NC GOP overrides veto... outrage ensues (12-12-2024--Hour3)

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[00:00:28] Up in Raleigh, Republican lawmakers have overridden Governor Roy Cooper's veto. I believe this is the 29th veto that they have overridden now that they have their supermajority back after Trisha Cotham flipped from Democrat to Republican last year. I think it was last year or this year, whatever. That gave them the supermajority in the House. They had it in the Senate. They maintain it in the Senate.

[00:00:55] And so this was the final session before the new legislature gets sworn in. And the final bill that they took up was Senate Bill 382. The governor had vetoed this. We've covered this. So now the outrage is all that is left.

[00:01:20] Now it is the outrage and the fundraising off of the outrage because we knew that Republicans were going to try to do this to override the veto of Senate Bill 382, which has several components.

[00:01:35] The biggest price tag component wise is the hurricane Helene relief funding.

[00:01:43] $227 million goes into the Helene fund that then gets used for various executive branch agencies. You use that to draw down federal matching dollars. And so like the intricacies of relief spending are Byzantine.

[00:02:05] Okay. Like trying to figure out all of these different pathways for funding to be utilized. It's it's nuts. There are so many different programs and grants and initiatives and funding sources and all of this.

[00:02:19] And so that's the first component. That was the funding bill they ran. And also, as I went over the other day, it had a bunch of temporary easing of building restrictions and stuff.

[00:02:32] So as to allow for temporary shelters to get located on people's properties where state law building codes were being used to prevent these types of temporary shelters from being set up.

[00:02:46] And that forced people to live in tents and such. And everybody, I thought generally agreed.

[00:02:52] It's better to live in a temporary heated shelter. Like a shed even than to be in a lightweight camping tent with snow falling and temperatures below freezing.

[00:03:06] So that so that so they that was part of this bill as well. Now, the bill itself is like 132 pages, I think, and only like 13 of the pages dealt with the Hurricane Helene stuff.

[00:03:17] The other 100, what, 20 pages or so. Dealt with all sorts of other things. Power stripping.

[00:03:26] I'm not talking about that full Monty movie. I'm talking about the moving of appointment powers away from the governor.

[00:03:36] And then there is also change in the way the attorney general operates.

[00:03:43] I'm going to get into that in a second. But this has prompted all of the outrage.

[00:03:46] So how dare the Republicans take power away from the governor?

[00:03:52] It's unconstitutional. OK, first off, I don't believe it actually is unconstitutional.

[00:03:58] Now, maybe I'm sure it's going to get litigated and we'll have some rulings from some lawyers with wardrobe changes.

[00:04:07] But, you know, in the black robes. But like I'm not aware of it being unconstitutional because it has been done repeatedly.

[00:04:17] Four times in the modern era. And it was really unnecessary prior to that, simply because Republicans never won the governorship or lieutenant governorship.

[00:04:28] So when they did finally break through and win a couple of times, Democrats that controlled the legislature for, you know, 150 years almost, they immediately moved to strip the governor of certain powers.

[00:04:40] And when the Republican won Jim Gardner, I believe, when he won the lieutenant governorship, they stripped him of powers.

[00:04:47] That's why the lieutenant governorship right now doesn't really have a lot of power.

[00:04:51] You can thank Democrats for that because they did not want a Republican to do anything.

[00:04:58] So it's not unheard of.

[00:05:02] And if I am to believe that this is unconstitutional, well, then does that mean the Democrats were behaving unconstitutionally when they stripped power from governors?

[00:05:16] Quite the admission.

[00:05:18] But it's one that Democrats, I'm sure, are willing to make now because it has no impact except to try to help themselves.

[00:05:26] Right.

[00:05:27] That's the nice thing about inconsistent standards is that you could just kind of flip on a dime and say, like, for example, oh, no, now we shouldn't pack the court.

[00:05:37] Yeah, because you are not going to be the ones doing the packing.

[00:05:40] Oh, no, no.

[00:05:41] Now we shouldn't get rid of the filibuster.

[00:05:42] Yeah, because you're now going to be in the minority.

[00:05:45] Right.

