It's racist to inspect the Charlotte jail where inmates have died (04-11-2024--Hour3)

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[00:00:29] We are discussing the Mecklenburg County Sheriff, Gary, not my fault, McFadden, who deflects away

[00:00:36] responsibility while claiming he takes responsibility. But what about that? What about that? What about

[00:00:41] this? What about that other thing? That's what he does. The deflection is a tactic,

[00:00:46] and it's all part of this not my fault strategy when it comes to running the jail,

[00:00:51] which by the way, at least four people have died in just the last five months

[00:00:55] whilst in the custody of the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office. McFadden says that the state

[00:01:03] is giving him a negative report because of those inmate deaths, not because of their

[00:01:09] deaths, but because he's black and his political views. He is a Democrat. The North Carolina

[00:01:18] Department of Health and Human Services is run by Cody Kinsley, Democrat, appointed by

[00:01:27] Governor Roy Cooper, my good friend Ray, Democrat. So I'm confused. Is it the Democrat administration

[00:01:39] that's targeting our Democrat sheriff because he's black? Is that what I'm to believe? Is

[00:01:43] that the accusation? That's what it sounds like. That's what he's saying. Hello, Pete.

[00:01:49] Welcome to the program. Good afternoon. Hey, what's up? Well, I'll do recall that Sheriff

[00:01:58] McFadden was a long time, I guess, police officer and got promoted up to detective before

[00:02:03] his television career. But I also recall during the last election, I think it was

[00:02:08] your show. I could be wrong, but it had to be WPT and on two other candidates, both

[00:02:14] people of color, one male, one female. And I recall that the female was released when

[00:02:21] Sheriff McFadden was originally elected because the sheriff, people serve at the will of

[00:02:25] the administrators at the will of the sheriff and she was not someone. So she immediately

[00:02:32] was hired up by Gaston County. I don't know if that was Sheriff Cline and Juror

[00:02:36] or new sheriff Hawkins, but I think it was you that had her on. That in no offense to

[00:02:42] the other guy that was running for sheriff, but that lady was sharp, Pete.

[00:02:46] Yeah. That was Gina Hicks. What was her name, sir?

[00:02:50] Gina Hicks and it was the debate that actually Brett Jensen moderated. I think it was

[00:02:55] put on by the FOP, I think it was the FOP that organized the debate and Brett

[00:03:03] moderated it. I think they carried it, I think we carried it live maybe and then I took audio

[00:03:07] clips of it. But yeah, Gina Hicks was fired by McFadden even before he was sworn in and

[00:03:14] that became a point of contention as to whether or not he was legally allowed to fire her.

[00:03:19] And then yes, she immediately went over to Gastonia or to Gaston County rather

[00:03:24] and was put in charge, I think, of running their jail. That's how, because she was

[00:03:27] running our jail.

[00:03:29] Right, right. She had a lot of qualifications. A gentleman earlier had spoke about, you know,

[00:03:33] it's the inspiration for people of color to see this. Well, I guess I'm a people of

[00:03:39] color depending on what color you think. But this woman, the way she responded to questions,

[00:03:45] it's like she had a plan, Pete. She had the experience. She didn't have to think about

[00:03:50] stuff. You know, people that have been a mechanic 20 years, they don't have to think

[00:03:54] about stuff or a carpenter. They know how to build that staircase. That's what they've been doing for

[00:03:59] 25. I don't know. I just thought the lady was impressive and I thought it was disappointing.

[00:04:04] She didn't get any more support in Mecklenburg County, but I'm sure that Sheriff

[00:04:09] Cline and Gerhard are right up and then, you know, I'm sure she's still at a high-ranking

[00:04:13] official within Sheriff Hawkins, the Sheriff Department now. But let me let you go. I'm

[00:04:19] sure you know the colors, but thanks for your time. I sure appreciate it.

[00:04:23] All right, Pete. I appreciate the call, man, and love the name. Great name.

[00:04:27] Her name, yeah, Gina Hicks. She ran our jail and then he fired her. Our jail started having

[00:04:34] all these problems and she went over to Gaston County and as all these problems start coming out

[00:04:44] and people are like, well, he just fired all the people that were running the jail and

[00:04:47] like this is his fault. He's not a good leader. He's not a good manager. He's not

[00:04:51] a good administrator. And so what does he do? He's blaming other people. He deflects, right?

[00:04:59] He deflects away from like now you got the state coming in and the state is doing inspections

[00:05:04] and they're dinging him for, you know, corrections officers not making the rounds

[00:05:09] enough. And that's by the way partly due to the fact that it's short staffed.

