Hunter's defense: It was a small gun & he wasn't high at time of purchase (06-05-2024--Hour3)
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Hunter's defense: It was a small gun & he wasn't high at time of purchase (06-05-2024--Hour3)

This episode is presented by Carolina Readiness Supply The trial of President Joe Biden's son, Hunter, got underway this week and the defense is making some very weak arguments in its effort to spare him from a guilty verdict.

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[00:00:29] So the trial of Hunter Biden is underway in a courtroom in Delaware.

[00:00:35] Ashley Biden, Hunter Biden's half sister, Kevin Morris, the sugar daddy paying all of

[00:00:41] his legal bills.

[00:00:43] Hunter Biden's wife is his stepmom, Dr. Jill.

[00:00:49] They were all there for the first day.

[00:00:53] Jury selection was done very quickly.

[00:00:55] Actually, I've got to run down here on some of the highlights.

[00:00:59] Let me start there.

[00:01:00] We'll do it live.

[00:01:02] Okay.

[00:01:03] NBC News has the rundown.

[00:01:06] Here are the ones that were chosen.

[00:01:07] And I'm going to give you the juror number, but the numbers are not going to be one, two,

[00:01:12] three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12.

[00:01:14] It's going to be from a pool of I think there was like 250 or something or maybe I forget

[00:01:20] how many, but that it came from the pool.

[00:01:22] So the juror number is associated with the pool number.

[00:01:25] So juror number three said her sister has a history with drug addiction and was convicted

[00:01:31] in Delaware for credit card fraud and drug charges about 10 years ago, but is currently

[00:01:35] clean.

[00:01:37] Juror five worked for the U.S. Secret Service in Washington, D.C.

[00:01:41] Juror 16 had heard about the case in general on YouTube, but that juror is now off the

[00:01:48] jury.

[00:01:49] There was a reason for this.

[00:01:52] Here it is.

[00:01:53] Juror 16 had dropped out after the trial, after writing the judge a letter which said

[00:01:57] she lived an hour away and was unemployed and had no way to make it to court every single

[00:02:02] day.

[00:02:03] It's not clear which one of the four alternate jurors has taken her place.

[00:02:08] That was according to John Sexton's piece at hotair.com.

[00:02:10] All right.

[00:02:11] Back to the list.

[00:02:13] Juror number 19 does not think that people who smoke marijuana should not be allowed

[00:02:18] to own guns.

[00:02:20] Juror 20 received a DUI and pleaded guilty.

[00:02:23] Juror 26 owns several firearms and has owned more than six over his lifetime.

[00:02:29] Juror 31 is younger and said his father owned guns.

[00:02:34] Number 33 said his father was killed in a gun crime in 2004.

[00:02:40] Juror 34 was described as a non-white woman who owns a gun.

[00:02:45] By the way, the gun ownership thing is important here because it may not play the way you might

[00:02:50] think.

[00:02:52] It might be that, like for example, Hunter Biden's defense is making an argument that

[00:03:00] the NRA makes about the form that Hunter Biden signed and check the box that he does not

[00:03:07] do drugs and is not an addict, he's not addicted to drugs or anything.

[00:03:11] And the NRA takes the position that that should not be a disqualifying thing if you used to

[00:03:19] be on drugs and you're not anymore.

[00:03:22] They don't, they object to the language on the form.

[00:03:26] So now you've got Hunter Biden making an argument with which his father, the president, you

[00:03:31] know, career politician has been against, which is interesting.

[00:03:36] But that's why the defense might want a lot of gun owners on the jury because they would

[00:03:43] take a view maybe that's more in line with the NRA view.

[00:03:48] Jury number 37 said his brother-in-law and his brother are alcoholics and both are dead.

[00:03:57] Juror 38 said her childhood best friend died of a heroin overdose.

[00:04:01] And juror 39 had an older brother who was addicted to PCP and heroin.

[00:04:05] However, he apparently does not talk to the brother very much anymore.

[00:04:08] There are also four alternate jurors, including one who wants more strict controls of gun

[00:04:12] ownership and one who had previously donated to Barack Obama.

[00:04:17] All right, so there's the rundown of the jurors.

[00:04:22] I think the number I saw or heard earlier today was that half of the jurors knew somebody

[00:04:28] or they themselves were personally affected by drug addiction or alcohol addiction.

[00:04:33] All right, so the prosecutor starts off the case.

