Josh Shapiro is exactly right about the cowardly assassin (12-10-2024--Hour2)

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[00:00:28] Charles C.W. Cook writing at National Review, the cynical sympathizers of murder and how there have been two disgraceful responses, one explicitly grotesque and the other implicitly grotesque.

[00:00:47] The explicitly grotesque is the celebration that this man, this UnitedHealthcare CEO, deserved to be shot in the back and murdered on the street.

[00:01:01] And the other is, well, I'm not saying I support that kind of assassination, but I understand why somebody could be driven because, you know, it's just this war and that S.O.B. Johnson.

[00:01:17] Listen, I find myself using that reference from Forrest Gump very, very frequently when describing the morality of the left.

[00:01:29] The ends justify the means and they will excuse away any of their misdeeds or bad behavior because there's a larger issue that really needs to be addressed here.

[00:01:42] And that's really what we should be talking about. Fun thought experiment. Imagine if it was a right winger. Imagine if this kid was a Trumper.

[00:01:55] Oh, my goodness. Do you think the coverage might sound a little might look a little different today?

[00:02:02] Let me jump over to the phones and get Craig on. He's been waiting patiently. Hello, Craig. Welcome to the show.

[00:02:08] Hey, Pete. Good to talk to you again. Yes, sir.

[00:02:11] You know, I heard that Pierce was, you know, or maybe it was, I think it was you. It's been a while now.

[00:02:17] But they were saying Obamacare was supposed to fix all these problems.

[00:02:21] But if you think back to when Obamacare got put in, Obamacare was actually a compromise that had to come about because the Democrats and Obama wanted single-payer national health care.

[00:02:33] And they weren't able to get that. It was just not popular enough to get the votes. So they had to come up with some alternative.

[00:02:39] And Obamacare was the alternative. And it seems I think they were playing the long game when they set this up to eventually make Obamacare so bad,

[00:02:48] it would eventually destroy the health care even worse than it was before because they wanted to have it eventually lead to a single-payer system.

[00:02:57] I think it was designed that way, too, just because the premiums costs keep going up year after year, way higher than inflation.

[00:03:04] Coverage keeps going down. I have it. And, hell, I don't even know if I can leave the state and get coverage.

[00:03:08] So if I get injured out of state, I might be screwed.

[00:03:12] Whereas pre-Obamacare, I had insurance that covered me nationwide for about $100 a month.

[00:03:17] Yeah, sure, if I had a pre-existing condition, I was screwed.

[00:03:19] If I got a devastating illness that maxed out my lifetime benefits, I was screwed.

[00:03:25] But I believe it was done intentionally to just eventually make this system so unnavigable that we're left with,

[00:03:32] hey, our only option here is single-payer because we're never going back to something pre-Obamacare.

[00:03:36] Right. So a couple things.

[00:03:38] When I was hosting here, actually, at the time when Obamacare was rolled out,

[00:03:44] we had many, many discussions and debates about the way it was structured.

[00:03:49] And, yes, you are correct. That was the compromise deal.

[00:03:51] Because, remember, they couldn't get Democrats to sign off on it.

[00:03:56] They couldn't get enough of the Democrats.

[00:03:58] Remember, they had to do, what was it, the Cornhusker kickback, the Louisiana Purchase, right?

[00:04:04] They had to cut all of these special deals for Democrats in their home states in order to get their votes.

[00:04:10] And they cobbled this thing together and then they rammed it through.

[00:04:14] Thank you, Nancy Pelosi.

[00:04:16] And, like, was it Christmas Eve or something, if I recall correctly, through the House?

[00:04:21] And so, yes, it was this sort of Frankenstein.

[00:04:25] And if you recall, there were quotes at the time Ted Kennedy had passed away.

[00:04:30] And, remember, that's when, what's his face, that guy, the underwear model up in Massachusetts, Scott Brown or whatever.

[00:04:38] He had won that seat and that blocked Obamacare.

[00:04:42] But Ted Kennedy was quoted during this entire debate at the time where he talked about was his biggest regret

[00:04:49] was not taking an expansion of Medicare that was offered by Richard Nixon at the time.