[00:05:14] And when he was told about this by his, by some of his rank and file that told him, hey,

[00:05:21] we got a lot of vacancies and then they had to sit down with him at one point.

[00:05:28] He denies knowing anything about, oh, did you ever use the term short staffed?

[00:05:33] Did you say short? Well, you didn't say short. Do you think I'm kidding about like this is

[00:05:38] from WFAE story, Steve Harrison, Lisa Worf. They interviewed a guy named Jeff Eason,

[00:05:43] a retired major with 30 years of experience that McFadden promoted in 2019 to the second

[00:05:49] highest post at the main detention center who said much of the jail's problems were the result

[00:05:57] of McFadden's management style. And he recalls a meeting, this is at the very end of this

[00:06:05] lengthy piece. This is from 2022. He recalls a meeting in April of 2020. He said he and

[00:06:12] others told McFadden, quote, we're tired of being short-handed. We're tired of being short staffed.

[00:06:17] Whatever the reason, we need help. Eason said that he had documented the staffing shortage in

[00:06:21] weekly reports. McFadden was defensive. The first thing he says to me was, major, did you tell

[00:06:29] me that you're short staffed? I've never heard you say you were short staffed. This is the

[00:06:34] first time I have heard of this. Why has no one ever told me about this? Eason said that

[00:06:40] he replied, well, yes, sir. Every Monday morning I send you a report explaining exactly how many

[00:06:46] vacancies I have, how many people are out due to COVID, just normal sick leave, vacation, training,

[00:06:52] or whatever. Eason said that McFadden then implied that he should have done more. McFadden

[00:06:59] said, well, did you use the word short? And I said, no, sir, I did not. I gave you a breakdown

[00:07:06] of the vacancies. I didn't think I needed to use the actual word short. And Eason said,

[00:07:14] that educated him real quick on McFadden's thought process.

[00:07:20] Right? Deflection. Like, oh, I didn't know anything about this. Who's in charge? Who's in

[00:07:27] charge? And by the way, when McFadden was asked about this for this story at WFAE,

[00:07:33] he responds, quote, did he say whose problem is that? The short staffing?

[00:07:41] Who's over the detention center? This is what he's asking the reporters when they ask McFadden

[00:07:46] about what Eason said. He says it was Eason who was responsible for the lack of staff.

[00:07:54] When told that McFadden is ultimately in charge of the detention center, McFadden continued to

[00:07:58] talk about Eason. Well, what's Major Eason's role? What is his role as a major?

[00:08:06] Do you know what I mean? It's like, it's what aboutism. It's deflection. It's not my fault McFadden.

[00:08:14] That's what he's doing. Not my fault. That's a Major Eason's fault. See, oh, he got all this

[00:08:20] accreditation and I love all my employees except for the ones he fires obviously and then

[00:08:24] the ones that he trash talks because they are like, he's not doing a good job managing this facility

[00:08:31] or allowing the people who do know how to manage it. He's not letting them do their jobs

[00:08:36] because there's details in this story also about how he kind of walks through the facility and he

[00:08:42] gets one on one time with a bunch of the inmates. Sorry, the residents, right? He talks to them

[00:08:48] and he gets rolled. He gets played by the inmates because they know if they talk to him,

[00:08:55] they can get stuff that they can't get from the CEOs. So they'll tell him some stuff. Oh,

[00:09:01] I really need to get moved to this other pod. I really need to want to be in this other pod.

[00:09:05] And so he'll then make it happen for them. Oh, and it turns out in the story, one of the

[00:09:11] example was that, oh yeah, they didn't want this in me getting transferred to that pod

[00:09:15] because that's where his cousin is. And they didn't want these two together.

[00:09:20] But McFadden doesn't know that.

[00:09:24] Hey, this is a management style. It's not a good one. Kirk would love to know why McFadden

[00:09:31] cannot testify in a court of law as a law enforcement officer. Yeah, that would be good

[00:09:35] to know. All right, so Sheriff Gary, not my fault, McFadden does a press conference yesterday

[00:09:44] and complains about the media coverage, complains about the state jail inspectors that are targeting

[00:09:49] him. He claims racism. You'll hear that in a minute. I want to get to more of these sound bites,

[00:09:53] though. Here he is. McFadden's, oh, this is the what aboutism. And he says, look, we even offered

[00:10:02] to help the state explain how we do things here and help them out with their inspection

[00:10:09] report. We showed him examples of what we believe is the best way to calculate our job and our

[00:10:16] inspections on tours. And he simply said it didn't matter to him. He's going to go by the rules.

[00:10:23] Well, let me be clear on this also. Well, hang on a second. He's going to go by the rules.

