It sure seems like Tyler Robinson was, in fact, the murderer of Charlie Kirk | Hour 1

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They in Utah, they do a probable cause hearing before they do the actual trial, and the probable cause hearing is whether or not there is probable cause to go to trial. So right now you're having the state for the and they started this on Monday, and the state is presenting various pieces of evidence to say, look, there's obviously probable cause that this guy did it, and here's the evidence. We have to go to trial with the defense in this hearing gets to argue back. So this is different than say a grand jury indictment right where the defense is not present. It's just the prosecutor, a judge, and a jury hearing the evidence that the prosecution lays out, with no defense pushback on anything, and then the grand jury says, yeah, we think there's enough evidence for you to indict, right, And that's why you have that axiom of prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich, right. I'm thinking all other cold cuts as well, But that's the idea behind that. So Utah has this additional process. So first off, you got to keep in mind there is no jury in this courtroom in Utah. They're just talking to the judge about various pieces of evidence and whether the judge then will decide there is enough probable cause. Also, keep in mind, probable cause is the lowest form of it's the lowest standard. Rather for law enforcement or prosecutors to have to clear probable cause. Is, Hey, we're looking for a burglar in this neighborhood and they're dressed in neon pink. And the cops see somebody walking down the street dressed in neon pink, and they're like, aha, I have probable cause to go up and talk to that person. And then as I talk to the person, I can develop new pieces of evidence that add to the probable cause standard. Right. There is then the second second or the mid tier standard, which does not apply in this case. It's the civil standard, which is a preponderance of evidence, which is simply fifty one percent versus forty nine percent. As soon as you have more evidence one way or the other, that determines the outcome. Those are in civil proceedings, but in criminal proceedings the standard is beyond a reasonable doubt, any doubt that a reasonable person could have. Kind of nebulous, but it's a higher standard. Okay, we are not at either of those, either the reasonable doubt standard or the preponderance of evidence. This is simply probable cause. So on, it really started picking up on day two. I will say, and there's a guy named Brecinthis who writes over at the Federalist dot com. He's been covering the trial. He's been giving sort of summaries after the day. It is actually going on right now. I was watching it right before we started the show, and I'll be jumping in during the breaks to see if there's any rulings. But they're they're going over at this point, they're going over what videos should be allowed into the hearing. That's the first question. And then the second question is about should that be visible to just the court in other words, just the judge. Should it be visible to the gallery where the victims family is. Erica Kirk is in the courtroom again, Charlie Kirk's parents are in the courtroom, and so the victims have rights in court as well. And then there's the third tier. And the judge kind of laid this out this morning, saying that he's trying to strike this balance between constitutional rights of the defendant, of the public, victims. Family, right, the media is there. The media has got an attorney that's been advocating for full transparency, for everything to be shown, right, So the judge is having to weigh all of these different competing constitutional claims and rights because he can look at the evidence himself and that's it. So in other words, just the court sees it, or it can be published to the gallery but not the media, or it can be fully published where the media can then put their video camera on the you know, on the screen, and they can record what they see on the screen. Right. So he's weighing these. Three tiers, and they're having to do this on like every piece of visual evidence, video evidence, the chat messages, the discord messages, the note that Tyler Robinson wrote allegedly because the defense is going to use you, you've got this. You basically have this argument of Okay, is there an evidentiary argument or is there a publication argument? Right, evidentiary versus publication. So you could say, I want to enter this into the evidence, into the record, and let's say, in the case, I believe it was Tuesday, the autopsy report. I want to put the autopsy report into evidence. Okay, should that be made public? Should that be published? Then? And what the defense will argue every single time is no publication of anything because it's going to taint the jury pool, because again there's no jury yet selected, So anything that gets published could jeopardize Tyler Robinson's ability to get a fair trial. Right, So they're making all these objections on like everything. They don't want any of this stuff published. They don't want any of it reported. Right. Meanwhile, the media lawyers up there like, publish it all. The state has generally defaulted more towards a publish at all, but not in all cases. In one case, for example, one piece, they were like, just play the audio, don't show the video, and that was sort of like a compromise kind of thing that they offered. Now. Interestingly enough, the first thing they started with this morning. There was a motion filed yesterday by the lawyers for Erica Kirk and the family, and they said, publish it all. They want everything to be available. The reason why, the absolute nut baggery of people like Candae Owens and these conspiracy theorists who have promoted all of these ridiculous claims. Just asking questions. We're gonna get into that too. We're just asking questions. So you're lying, is what you've been doing. They've been lying about this stuff. And by the way, that also taints the jury pool. You see. So you've got then the defense saying you can't and they're literally talking about a confession. Okay, Tyler Robinson confessed, he admitted, and the defense is saying, you can't publish that video because if you do, it's going to taint the jury pool. See. But if you don't publish, then people don't know it either, and then that could taint the jury pool. No, so this is what the judge is having to balance. I don't believe he has ruled yet on Yeah, he did. Actually he did say that that he is going to proceed with the tiered system that he's been running. 