[00:05:46] You advance these things because you think you're going to be in a position to benefit.

[00:05:51] Oh, no, no.

[00:05:52] That's gerrymandering.

[00:05:54] Meanwhile, you guys gerrymandered for over a century and are still doing it in states you control.

[00:05:59] So I don't have a soft shoulder for Democrats to cry on on these types of matters.

[00:06:07] Does that mean that I support Republicans behaving as the Democrats did?

[00:06:12] No, I would prefer that they not do these things.

[00:06:15] But how can I say don't do these things essentially unilaterally disarm?

[00:06:20] Don't do the thing that these guys did to you because.

[00:06:26] It's not healthy for the society.

[00:06:28] And then what happens?

[00:06:30] They don't lock down power.

[00:06:32] They don't stiff arm Democrats.

[00:06:34] They don't treat them to their own standards.

[00:06:36] Democrats then get to skate past.

[00:06:38] They get to win at some point win back control and then continue to abuse the standards.

[00:06:46] When they're not outright ignoring them.

[00:06:48] The only way that people who behave in this way, the only way they learn is to be treated to the same standard.

[00:06:56] I have become convinced of this.

[00:07:00] I don't know any other way, guys.

[00:07:05] So here's what DNC Chair Jamie Harrison said after this override vote yesterday.

[00:07:12] The North Carolina Republican Party is desperately trying to cling to power after North Carolinians soundly rejected state Republicans at the ballot box this November.

[00:07:22] That's not true.

[00:07:23] OK, that is a lie.

[00:07:28] Voters did not, quote, soundly reject state Republicans.

[00:07:33] They split the council of state.

[00:07:37] They split judgeships.

[00:07:39] Actually, I think Republicans won two of the three.

[00:07:41] Trump carried the state.

[00:07:43] I don't know where this comes from except his his fantasy.

[00:07:49] Rather than respect the will of voters, state Republicans have put up bogus legislation.

[00:07:53] It's not bogus.

[00:07:55] It is, in fact, a piece of legislation.

[00:07:58] That cloaks their attempt to overturn democracy and undermines essential hurricane relief.

[00:08:04] OK, it actually does not undermine essential hurricane relief.

[00:08:09] It doesn't do that thing.

[00:08:11] Stop lying.

[00:08:13] And the left has just taken these talking points and just accepted them as true.

[00:08:19] And that's what I have been arguing with these idiots all day about.

[00:08:26] Because they just they see these statements and they're like, well, it must be true.

[00:08:29] So they do it as they just regurgitate.

[00:08:32] It's like, guys, but it's not true.

[00:08:35] So where are the where are the North Carolina political press corps?

[00:08:39] Where are these reporters?

[00:08:41] Holding.

[00:08:43] You know, powerful people to account for their disinformation.

[00:08:47] Where are you guys on this?

[00:08:50] He called it wrong and un-American and unfortunately emblematic of the Republican Party.

[00:08:57] Desperate attempts to consolidate power at all costs and try instead of trying to better North Carolinians lives.

[00:09:05] Again, Democrats did this three times in the modern era.

[00:09:11] Under.

[00:09:13] Republican governors, two Republican governors, one Republican lieutenant governor.

[00:09:17] Democrats did this to them.

[00:09:18] Were they being un-American?

[00:09:19] Well, that was so long ago, Pete.

[00:09:22] It was the 80s.

[00:09:24] And it was the first time Republicans were finally starting to break through the Republican or the Democrat machine.

[00:09:32] The Democrat machine that controlled this state for over a century since Reconstruction, since they orchestrated a coup.

[00:09:42] And murdered people in Wilmington because they were Republicans and black and they voted out Democrats in Wilmington.

[00:09:51] And the Democrat machine, with the help of the newspaper out of Raleigh at the time, the News and Observer, fomented a race riot.

[00:10:04] The Wilmington riots, the Wilmington massacre, cementing the machine's place in control of the state for over a century.

[00:10:14] And you have the audacity to somehow claim now that this is somehow that the Republicans taking appointment power from the governor for the Board of Elections and moving it over to the state auditor, that that is somehow un-American.