[00:04:58] That was his biggest regret as a senator because he said if we had done that, we would have single-payer health care by this time.

[00:05:06] But he wanted the whole loaf rather than half of the loaf.

[00:05:10] And then he took nothing.

[00:05:13] He got nothing.

[00:05:14] And, yeah, so the whole purpose of Obamacare, we talked about it at the time,

[00:05:20] was to get more and more government intervention into the market.

[00:05:24] And so this way the market then short-circuits the signals

[00:05:28] and government has to be seen as the savior to come in and take it over.

[00:05:35] Absolutely.

[00:05:36] And I think we're approaching that point pretty quickly.

[00:05:40] As you can see, Obamacare just gets worse every year.

[00:05:42] Yeah.

[00:05:43] And we're going to be hitting that sooner or later.

[00:05:45] And, you know, I think single-payer could work as long as only true conservatives had their hands on how it operated.

[00:05:53] You let RONOs and you let Democrats get in there, and it's going to be a mess.

[00:05:57] Now, see, here's the thing.

[00:05:59] In any kind of a commodity or service, right,

[00:06:05] you're going to have to ration either by price or by access.

[00:06:10] Those are your options.

[00:06:11] You only get to pick one of them.

[00:06:13] That's it.

[00:06:14] Well, the first thing we could do is kick all the illegals off of it.

[00:06:18] Get them out of there.

[00:06:19] And then, I mean, I don't know, maybe cut some of the military spending to put into it.

[00:06:24] But we don't need a military as big as we do, because if we ever tangle with China and Russia,

[00:06:28] those sissies are going to fire nukes at us, because there's no way they can touch us conventionally.

[00:06:32] Well, yeah, I don't know if there's enough money in the military budget to pay for the kind of health care costs that Americans demand.

[00:06:40] This is the thing.

[00:06:41] We as Americans demand health care that is top-notch, the best health care in all the world,

[00:06:50] and we want access whenever we want it, and we want it free.

[00:06:56] And then we want to live our lives as if a pill is going to fix all of the things that we have done to our own bodies

[00:07:03] through bad choices over the course of a lifetime.

[00:07:08] And it is unrealistic.

[00:07:10] It always has been.

[00:07:11] But nobody wants to admit that.

[00:07:13] Nobody wants to confront this.

[00:07:15] And so when you start talking then about the health care industry and you start talking about people's access to health care,

[00:07:21] people don't want to be told you can't get that service.

[00:07:24] So it's like, okay, so we don't want to ration by access, which is, by the way, how it is done in single-payer countries.

[00:07:31] You wait two years for a knee replacement because the access is the rationing, not the cost.

[00:07:40] And look, your point about illegal aliens that are taking advantage of health care, sure, there's a cost there.

[00:07:49] I have no idea what that number is.

[00:07:51] There are various estimates, but we don't even know.

[00:07:53] I mean, we don't even know how many illegal aliens are in the country anymore.

[00:07:57] So who's to say?

[00:07:59] I don't know.

[00:07:59] Maybe there's some cost savings that can be realized there.

[00:08:02] I appreciate the call, Craig.

[00:08:05] But this is the problem.

[00:08:07] When you make something free, you have what's called the woodwork effect, where people come out of the woodwork.

[00:08:12] You see it in all the states that expanded Medicaid.

[00:08:15] This was the argument against Medicaid expansion, which is what Obamacare did also.

[00:08:20] Expanded Medicaid.

[00:08:22] Because the whole point was to lay the foundation for more government control in the industry.

[00:08:29] And if you want an example of health care that is a free market-based system, then there are other examples that exist out here that you can look to.

[00:08:45] The big one at the time we were talking about was LASIK.

[00:08:49] Right?

[00:08:50] Insurance doesn't cover that.

[00:08:52] But what if it was mandated that it does cover that?

[00:08:57] Why do I need to cover a policy?

[00:08:59] Why do I need to get a policy that has maternity coverage?