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So the stuff that we're seeing is just enough to say we have the evidence to go to trial. And that's why they're arguing over all of these different redactions in the videotapes. They're trying to decide is this going to be prejudicial to the defendant or against the defendant or for the defense or something right, So they're going over like five or six chunks of videotape, do we redact or not redact? And again this is just for purposes of the hearing, because at the full trial, all of this comes out, all of this gets put on, so people thinking like, oh, we got this redacted and now we're not going to get to use it. No no, no, no, no, that's all going to go into trial. This is just for the probable cause hearing. And what the defense is doing is trying to argue that any publication of any of this stuff is going to jeopardize Tyler Robinson's chance at a fair trial. But if they win that argument added bonus, it limits the evidentiary value right, So they would love to be able to keep all of this out now. So far, the judge hasn't been going along with that. The judge is like, no, we'll just play it for the gallery or no, that evidence is coming in, but it won't be published for everybody to see, for the media to report on all of that. The problem there is that it raises concerns that things are being withheld from the public, right, it may undermine public confidence in the system. All right. So on Tuesday, that was the second day of the preliminary hearings, and we saw the introduction of some of the most consequential evidence, including video evidence of what appears to be Robinson's movements before, during, and after the shooting. Okay, the video that they showed. Tracks Robinson's movements on campus four different times over the span of like twenty four hours, in the vehicle, on the roof, jumping from the roof, walking around in the parking deck, all of this stuff. One other thing to keep in mind on this. Too, This investigation was made way easier by a very important fact. Tyler Robinson turned himself in and admitted that he did it. Once. You when you start with. The suspect, then you can go backwards. So this is the difference between inductive and deductive, right, Like Sherlock Holmes would always say, you know, like deductive, you know, deductive reasoning and all of this, except it actually was inductive because the author knew the you know, knew who did it, and then anyway, it doesn't matter. Inductive is that you're starting from the endpoint where you know the outcome and then you're going to line up all of the evidence from there. Makes it way easier, which is why it's like, Okay, this guy admitted to it, and then we can pull his DMV records. We know his car. Oh, there's his car. Look at that. It's on the video tape. And he says what he did, and okay, well there he is right there, we know where he was, and here he is. Let's track it all backwards, like, isn't that amazing? Versus had he not turned himself in. Then you're having to piece together all of this different, all the different evidence to try to construct the thing. So the video it started with a compilation of the videos where the state had put together a compilation of these different you know, stationary cameras around the campus that captured all these movements, and they did things. Like zooming in. They put little. Red circles, you know, on the screen around Tyler Robinson, so you could see the part of the screen that they were looking at. The defense objected to this. They were like, you're manipulating the video zooming in, blah blah blah. So the court said, all right, prosecutors, go back and just give us basically the raw footage. And so that's what they did, and then that all got entered into evidence, and it's damning and it also blows up these conspiracies that somehow, I mean, I heard Jason Lewis on yesterday filling in for Winterble talking about zero point five seconds or something that did not happen. I don't know where that information comes from. People are just people have for ten months. People have been just making up stuff, just making it up. Robinson's alleged movements on campus show him coming and going twice in the morning of the shooting. The first video shows him parking his Dodge Challenger in the parking deck. He moves through the parking garage. He's wearing shorts and a T shirt. He's walking around. According to police, he then made contact with Turning Point USA representatives on that first visit to campus. Remember, Tyler Robinson lives, like, I don't know, two hours away. He doesn't go there. He's not like there was no reason for him to be on campus four times. The second video shows him entering campus on foot, this time where police say Robinson went an ate Chick fil A at around eleven AM, which I found to be odd because you're on campus planning to murder Charlie Kirk because of his speech his views on lgbt Q. Two IA plus whatever. But he just couldn't resist the hate chicken. I'm telling you, like, even though I'm going to murder somebody over this stuff, still got to have some Chick fil a right. Listen, going over the preliminary hearing again, preliminary hearing, not trial, no jury there. They're not presenting all of the evidence. The state is presenting just enough evidence to clear the standard of probable cause for a trial. Okay, that's all that's happening right now. Everything they're arguing about is just for probable cause to go to trial. Have you seen the footage from the text line. Have you seen the footage of him going into the police station to so called turn himself in? Have you seen the video of his confessional? I