If you don't like the law, change the laws (11-19-2025--Hour2)

What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, my daily show prep with all of the links, become a patron, go to dpeteclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your smartphone or tablet, And again, thank you so much for your support. So at the end of the last hour, John called in. We had a brief discussion. I just didn't have enough time to go over everything with him. But John had called and we spoke yesterday as well, and John works in the construction industry, and yesterday he was making the point that all of these job sites now have no workers and you know, all of these illegal aliens that have been on the job sites that you know, Americans won't do these jobs, and so therefore no one of this stuff is going to get built and this is going to be terrible for the economy and all of this. And then today John's follow up was seeking he said clarification on my position that what just deport all illegal aliens and My response is that is the law, and you are either for the enforcement of the law or you're going to say we shall reward you for breaking the law. Right, those are the options on the table. Now. John suggests that we write, you know, immigration, comprehensive immigration reform. And to that point, here's a text that comes in from one of our trolls on the text line, amazing, how quickly and conveniently you forget the GOP blocked bipartisan immigration reform so Trump could run on this item. I actually did not forget this aspect to this story when over it yesterday. I'm happy to revisit this point yet again, which is we did not need comprehensive immigration reform. This is why the Republicans opposed it. It's because it was a terrible bill. It was terrible. It empowered the Department of Homeland Security secretary to determine on his own accord when there would be a quote emergency, and then they put in a cap and I forget what the cap was that would trigger the emergency. It was like five thousand border crossings a day or something crazy. And even when you hit the trigger point, the Homeland Security Secretary could then say no, it's not really an emergency. I am done done trading this carrot of immigration reform for enforcement, because that's what's been occurring for forty years. I learned the lesson that was taught to us by Democrats and also Republicans in Ronald Reagan's term. We were supposed to get border security in exchange for the amnesty program. We got the amnesty program and didn't get the security. And ever since then, that's been the offer from Democrats and a lot of chamber Republicans, a lot of business friendly Republicans because they wanted the cheap labor too. That was then thrown out there, Oh well, we'll just do this, we'll do this. That's why George W. Bush got absolutely dragged over this issue with his path to citizenship crap that he tried to get enacted, and his own voter base revolted, prompting all the Republicans then to abandon the idea. That's why people call him Lindsay Grahamnesty Lindsey Graham. He was part of the Gang of six, right, these three Republicans, and or maybe it was a gang of eight. I don't know how many people they keep in their gangs. Nowadays, but back then it was like six or eight of them, four Democrats, four Republicans, whatever, and they you know, we're going to hammer out the comprehensive immigration reform bill, and it was garbage, just like the last attempt by Langford, and it was garbage, and that's why it was opposed. We are done with this, with this promise of enforcement at some point down the road, because it doesn't ever come. You guys did everything you could to thwart Trump when he wanted to build the wall in his first term, right, and now I'm supposed to believe that now you're on board with building the wall. Now you'll allow the thing that you've been going to every district court judge with a Napoleon complex to issue nationwide injunctions. Please, I'm done, So I'm not going to be I'm not going to be shamed into this position, into adopting a position that, Okay, let's just give forgiveness, let's give amnesty, because that's what a path to citizenship is. It is amnesty by a different name. Okay, you cannot gaslight me on this. I've been following this issue for twenty five years. I understand the issue. John wanted to know some of my ideas, Well, you're going to write the bill. First off, I'm not writing the bill. Secondly, if I were to write the bill, I would eliminate chain migration. I would nip that crap in the bud, basically undo the Kennedy components that Senator Ted Kennedy got stuck in there back in the what was it, late sixties. Cap the total number of immigrants per year? How many immigrants do you think America allows into the country every year? How many? What's a number? How many do you think America legally allows to come into the country every year. It's about a million. That's a lot of people. That's a lot of people. I'm not anti immigration. I want legal immigration, and I would prefer that the people that we are bringing in want to be Americans, right, they understand and agree with our creed as Americans. If you have an industry that doesn't have enough workers, then you can create just like we have done in the agricultural sector. Do it for the construction sector. But here's the thing. You gotta sign the guest book on the way in. You have to sign up for the program, and then you have to go back. You don't get American citizenship status because you came here for economic gain and you've been sending money back home to your family, and you intend to return back there at some point when you retire because you've made all this money in the field. And the employers that bring in the migrant workers, they got to pay them the prevailing wages, so they're not undercutting American workers. Also, simplify the immigration process. Takes too long, it's too expensive, make it easier to go through that process with the proper vetting. Of course. So those are just some