[00:09:04] I'm 50 years old.

[00:09:05] Why do I need that?

[00:09:07] Why does my wife need that?

[00:09:08] We don't want that.

[00:09:09] Right?

[00:09:09] We don't get the choice anymore.

[00:09:11] That's what Obamacare did.

[00:09:13] It said everybody into the pool.

[00:09:15] Because in insurance, right, you get a bigger pool.

[00:09:17] And then you can pay out more claims.

[00:09:19] And you sort of collectivize the expenses and the risks.

[00:09:25] And people knew this wasn't going to work.

[00:09:28] It was going to drive up costs.

[00:09:29] And when you make something free, everybody wants it.

[00:09:32] Because there's no longer any impediment.

[00:09:36] People go to the doctors more.

[00:09:38] Oh, that's a good thing.

[00:09:39] Not necessarily.

[00:09:42] Right?

[00:09:42] These are...

[00:09:43] We are presented in all of these debates and discussions.

[00:09:46] We are presented false choices all the time.

[00:09:50] False choices.

[00:09:52] Going to the doctor more is better.

[00:09:55] Not necessarily.

[00:09:58] It'll drive up costs.

[00:09:59] And if you're not paying those costs, you're going to be more frivolous.

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[00:11:25] So Charles C.W. Cook, he's a national treasure.

[00:11:32] I know he's from England, but he became an American citizen, so now he's ours.

[00:11:37] We claim him.

[00:11:38] And he wanted to be an American.

[00:11:41] And he's a fantastic writer, great thinker in my opinion.

[00:11:45] He writes for National Review.

[00:11:48] And he talks about this reaction on the left.

[00:11:53] And before I go any further, actually, there's a clip here.

[00:11:56] Let me play it so I don't forget.

[00:11:58] It is Josh Shapiro.

[00:12:01] And I did say at the beginning of the hour that I am glad that Kamala Harris did not pick

[00:12:09] Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, as her running mate.

[00:12:14] Had she picked Shapiro, I think it might have made some bit of difference.

[00:12:21] I don't know how much, but and maybe I will regret that because maybe in another four years

[00:12:27] he becomes the Democrat nominee, although he is Jewish.

[00:12:31] So I don't know if Democrats can can vote for a Jewish person, but we'll see.

[00:12:35] But he end up, you know, might be he might be in a position to give the Republicans a run

[00:12:41] for their money.

[00:12:43] Here's what he said after the arrest of Luigi Mangione, the murderer of the United Health

[00:12:51] Care CEO.

[00:12:52] Some attention in this case, especially online, has been deeply disturbing, as some have looked

[00:13:01] to celebrate instead of condemning this killer.

[00:13:06] Brian Thompson was a father to two.

[00:13:09] He was a husband and he was a friend to many.

[00:13:13] And yes, he was the CEO of a health insurance company.

[00:13:17] In America, we do not kill people in cold blood to resolve policy differences or express a

[00:13:29] viewpoint.

[00:13:30] I understand people have real frustration with our health care system.

[00:13:35] And I have worked to address that throughout my career.

[00:13:38] But I have no tolerance, nor should anyone, for one man using an illegal ghost gun to murder

[00:13:50] someone because he thinks his opinion matters most.

[00:13:56] In a civil society, we are all less safe when ideologues engage in vigilante justice.

[00:14:05] In some dark corners, this killer is being hailed as a hero.

[00:14:12] Hear me on this.

[00:14:13] He is no hero.

[00:14:16] Correct.

[00:14:17] He is no hero.

[00:14:20] He is a coward.

[00:14:21] He's a coward.

[00:14:24] He even submitted to arrest, surrendered, even though he apparently said that he wouldn't.

[00:14:32] You know, oh, I'm going to be dead when you read this manifesto and all that kind of stuff.

[00:14:37] No, much like most school shooters and most of these types of failure to launch young males

[00:14:44] from wealthy, privileged backgrounds, he meekly surrendered.

[00:14:52] And by the way, I'm not so sure that the mattress in your prison cell is going to be the best thing for somebody to sleep on with a bad back

[00:15:03] for the rest of his natural life.