have seen the video of him turning himself in in police custody. Yes, that was entered into evidence yesterday. So yes, I have seen that and saw the testimony of the officer who spoke to him when he turned himself in and he told them his name. Okay, so yes. As for the video of his confessional, that's literally what they're debating right now. That's what they were The state tried to present all of the video into evidence. Yesterday, the defense objected, they went through all of these reactions, like half a dozen redactions because there's also video. There's like see, here's the problem for people that are conspiracy theorizing on this. Tyler Robinson admitted that he did it in a text message, in a group chat on discord, in a handwritten note to his parents and two police. The guy's got five admissions. I don't know how you can how you can just dismiss all five of these things. And this stuff was argued in the original charging papers last year. This has been known, and that's one of the arguments that the state and the family of Charlie Kirk have been making is that like, this is not new information. What's new is that we're going to see the video, and the Kirk family is saying the public needs to see this because you got people that are saying it doesn't exist. There are people that said that this video just like this Texter here says it doesn't exist. Or the autopsy report. There was no autopsy. They were claiming, yes there was, Oh, but I haven't seen the report. Yeah, because they didn't publish the report to the gallery. The court again with those three tiers, the court said, we'll take this into evidence. Now at trial that will be entered into evidence. They'll bring up the medical examiner, the coroner who did the autopsy, and they will go through the autopsy report, and then that conspiracy theory of yours will be dead. Okay. And this is why a lot. Of people who have been engaging in this ghoulish form of entertainment like they're living in I heard it referred to as sort of a Choose your Own Adventure meets true crime podcast, like it's grotesque. It's what people are doing is grotesque. Just because you don't know the answer to something doesn't mean there is no answer. It just means you don't know it. And this case has taken ten months to prepare to go to trial. This is now the beginning of it. And in those ten months, a lot of people have been playing around with some pretty disgusting ideas and questions that were just asking, so you're going to get some answers, now, are you willing to listen to the answers? If you thought there was no footage of him going into the police station to so call turn himself in, No, there isn't just so called about it. His parents walked in with him. Are his parents in on it? When his mom I d'd him from the video because here's what the moron. Candice Owens has been saying, footage of Tyler Robinson turning himself into police does not exist. It simply does not exist. It does, and it was produced. They had him in the holding cell on video, and then she says, I don't believe the footage of him turning himself in. She says, it's a body double. This is where you have to go when the video gets released. After you said it didn't exist, now you're saying it's a body double. She says, the video of him walking around campus, that's not him either. I believe that's somebody else. That's funny because his mother recognized him in the video. His own mother saw the video when they put it out last year, saying we're looking for this person of interest. Here's the video of this guy limping through the parking deck, and he was limping because he had a long gun shoved in his pants down his leg. That's how he got the gun on the roof. There was this idea I saw. People were like, oh, yeah, he brought the screwdriver. So he could assemble the rifle. Oh record time, blah blah blah. I didn't see any assembling of a rifle in the video. Another lie apparently that was made of oh and that he disassembled it and put it in a backpack. And he's on video jumping off the. Roof with the gun wrapped in a towel, which, by the way, has his DNA all over it. All over it, Like eighty nine percent of the DNA on the towel was from him. Huh eleven percent though, didn't right, it's not his correct the eleven percent DNA belonged to his roommate slash lover lands Twigs. So again, like, when. You look at all of the pieces of the evidence, not least of which is his multiple multiple confessions, his vehicle being there, his own mother identifying him, the gun being his grandfather's right, all of these things, he's either the unluckiest person that has ever walked the face of the earth, or what's more reasonable, he did it. He did it, and for the life of. Me, I don't understand why people are getting their rocks off by trying to create all of these crazy conspiracies. Guys, is it more or less likely that what is it the French Foreign Legion working with the Israelis and the Illuminati and Ben Shapiro and Turning Point USA and Derek A. Kirk and like all of these people conspired. Or was it somebody steeped in the transgender furry community that took out somebody because they opposed the transgender agenda? And by the way, there's there are other cases of that. We have multiple cases of people of trans people committing violent acts, which is more reasonable. I'm an Okham's Raiser kind of guy. When you have somebody doing five different admissions, has the gun over it on video his car too, I'm kind of thinking he did it. Yeah, I think that's the reasonable thing to think. So about ten minutes ago, the judge in the hearing ruled that the prosecution will be allowed to play in court and to the media an edited video. Right, this is the one that they want of the videos they've been arguing over. Lance Twiggs gave interviews to law enforcement, two different interviews, and the prosecution wants to play portions of those videos. They wanted to play the whole thing, but the defense objected, saying, you can't play this. Part, this part whatever. I don't know what parts that the defense wanted removed. Keep that in mind, conspirators, keep that in mind. The defense wanted these things