NC early voting spells trouble for Democrats (11-04-2024--Hour3)

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[00:00:28] So first, South Carolina. More than 45% of registered voters across South Carolina have already cast their ballot. John Michael Catalano, which is the quintessential South Carolina name. I'm just kidding. I have no idea where Catalano is from. If I had to guess, no. But he is with the State Election Commission.

[00:00:57] And he said the Palmetto State's first presidential election with early voting has been a success. There were 1.57 million total ballots received. And that is about 45.4% of all registered voters. There are about 3.5 million registered voters in South Carolina.

[00:01:20] The most ballots ever cast in an election in the Palmetto State was in 2020, the last election. There were around 2.5 million votes cast. So, he says, with just a million votes on Election Day, we could pass that record.

[00:01:39] And he says he would not be surprised to see that. So, there you go. 45% of South Carolina registered voters voted early already.

[00:01:50] In North Carolina, over 4.2 million North Carolinians cast their ballots in person during the early voting period.

[00:02:01] According to the State Board of Elections, this exceeds the previous statewide record.

[00:02:07] We're more than 3.6 million. So, we bested it by about 600,000 votes, early votes.

[00:02:15] As of Sunday morning, so, remember, early voting ended on Saturday.

[00:02:22] And as of Sunday morning, 4.5 million voters across the state had cast their ballot already.

[00:02:31] And that is 57% of all registered voters in North Carolina.

[00:02:37] So, I think the difference there, what was South Carolina? 45%? Yeah.

[00:02:42] 45% and North Carolina's at 57%.

[00:02:46] So, a difference of like 12 percentage points.

[00:02:49] I think that's probably attributed to South Carolina not being as familiar with the early voting option.

[00:02:59] I suspect. I don't know that.

[00:03:02] But, it could also be that, you know, Republicans don't want to go early vote for whatever reason.

[00:03:10] I'm not persuaded by reasons I have heard in, you know, over these years about why I refuse to vote early.

[00:03:16] Like, it's just.

[00:03:18] Anyway, I'm not persuaded by any of those arguments.

[00:03:20] But, people prefer to wait until the last day to vote on Election Day.

[00:03:25] And, like, I've always voted Election Day. I'm going to vote Election Day.

[00:03:27] Okay, go ahead.

[00:03:28] Unless, of course, you know, something happens to you and then you can't vote.

[00:03:30] And, then your vote doesn't count.

[00:03:32] But, I think as South Carolina does more early voting, I suspect those numbers will probably go a little bit higher.

[00:03:43] But, remember also, as a proportion, you've got way more Republican voters than Democrat voters in South Carolina.

[00:03:50] So, that may be driving some of that disparity, too.

[00:03:54] A look out west.

[00:03:57] The 25 western North Carolina counties that were affected by Hurricane Helene continue to outpace the rest of the state.

[00:04:07] Through the end of Saturday, voter turnout in those 25 counties was approaching 59 percent.

[00:04:15] 2 percent higher than the statewide total.

[00:04:19] Which is impressive.

[00:04:21] Polls are open tomorrow on Election Day, starting at 6.30 in the morning and closing at 7.30 at night.

[00:04:31] Jim Blaine.

[00:04:33] I've mentioned him before.

[00:04:35] He is a Republican campaign consultant guy.

[00:04:38] His firm is called The Differentiators, along with, oh my goodness, is it Mike Short, I think is his name?

[00:04:47] I'm drawing a blank.

[00:04:49] I apologize.

[00:04:50] But, former, these guys worked with Phil Berger's office, the state senate president pro tem.

[00:05:00] And they went off and started their own firm.

[00:05:02] They do campaign consulting work and management and stuff.

[00:05:06] I believe they ran Ted Budd's campaign.

[00:05:09] So, or were working on his campaign.

[00:05:11] So, he crunches the numbers on the early voting in North Carolina.

[00:05:18] And unaffiliated surpassed Republicans.

[00:05:22] On the final day, unaffiliated finally got past the Republicans.

[00:05:28] So, the total for unaffiliated ended up being just under 1.5 million.

[00:05:34] Whereas, Republicans were at 1.478.

[00:05:37] So, like 1.48.

[00:05:40] And Democrats were third at 1.43.

[00:05:43] Or 1.44.