of my ideas off the top of my head that I was thinking of during the top of the hour break. But again this argument that is like, well, we can't just deport them all. That's mean, Like I'm sorry, but that is the law. Like I don't know what to tell you at this point. We have tried it these other ways, and when you don't follow the law, you end up with the complete poop show that we now have and have had for the last thirty years and really amped up under Biden, like it's insanity. It's you're not a country if you don't have a secure border, if you allow anybody to come through and then live and work enjoy all of the benefits that they do. Like you're not even really a country at that point, and you're not assimilating people in and that is a key part of this assimilation. And this is the tension. There is a tension here because our ethos is that we are the land of opportunity. We welcome the immigrants. We want people to come here to be successful, contribute to the society, and so there's an openness, right, But the tension is that there are people who will take advantage of that. So you've got to find the balance there. And that's more of a cultural thing that gov CO can't force that upon people. To some extent, they can influence it right through assimilation focused policies. But that's the tension. We're a free society, yes, but we want people to come here, not to subvert it using the mechanisms that we all built here to undermine. You know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life. And our stories are told through images and videos. 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Regarding the construction industry because I mentioned to John who works in that field, and yesterday he made the case that you know, there's going to be a lot of these job sites now that are not going to have workers, and it prompted a bunch of messages on the text line driven by libertyviewick GMC, and so I went and I curated them here one said, I'm in construction, and now it looks like my skills are going to be worth a whole lot more. Another one said Pete twenty five years ago, I ran a roofing company in Charlotte, and I had not a single Latino worker. Today, the entire roofing workforce is Latino. I think there are indeed American citizens that'll do these jobs, but others are taking them away. Scott said, I don't know how I feel about this. I'm a Trump supporter, but this has shut down the construction industry in Charlotte, Columbia, Greenville. Today. I know legal immigrants that are scared and stayed home for fear of being targeted for their skin color, and this will hurt the housing industry and departments for months after that affects the economy. Okay, so legal immigrants legal immigrants. Well, if they are in the country and they don't have citizenship yet but they are legal aliens, then they are required to carry their proof that allows them to be here, whatever that is, work visa or whatever. They have to have that on them. That's the law. Again, I didn't write the laws. If you don't want these laws enforced, then the proper thing to do is to repeal the laws. And I would submit that the people who are running around with their cameras and hawking their horns and ramming their CBP vehicles and such, the Democrat lawmakers who want, you know, sanctuary cities and stuff, these are the people that are actually stoking the fear in the legal immigrant communities. Those are the ones that are doing it. If a CBP official comes up and asks you a question and you are here legally, you say, I'm a citizen of you know, whatever country, and here's my proof that I am legally required to carry with me at all times. Here's my proof that I'm in the country with permission. You are documented a documented immigrant. Kevin says, I have first hand experience of this. I'm a subcontractor for large construction companies in the area, including the largest roofing company on the East Coast. The way they get around the I nine form and E verify is paying subcontractor companies that actually do the roofing. The subs then hire the illegal immigrants. That is correct, Russ. Not that he needs me to say that he knows firsthand, Russ says the caller, arguing that we need these people to do the jobs Americans won't do. Is frustrating. Lower wages or offshoring is almost always a temporary savings but long term expense. If we paid higher wages, we'd attract more skilled workers who would do a better job. Things would cost marginally more, but it would remove all the hidden costs and give consumers better quality, longer lasting stuff. By the way, there are hidden costs. They come in the form of taxes that you pay to support programs to help people that are not earning enough. The left knows this, by the way, because this was the argument they made against Walmart in demanding that Walmart raise their wages. A third generation contractor friend told me his grandfather and father used to use the same subcontractors for decades, but the influx of illegal labor put many of those subs out of business. Now they rarely use the same subs more than a couple of times because of the lower quality work. They now spend almost as much on following up and fixing poor work than they would have spent on higher wages in the first place. I remember doing an interview with this was twenty years ago. I did an interview with a local union guy. He was a carpenter, and he said that his business had basically dried up and all he is brought in to do is exactly that. He comes in and does the high end finishes and fixes all of the mistakes in people's homes with new builds, that's what he does because they don't build it correctly and so he has to come in make it look better. Or if somebody wants custom work done, then he does that before they move in. And that's what his business has been reduced to. And he charges he At that time, he charged a lot of money per hour. He was a master carpenter. So like these are the real world impacts of these policies. You can't just look at one side of the ledger. