NC Democrats want cops to die arresting violent offenders! (09-12-2024--Hour2)

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[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Part of the quote unquote mini budget that the North Carolina House passed yesterday, not just included the expansion or

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yollia expansion of funding for the school voucher program, the Opportunity Scholarship Program.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It also included a provision, a new law that requires sheriffs to cooperate with ICE.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_00]: This was not needed before we had sheriffs like Mechleberg County Sheriff, Gary, not my fault, McFadden.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Quentin Miller, up in Bunkham County, he came in sort of at the same time.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I forget the guy's name up in Wake County. I want to say Durham County also.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So these are the urban centers, the big cities, and these are Democrat sheriffs.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And they are as far as I know, I think they are all black.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And so Gary, not my fault, McFadden, always plays the race card saying that that's why he's being attacked is because he's black.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_00]: They're not attacking him, by the way, because of his race, they're attacking him because of his dumbass policy.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: He in order to win election, he positioned himself as a sanctuary sheriff.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he really believes it or not. And frankly, I don't care.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's in the actions, whatever he says or whatever he really thinks or believes is irrelevant.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just the actions that I am interested in and his actions indicate that he is totally fine releasing all sorts of violent criminals back out onto the streets and not cooperating with ICE because it helped him win election

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_00]: or he's got some real profound belief in not holding people accountable or something or sticking it to ICE or something.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: But we used to have in Mechlenburg County, a program called 287G and this program allowed local sheriffs to work with essentially became deputized with the federal government to some extent in that it allowed them access to databases.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Rather than having to rely on Homeland Security or ICE or Customs Border Patrol, whatever.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_00]: To rely on them to identify the people in the jail and all of this, they could do it themselves. The local jail officials could do it themselves.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was here when it was implemented. I was a reporter at the time.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And this was early 2000s. We were seeing this massive influx of illegal immigration coming in and this was about the time when then mayor Pat McCorrie assembled an immigration task force in order to get a handle on what the actual data is.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: What are the impacts? Because we were hearing at that time all sorts of stories and all sorts of arguments.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: From one extreme to the other about their a net positive illegal immigration is a net positive to us, it's a net negative to us.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So McCorrie was like, we don't know what to believe. So let's get all of these local agencies and experts and get them all together.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And I believe former Governor Jim Martin was, if I recall correctly, he was, or maybe that was a school one that they did.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember anyway, they brought all these people together and they, they did an analysis. They collected data and then they put it all together into a final report and they were like, here is our report on the impact of immigration in Charlotte, Mecklenberg.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was shortly after that, the sheriff at the time Jim Pentegrath left his post he had been chair for a long time. He was of retirement age or close to it and so he took a job with the Bush administration Jim Pentegrath long time like lifetime Democrat.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And went to work for the Republican administration going around the country because he had, so what it happened was he had gone to some sheriffs conference or something and he had met some sheriff from Texas who had told him I think Texas maybe some other border state whatever.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And that sheriff had told him, hey, you know, there's a federal program that you can use to help identify the people in your jails.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's under this 287G provision in this larger law and he was like, wow, so he went and he did the research and then he's like, yes, I want to take advantage of it. Let's do it.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And then other sheriffs started asking him, hey, what about this program you're you've implemented because he got publicity for it. So he ends up leaving his job as sheriff, he retires and goes to work for the Bush administration going around the country.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Showing other sheriffs how to implement this program.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the blowback happens.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_00]: How dare you, you're targeting the Hispanic population, which of course it wasn't, this is only with people, it only affects people who end up in the jail.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. So the blowback begins, the pushback begins culminating in roughly 2018 when these sheriffs are running and they're in their, you know, democrat, safe democrat seats, democrat controlled counties.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And so in their primaries, they have to try to secure this radical part of their base, which is an open borders.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Contention, like they, they don't want there to be any border enforcement. A lot of them wanted to fund the police too.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And so they don't want any interactions with law enforcement if you are an illegal immigrant, no interactions and then if you find out there are an illegal immigrant, you can do anything.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you break the laws and illegal immigrant, you get arrested, you go to jail. They don't want you deported for that. Right. So they, they know consequences. They're trying to eliminate all consequences for coming into the country illegally.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And the democrat party has swung so far to the left on that topic. They have become so radical. I mean, like the Barack Obama was talking like a Republican on this issue when he first ran in a wait.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how far the Democrats have flipped on this because it's a new emerging constituency for them that that requires them to take that position.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Or else their candidates in those primaries will end up losing to more radical. And so Gary McFadden runs on this promise to, to stop participating in the 287G program and to not cooperate with ICE.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And he wasn't the only one. This was a tactic that was employed by several Democrats in primaries. They had sort of the same kind of bio African American law enforcement official, you know career in law enforcement. They were, you know, former cop with Fadden's case. He was, you know, former homicide detective.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you run for sheriff on these radical platforms. And then one of the promises is you get rid of the 287G program and you don't cooperate with ICE.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where it's been since 2018 when, and then about five years ago, the North Carolina General Assembly starts trying to craft a law to force sheriffs to cooperate with ICE.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And Democrats have been outraged. How dare you, right? And it's the same stupid arguments. I don't know if they actually believe these arguments when they make them. Again, like, I have a degree of sympathy for people on the left because I couldn't argue in defense of your stupid ideas like really I don't know how you do it.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_00]: All you've got is emotionalism. All you can tell me is about, you know, some horror story, some anecdotal example to try to get people to move based on emotions.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Because logically, it's really indefensible. For example, let me just say this, I'd add to the game.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It seems to me like Democrats want cops to die. Oh, I'm sorry. Is that a little too emotional driven? Because I can make this argument pretty effectively. I feel like you want cops to die specifically ICE officers and all of the other officers that go with the ICE agents to serve the warrants to capture