[00:05:46] So, how does that compare with four years ago?

[00:05:49] Now, I recognize that four years ago, it was COVID.

[00:05:52] And so, you had all of these wacky rules that got put in place.

[00:05:55] But, if you compare the 24 early voting performance to the 2020 early voting performance,

[00:06:05] unaffiliated's increased by about 108,000 votes.

[00:06:09] 109,000.

[00:06:11] Republicans were up by about 29,000.

[00:06:15] And Democrats were down by 268,000 votes.

[00:06:23] So, this is a big problem for Democrats.

[00:06:27] They know this, by the way.

[00:06:29] I'm not telling them anything they don't already know.

[00:06:31] They know this is a big problem.

[00:06:33] This is why you're seeing them, you know, canvassing.

[00:06:37] I mean, there were two of them, I think, that I saw over the weekend.

[00:06:41] Walking around, handing out literature and stuff.

[00:06:46] Blaine says,

[00:06:47] The big story of early voting is that the Democrats are missing about a quarter of a million voters as compared to 2020.

[00:06:56] Will they be able to get them out?

[00:06:58] Don't know.

[00:06:59] Who are these voters?

[00:07:01] He's got some data on that.

[00:07:03] He says,

[00:07:16] Okay, so polls close tomorrow, right?

[00:07:24] At 730, you're then going to start counting the ballots at that point.

[00:07:29] And then they'll be dumping.

[00:07:31] And I've seen, or I should say, posting them online.

[00:07:34] They'll be posting the results.

[00:07:36] I've seen some predictions that expect those numbers to start going up at like 830, 8 or 830.

[00:07:45] But who knows?

[00:07:48] Who knows?

[00:07:49] Because the legislature changed the law.

[00:07:52] They used to be able to count the early votes ahead of time.

[00:07:56] Like on election day, they would be counting the early votes.

[00:07:59] And so when the polls would close at 730, they would then post up all of the early vote totals.

[00:08:05] So you would get some data.

[00:08:07] And then we would be sitting there looking at the website for like another, you know, hour and a half, two hours or so, waiting on updates to keep coming in.

[00:08:16] And we would only have the early voting numbers.

[00:08:19] So we may not even have the early voting numbers for like the first hour and a half, two hours, two and a half hours.

[00:08:26] Lucky us, right?

[00:08:28] Okay.

[00:08:30] So there's that.

[00:08:31] But this is what Blaine is expecting, that Trump will be tied or have a slight lead in the early vote numbers, which kind of makes sense because you've seen such overperformance.

[00:08:44] And remember, keep in mind, I know people like to say like, oh, I'm an independent because they're registered as an unaffiliated voter.

[00:08:52] Okay.

[00:08:52] There is no such thing as an independent voter in North Carolina.

[00:08:56] Even if you call yourself that, it doesn't exist.

[00:09:00] Okay.

[00:09:00] There are unaffiliated voters.

[00:09:02] And when you look at the actual voting habits of unaffiliated voters, they are actually partisan voters too.

[00:09:12] They just are not registered with the parties.

[00:09:14] You end up with a lot of people who become angry at the party because it's not pure enough for them.

[00:09:24] People who do not like the Republican Party because it did this thing or that thing or it changed its view on this issue or that issue, whatever.

[00:09:34] Same on the Democrat side.

[00:09:35] So they disaffiliate.

[00:09:38] They're like, I'm leaving the Republican Party.

[00:09:40] I don't like them anymore.

[00:09:41] Some of these people were actual campaign volunteers.

[00:09:46] They would work on campaigns.

[00:09:48] They would work for the party.

[00:09:50] They then get into fights.

[00:09:52] I covered a bunch of them out in Western North Carolina.

[00:09:55] There were a lot of fights with the Haywood Five.

[00:09:58] Like they get into arguments with the party leadership.

[00:10:02] And then these voters disaffiliate.

[00:10:05] Does that mean they're going to vote Democrat?

[00:10:06] Oh, hell no.

[00:10:07] They're not voting Democrat.

[00:10:09] They're still going to vote Republican.

[00:10:10] But they are registered unaffiliated.

[00:10:12] So how do they break out?

[00:10:14] Usually it's about 50-50.