[00:04:39] Derek Hines is his name.

[00:04:41] And he began opening statements around 9 57 a.m. yesterday by saying no one is above the

[00:04:46] law.

[00:04:47] Where have I heard that before?

[00:04:48] It seems OK.

[00:04:50] No one is above the law.

[00:04:51] It doesn't matter who you are or what your name is.

[00:04:55] Defendants are tried because of the choices they made, he said, and added that Hunter Biden

[00:05:00] chose to illegally own a firearm and that were also here because he chose to lie on that form.

[00:05:08] Hines showed a photo of the Colt Cobra 38 revolver, which Biden bought, and the ATF form that

[00:05:16] he filled out when he bought it.

[00:05:19] He then played some of the segments from Hunter Biden's memoir.

[00:05:24] Which was available as an audio book.

[00:05:27] That Hunter Biden read himself.

[00:05:31] Mm hmm.

[00:05:33] Yeah.

[00:05:34] Oh, now granted, under Biden's memoir is not necessarily, you know, covered.

[00:05:42] It's not covered under perjury rules.

[00:05:45] Because.

[00:05:46] He didn't swear an oath when he wrote the book, and didn't swear an oath when he read

[00:05:50] his own words as part of the audio book, but it is him and it's kind of like he's testifying.

[00:05:59] Right.

[00:06:00] This is his own book, his autobiography, and it's his voice stating his own words.

[00:06:09] Right.

[00:06:11] Kind of damning.

[00:06:13] And by kind of, I mean, really, really damning.

[00:06:17] The defendant knew he was an addict, Hines said.

[00:06:21] And then he cited a text message from Hunter where he called himself, quote, a liar and

[00:06:26] a thief as well as a drug user.

[00:06:29] Prosecutors also played portions of the audio book.

[00:06:35] Talking about this, where he describes himself as smoking crack every 20 minutes of every

[00:06:39] day.

[00:06:40] He even described it, which is weird because I thought crack killed you.

[00:06:44] Like that's every 20 minutes every day.

[00:06:51] He even described his ability to find crack cocaine as a quote superpower.

[00:06:59] Which why not?

[00:07:02] Why not work with law enforcement, dude?

[00:07:04] Like you could put your powers to use for good.

[00:07:08] Right.

[00:07:09] You try to try to sniff out all the crack.

[00:07:12] Well, OK, bad.

[00:07:13] All right.

[00:07:14] No, don't do that.

[00:07:15] That would be some of it might get up the anyway.

[00:07:19] No, you smoke it.

[00:07:21] Anyway, several witnesses, including Haley Biden.

[00:07:26] That's his brother's widow.

[00:07:29] So his sister in law with whom he had an affair after.

[00:07:34] Bo Biden died.

[00:07:36] She's going to testify that she saw him smoke crack about every 15 minutes in the months

[00:07:42] before and after the time when he bought the gun.

[00:07:48] Hines then closed his opening statement by noting that while being an addict is not a

[00:07:53] choice, buying a gun is.

[00:07:56] Hunter Biden is not charged with using drugs.

[00:07:59] He is charged with buying a gun and lying on the ATF form.

[00:08:04] Next up, Biden's attorney, Abby Lowell, made his opening statement in which he stressed

[00:08:09] that Hunter didn't knowingly break the law, which right that it speaks to the old axiom

[00:08:17] that ignorance of the law means you're innocent.

[00:08:20] Right.

[00:08:21] That's the old act.

[00:08:22] No, that's not the axiom.

[00:08:23] Oh, it's the opposite.

[00:08:25] Oh, sorry.

[00:08:26] Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

[00:08:28] That's right.

[00:08:29] Sorry.

[00:08:30] But he's going to make this argument now.

[00:08:33] I know people who don't watch a lot of court TV or something may be wondering or true crime

[00:08:38] may be wondering, like, why are you making such a weak argument?

[00:08:43] And here's the reason.

[00:08:44] They don't have another argument.

[00:08:47] That's the problem.

[00:08:49] Sometimes as a defense attorney, you have a case, you have a defendant that is quite

[00:08:53] clearly by overwhelming evidence guilty.

[00:08:59] So all you're trying to do is to get the best outcome you can.

[00:09:03] And in this case, the best outcome is probably going to be a hung jury.

[00:09:08] Right.

[00:09:09] That's that's probably the best outcome.