redacted, not eric A Kirk, who if if she was in on it, you would think her attorney would be arguing that none of this stuff should be seen. But in fact her attorney has been arguing that they want all of it, all of it to be published. They want everything out there. They keep making these arguments. They won some, they lost more. So they've edited out some portions of the Lance Twigs interview. And now they're in a recess. Let me bounce over there just to yeah, they're still in a recess. Apparently the state and the defense are going to be they have to make sure that they are both on the same page here about what's going to be played. The time stamps to make sure because like you don't want like, if the court says you're allowed to play from this, you know, timestamp from you know, from zero zero to you know, two minutes and thirteen seconds, you got to make sure that's all that's going to be played, because if you go longer than that, then you could be in contempt and it could you know, ruin the proceeding and whatever, right, So, like you want to make sure that the video plays correctly. So they're in a recess right now. While they do all of that, prosecution meets with the defense to be on the same page about what which is to be protected. So again, this is stuff from the Lance Twigs interview with police where I assume, but I don't know because I've not seen the video yet, but we're going to see it soon. Lance Twigs tells law enforcement that Tyler Robinson sent him these text messages. Here are the text messages where he's saying he did it. Like, that's my bet, that's my guess. Let me go back over to the text line here, do do do? Do? Just because I'm a. Masochist, Jeff b says, Pete, has there been a trial for the guy who shot Trump in the ear? You know what? No, there hasn't. We are through the looking glass here people, or maybe there was no trial because he's dead? Right? Oh, are you saying that that Thomas Crooks wasn't the shooter on that one? Is that the idea there? Just asking questions, right, just asking questions. No, you generally don't try dead people, do do do do you, Jennifer says, I don't understand why they have to go through this if he already admitted gilt. Well, yes, he has the admissions, but then he lawyered up. He has not actually entered Utah's system is different, so he has not. I was surprised at this too when I learned this Monday that he has not actually entered a plea yet. See, so they're going to do this hearing on probable cause, and the defense now is seeing what evidence they've they're going to have to deal with. And that's why you've got lawyers that are saying this thing isn't going to trial, because any defense attorney is going to look at all of this stuff and they're going to be like. Dude, you're screwed. Like we'll try to negotiate to spare your life, but you're going You're going to prison for the rest of your life. No parole. That's probably the best we're going to be able to offer you because the evidence is so overwhelming. So I suspect at the end, and they're only going to go through I think Friday is what they're scheduled. They're only scheduled I think for this week and when they're done, then, I think is when Robinson would enter a plea, and that may be where you have the plea agreement, right, Jennifer says, as a recent widow myself, all of this conspiracy crap and the way that Erica Kirk has been treated it infuriates me beyond words. Yeah, I believe the Bible says something about how you're supposed to treat widows. Sid says to me, Candace Owens acts like a jealous friend that wanted Charlie for her own. Yeah, there has been I've seen that same sort of theory that's out there as well, that Candace was in love with Charlie Kirk and Charlie didn't pick her and whatever. But it was interesting. I've I've got an audio clip from one of the co founders of The Daily Wire, guy by the name of Jeremy Boring, and he now has his own podcast. He's no longer with The Daily Wire, but he was a partner of Ben Shapiro's when they started all of that. He was the guy who hired Candice Owens over there. So he has this podcast and he had a couple people on Three Guys on and they were talking about this yesterday and one of the guys he had on was Mark Meckler. And I've interviewed Mark Meckler, and I did a moderated debate with him and somebody else years ago on the Convention of States. He's active in the Convention of States project. I think he's like the executive director or something like that. Anyway, and that was the topic of it. I did not know that Meckler was like friends. He was good friends with Charlie Kirk and Meckler told a story on the Jeremy Boring podcast of how he knew Candace Owens she had just flipped from being a lefty to being a conservative supposedly, and he saw her at an airport and he knew that it was a very It's always difficult because you've lost all of your friends on the left. Nobody talks to you, right, You have no more professional connections. Right. All the people on the left now hate you because you left them right. And so he sees her at the airport sitting alone. He goes up to her, talks to her, asks how she's doing. She's like, I got a flat tire, can't even afford to fix it. Can't afford rent and all of this this was before she made it, and he says, well, but she was already getting involved in various movements. He calls her a couple days later and he says, look, we're basically going to give you. He's like, what do you need a month? And she said probably one thousand dollars. He said, we'll give you two thousand. We'll put you on the payroll, and you just keep doing what you're doing. And then out of the blue, out of nowhere, like a couple of years later or a year later or something, she sends him this terrible email or message saying I want nothing to do with you, You're terrible, blah blah blah, and just like just torched him for no reason. He's like, I have no idea what that was about. Just bizarre behaving. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, So if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to dpetecleanershow dot com again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.