropped by more than a half since the election. That's when it was really at its peak. And while a dedicated troop of Blue Sky regulars are still skating up a storm, is that the word for it, they call it. When they post over a blue sky, they call it skating skate ski. Okay, they are gaining less and less traction, preaching only to the converted. Blue Sky was popular among the Twitter refugees who hate Elon Musk, and this self selection created a certain type of user, people who adhere to an attitude that Nate Silver dubs Blue skyism, and it should not be mistaken for general left of center political views. It statistically is significantly higher in states with a large white population. It's where most of the use occurs white population and where the percentage of people with advanced degrees is higher. Does a sound familiar? Blue Sky is disproportionately popular in Washington, DC, also in crunchy white states like Vermont and Oregon. Demographics alone only goes so far and explaining Blue Skyism, though it's not a political movement so much as a tribal affiliation, a niche or niche set of attitude and style of discursive norms. Here's the key that almost seemed designed in a lab to be as unappealing as possible to anybody outside of the click. It is so right if you have ever been over there, It is just thoroughly obnoxious. This is a very lengthy piece, by the way, it's over at natesilver dot net called what is blue Skyism? It isn't very influential today. He says, what I call blue skyism has a longer history and predates the platform. It once did have a lot of purchase on Twitter at a moment when Twitter was more influential than it is now, as it often served as the assignment editor for the mainstream media. He is exactly right on that blue Skyism's peak actually came before Blue sky was even a thing, around twenty nineteen twenty twenty. You'll notice that blue skyists often have a lot of nostalgia for this period, the one and perhaps only time when they improbably became the prom king this time, yeah, because they were canceling all of the conservatives off of Twitter. Right. This was at the time when you had the social media platforms that were banning and shadow banning conservatives left and right based on all of these lefties that were in these NGOs that were pressuring the tech companies. And they have to do their part and make to make sure that you know, Donald Trump doesn't win re election and all of that the time he coincided with the twenty twenty presidential primary, when there was a huge gap between the most prominent voices on Twitter and those of the actual Democrat base. The ultimate result was the rejection of various more online and left wing candidates for nostalgia and more centrist Joe Biden. Right, So this was like the first like coalescing of these radical left wingers outside of the you know, the more establishment leaning Democrats. What really matters in elections is simply being popular and winning over new converts. Blue skyism, with its intolerance for dissent, is the opposite of that. Why it had such a foothold on Twitter. As a complicated question, he says, I'm not so sure. He goes on to say Blue skyists love the drama. These pylons that they love to participate in, creates an impression of false consensus. If you were a young journalist, say first year on the job, not having built up the audience to spin a failed cancelation attempt into a popular sub stack, which is so true, Yeah, then they had to have a chilling effect when you would see the pylons happen. If you're a reporter, you don't want that happening to you. The COVID pandemic then further accentuated this by turning everybody very online out of necessity. That gave the Blue skyists a sort of home court advantage. But as we've seen over the past few months, blue Skyist attitudes are not actually winning out in the marketplace of ideas. He claims, as some Blue skyists like to think that, but it's not true. If they were, it would not be the case that Blue Sky is getting just one sixtieth the traffic that Twitter does. The three essential characteristics of Blue Skyism Number one aggressive policing of dissent and censorship okay number one, Number two appeals to authority, and number three humorless scoldy neuroticism yeah, check, check and check yes. Policing of dissent, particularly of people that are just outside the circle right, who might have broader credibility on the center left. This is interesting, see because a lot of conservatives like they're not on Blue Sky there's no reason to be there because of the Blue sky Ism. Who wants to be a part of that? And if you do go over there, you get banned immediately. People who are not even conservative, but are like center and center left leaning. They set up an account and then they are dog piled immediately with report. You know, they get their accounts get reported for hate and problematic thoughts and such, and then they get they get banned. There was one guy, I'm trying to remember who it was. I don't remember Jesse Singaal I think it was. He's like, I think it's him. I think he's center left, but he's done a lot of stuff about the transgender issue that is not trans affirming. And he set up his account. He was banned within a minute. As soon as people found out he was there, they banned him. They just kept report mass reporting his account. That's what they do to the people that are just outside the circle of far leftism. Their biggest enemies are people on the center left like Nate Silver, Matt Iglesias, as reclined, or center left media institutions like The New York Times. And now that means blue skyism is losing the battle of ideas. It just draws the tent narrower, and it ensures that it will remain obscure. There's nothing more Blue skyist than this literally creating a list of shame of Blue Sky posters because they remain on Twitter. They created like how dare you have an account on Twitter as well, and so they've created a list of shame of Blue Sky people. The appeals to authority, particularly academic authority, centering of the suitability of the speaker based on his or her credentials and or identity characteristics as opposed to the strength of his or her argument. That's what they are about over there. He talks about a subculture like Blue Skyism that sees depression as a rational and even virtuous response. Is going to select for a lot of miserable people. And that's who's over there. Being depressed is virtuous on Blue Sky And that's going to mean that you are a self selecting a lot of miserable people. And what do we know about misery? It likes company. So the Blue Skyists gather in a corner exchanging tales of woe while the rest of us just slink away. That is Blue Skyism. And whatever you think about Nate Silver, I think he nails it here. All right. That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 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