[00:09:12] Short of that, probably the best outcome.

[00:09:17] Minimal I would say jail time, but maybe probation.

[00:09:21] Right.

[00:09:22] He gets convicted, but you get a very light sentence.

[00:09:25] Those are like your best outcomes that you're working for.

[00:09:29] He said Hunter, this is what Abby Lowell said, quote, Hunter Biden bought a small handgun.

[00:09:35] It was never loaded.

[00:09:36] He never used it.

[00:09:39] So this falls under the constitutional exemption for, quote, small handguns.

[00:09:42] Right.

[00:09:43] That's the exception.

[00:09:44] Oh, it's just a small handgun.

[00:09:46] Why didn't you say so?

[00:09:49] Well, now when you sign that form now, it makes total sense.

[00:09:54] It wasn't like he was buying, you know, something like an AR-15 assault rifle.

[00:10:03] It's just a small handgun.

[00:10:04] That's just a little baby.

[00:10:05] It's a baby gun, little baby gun.

[00:10:07] And he never loaded it and he only had it 11 days.

[00:10:11] The only reason he had it 11 days and not longer was because Hallie, I always want to

[00:10:16] say Hallie Berry, Hallie Biden threw it in a trash can.

[00:10:20] She found it and she threw it in the garbage in a public place like near a school.

[00:10:25] But aside from that, he only had it 11 days, people.

[00:10:28] I don't understand what the big deal is.

[00:10:29] It was a baby gun, just tiny, teeny, weeny little gun.

[00:10:33] See?

[00:10:34] Breaking news from The Washington Times.

[00:10:36] Chairman of three different House committees have sent criminal referrals to the Justice

[00:10:41] Department accusing Hunter Biden and the president's younger brother, James Biden, of lying in congressional

[00:10:49] depositions to hide Joe Biden's involvement in their lucrative business schemes.

[00:10:55] In a letter to Attorney General Merrick Garland and Special Counsel David Weiss, who's prosecuting

[00:10:59] Hunter on the gun and tax crimes, the lawmaker said both Hunter and James gave false statements

[00:11:05] to lawmakers in closed door depositions provided in February.

[00:11:10] And Hunter Biden, they say, also committed perjury.

[00:11:18] The three House panels are overseeing an impeachment probe into Mr. Biden, who they say used the

[00:11:22] vice presidency to help his family, their associates and himself cash in on foreign

[00:11:27] deals that netted them at least thirty five million dollars, including eight million in

[00:11:31] loans.

[00:11:33] The letter was signed by Oversight and Accountability Oversight and Accountability Committee Chairman

[00:11:38] James Comer of Kentucky Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan of Ohio and Ways and Means

[00:11:44] Committee Chairman Jason Smith of Missouri, who led the impeachment probe.

[00:11:54] Later on, OK, it's unlikely Mr. Biden's own Justice Department will pursue prosecutions

[00:11:59] against either family member.

[00:12:00] Mr. Biden has denied any involvement in any of his family's business deals.

[00:12:04] However, the criminal referrals may be the most significant action GOP lawmakers take

[00:12:11] following a months long impeachment probe.

[00:12:13] All right.

[00:12:14] Well, there you go.

[00:12:16] We're going to turn it over.

[00:12:17] Criminal referrals balls in your court now, Garland St.

[00:12:19] Garland.

[00:12:20] Rest is rest in peace.

[00:12:22] No, I'm kidding.

[00:12:24] He's still alive.

[00:12:25] All right.

[00:12:26] So the defense attorney for Hunter Biden named Abby Lowell said in his opening statement

[00:12:33] that Hunter was not an active drug addict when he made the purchase of the gun, although

[00:12:42] he did acknowledge that Hunter was still drinking heavily at the time.

[00:12:46] The veteran defense attorney presented Hunter as a sympathetic case who had become addicted

[00:12:51] to drugs early in his life as a result of the traumas he suffered as a child, losing

[00:12:56] his mother in a car accident that left him with a traumatic brain injury.

[00:13:00] So he's arguing that he has a brain injury.

[00:13:07] Like literally millions of people in this country, Hunter fought addiction.

[00:13:10] Lowell said he has abused alcohol since he was a teenager and drugs since he was an adult.

[00:13:17] Lowell went on to insist that Hunter was not planning to purchase the teeny weeny little

[00:13:22] gun when he entered the sporting goods store on that October day, that October Friday

[00:13:29] in 2018.