[00:10:33] And this is some unprecedented, never-seen-before example that Republicans are laying down.

[00:10:42] It's just, are you stupid or do you think we are?

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[00:11:48] Bill Belichick.

[00:11:50] Some people are happy.

[00:11:52] So there you go.

[00:11:53] There they, yeah.

[00:11:54] UNC.

[00:11:56] Carolina football hired Bill Belichick.

[00:11:59] I believe he's now going to be the highest state employee, highest paid state employee.

[00:12:04] So good for him.

[00:12:07] And that's the extent of my opinion about it because I don't really care.

[00:12:11] Except for the fact that it's going to cost taxpayer money, but hopefully they can, you know, sell a lot of sponsorships now or something to offset his salary cost.

[00:12:24] Anywho, one of the changes in Senate Bill 382 is affecting the incoming attorney general.

[00:12:35] And that would be Jeff Jackson, a.k.a.

[00:12:37] The baby Jesus.

[00:12:40] That's what his fellow Democrats called him when he was in the General Assembly.

[00:12:46] People ask why.

[00:12:48] It's because he is held up as this perfect and this savior kind of avatar.

[00:12:56] You know, and he kind of walks on water, but he's the baby Jesus.

[00:13:00] He hasn't done anything yet.

[00:13:02] Right?

[00:13:02] He just he's here.

[00:13:04] And everybody's like, oh, yes, he is the one.

[00:13:07] And it's like, yeah, but he's he hasn't done it.

[00:13:08] He's just a baby, you know.

[00:13:12] But he's on the he's on the trajectory.

[00:13:14] And by the way, them calling him that is a reference also to the way the Democrat Party operates in grooming.

[00:13:23] No, not just the kids, but the the grooming of their gubernatorial candidates.

[00:13:29] And so Jeff Jackson is in this pipeline just as Roy Cooper was that Purdue was Mike Easley was.

[00:13:38] Jim Hunt was.

[00:13:40] And Josh Stein is right.

[00:13:43] This is the this is what the party does.

[00:13:46] They clear the field in the primaries and such.

[00:13:50] Like, why do you think Jeff Jackson got out of that U.S.

[00:13:52] Senate race when Sherry Beasley jumped in?

[00:13:55] Right.

[00:13:56] Those those types of decisions.

[00:13:59] Are made with the machine in mind.

[00:14:04] And the Democrats built this machine over a century and a half, and it is very effective.

[00:14:09] It gets governors elected and they do this in their primary system.

[00:14:14] They, you know, they they bully people out of the races.

[00:14:17] They don't have, you know, wild open primaries and the like.

[00:14:21] I mean, we just saw that at the national level as well.

[00:14:24] And there are pros and cons.

[00:14:26] There are tradeoffs to that.

[00:14:28] Right.

[00:14:28] Look, they've been able to hold the governor's mansion for a very long time.

[00:14:35] But over on the Republican side.

[00:14:37] The party structure doesn't get involved in the primaries, at least officially.

[00:14:42] And what you end up then having is.

[00:14:46] Sometimes some bad candidates get through and you have more of a populist flavor to the to the campaigns.

[00:14:55] And so you end up with people that come out of nowhere like Mark Robinson did.

[00:14:59] And they may not make great gubernatorial candidates.

[00:15:03] And that's, again, tradeoffs.

[00:15:05] These are all tradeoffs.

[00:15:08] But there was a very interesting admission, I thought, that was made by the NPR affiliate here in Charlotte when doing this story.

[00:15:16] All right.

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[00:15:47] So the public radio affiliate across the street there.

[00:15:50] Well, not really across the street.

[00:15:51] Across town.

[00:15:53] Full disclosure.

[00:15:54] I worked there for about two years, I want to say.

[00:15:57] I was not on the air except for the one time when I was begging people for money, which I think they're doing now.

[00:16:03] They're in the middle of their.

[00:16:06] I think this is their.

[00:16:10] Twelfth monthly fundraising effort.

[00:16:14] So they are.

[00:16:15] I'm just kidding.