[00:10:17] So the unaffiliated generally don't tell you a whole lot unless you can get demographic data from the people who showed up and voted.

[00:10:29] Right?

[00:10:30] Like if you're a female from Chapel Hill with a college degree, I'm pretty sure you're a voting Democrat.

[00:10:36] Right?

[00:10:37] You're married guy, white in Henderson County out west.

[00:10:46] You're probably voting Republican.

[00:10:49] But because the Republicans over or they beat Democrats in the total number, just the actual number of voters, chances are they are going to be leading in the early vote totals.

[00:11:31] Right?

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[00:12:23] All right, some of the data points here from Jim Blaine with the Differentiators, political consultant guy.

[00:12:31] And he talks about the type of voter that is now left.

[00:12:37] You've heard people talk about the cannibalizing of Election Day votes.

[00:12:42] We've covered some of this, too.

[00:12:43] That's the big concern with early voting is that who are you getting out to the polls in early voting?

[00:12:49] And if it's just going to be the same people that usually vote on Election Day and you just get them to vote early and then there isn't anybody else to show up on Election Day, that's not like that's not good.

[00:13:03] I mean, it's good that you get people to vote, but there's no there's no benefit to early voting versus Election Day.

[00:13:11] If you're not getting additional voters.

[00:13:14] Right.

[00:13:14] And I went over some of this last week.

[00:13:17] And I was actually at a I was at a gathering this weekend and where I heard a bunch of young guys talking about Donald Trump's appearance on Joe Rogan.

[00:13:28] I was not involved in that conversation.

[00:13:30] I'm just saying I like I go to these things.

[00:13:33] Nobody knows who I am.

[00:13:35] So I just, you know, eavesdrop on everybody.

[00:13:37] I take notes, which then usually gets me ejected.

[00:13:40] But I was listening to these guys talk and.

[00:13:44] They were all talking about Trump's appearance on Joe Rogan, and they were not all Trump supporters.

[00:13:51] There were sounded like there was at least one Trump guy in that little because like there was like six of these guys that were, you know, on the side talking.

[00:14:00] But it was just it was interesting.

[00:14:02] It was just like, you know, regular people talking about Joe Rogan's podcast.

[00:14:06] And these were all guys.

[00:14:08] And they were like, oh, if you just listen to the show and just listen to the podcast and Trump in his own words and all that stuff.

[00:14:14] I thought it was interesting.

[00:14:16] But.

[00:14:18] The Republicans.

[00:14:20] Have been turning out people.

[00:14:25] They have they have between 30,000 to 60,000.

[00:14:29] More people, these high propensity voters.

[00:14:32] Right.

[00:14:32] So you have high propensity and low propensity.

[00:14:35] I don't know if you have just propensity voters like a medium propensity.

[00:14:40] I don't know.

[00:14:41] Maybe there are.

[00:14:41] I've never heard them mentioned.

[00:14:43] All I ever hear is high and low.

[00:14:45] So people who are going to vote on Election Day, those are the high propensity ones.

[00:14:50] And those are the ones that if you get them to vote early, that's basically cannibalizing your Election Day turnout.

[00:14:56] OK, so there are more.

[00:14:59] High propensity voters who still have not voted.

[00:15:02] Like by the actual number, 30 to 60,000 more high propensity voters in the Republican camp than there are in the Democrat camp.

[00:15:16] Which that's a really big problem because it tells me then that the Election Day high propensity voters for Democrats.

[00:15:26] They cannibalized.

[00:15:30] And they have not gotten the low propensity voters out.

[00:15:34] That's the problem.

[00:15:35] And I went over this last week, but let's say you've got, let's say you're a campaign worker.

[00:15:40] It doesn't matter which campaign, but let's say you're working for a campaign or a party.

[00:15:44] And every single day you get the printout from the Board of Elections of who hasn't voted because they do.

[00:15:51] They get these printouts in North Carolina.

[00:15:53] It's public record who has voted, not how you voted, but who has voted.

[00:15:56] So you get a list.

[00:15:58] And every day you've got to make a call.

[00:15:59] You've got to send text messages or maybe go to their house.

[00:16:02] Like you've got a list of like 50 people and you've got to get all of them to turn out.

[00:16:08] Every single day you get a new list.

[00:16:10] Every single day.