[00:13:31] Hunter had instead bought a cell phone right across the street.

[00:13:35] He was merely shopping around when a salesman directed him to the gun section of the store.

[00:13:43] Hang on a second.

[00:13:45] Starquest Shooters and Survival Company.

[00:13:50] Survival Supply rather.

[00:13:51] Starquest Shooters and Survival Supply.

[00:13:54] That was the store he wandered into after buying the cell phone or something.

[00:13:58] Well, he lost his other one.

[00:14:00] He turned it in with the laptop or something.

[00:14:02] No, I don't know.

[00:14:03] But oh, speaking of the laptop.

[00:14:05] So that's actually legit.

[00:14:08] You know how I know?

[00:14:11] They entered it into evidence today or yesterday.

[00:14:15] Now, the Department of Justice entered into evidence Hunter Biden's laptop, the same laptop

[00:14:22] that 51 intelligence officials told us was likely a Russian disinformation op and then

[00:14:29] pressured big tech to suppress the story on social media so people wouldn't report it.

[00:14:36] And the media outlet said it was debunked.

[00:14:38] It was a lie.

[00:14:39] It's not true.

[00:14:40] So Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian disinformation op.

[00:14:45] And they entered it into evidence.

[00:14:47] They said it was legit.

[00:14:48] They had the chain of custody, blah, blah, blah.

[00:14:50] When the DOJ had the laptop for a year prior to the New York Post reporting that then got

[00:14:58] them censored right before the election in 2020.

[00:15:02] They entered it into evidence and they said it's legit.

[00:15:08] And they had the chain of custody the entire time.

[00:15:12] They entered into the store and that's when some salesman named Gordon Cleveland, if you

[00:15:16] can even trust a guy named that.

[00:15:19] He said, well, the sales guy just, you know, sold me the gun.

[00:15:23] I didn't even want it, which OK, to quote the philosopher Chris Rock, nobody sold you

[00:15:29] drugs.

[00:15:30] They offered them to you.

[00:15:31] Same goes for this gun.

[00:15:33] Right.

[00:15:34] Nobody forced you to buy a gun.

[00:15:36] OK.

[00:15:37] They said, hey, look at this.

[00:15:38] Here's a gun.

[00:15:39] Couldn't you see yourself rolling with this 38 Cobra?

[00:15:42] Yeah.

[00:15:43] And he's like, OK.

[00:15:45] By the way, Gordon Cleveland will be called to testify as a witness for the prosecution.

[00:15:51] They will also call a DEA agent to testify about Hunter's use of slang terms such as

[00:15:56] baby powder to refer to cocaine in text messages with his dealer.

[00:16:01] OK, just a word of advice here.

[00:16:06] Maybe use a different term.

[00:16:08] When you're using code in text messages for coke, baby powder, that's a little.

[00:16:17] Nobody's going to believe that you're calling somebody or texting somebody to deliver you

[00:16:22] some baby powder.

[00:16:23] You know, it's also way more letters if you're texting with your thumbs, you know, boo, boo,

[00:16:28] boo, boo.

[00:16:29] It's way too many letters to text than coke.

[00:16:31] It's like four letters.

[00:16:33] Find something else that's, you know, four or five letters long and that, you know, doesn't

[00:16:38] actually resemble cocaine.

[00:16:40] If you're trying to cover that up.

[00:16:41] Right.

[00:16:42] I shouldn't be giving this advice.

[00:16:43] I should not be.

[00:16:44] This is people are going to take that the wrong way.

[00:16:46] Also at the court yesterday, NBC News reported that there was a dramatic confrontation in

[00:16:51] the hallway.

[00:16:52] Hunter's wife, Melissa Biden, shouted at former Trump White House aide Garrett Ziegler, quote,

[00:17:00] She got close to him and said in a loud, emotional voice and gestured towards him, pointing her

[00:17:06] finger at him saying, you have no right to be here.

[00:17:10] You Nazi piece of poop.

[00:17:14] And then she walked away.

[00:17:15] That's entirely normal.

[00:17:19] Actually, he does have a right to be there.

[00:17:21] It being a public courthouse and all, he is totally allowed to be there.

[00:17:24] Over the past few weeks, President Joe Biden, this is from Politico, President Joe Biden

[00:17:29] has grown consumed by worries over the trial of his son, Hunter Biden.