[00:16:16] They don't do it every month.

[00:16:19] But I had a good experience there.

[00:16:21] I enjoyed the people I worked with.

[00:16:23] I grew up listening to NPR.

[00:16:26] So I am not here to drag NPR.

[00:16:29] I could if I wanted to, but I'm not here to do that.

[00:16:33] The piece here at WFAE dot org by Steve Harrison.

[00:16:38] And I have followed Steve.

[00:16:40] I remember when Steve first got hired on.

[00:16:42] He worked at the Charlotte Observer, covered city council meetings.

[00:16:45] I was there.

[00:16:45] We would cover the same meetings and such.

[00:16:48] Nice guy.

[00:16:48] Does good work, I think.

[00:16:50] But there's a headline on this piece that says attorneys general are part of the resistance.

[00:16:58] The GOP is close to ending that.

[00:17:01] And I found that to be an interesting admission.

[00:17:06] Attorneys general are part of the resistance, which is how the left sees themselves fighting against the tyranny of Donald Trump.

[00:17:16] Right.

[00:17:17] When, in fact, if you are looking at sort of a Star Wars related kind of analogy, wouldn't I wouldn't the Trump crowd be closer to the resistance?

[00:17:29] Wouldn't they be the ones like they're like the oddball assortment of weird people and crazy character?

[00:17:36] You got the Elon and the vague and RFK Jr.

[00:17:40] This whole just mishmash Tulsi Gabbards in there.

[00:17:44] You know, you got these different oddballs that are all I should say oddball, but these different people that are just like from all these different backgrounds.

[00:17:50] But they all come together for and not in like a left wing intersectionality kind of a way, you know.

[00:17:57] Anyway, I found that to be an interesting admission that attorneys general are going to be pressed into service for the resistance against Donald Trump.

[00:18:09] So Senate Bill 382 strips the attorney general of the ability.

[00:18:20] Well, strips the governor of the ability to appoint members to the state board of elections.

[00:18:25] That's now going to go over to the state auditor.

[00:18:29] That's a Republican.

[00:18:30] As for the attorney general, Jeff Jackson coming in.

[00:18:38] The bill says.

[00:18:39] That the attorney general is not authorized to take any position on behalf of the state of North Carolina that is contrary to or inconsistent with the position of the general assembly.

[00:18:52] So in other words, if the general assembly gets sued over a law, the attorney general is not permitted to block.

[00:19:03] That law or to argue against that law because the general assembly.

[00:19:10] Is the client of the attorney general.

[00:19:12] This has been a fight that's been going on for a while.

[00:19:15] If I had to put a date on it, I would say 2011 because that's when Republicans won control of the general assembly and Democrats have never lost the attorney general office.

[00:19:31] There's never been a Republican, I think, in the history of North Carolina since the Civil War.

[00:19:36] So.

[00:19:37] When the Republicans come in.

[00:19:39] Now you have Roy Cooper as a G.

[00:19:42] Refusing to do his job.

[00:19:44] He's not going to defend the attorney.

[00:19:46] The legislature.

[00:19:47] Josh Stein comes in.

[00:19:48] He does the same thing.

[00:19:49] And the general assembly has been passing laws to allow them to hire lawyers so they can defend their laws in court.

[00:19:57] That's how you ended up with the collusive agreement between Josh Stein's office, the board of elections and the leftists who sued over the election laws in 2020.

[00:20:09] And so the legislature is saying no more of this.

[00:20:13] I know it's outrageous, right?

[00:20:16] It says the attorney general shall not as a party amicus or amicus or any other participant in an action pending before a state or federal court in another state advance any argument that would result in the invalidation of any statute enacted by the general assembly.

[00:20:33] And what does that mean?

[00:20:33] It means simply you can't go in and argue against North Carolina.

[00:20:40] Adopted law.

[00:20:42] Because you're the attorney general for the state of North Carolina.

[00:20:45] You're supposed to go in and defend the state and its laws.

[00:20:48] Because you should not be going into other venues in other states or at the federal level trying to get laws overturned.

[00:20:56] Not your job.