[00:16:12] The more people that vote early means that you can now clear people off that list.

[00:16:18] And when they regenerate the list the next day, you've got another 50 people.

[00:16:22] And so you're moving down this list of high propensity to low propensity.

[00:16:26] You're getting to more of these people.

[00:16:28] Now, if I work for a campaign and I'm not getting my people to turn out, my list may start at 50.

[00:16:35] But if I can't get them to go vote, the next day I may have 70.

[00:16:40] I may have 80.

[00:16:42] Which means what?

[00:16:43] Fewer contacts with every person on that list.

[00:16:48] So now I have a longer list by number, but I end up with worse results.

[00:16:54] I end up with getting fewer people out to the polls because I'm not able to make as much contact as you are because your list keeps getting shorter.

[00:17:03] And my list keeps getting longer.

[00:17:05] So you could have a list of 50 and turn out 30 of them.

[00:17:08] And I get a list of 70 and I only turn out 20.

[00:17:12] See, this is like this is a problem for the Democrat Party.

[00:17:17] Now, you hate to see it.

[00:17:19] One other data point here from Jim Blaine.

[00:17:23] Democrats have somewhere between 60 to 100,000 more low propensity voters who have not voted than the GOP has.

[00:17:33] Which means what?

[00:17:35] I know it's like the way this sentence is structured, I know is probably a little difficult to follow.

[00:17:40] But Democrats have between 60 to 100,000 more low propensity voters who have not voted than the GOP.

[00:17:47] Meaning the Republicans have gotten low propensity voters out and Democrats have not.

[00:17:54] So Democrats have to turn out now their low propensity voters on Election Day in order to give Kamala Harris a chance to win North Carolina.

[00:18:05] And that's the problem with low propensity voters.

[00:18:08] They don't tend to show up.

[00:18:11] That's kind of why they're called low propensity.

[00:18:15] Let me go over and talk to John.

[00:18:17] Hello, John.

[00:18:18] Welcome to the program.

[00:18:20] Good Monday to you, Pete.

[00:18:21] Hey, buddy.

[00:18:22] What's up?

[00:18:23] Hey, this low propensity voter turnout for the Republicans is not an accident.

[00:18:30] This was Trump's campaign plan from the beginning.

[00:18:36] It's called Trump Force 47.

[00:18:38] And, you know, this has been in effect for months now.

[00:18:41] And when they first brought it out, I got to tell you, I was kind of skeptical because they were like, we're not going after, you know, the independents.

[00:18:48] We're not trying to register new voters.

[00:18:50] We're focusing on Republicans, but those that are, you know, don't vote often.

[00:18:56] And that's, you know, just keep going.

[00:18:59] Knock on their door every day if you have to.

[00:19:02] But you create this relationship with them and you just keep going until Election Day and get them out to vote.

[00:19:11] And they used this in Ohio the last cycle and actually turned out voters 6 percent higher than the previous cycle.

[00:19:21] So, you know, this was their plan.

[00:19:24] And I got to tell you, it looks like it's working.

[00:19:26] It does.

[00:19:27] And so the idea there is also that the high propensity voters, they're going to turn out anyway.

[00:19:34] So you don't really need to focus a lot of effort on them in the early stages.

[00:19:39] Right.

[00:19:40] And most of them typically vote on Election Day, even though, you know, we begged them to go early.

[00:19:47] But, you know, there's still some that are going to wait till Tuesday.

[00:19:50] And, you know, it's looking like a good day for North Carolina so far.

[00:19:57] You know, don't want to jinx anything.

[00:19:58] But I think the plan that they came up with is working.

[00:20:01] Yeah.

[00:20:02] Well, I mean, it does at least in North Carolina appear that way.

[00:20:05] And I am always wary to, you know, to not send messages that, you know, the election is settled.

[00:20:14] It's obviously not.

[00:20:15] You still have to turn out all of these voters on Election Day itself.

[00:20:19] Because, again, you know, we had, what, 57 percent vote early, which means there's still another 43 percent that haven't voted.

[00:20:26] And that means that if, you know, people or parties are able to turn out in greater numbers tomorrow, it could completely reverse whatever trend may have existed from election from early voting.

[00:20:39] That's true.