[00:17:34] Joe has long expressed a private guilt to confidants about the spotlight that his career

[00:17:39] has cast on his family.

[00:17:41] He has expressed fear that the trial could lead to his son's incarceration or endanger

[00:17:47] his sobriety.

[00:17:48] So the situation is bad now, but it's going to get worse, according to John Sexton at

[00:17:56] HotAir.com, because Halle Berry, sorry, Halle Biden or Haley Biden, that's Bo Biden's

[00:18:03] widow with whom Hunter then began sleeping with after Bo's death.

[00:18:10] That she's going to testify about having an affair with Hunter and also smoking crack

[00:18:15] with him.

[00:18:16] There will also be testimony from Hunter's ex-wife to whom he owes millions of dollars

[00:18:21] in child support.

[00:18:22] Now, that's the ex-wife.

[00:18:24] That's not the exotic dancer that he fathered the child with.

[00:18:28] He owes her a whole bunch of money, too.

[00:18:30] Different person.

[00:18:31] OK, different person.

[00:18:34] A highly anticipated moment in the trial took place Tuesday afternoon when the prosecution

[00:18:41] introduced Biden's laptop as evidence during the trial.

[00:18:44] Derek Hines, the prosecutor, questioned an FBI special agent, Erika Jensen, on the laptop

[00:18:52] and federal investigators process of a verifying its data in order to prove that the device

[00:18:57] and its contents are, in fact, authentic.

[00:18:59] And then they introduced exhibits from the laptop as evidence at trial.

[00:19:03] Jensen detailed how law enforcement obtained the laptop's hard drive in the fall of 2019,

[00:19:11] a year before the stories ran in The New York Post.

[00:19:15] Hines presented the physical laptop to Jensen.

[00:19:19] She held it up for the entire courtroom to see, causing murmurs among the reporters.

[00:19:23] Murmur, murmur, murmur, murmur, murmur.

[00:19:25] The FBI used forensic tools to extract data from the laptop after obtaining a search warrant.

[00:19:31] And then she explained how they verified it by cross-referencing his iCloud storage accounts

[00:19:38] with the company's, the computer's serial number.

[00:19:41] She was brought into the Biden investigation last fall, got up to speed with all the materials

[00:19:47] Now, you'll recall last year, IRS whistleblower Gary Shapley gave similar testimony before Congress

[00:19:53] on how the laptop was verified.

[00:19:56] And for that, he was vilified by Democrats and media.

[00:20:00] But I repeat myself.

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[00:20:57] Got a message here from Russ on the Twitter machine.

[00:21:00] I lean towards the form 4047...

[00:21:03] Sorry, 4473.

[00:21:05] This is the federal form to buy the gun that Hunter Biden filled out.

[00:21:10] He says, I lean towards the idea that the form is unconstitutional,

[00:21:12] but also I enjoy the schadenfreude...

[00:21:15] Or schadenfreude?

[00:21:17] Whatever.

[00:21:18] Of the younger Biden getting pinched by the policies his father promotes.

[00:21:22] I keep hearing Hunter is being prosecuted for lying on his form 4040...

[00:21:26] Sorry, 4473.

[00:21:28] I don't know why I have a problem saying that.

[00:21:30] For a single Colt revolver that was improperly disposed of in a dumpster near a school

[00:21:34] by his sister-in-law slash brother's widow slash lover.

[00:21:39] Regrettably, I have seen some of the photos and video from his laptop

[00:21:43] that also show him holding at least one, possibly two other black semi-automatic pistols.

[00:21:48] Nowhere have I seen anyone inquiring how those were acquired.

[00:21:54] Yeah, that's a problem.

[00:21:56] For Republicans, they're going to have to pounce or seize or something

[00:22:00] in order to get that ball rolling.

[00:22:04] The defense is claiming that Hunter Biden was not a crack addict

[00:22:10] at the moment of the gun purchase.

[00:22:14] At the moment he bought the gun, he was not addicted to crack.

[00:22:18] Why? Ah, glad you asked.

[00:22:20] Because he had just come out of rehab.

[00:22:23] And so because he was out of rehab, he's no longer an addict.

[00:22:29] Which doesn't really make a lot of sense because once you're an addict, you are an addict.

[00:22:34] But also he was heavily drinking.

[00:22:36] So it wasn't like he was free and clear of all of the intoxicants.

[00:22:42] One other note here.