[00:20:59] That might mean that Jeff Jackson cannot join other states lawsuits going against Republican positions on a contentious issue like transgender athletes being barred from girls sports.

[00:21:13] That's just one issue.

[00:21:15] But that's probably going to be an issue.

[00:21:17] Right?

[00:21:18] You've got the state adopting a law that says boys can't play in girls sports.

[00:21:24] And then you could have the attorney general coming in and saying I'm not going to defend the state if it gets sued.

[00:21:30] Or I'm going to actually argue against the state.

[00:21:36] Jackson said the purpose of the attorney general is to be the voice of the people.

[00:21:41] And this will make that harder in a way that is more than is simply symbolic.

[00:21:48] Okay.

[00:21:49] The purpose of the attorney general is not to be the voice of the people.

[00:21:53] I know that probably sounds good to your over emotional left winger base.

[00:21:59] But that's not the job of the attorney general.

[00:22:05] It's the same thing he said.

[00:22:06] Like oh you know he's the top prosecutor of the state.

[00:22:10] No.

[00:22:10] The attorney general is not a prosecutor.

[00:22:14] Republican Pat Ryan.

[00:22:16] He led the GOP Senate leader Phil Berger's comms team from 2018 through 2022.

[00:22:21] He told WFAE that the move on Jackson goes back to two main issues.

[00:22:26] The first goes back to 2017 when Republicans were trying to push through the photo ID law.

[00:22:33] Which had been struck down by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals that accused the Republicans of targeting black voters with almost surgical precision.

[00:22:42] That the left loves to use that line from the judges ruling.

[00:22:49] Then Governor Pat McQuarrie a Republican appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

[00:22:53] But then he lost to Cooper in that election.

[00:22:58] And in early 2017 Cooper comes in and the newly elected attorney general Josh Stein moves to dismiss the appeal.

[00:23:08] So I'm not even going to defend it because I don't agree with it.

[00:23:11] I think it's unconstitutional.

[00:23:17] Yo Roy 2D2 that's not your job.

[00:23:20] That's not your job.

[00:23:22] The Republican effort to get the conservative Supreme Court to hear the case fell apart.

[00:23:27] John Roberts declined to hear it given the blizzard of filings over who is and who is not authorized to seek review in the court under North Carolina law.

[00:23:35] So the Supreme Court did not take up the appeal, couldn't rule on it because of the actions of Stein.

[00:23:43] Breaking precedent.

[00:23:45] Rewriting a standard.

[00:23:48] Ryan said that was pretty clear sabotage of the voter ID case before the U.S. Supreme Court.

[00:23:53] The second main flashpoint came in 2020.

[00:23:57] So the second main flashpoint between the legislature and the attorney general's office came in 2020.

[00:24:04] As I mentioned before, Democrat Party aligned groups sued the Board of Elections and the lawmakers, the General Assembly, trying to make it easier to vote by mail because of the pandemic.

[00:24:18] In September, Stein announced a settlement in that case.

[00:24:23] This is the September 2020.

[00:24:25] So this is like the election year.

[00:24:29] Among the changes was watering down the requirement that at least one witness sign the mail ballot.

[00:24:35] That was the requirement.

[00:24:37] And they tried to water it down.

[00:24:39] The Democrats, two Democrats, the changes were a common sense approach during a raging pandemic.

[00:24:46] Republicans were outraged.

[00:24:48] They viewed this settlement as collusion with Democrats suing to change voting laws.

[00:24:55] Right.

[00:24:56] So Republicans passed the law and then Democrats don't like it.

[00:25:00] So they sue the state and then.

[00:25:04] They get a Democrat attorney general.

[00:25:07] To agree with.

[00:25:10] Them.

[00:25:11] The plaintiffs suing.

[00:25:13] And then they negotiate a settlement between just all the Democrat parties and they cut out the Republican legislature.

[00:25:21] How is that right?

[00:25:23] I railed against this at the time.

[00:25:26] How is that acceptable?

[00:25:28] This is why the legislature called it a collusive agreement, because you have people of like mind, of like political philosophy and ideology.