[00:21:07] That means that if you have to pass out flyers.

[00:21:09] So, you know, anything can happen tomorrow.

[00:21:13] But as long as Republicans keep their foot on the gas and keep trying to score points until the whistle blows, it's going to be a good day.

[00:21:22] Yeah.

[00:21:23] Now I hear you.

[00:21:24] John, thanks, man.

[00:21:24] I appreciate the call.

[00:21:26] Have a great day.

[00:21:26] All right, bud.

[00:21:27] You too.

[00:21:29] Three more data points.

[00:21:34] Trump won North Carolina.

[00:21:36] So going back to his first run in 2016, eight years ago.

[00:21:41] Trump won North Carolina by about 175,000 votes.

[00:21:47] Okay.

[00:21:49] 175.

[00:21:52] The next cycle in 2020, he only won it by 75,000.

[00:21:57] So he lost 100,000 votes.

[00:22:01] Not that they all went for Biden, but that they, that was the margin.

[00:22:05] Um, then two years ago in 2020, Ted Budd won North Carolina by 120,000 votes.

[00:22:17] Those are the data points offered up by Jim Blaine.

[00:22:20] Here's another data point.

[00:22:22] Um, this day in history, the day before the election, one day to go before the election.

[00:22:30] If you look at the real clear politics average for, for all of its warts, good and bad, whatever.

[00:22:37] But again, like if you're looking at trends, this is one data point to look at.

[00:22:43] The national real clear politics average in 2016 was plus 3% for Clinton, plus 7% for Biden.

[00:22:55] And right now it's Trump plus 0.1%.

[00:23:02] And this goes to what we've talked about this before over the last year, which is that Trump

[00:23:08] underperforms in polling, overperforms at the ballot box.

[00:23:14] This has been attributed to the shy voter, shy Trump voter, people who don't want to say

[00:23:19] that they're voting for Trump.

[00:23:20] So they lie to the polling outfits that call them, right?

[00:23:25] There are different reasons for this sampling problems, stuff like that.

[00:23:30] But what I look at is, okay, Clinton was polling ahead of Trump by 3% and lost.

[00:23:38] Biden was winning by like 7% and won.

[00:23:45] So that tells me that there's like a 3% margin there, right?

[00:23:52] 3% to 4% that if Harris was up by one point, by two points, even maybe by three points, she

[00:24:01] could still lose.

[00:24:03] The fact that Trump is up, even if it's only 0.1%, that indicates to me that he's got a larger margin.

[00:24:12] Now that's just the national average.

[00:24:14] If you go to the real clear politics trend for just North Carolina based on North Carolina polling,

[00:24:23] in 2016, it was Trump plus 0.8.

[00:24:28] And remember with the number I just gave you, he won it by 175,000 votes.

[00:24:33] And Trump was polling at just under 1% above Clinton.

[00:24:39] Four years ago, Trump won again, but by a much smaller margin, right?

[00:24:45] And the polling trend in real clear politics, he went from a 0.8 advantage down to a 0.2 advantage.

[00:24:56] And he still won, but he won by a smaller margin.

[00:25:00] So that seems to track for North Carolina.

[00:25:04] So what is the number now?

[00:25:06] Trump plus 1.5.

[00:25:08] That's larger than either of the last two cycles that he had run it.

[00:25:12] Again, that indicates to me that he is underperforming in the polling for whatever reasons.

[00:25:20] And that his track record is that he will overperform that 1.5% on election day.

[00:25:25] But we shall see.

[00:25:27] By the way, there is a new poll out from East Carolina, ECU.

[00:25:31] And it says, this is their final poll.

[00:25:35] Trump 50%, Harris 48%.

[00:25:39] And in the governor's race, Stein at 55%, Robinson at 40%.

[00:25:46] So I mentioned the polling from East Carolina showing Josh Stein up by 15 points in their last poll.

[00:25:56] Again, I don't put a whole lot of faith in individual polls.

[00:26:00] I tend to look at the trend line, but the trend line for Robinson has not been very good.

[00:26:06] And then there's this from Longleaf Politics, our pal Andrew Dunn, writing at longleafpol.com.

[00:26:13] The Republican candidate for governor pulled his TV ads after the devastating CNN story broke.

[00:26:21] And he has been dark there ever since.