[00:15:04] But Shapiro is exactly right.

[00:15:12] That this guy thought his opinion matters most.

[00:15:17] A lot of times when we're talking about potential solutions, because you know me, I'm all about solutions.

[00:15:23] And so the topic comes up very frequently.

[00:15:25] And it's always important to ask yourself when examining potential solutions is, what if I'm wrong?

[00:15:35] What's the harm if I am wrong?

[00:15:39] Right?

[00:15:39] What if this guy is wrong?

[00:15:42] What if he was wrong?

[00:15:44] What if it's not actually Brian Thompson's fault?

[00:15:47] None of it was his fault.

[00:15:48] Whatever grievance that this maniac had, that it wasn't actually directly attributable to Brian Thompson.

[00:15:55] He had no idea.

[00:15:56] And even if it was, he's not breaking any laws.

[00:16:05] And you murdering him doesn't change anything except your life, your family's lives, his life and his family's lives.

[00:16:18] That's it.

[00:16:20] Was that juice worth the squeeze?

[00:16:22] No, it was not.

[00:16:26] And if everybody were to behave like this maniac Mangione, what kind of a society are we living in at that point?

[00:16:35] Where you and I have a different opinion about something.

[00:16:38] You and I have a grievance against each other or against the local government or against a company or whatever.

[00:16:45] Everybody has grievances against something.

[00:16:49] You don't get to murder people because you think your opinion matters the most.

[00:16:56] You selfish psychopath.

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[00:17:31] I got some.

[00:17:32] Yeah.

[00:17:33] So David pointing out that it's raining.

[00:17:35] And so he thought about me this morning driving through Alabama on an interstate.

[00:17:38] Very heavy rain.

[00:17:39] Could see trucks.

[00:17:40] Could see their lights.

[00:17:42] Could not see the silver Honda Accord with no lights on behind the truck with the lights.

[00:17:47] Fortunately, no incident occurred.

[00:17:49] Glad to hear that.

[00:17:50] But yes, that is the gray car code.

[00:17:52] People with gray or silver cars, apparently they have some sort of blood oath not to run their lights when it's raining.

[00:18:02] Which is weird because their cars are like the least visible vehicles on the road during a rainstorm.

[00:18:08] Seth says, Pete, I just wait.

[00:18:10] Just wait until the leftist vigilantes fighting corporate greed.

[00:18:14] Find out Taylor Swift raked in two point two billion dollars on that tour.

[00:18:18] Yeah, that's that was a lot of money.

[00:18:22] That's different.

[00:18:23] It's different when we make the money.

[00:18:28] Tim says talking to lefties like Taylor Lorenz.

[00:18:31] I used to work with a leftist who went cornered during a discussion would state it's not what it's not what I said.

[00:18:38] It's what I meant to say.

[00:18:42] That's what I call a rhetorical escape hatch.

[00:18:45] When you're in the discussion and they get caught somehow and then they're like, I'm just going to pull this escape hatch and jump out of the conversation by making it about something completely different.

[00:18:54] Let's go to the phones here.

[00:18:56] This is Mike.

[00:18:56] Welcome to the program.

[00:18:57] Mike.

[00:18:58] Hey, Pete.

[00:18:59] How you been?

[00:19:00] I'm doing well.

[00:19:01] How are you?

[00:19:02] I don't think we've talked since the election.

[00:19:04] So first off, congratulations.

[00:19:05] Yes.

[00:19:06] And to you as well.

[00:19:07] Well, well, yes.

[00:19:08] On certain races, not the one at the top.

[00:19:11] You can't win them all, Mike.

[00:19:13] You can't win them all.

[00:19:14] I know.

[00:19:14] I know.

[00:19:16] But I wanted to call, since we haven't talked in a while, and first of all, really, I appreciate you playing the cut by Shapiro because, of course, he's right.

[00:19:28] No one has the right to do what this misguided idiot did.

[00:19:37] No one has to take on that sort of vigilante role, whatever the cause is.