[00:25:39] The things.

[00:25:39] And by the way, the things that these Democrats sued over to get as part of the collusive agreement were things that the state board of elections director, Karen Brinson Bell, Democrat, demanded that the legislature put in place.

[00:25:53] And the legislature said no.

[00:25:55] They did some other reforms.

[00:25:57] They did some other things.

[00:25:59] But she wasn't satisfied.

[00:26:00] She tried to do an end run around them.

[00:26:02] They shut that down.

[00:26:03] So then they get sued.

[00:26:05] And then the attorney general enters the deal outside of the knowledge of the lawmakers.

[00:26:13] Right.

[00:26:14] So.

[00:26:16] Senate Bill 382 now is going to prohibit the attorney general from behaving like a complete jerk.

[00:26:27] Maybe.

[00:26:28] I don't know.

[00:26:29] We'll see.

[00:26:29] But like the whole point is, you know, stop doing this kind of thing.

[00:26:33] You're supposed to represent the general assembly.

[00:26:36] Now, that being said, I would still want somebody else as a co-counsel because I don't trust Jeff Jackson as the attorney general.

[00:26:42] If he's my lawyer, I'm not trusting him.

[00:26:44] I would want somebody else co-counsel to be like letting me know how is this actually going?

[00:26:49] Are they really making the best arguments here?

[00:26:52] Jackson would be prohibited.

[00:26:54] This according to WFA's news story.

[00:26:56] Jackson would be prohibited from entering into a settlement like the one that Stein did four years ago before the election.

[00:27:04] And it's arguable that Jackson could not withdraw an appeal as Stein and Cooper did in 2017 over the voter ID.

[00:27:13] Does this seem that just step back?

[00:27:17] Does this sound like a reasonable, rational response to perceived and I would argue actual grievances?

[00:27:27] That you feel like your attorney cut a deal to screw you over against what your position is in a lawsuit.

[00:27:38] The people that are part of your legal team and they cut a deal with the plaintiff and don't even they don't even tell you they're having the negotiations.

[00:27:47] They just show up in court one day and like, yeah, we got a settlement.

[00:27:49] Do you feel like you might be a little outraged about that?

[00:27:52] Do you feel like you might be a little traumatized to use a word that's popular among the left now that you are you're suffering some trauma when you're litigating a matter?

[00:28:05] And then all of a sudden your lawyer is like, yeah, you know what?

[00:28:07] I know you want to appeal, but I'm not going to do that.

[00:28:10] Wait, what?

[00:28:12] Yeah, I don't like your case.

[00:28:13] I don't agree with what you're arguing.

[00:28:15] So we're not going to represent you.

[00:28:17] Do you think you might have some some feelings about trying to rein in that kind of action?

[00:28:23] So that's what they have done.

[00:28:26] In recent years, attorneys general have become part of the resistance during Donald Trump's first term.

[00:28:32] Democrat attorneys general filed numerous lawsuits against his administration.

[00:28:36] Republican attorneys general did the same thing under President Biden.

[00:28:39] South Carolina, Allen Wilson, the AG Allen Wilson routinely joins coalitions of Republican attorneys.

[00:28:50] See, so as a standard.

[00:28:53] This is going to block attorneys general from entering into lawsuits where the legislature has taken a different position.

[00:29:04] Right. If the legislature bans.

[00:29:08] Transgender surgeries on two year olds.

[00:29:11] And Jeff Jackson's like, I don't agree with that.

[00:29:14] And he joined some sort of coalition of state attorneys general to sue.

[00:29:20] So parents can, you know.

[00:29:23] Mutilate their their two year olds.

[00:29:25] He wouldn't be able to do that.

[00:29:27] And the legislature says that's not your job.

[00:29:29] You're not supposed to be doing that.

[00:29:30] By the way, as a standard, this will work against Republicans doing the same thing.

[00:29:37] So if you don't like Republican attorneys general engaging in this kind of behavior, then it seems to me like you should support.

[00:29:46] This provision in Senate Bill 382.

[00:29:48] But of course they don't because they have the power right now as attorney general and have for over 100 years.

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