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and put through deportation proceedings the people that you have let go. And we saw what happened in Charlotte when cops show up at a house to try to serve a warrants on somebody who is dangerous.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Cops end up dead. So you want to encourage more of those types of interactions. You want more of that to occur. So I'm going to do what you do argue the way you argue and say you want law enforcement to die.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: You want more shootouts between violent illegal aliens and law enforcement. Is that unfair? Is that any more unfair than what you accuse people of who would prefer that the custody be changed in the jail rather than in an apartment complex?

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_00]: While you got the guy in custody, maybe transfer custody to ICE then. And this way there's no shootout.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's what they would prefer. That's what I would prefer. But you call me all sorts of names because I prefer it to be done in a controlled and safe environment. So I guess I get to call you names too, right? This is where we are.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_00]: The application of a consistent standard. We are talking about house bill 10.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: House bill 10 passed the legislature yesterday had this school voucher stuff in it, a bunch of other things, but it was originally drafted.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: House bill 10 was originally drafted as a law to force the handful of sheriffs in the state to cooperate with ICE.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a couple messages here. Let me read him.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So let me go to the the floor debate that occurred yesterday in Democrats were like, they shut off debate. Well, they shut off debate. You guys have been debating these issues for years.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Literally years. We know what your position is. You're opposed to it. There isn't anything you're going to say in your little two minute three minute rant on the floor.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to convince people to change their minds. Okay, there the Republican supermajority is voting for House bill 10 again. Okay, they voted.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: They've already voted for it in the past or voting for it again today or yesterday you're not going to change their minds by calling them racist.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: That's just news flesh not happening.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So, Deston Hall is the chairman of the rules committee or as it's referred to as the all powerful rules committee he is expected to be the speaker of the House starting in the next session.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the the room are up on Joan Street.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Because Tim Moore, the current speaker of the House, the longest serving speaker of the House he's going to Congress. So,

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to be discussing the the attacks on House bill 10.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have time to play the audio right now. I will play it after the news, but I will read to you an email real quick from John who says just curious how many of the sheriffs that refuse to enforce the law that made these lawmakers include this provision.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_00]: How many of these sheriffs are in the commercial for Josh Stein talking about what a tough law enforcer is.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is kind of comical that Democrats running statewide whenever they appear with sheriffs. It's like there's only like four of them.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_00]: They always appear with the same ones because they have the only ones that get endorsed that endorsed these Democrats for statewide office because they're Democrats.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's it all of the other like 95 other sheriffs in the state.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_00]: They're not on board with the Democrat agenda.

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[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Going over the details here of the house bill 10 that passed the house yesterday.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Forcing the handful of sheriffs, these quote unquote sanctuary sheriffs to cooperate with ice when it comes to transferring custody of violent.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Criminally charged illegal immigrants that are already in custody just let ice come and get them from the jail so they don't have to go kick down doors and put a whole bunch of people at risk.