[00:10:30] Yes, I would recommend he do that as well. So what I'm hearing McFadden say,

[00:10:36] I will say again, I am not a McFadden interpreter. Okay, I don't understand a lot of the stuff that

[00:10:43] he says because of the way he says them. I'm the same way with Donald Trump. I sometimes do not

[00:10:48] understand what Trump is saying either. He's not a clear communicator. But what I just got from

[00:10:53] that is that these inspectors come through, they have some rules that they're following.

[00:10:57] He says we got a better way to do it and the inspectors are like good for you. We're not

[00:11:01] doing it that way. We're going to follow the rules and McFadden has a problem with that.

[00:11:06] The deaths inside our detention center at no time. Let me point out that doing these death

[00:11:13] investigations, the inspector jail inspectors never visit the pods or whether deaths occurred.

[00:11:21] They never interview staff. They never question what happened inside the detention center.

[00:11:28] They merely take a few sheets of paper or some documents and leave and then send us a report.

[00:11:35] They never interview staff. They never question staff. They never talk to me. They never talk

[00:11:40] to anyone maybe involved in any deaths here at our detention center. And that also raises suspicion.

[00:11:47] All right, so the state is identifying missed tours, right? But I guess his complaint is that

[00:11:53] the state is not asking for why it got missed and he wants to be able to explain why it got missed,

[00:12:00] right? He wants his side of the story reflected in the inspection report because then he's mad that

[00:12:06] the state does its report and the media takes the report and reports on the report and it makes

[00:12:13] it sound like he's not doing his job. When he totally is doing his job and if you would

[00:12:18] just let him explain, then you would understand why all of these people are now dying in the jail,

[00:12:24] that apparently we're not dying at the numbers they are now dying at, right?

[00:12:29] So Chris Woods, he calls him with the state, was the guy who came through I guess like a week or so

[00:12:36] ago on the first round for the inspection. And then the second round was like two days ago

[00:12:41] or so and this was a fellow by the name of Charles Brown. I do not know their races,

[00:12:46] but I guess I have to assume they are white guys? I have to assume, I don't know because McFadden is

[00:12:52] accusing them of being racist. So Charles Brown comes back April 9th and asks for a lot of information

[00:12:59] on these tours, these pod tours that the corrections officers are making which is like

[00:13:06] more than 2,000 a day or something like that. Which was extremely unusual for my staff.

[00:13:11] They question him and he simply said he can do what he wants to do. But he also said that this

[00:13:18] was a new process that North Carolina Department of Human Health Services had created over the

[00:13:25] past two weeks. So when my staff questioned him about if that is so, can we call the other

[00:13:33] agencies at that time to question this new process and procedure to be fair?

[00:13:40] Wait, to call what other agencies? You want to call around other law enforcement divisions or

[00:13:45] jails or something like who are you talking about? That's what I mean. The things that he's

[00:13:52] saying are so nebulous. You don't know like if you actually are trying to make a case in court

[00:13:58] which I understand you may not be allowed to do anymore but if you're trying to make a case

[00:14:01] in the court of public opinion you got to come with some details like oh we had some staff and

[00:14:05] they asked them some questions and they're like can we talk to some other agencies?

[00:14:09] Law enforcement agencies like jail set, like you want to talk to other jailers. You want to find out

[00:14:15] what what the new process is you want to know if they're lying to you or something?

[00:14:19] That town Mr. Brown for life of better of words avoided my staff questions.

[00:14:28] So he doesn't have to answer your staff's questions. You have a misunderstanding I suspect of the

[00:14:33] roles here it sounds like. They are there to inspect you. They're not there to answer your

[00:14:39] questions. Think of it like my interaction with law enforcement right? You know they're not

[00:14:45] there to be interrogated by me right? If they if I get pulled over the officer is not there

[00:14:53] to answer my questions. I am there to answer his right or hers. My staff alerted myself and our

[00:15:02] legal department which is all lawyers and whoa whoa whoa wait a minute your legal department

[00:15:08] is your lawyers? Hang on a second I gotta write that down because that is that is some new

[00:15:12] information. He came to speak with Mr. Brown and in questioning Mr. Brown I will quote

[00:15:19] Mr. Brown have you lied to my staff about the process of procedures that you're asking for

[00:15:27] and he simply says yes I have lied. Wow he cracked pretty quickly huh? You just walked up there

[00:15:35] and you were like yo are you been lying to my people? He's like I have been lying I have lied

[00:15:39] that was very fast here's uh here's my initial read on this uh I don't believe you

[00:15:46] I don't I don't believe you it's the it isn't it is an incredible tale that you are telling me right now