[00:19:42] And Shapiro, I think, speaks, though, for far more Democrats and progressives than I think you might want to give credit to.

[00:19:56] There certainly are people online, and the looniest of them tend to be the loudest, that are saying some stupid things.

[00:20:04] Mm-hmm.

[00:20:05] They're trying to defend this guy.

[00:20:07] But I think that is much more the exception than the rule.

[00:20:10] So, Mike, what's your thoughts on Taylor Lorenz?

[00:20:14] You know, I don't know.

[00:20:15] I didn't hear that clip on it and what this person said.

[00:20:20] I will tell you, in terms of the last comment about Taylor Swift, yeah, she's made a lot of money.

[00:20:24] But one of the things that people don't really know because she hasn't touted it is that every community where she goes,

[00:20:30] she routinely drops $100,000 to $250,000 checks to leading charities and soup kitchens and places that help those communities.

[00:20:44] But she just does it because she wants to give back the communities that have her concert.

[00:20:51] And so, you know, I mean, that's sort of under the radar.

[00:20:54] But in terms of this whole thing, you know, clearly this guy was nuts and should be condemned, just like Shapiro did.

[00:21:03] It also gives us the opportunity, I think, if we can get over, you know, yelling about leftists and rightists and all that,

[00:21:13] to really take a serious look once again at the American public health policy.

[00:21:19] Now there's the but.

[00:21:20] I knew there was a but coming, and there it was.

[00:21:23] So, first off, I make a point to separate Democrats from leftists.

[00:21:30] They are different.

[00:21:32] Unfortunately for you and for Shapiro and other non-leftist Democrats,

[00:21:42] I'm afraid the leftists inside your party are directing too much of your policy.

[00:21:51] And I believe that's why y'all lost at the national level in the way that you did.

[00:21:55] I think people have grown fed up with leftists directing the Democrat Party.

[00:22:01] Well, be that as it may, and of course I think some people could say that there are very extreme folks on the right.

[00:22:10] What aboutism?

[00:22:12] Sure.

[00:22:13] Right.

[00:22:13] And I think that's...

[00:22:15] But why does it...

[00:22:15] So, Mike, why is it helpful to you...

[00:22:17] Hang on, Mike.

[00:22:17] Why is it helpful to...

[00:22:19] Why would it be helpful to you when assessing what is going on inside the Democrat Party with the leftists' influence?

[00:22:26] Why is it helpful for you to then try to train focus onto Donald Trump and Republicans?

[00:22:34] Why is that helpful?

[00:22:35] Why is it helpful?

[00:22:35] Shouldn't you as a Democrat, shouldn't you be most interested in trying to root out this cancer that is inside your party?

[00:22:45] What I think is going to be most helpful to the Democratic Party, I think is also what's going to be most helpful to America,

[00:22:51] and that is to focus on the difficult issues that we have.

[00:22:54] And that's precisely why I called.

[00:22:56] Because I want to sort of talk a little bit about the challenges that we have in health care.

[00:23:01] Okay.

[00:23:02] Hang on, Mike.

[00:23:03] Hang on, Mike.

[00:23:03] Go ahead.

[00:23:03] Mike, I would say that the health care topic has been debated for the last 20 years.

[00:23:11] I've been doing it since Obamacare.

[00:23:13] I've done it all through Obamacare.

[00:23:14] We had different opinions on all of that.

[00:23:16] This is what you guys wanted to see implemented.

[00:23:19] This is where we are.

[00:23:20] I know it's not what you really want, but this is a step in that direction.

[00:23:23] I oppose all of it.

[00:23:25] You're not going to get an argument, a defense of the insurance and health care system from me.

[00:23:30] Now, that being said, the first issue is the rot that is this leftist idea inside the Democrat Party that is animated,

[00:23:40] much like the Bernie bro that shot up the softball field, right?

[00:23:44] Much like James Hodgkinson was articulating the very same kinds of ideas.

[00:23:50] That's a pretty big problem.

[00:23:52] And I would submit that's the issue that should probably be at the forefront today, not the health care industry.