[00:26:24] But now it appears that Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson's campaign has stopped running digital ads as well.

[00:26:31] As of November 3rd, I can find no record of ads running on Google or Facebook.

[00:26:39] Robinson's last Google ad finished its run on September 20th.

[00:26:47] That's like over a month ago.

[00:26:51] That would be the day after the CNN story dropped.

[00:26:56] The final Facebook ads ran on October 22nd.

[00:27:04] Robinson's complete abandonment of advertising in the closing days of the campaign may end up having an effect down the ballot.

[00:27:11] See, people talking, there was a bunch of wish casting.

[00:27:14] Remember when the story first broke, they were like, oh, is this Robinson scandal going to impact Donald Trump?

[00:27:19] The answer on that is no.

[00:27:20] People are not going to, you know, vote for Trump and then move to the next race, see Mark Robinson's name,

[00:27:26] and be like, oh, yeah, that's the guy with the porn stuff and then go back up, you know, to the race above it and vote against Trump.

[00:27:32] Trump's got his own issues, but everything there is baked in, you know.

[00:27:36] So the problem now is the down ballot races from Robinson.

[00:27:42] OK, Democrat Josh Stein has transferred more than 13 million dollars this cycle from his campaign to the state party,

[00:27:51] according to a 48 hour report last week, which it can use in swing general assembly races or council of state races.

[00:28:01] So it's it's not so much that.

[00:28:04] It's like seriously, guys.

[00:28:06] Hey, like down the hall, move it down the hall.

[00:28:09] Thank you.

[00:28:11] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:28:12] Like that in front of the door.

[00:28:15] Yeah, yeah.

[00:28:16] Yeah, like move it down the hall there.

[00:28:18] Like down the hall.

[00:28:20] Move it down the hall.

[00:28:21] There you go.

[00:28:21] Thank you.

[00:28:22] All right.

[00:28:25] The problem isn't that people are going to vote in this race and then like, oh, that's Robinson.

[00:28:31] He's a Republican.

[00:28:32] I'm going to vote against every Republican down ballot.

[00:28:34] It's the money, the money that would have been raised, could have been raised, could have been spent.

[00:28:40] That Josh Stein now doesn't have to.

[00:28:42] He raises all the money, gets all the money from outside the state.

[00:28:46] And he sends it to the Democrat Party, who could then use that money to advertise for the down ballot races.

[00:28:54] Right.

[00:28:56] Stein gave 13 million to these lower party races, these down ballot races.

[00:29:06] Last quarter, according to an analysis from Brian Anderson, he does a sub stack called Anderson Alerts.

[00:29:12] He used to be at the Associated Press and then he went to WRAL, if I recall correctly.

[00:29:17] In the third quarter, Stein sent more to the North Carolina Democrat Party than Robinson spent on his entire campaign.

[00:29:29] That could make a pretty big impact.

[00:29:33] If Democrats succeed in breaking the Republican supermajority in the General Assembly, you could point to Robinson as the reason.

[00:29:45] What else?

[00:29:46] Andrew Dunn talks about also North Carolina Democrats have been disappointed in their party's Mecklenburg turnout over the last few cycles.

[00:29:53] This year, the county party has dropped about $15,000 in digital advertising, pushing people to go vote.

[00:30:01] They are primarily going after young female voters.

[00:30:04] No.

[00:30:05] It's the only county party that Andrew says that he has seen run digital ads this entire cycle.

[00:30:11] And also, we have a new Facebook ad spending champion.

[00:30:17] It is the baby Jesus, Jeff Jackson.

[00:30:22] Gubernatorial Democrat nominee Josh Stein has dominated Facebook advertising spending among North Carolina candidates for the entire campaign season.

[00:30:32] But he was edged out last week by Jeff Jackson.

[00:30:38] Running for attorney general, hoping to beat Dan Bishop, who, by the way, Dan Bishop.

[00:30:48] He invited Jeff Jackson to be deposed over the allegations that, hey, that video of me hugging the pedophile, that's not fair to use or whatever.

[00:30:58] And I didn't know anything about him and all this.

[00:31:00] And Dan said, well, OK, well, why don't we do a deposition?

[00:31:04] And then it didn't happen because, of course not.

[00:31:06] All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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