[00:15:53] that an inspector for the state came into your jail and made up a whole new set of procedures

[00:15:59] targeting you because they were racist and they cracked under one question from you

[00:16:06] and admitted to lying and nodded in like a joking way not like you were like are you lying to my

[00:16:13] people and you were like yeah I'm totally lying and now you're like oh he admitted he's lying

[00:16:19] I have no idea if this is it doesn't sound like a true story that's where that's what it sounds

[00:16:25] like to me right now it doesn't sound like a true story. So we are here today to say how can we trust

[00:16:31] North Carolina Department of Health and Services to inspect out of facilities

[00:16:38] fairly fairly and just because now we have an inspector who clearly said he has lied

[00:16:45] if he lied about this what else has he lied about do we question all of this

[00:16:52] we should in law enforcement if we do something wrong you question it you says where's the

[00:16:57] accountability I will question North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services now

[00:17:03] we got a simply a jail inspector said he has lied about his inspection or how he wants us to proceed

[00:17:13] wait so now you're saying he lied about his inspection and how he wants to proceed well

[00:17:16] that's a that way that's a different lie than what you just said you just said that he lied about

[00:17:23] the process or the procedures that he was going through not the stuff that he was going to do

[00:17:30] now what is it you like that's what I mean you I need to know like what is it that he said write it down

[00:17:38] can we get some affidavits actually because that would be I mean you want to make this legit

[00:17:42] like a real investigation like how about put some people under oath what do you think what do you

[00:17:46] say I'd like to know what Charles Brown what his reaction to all of this is state employee

[00:17:53] being accused of being a racist corrupt liar who cracks under the most minute of pressure

[00:18:03] a single question from the sheriff and he just caves right okay if you're listening to this podcast

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[00:19:04] me thinks he doth protest too much yeah probably a little bit it's not all the dead people at

[00:19:10] the jail the four deaths in five months no that's not the reason why the state is coming through

[00:19:14] with the inspections and asking for all of the records these large volumes of records that he's

[00:19:19] like whoa whoa whoa why are you asking for all these records no no it's because well well

[00:19:23] he's asked about this what do you think the motivation is for all of this sheriff

[00:19:27] not my fault mcfatt in it could be motivated because of how I am and how I defend my agency

[00:19:35] yeah that's it yeah that's probably it how you are and how you defend your ages there

[00:19:39] right because the state is like oh my gosh look at this sheriff defending his state employees

[00:19:45] get him right yeah I mean that could that that could be a reason now what I would love to say is this

[00:19:51] okay why me why now why only now and we can say this because I'm an african-american sheriff

[00:20:01] I like the other eight african-american sheriffs that took over the state in north

[00:20:05] calana and I can send you that article legislatures and politicians says we have to make them do whatever

[00:20:14] we need to do to make them listen the woke sheriffs and that's what they call us so let's make note

[00:20:20] I'm not going to beat around the bush we are being targeted from day one because we decide to do

[00:20:26] certain things differently than any other sheriffs in the state make no question about it okay so

[00:20:31] it was because of your policies not because everyone's racist is that what it was because you

[00:20:36] said race first like you totally said it's because you're a black guy so I again not an interpreter

[00:20:42] for not my fault McFadden imagine if we had a falsified the documents or lied on those documents

[00:20:48] what would be said a total investigation now let's see how many times that the media spends

[00:20:54] this as many times they spend the the inaccuracies are possible inaccuracies inside

[00:21:00] the detention center can we believe the reports now a person admitted to me we have no proof my

[00:21:07] staff I don't have any proof in front of my lawyers I lied I lied that is a statement that I'll never

[00:21:15] forget inside my detention center so how can we trust whatever report they put out there

[00:21:20] do they need to be investigated absolutely if we had done it we would have been investigated

[00:21:25] all right let's do it I agree investigate let's have a full investigation

[00:21:33] yeah we'd love to hear from mr brown who you're accusing of being a racist corrupt liar that folds

[00:21:39] under a little pressure now the uh north carolina department of health and human services which

[00:21:45] is the name of the agency that he has such a problem naming um they put out a statement they

[00:21:50] said ensuring that jails operate within state law and rules is a shared responsibility between county

[00:21:56] sheriffs and the nc dh hs's division of health service regulation staff are professional and

[00:22:04] experienced in doing these surveys for facilities across the state and we have confidence in our

[00:22:09] team we take all concerns raised by those we serve seriously and will review them appropriately

[00:22:16] so he's going to get that investigation that he seeks but it's not his fault everybody just

[00:22:22] none of this is his fault it's all somebody else's fault he is the victim all right that'll do it for

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