[00:16:33] So.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me start with this. This is destined hall he is a state house member chairman of the all powerful rules committee and he started off his comments yesterday on the floor by describing what is not in

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_00]: the bill that apparently democrats want us all to think is in the.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's not the right sound bite of course this is in this bill we're only talking about folks who are not only just here illegally, but that they've also been charged with a serious crime in our state.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's murder rate other violent crimes not driving without a license, jah often hear from folks they say well they these folks have to work they got a drive well just be the last nothing to do with that.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Because driving without a license is not a felony it's not a violent crime.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So again it's when folks are charged with a violent crime meaning law enforcement's taking them in front of a dis interested third party judicial official usually a magistrate.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And that person is found probable calls that that individual had committed a serious crime.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And so then they go into the jail just like you are I would if we commit a serious crime.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute are you telling me democrats are lying about this.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Say it so.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And so up until 2018 what would happen then if ice which enforces federal immigration law.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: If they wanted to take possession of that person as is their right under federal law and there are federal laws that are supposed to enforce immigration in our country.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_01]: If they want to take that person they use an ice container and until 2018 every sheriff in this state cooperated with ice.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And what are the detainer does it just simply says that you can hold the person for up to 48 hours until ice takes the whole of them and if ice doesn't do it you got to let him get pretty simple pretty straightforward.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: He said sheriff's and ice.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Rarely.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Rarely do sheriff say that it takes ice longer than 48 hours to pick somebody up.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_00]: They don't they don't even need the full 48 hours when they issue a detainer request.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: He said they usually pick up the person that same day because it is safer.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you talk to any law enforcement officer whether it's ice whether it's county sheriff police you name it.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_01]: They'll tell you one of the most dangerous things that they do is serve any sort of process serving a warrant or serving an ice detainer.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's because they're going into an uncontrolled environment and they're taking custody of somebody of someone who usually doesn't want to have custody of themselves take it.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: We saw a tragic example of that in Charlotte several months back.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: In that case the law enforcement if federal and state law enforcement were trying to serve a warrant.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And the result was multiple law enforcement officers killed on the scene.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Now again that's because they're going out into an uncontrolled environment take custody of somebody under the law just like ice does with ice detainers.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you ask the folks at ice because again I have they'll tell you we would much prefer to do our job that federal law requires them to do in the controlled environment of a jail.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to go out into the neighborhood.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to go into a workplace where they don't know who has a weapon who's going to run, who's going to try to attack somebody who's going to hurt somebody.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: They want to focus their attention on folks who are committing crimes and folks who are in a jail.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Now that makes sense that's common sense right we don't want law enforcement to get hurt we don't want bystanders to get hurt we don't even want the people who were being detained to get hurt.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: We just want the wall to be followed.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_00]: On acceptable unacceptable we have to increase the risks for everybody.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Right because that's the way you build trust.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how you build trust between law enforcement and the immigrant community is you have shootouts in their apartment complex.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe some kids catch them straight.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Right that's how you forge the bonds right before 2018.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_00]: He said this bill wasn't even necessary because every sheriff in North Carolina cooperated with ice.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't required to cooperate with ice because they did cooperate with ice common sense.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And then of course in 2018 a handful of sheriff's got elected and decided they just simply wouldn't communicate with ice at all.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's happening in this state today there are somewhere probably fewer than 10 sheriff's who literally will not communicate with ice.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That meaning 90 plus sheriffs in this state they don't care if this bill passes or not they're already going to cooperate.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And again the North Carolina Sheriff's association has endorsed this provision in the bill.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_00]: This has no impact on like 95% of the state because 95 of the sheriffs are already doing this.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_00]: There's only five or six or whatever it is.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_00]: It's only like four or five or six it's very small number.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're in here in Charlotte Asheville, Raleigh, Durham.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_00]: The usual suspects, if you will, right these Democrat controlled strongholds because this was what they ran on because at the time they ran.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_00]: This was what was animating the base in the Democrat party that they had to appeal to and they probably still do.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_00]: He goes on to say that since he started working on this bill about five years ago that ice has given him.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Example after example a long list he said of examples of violent offenders turned loose by sheriffs who then went on to reoffend.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the most famous cases was in McClubberg County where a lady was was assaulted, beaten.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The person who offended against her was arrested several domestic violence related charges felony kidnapping.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And that person was taken to jail. They were also here legally and ice lodged a container on that person, well they met Bond and they walked out of the jail because this year let them walk out.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And then that same person went back to reoffend against that same victim.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And this time it took about a seven hour stand off with CNPD to take that person back into custody.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: When all the sheriffs had to do was cooperate with ice under the detainer and that person wouldn't have gone on to reoffend.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I've heard throughout the debate today about this being a moral issue about this tearing at the fabric of our society.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know where that lady is at today who was offended and who was assaulted and who was kidnapped.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But I bet you she agrees that this is a moral issue and that tears the fabric of our society.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Just maybe not the way you think about it.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she would have preferred not to have been assaulted and not to have been kidnapped.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think all victims of crime who have dealt with this very issue would feel the same way.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like that's true.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I do.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Like if I had to guess, I'm thinking victims of crime probably prefer not to be victims of crime.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And when the guy that has been beating on you finally gets arrested and now is going to get deported.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And the sheriff let's am walk rather than tell ice or cooperate with ice.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And your offender, your attacker gets out and comes back and kidnaps and continues to beat on you.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking that's not your preference.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: But that's just me.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, maybe your mileage may vary on that one.