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. 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Call or text eight two eight, three six seven seventy sixty eight or check out all there is to offer at Cabins of Aashville dot com and make memories that'll last a lifetime. Let's go back to the phone lines here and talk with AJ. Hello, AJ, welcome to the show. Oh this is Chester or should I say seminar caller? Hello, you got to turn your mic on. Make sure your stream yard or obs platform is U is recording. Hey, j did you forget which name you called in under I'm going to you. Okay, Yeah, that's good job, Good job, AJ James, Welcome to the program. Hello James. Hey, you got you've got a human on this infire alrighty. Hey, you know it's unfortunate that so many documented folks are staying home. But you know who to blame for it? I do. And it's the mediaize they're turning in. They're turning a targeted, legal government operation into a free for all, perceived free for all. And these people are scared to leave home. And I mean, and it's they're trying to make homeland security look bad and border patrol look bad. But but they're just creating chaos that doesn't need to happen. This is why, I this is why. Yeah, it's the Hamas strategy. Democrats did the exact same thing with the government shutdown. Right, It's a pr strategy that's based off of what Hamas did in order to the result is going to be the same. Right, the operation is still going to go on until I guess Friday afternoon. They're saying they're going to clear out, and I don't know if they will or not. That's I've seen the report that that's the timeline. But in the meantime, it's about pr to help the Democrats animate their base and get people rallying around their side. And that's what Hamas did during the two years after they you know, raped their way through and murdered their way through southern Israel. So yeah, like I recognize the strategy and the media and Democrats, but I repeat myself, they're the ones that are fomenting this kind of fear among the legal community exactly. And you know you made a comment about you knew someone of the business that made a good living out of correcting the bad workmanship. Let me put a plug in for some Hispanic workers that I experienced. We had a pretty large backyard project and we contracted with a Charlotte company to do the work. And they're subs. Most of them were Hispanic. They spoke some broken English, a little Spanish. But I'm telling you what, the workmanship, the work ethic, just the camaraderie. I was cutting up with them and they were just there was a cool bunch of guys and in the back of my mind, I'm wondering, Yeah, I wonder what their legal status is, and you know, yeah, probably should have asked. But on the other hand, it's like, I really didn't have any reason to. They did great work for reasonable money, and I've been getting away from that experience with a huge amount of respect. But here's the thing is that because of this, because of the policies and the lack of enforcement for forty years almost now, yep, these are the questions that now pop into people's minds, right because if if you knew and like, imagine an alternative world where we had border security, right, so anybody that was in the country there was a high degree of trust that they were here legally, right, then you wouldn't be thinking that way about these guys that are on your property doing the work. You would not have that thought. But because of the lack of enforcement for the last forty years, now people do view others like this. This is what This is the same thing Charlie Kirk was talking about before he was murdered, The same sort of dynamic at play when when there is like this is one of the outgrowth of affirmative action, for example, where now people start wondering did you get there for merit or did you get here for some sort of other reason, And that's like, that's wrong to do that to the population that would otherwise not be thinking these things. But for the policies exactly. Yeah, I think you make a really good point. And I think it's just like, you know, as Americans were kind of guilty. We love our two hundred dollars TVs, but long term would be better off if we paid three hundred dollars for a TV that was made in Wisconsin somewhere and you know, made on shore. I mean, I think it's a short sighted strategy for the cheap labor. As someone said earlier, it really is. It's a better long term strategy to strike a balance. Yeah. Well yeah, and part of the other thing is you can't compete with slave wages in China, you cannot compete with slave labor. Yeah, James, I appreciate the call, buddy. Thanks, thank you, Bud. There's another component here, and I've talked about this as well, which is for Democrats, this operation poses an existential threat to their power, Okay, And it has to do with the census. The census counts population total that population total is then divided. The total US population right is then divided out among four hundred and thirty five congressional seats to come up with the optimal population per congressional seat. Right now, it's about eight hundred thousand. Then you take that eight hundred thousand number, you plug it into a state's population, and that determines how many congressional seats you get in the House of Representatives. So, if you're counting total population and you're including a bunch of people that aren't supposed to be here, your population numbers go up, which means you get more congressional seats. It also factors into the Electoral College votes, which that elects the president. Right, So, if you have a reduction in illegal aliens that are living in America, if they are cloistered in predominantly Democrat states and cities and districts, they lose population, they lose seats, they lose the presidency. This is an existential problem for them. They don't want to talk about it. No local reporters ever asked the local Democrats about this. Here's Chip Roy. The leading study found that if