[00:22:45] So essentially, it's an argument that's like,

[00:22:47] so he wasn't high at the moment he bought the gun.

[00:22:51] He wasn't in the act of lighting the crack pipe

[00:22:55] and inhaling as he signed the form.

[00:22:58] And so therefore, get out of jail free.

[00:23:04] In the middle of his opening statement,

[00:23:06] Abbey Lowell displayed Hunter Biden's resume to the jury

[00:23:10] in order to show all of his accomplishments.

[00:23:15] The resume, however, did not include his lucrative seat

[00:23:19] on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holdings for some reason or another.

[00:23:24] Why would you leave that off of the resume?

[00:23:27] What's up with that?

[00:23:28] Aren't you proud of that service?

[00:23:32] That is, of course, the main subject of the New York Post's reporting

[00:23:36] on the Hunter Biden abandoned laptop story from 2020.

[00:23:44] That was the point.

[00:23:45] That was their story.

[00:23:46] And that was what the DOJ and the intel agencies

[00:23:50] and all of these 51 intelligence officials signed onto the letter

[00:23:54] that was put together by the Biden, now part of the Biden team.

[00:23:59] They circulated the letter, they got it all signed

[00:24:01] and then it got published.

[00:24:02] And then that was used to shut down the spread of the story,

[00:24:06] to censor the New York Post.

[00:24:07] They locked the New York Post's social media accounts

[00:24:11] so they could not send the story.

[00:24:13] I tried this too, by the way.

[00:24:15] You could not even share the link to the article.

[00:24:20] And you'll recall prior to that article's publication,

[00:24:25] within the year prior,

[00:24:27] the intelligence community did these sort of tabletop

[00:24:31] war game exercises with a whole bunch of media people

[00:24:35] at like the Aspen conference.

[00:24:38] And they said, let's just make up a scenario.

[00:24:43] We're just spitballing here.

[00:24:45] But let's just say, just roll with us.

[00:24:49] Let's just say Joe Biden's son Hunter,

[00:24:53] I don't know if you heard of him.

[00:24:55] Let's just say he's got a laptop and it comes public

[00:24:58] and it's got a whole bunch of stuff on there

[00:25:01] that talks about some deals, you know,

[00:25:03] with some foreign governments

[00:25:05] and energy companies and the like.

[00:25:07] Then that's how Russia, they planted this laptop

[00:25:10] and that's how they're going to try to influence the election.

[00:25:12] So what do you do?

[00:25:14] What do you do, tech companies?

[00:25:16] And they were like, oh my gosh, well, that would be bad.

[00:25:18] We don't want Russian interference

[00:25:20] like they did in 2016 in order to get Trump elected over Hillary.

[00:25:23] Because lefties believe that.

[00:25:25] It's not true, but they believe it.

[00:25:27] They believe Russia manipulated the election

[00:25:30] to make Hillary lose.

[00:25:32] It wasn't her stupid stop at the taco place

[00:25:35] with the sunglasses and it wasn't her refusal

[00:25:37] to campaign in Wisconsin

[00:25:39] or the fact that she's just a really unlikable person

[00:25:41] and a terrible candidate.

[00:25:43] No, no, it was the Russians.

[00:25:45] So they seed the field, right?

[00:25:48] They sprinkle the seeds all around.

[00:25:51] They're like, be aware,

[00:25:53] you see a laptop with Hunter Biden's name

[00:25:56] associated with it in like Russia, Ukrainian stuff.

[00:25:59] That's disinformation.

[00:26:01] And then lo and behold, here comes a laptop,

[00:26:03] which of course the DOJ knew about

[00:26:05] because they had the laptop from a year prior.

[00:26:07] I'm sure it's all a complete coincidence.

[00:26:15] Jonathan Turley, he believes that what the defense

[00:26:19] is looking to do here

[00:26:22] to get essentially jury nullification

[00:26:24] where you have one juror who says,

[00:26:26] I don't think these charges should have been brought

[00:26:29] because I don't think the law

[00:26:31] should be in place as it is.

[00:26:33] And so I'm going to hang the jury.

[00:26:36] I'm going to say no on conviction

[00:26:38] because I disagree with the law,

[00:26:40] jury nullification.

[00:26:42] And the judge has already sniffed this out

[00:26:44] and is trying to put the clamps on it.

[00:26:46] We'll see.

[00:26:48] All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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