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[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_00]: We are going over some of the comments made by Destin Hall.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Probably the soon to be next speaker of the North Carolina House.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: He is the current chairman of the all powerful rules committee and explaining he's been doing this work on trying to get this bill passed to force

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_00]: these handfuls and sheriff's in the state to cooperate with ICE and simply put a hold on these criminals that are in your jail.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_00]: When you know they're going to get out just say no you can't, ICE wants to come get you a 48 hour detainer.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And there have been all sorts of excuses offered up none of them are persuasive to me.

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_00]: There are all sorts of excuses offered up as to why we can't do that.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: The most ludicrous one is that this somehow makes the Hispanic or immigrant communities less likely to work with law enforcement.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Because they're afraid of deportation.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: You realize the only reason you end up in the jail is because you have been busted and the only reason you would be forced to comply with this law is if you've been busted for serious felony crimes.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Murder rape.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't like he said this isn't driving without a license type of stuff.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Dixon Hall said that ICE detainers have been around for a while.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_00]: He said they've been around since the since the 1950s and I've also heard a lot of comments about this being unconstitutional.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: What a liability it is to share if across the state.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's news to the sheriff's across the state.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Because again 90 plus are already cooperating with them.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Overwhelmingly state and federal courts have said ICE detainers are constitutional.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously it's the federal government's job to enforce immigration law.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And just like every other area of the law, state and local law enforcement cooperate with federal authorities to enforce the law and to keep the public safe.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, I was saying this yesterday.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I've said this throughout the course of this debate, which is why haven't they been sued yet?

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_00]: This is one of the stupid arguments that Gary, not my fault, McFaddon makes is like, oh, I'm afraid we're going to get sued for unlawful detention.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, holding on violating their constitutional rights because they were they posted bail and they're allowed to leave.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And if a judge gives us some sort of order to keep in there, then we'll keep them there.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_00]: But obviously that's not that's not the process because the federal side is that's that's civil law, not criminal.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And so you can't get a judge to do that.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And McFaddon knows this. He's he's counting on most people not knowing it.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So he basically just hides the ball in the argument.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I keep really just wants to not cooperate with ICE.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And if his argument was legit that this is that unlawful detention to hold somebody for 48 hours, so ICE can come get them.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_00]: If that was a legitimate argument, then the 95 other sheriffs would have already been sued over it.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And they haven't.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Next, he said the bill is needed now more than ever.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, for obvious reasons under the current administration president Biden, vice president Harris, who was who's the borders are.

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have a.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And the reality is in the last almost four years, millions and millions of folks have streamed across the southern border in this country.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And these are not just folks from Central South America.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: These are folks from China, folks from the Middle East.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: In June, the FBI Task Force on terrorism, located eight people who had ties to ISIS.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: They were on the terror watch list.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And ICE, Glensidentally, was the group that went out, watched the trainers and picked those folks up.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That's one example.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was just this June.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You can Google it.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_01]: There's example after example, a folks with terrorist ties coming into this country crossing the southern border.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And nobody's doing anything about it.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And the only way in this state than this body can do anything about it is to make sure that at least our local law enforcement when they come into contact with somebody again who's committed a serious crime.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And has been charged with such by a third party magistrate that they'll at least cooperate with ICE.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I see no flaws in that logic.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_00]: He then urged Democrats to support law enforcement.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It has nothing to do with going out and rounding people up, and I also ask you to remember, no matter what we do on this bill, the federal government has to enforce immigration law.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And ICE has a job to do.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And if we don't let them do it in local jails, they've got to go out in these same communities and always find it odd when I hear the small handful of sheriff say, well, you know, we're not going to do that in our community.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_01]: We're just not going to cooperate with ICE.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's great because then what happens is ICE goes out into their community.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_01]: They go out into the workplace and again, we have to get right back to the situation of going in on unknown situation.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And going out into neighborhoods and then going out to do their job because they've got to do it.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_00]: All right, this is a great point.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? If you're like, oh, I'm afraid, like, I don't want to be disruptive to these communities.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And we want to foster good relations.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it's a net positive to send in like all of these law enforcement officers all kid it up?

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, like storming the apartment complex or your neighborhood, you think that's a better message.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: You think that's going to foster a better relationship, give me a break.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_00]: He also said something interesting that he suspects some of these sanctuary sheriffs privately want this measure to pass because they are career law enforcement.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But they needed the support of their radical base in their primaries to get elected.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe they would want this to pass.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_00]: All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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