congressional seats were properly apportioned based on the number of citizens, Republican states would gain between ten and twelve seats in the House of Representatives and votes in the Electoral College. Right, illegal aliens and non citizens have at least ten seats in the US House Representatives and the Electoral College, and that was before Biden administration's policies. Welcome to ten million more illegal aliens into our country during its disastrous four years. How many more seats will that give Democrats in the twenty thirty census if nothing changes. Counting of illegal aliens in the census and as part of the apportionment base, also violates the core constitutional principle of one person, one vote. The Supreme Court is repeatedly held that state and federal legislative districts must be roughly equal in population, so that each citizen's vote is roughly equal in power. There you go. There is a constitutional question at the heart of this debate, and nobody wants to talk about it. So kudos to Chip Roy for raising this. 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I use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it also supports ground News as they make the media landscape more transparent. Let me get Tim on here and the I'm gonna get to some of the text messages. Tim, Welcome to the show. Hey hope you're doing jam and joy. Thanks sir, Yes, sir, I had an observation I was watching a TikTok video last night, and somebody in Charlotte is following ice around, taking all their activities and they're posting them on TikTok. And there's actually quite a few of them. But any case, I was watching this and the tenor of it is to just demonstrate how draconian ice is and how horrible law enforcement is, and this such a thing. So I thought I'd just click over onto the comments that people are making about this. Slowly, eighty percent of every single comment on those videos are very positive towards law enforcement, reading things like praying for our ice agents, thank you for doing your job, You're welcome here in Charlotte. And I was just a little surprised at how many comments were so positive law enforcement right here in Charlotte. Yeah, well it does. That is cause for some optimism. Tim. I appreciate the call. That's that's surprising, but in a good way. I appreciate that. Let me get to some of these messages, because I got like two dozen of them here, seven oh four number. I'm wondering who provided all the Mexican flags for the young people to wrap around themselves at the street party. H slash protest last night. The flags still had creases where they had been folded and packaged. Yeah, I mean hard to say. You know, your guess is as good as mine. Let me see. Do you know how ICE identifies illegal immigrants? What kind of identification should illegal citizen have on them? Is a driver's license enough? Well, first off, it's Customs and Border Patrol. They have a set list of questions we learned yesterday that they run through. And yeah, if you have if you have a driver's license, then you show them the driver's license and then they can run your name through through their system. And if you're not a citizen of America and you claim to be one, that's actually a felony. Again, if you don't like the laws, then change the laws. If you want to be able to lie about whether you're here in the country illegally to a law enforcement officer, you want to be able to do that, then you know, whip the votes and start your letter writing campaign and get that done. Does the fourteenth Amendment allow the census to exclusively count citizen slash eligible voters. Well, this was one of the tests in the last census in twenty twenty, and this is what this is why Trump was trying to force that issue back then. So yeah, to me, it's just it's nuts. It's just nuts that we count people who aren't supposed to be here seven oh four numbers, says I'm glad you spoke about the census. The illegal immigrant position taken by the Democrats is not about compassion. It's about power. If it were about compassion, they would at least differentiate between illegals with violent records and those without out of compassion for the rest of the community. Yeah, that's a great point. I agree with current caller. As a contractor in rock Hill, we had several documented subs that will not come out of their house because they are scared and or don't want the potential hassle. We have had to update our clients and let them know of potential delays. It's all very unfortunate, though I wholeheartedly agree with this needed action and correction. These are subs out of Charlotte. Thank you for reporting, Pete. I'm in the multi family industry and I can remember a time when all of our contract landscapers were American, not one Latino. This was about twenty years ago. Those jobs now taken from Americans. Americans want skilled labor. So here's a little peak behind the personal curtain. I actually have been working with my HOA. I've been the landscape chair, Landscape committee chair, so I've actually been dealing with several landscaping companies and like, we know the ones that hire legal American citizens. We know we can determine that. So like, these are choices that companies make. Only been able to listen part time today. Outrageous. So I don't know if this was a topic, wouldn't the Democrats that are saying it's okay to refuse to obey orders, isn't that inciting insurrection? It is. It's a nullification crisis brewing. What you have at the heart of this is democrats for motives, as I mentioned, for power. Democrats are attempting to nullify through either ignoring the law or actively impeding law enforcement from the federal government, and that is creating a nullification crisis. And the last time we had one of these, it ended in a civil war, and Democrats were also at that time trying to protect their slave labor. So there is that commonality too. All Right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to dpetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.