[00:23:59] And I understand there is a benefit to trying to shift the focus to the different health care discussion rather than the influence that this kind of rhetoric is having on the more animated portions of the leftist base inside the Democrat Party.

[00:24:16] Okay.

[00:24:16] Do you think stochastic terrorism occurs?

[00:24:23] That's I'm trying to I am trying to refocus the discussion, not to escape what you're talking about, but to focus on something that truly is more important.

[00:24:33] You think in your opinion?

[00:24:35] No, in your opinion, it's more important that it get discussed right now.

[00:24:39] In my opinion, it's more important as a matter of deflection.

[00:24:42] It's not a matter of deflection.

[00:24:44] It's a matter of what it is matters to most people.

[00:24:46] No, it is a matter of deflection because you called me.

[00:24:51] I was talking about stochastic terrorism and you called me to train focus away from this topic.

[00:24:58] And I suspect that there is a benefit, political benefit in you doing so.

[00:25:03] It makes you uncomfortable to have this conversation when now we have yet another example of an anti-capitalist, right?

[00:25:12] A guy who was all in on Unabomber texts and stuff that another leftist has engaged in this kind of violence.

[00:25:23] And I'd like to talk.

[00:25:24] I think that's important.

[00:25:25] I think that's an important topic.

[00:25:27] You played the Shapiro quote, and Shapiro is the one that brought up the health policy issue as well he should.

[00:25:34] As well I think we should.

[00:25:36] That's a more serious issue in my opinion.

[00:25:38] Why would you give the cowardly murderer what he wants?

[00:25:43] I don't give that.

[00:25:44] I'm not giving him that.

[00:25:45] Sure you are.

[00:25:46] That's why he says he did it.

[00:25:48] He wants you to talk about it.

[00:25:49] And here you are trying to divert attention away from stochastic terrorism and to fulfill the dream that this murderer had.

[00:26:00] My opinion, and we should see what I'm sure callers will come in behind me.

[00:26:04] We should see what's more important to me is to talk about these lunatic left people that are taking over the party.

[00:26:12] Or I'd rather talk about why it is that the health care system in America.

[00:26:18] Here's why it's I'll tell you why here.

[00:26:20] And I got to let you go because I'm way late for the break, Mike.

[00:26:22] I appreciate the call.

[00:26:23] But here's why it's more important is because if the leftists that are engaging in stochastic terrorism continue to do what they are doing,

[00:26:31] your party is dead and you will not be in any kind of a position to engage in the conversation, nor probably will I, because our society will fray to the point where policy disagreements are settled with violence.

[00:26:48] That's why it matters.

[00:26:49] Like this is fabric of society kinds of things.

[00:26:53] This is it goes beyond policy.

[00:26:57] And I think the Democrats would be wise to root this crap out, whether it's support of the Palestinian Hamas whole ace, right?

[00:27:08] Whether and the violence that they're exacting on Jewish people, whether it's that.

[00:27:13] Or it's the BLM calls for vigilantism or it's this guy.

[00:27:18] It's a peat mail from Tim who says, Mike.

[00:27:24] So Mike finally came out of this safe space after the election, huh?

[00:27:28] Now, where is Tom, Jackie and the other usual suspects?

[00:27:35] Seth says, Pete, tell Mike that it's great that Taylor Swift gives to charities in the cities that she has her concerts in.

[00:27:43] Does he realize how many lives medical insurance companies have saved by covering people that could otherwise not get a surgical procedure because they couldn't afford it?

[00:27:52] Also, I'd be willing to bet these insurance companies give to charities as well.

[00:27:56] Yeah.

[00:27:57] I mean, if you're if you're going to say that any denial of a claim equals liability and responsibility for the patient's death, then you must also believe that every claim approval.

[00:28:13] Means that they've saved lives, right?

[00:28:16] Or does it not work like that?

[00:28:19] Why wouldn't it work like that?

[00:28:21] Seems like it should work like that.

[00:28:22] I think Seth is probably correct on that.

[00:28:24] All right.

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