Hunter's defense: It was a small gun & he wasn't high at time of purchase (06-05-2024--Hour3)

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[00:00:29] So the trial of Hunter Biden is underway in a courtroom in Delaware.

[00:00:35] Ashley Biden, Hunter Biden's half sister, Kevin Morris, the sugar daddy paying all of

[00:00:41] his legal bills.

[00:00:43] Hunter Biden's wife is his stepmom, Dr. Jill.

[00:00:49] They were all there for the first day.

[00:00:53] Jury selection was done very quickly.

[00:00:55] Actually, I've got to run down here on some of the highlights.

[00:00:59] Let me start there.

[00:01:00] We'll do it live.

[00:01:02] Okay.

[00:01:03] NBC News has the rundown.

[00:01:06] Here are the ones that were chosen.

[00:01:07] And I'm going to give you the juror number, but the numbers are not going to be one, two,

[00:01:12] three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12.

[00:01:14] It's going to be from a pool of I think there was like 250 or something or maybe I forget

[00:01:20] how many, but that it came from the pool.

[00:01:22] So the juror number is associated with the pool number.

[00:01:25] So juror number three said her sister has a history with drug addiction and was convicted

[00:01:31] in Delaware for credit card fraud and drug charges about 10 years ago, but is currently

[00:01:35] clean.

[00:01:37] Juror five worked for the U.S. Secret Service in Washington, D.C.

[00:01:41] Juror 16 had heard about the case in general on YouTube, but that juror is now off the

[00:01:48] jury.

[00:01:49] There was a reason for this.

[00:01:52] Here it is.

[00:01:53] Juror 16 had dropped out after the trial, after writing the judge a letter which said

[00:01:57] she lived an hour away and was unemployed and had no way to make it to court every single

[00:02:02] day.

[00:02:03] It's not clear which one of the four alternate jurors has taken her place.

[00:02:08] That was according to John Sexton's piece at hotair.com.

[00:02:10] All right.

[00:02:11] Back to the list.

[00:02:13] Juror number 19 does not think that people who smoke marijuana should not be allowed

[00:02:18] to own guns.

[00:02:20] Juror 20 received a DUI and pleaded guilty.

[00:02:23] Juror 26 owns several firearms and has owned more than six over his lifetime.

[00:02:29] Juror 31 is younger and said his father owned guns.

[00:02:34] Number 33 said his father was killed in a gun crime in 2004.

[00:02:40] Juror 34 was described as a non-white woman who owns a gun.

[00:02:45] By the way, the gun ownership thing is important here because it may not play the way you might

[00:02:50] think.

[00:02:52] It might be that, like for example, Hunter Biden's defense is making an argument that

[00:03:00] the NRA makes about the form that Hunter Biden signed and check the box that he does not

[00:03:07] do drugs and is not an addict, he's not addicted to drugs or anything.

[00:03:11] And the NRA takes the position that that should not be a disqualifying thing if you used to

[00:03:19] be on drugs and you're not anymore.

[00:03:22] They don't, they object to the language on the form.

[00:03:26] So now you've got Hunter Biden making an argument with which his father, the president, you

[00:03:31] know, career politician has been against, which is interesting.

[00:03:36] But that's why the defense might want a lot of gun owners on the jury because they would

[00:03:43] take a view maybe that's more in line with the NRA view.

[00:03:48] Jury number 37 said his brother-in-law and his brother are alcoholics and both are dead.

[00:03:57] Juror 38 said her childhood best friend died of a heroin overdose.

[00:04:01] And juror 39 had an older brother who was addicted to PCP and heroin.

[00:04:05] However, he apparently does not talk to the brother very much anymore.

[00:04:08] There are also four alternate jurors, including one who wants more strict controls of gun

[00:04:12] ownership and one who had previously donated to Barack Obama.

[00:04:17] All right, so there's the rundown of the jurors.

[00:04:22] I think the number I saw or heard earlier today was that half of the jurors knew somebody

[00:04:28] or they themselves were personally affected by drug addiction or alcohol addiction.

[00:04:33] All right, so the prosecutor starts off the case.

[00:04:39] Derek Hines is his name.

[00:04:41] And he began opening statements around 9 57 a.m. yesterday by saying no one is above the

[00:04:46] law.

[00:04:47] Where have I heard that before?

[00:04:48] It seems OK.

[00:04:50] No one is above the law.

[00:04:51] It doesn't matter who you are or what your name is.

[00:04:55] Defendants are tried because of the choices they made, he said, and added that Hunter Biden

[00:05:00] chose to illegally own a firearm and that were also here because he chose to lie on that form.

[00:05:08] Hines showed a photo of the Colt Cobra 38 revolver, which Biden bought, and the ATF form that

[00:05:16] he filled out when he bought it.

[00:05:19] He then played some of the segments from Hunter Biden's memoir.

[00:05:24] Which was available as an audio book.

[00:05:27] That Hunter Biden read himself.

[00:05:31] Mm hmm.

[00:05:33] Yeah.

[00:05:34] Oh, now granted, under Biden's memoir is not necessarily, you know, covered.

[00:05:42] It's not covered under perjury rules.

[00:05:45] Because.

[00:05:46] He didn't swear an oath when he wrote the book, and didn't swear an oath when he read

[00:05:50] his own words as part of the audio book, but it is him and it's kind of like he's testifying.

[00:05:59] Right.

[00:06:00] This is his own book, his autobiography, and it's his voice stating his own words.

[00:06:09] Right.

[00:06:11] Kind of damning.

[00:06:13] And by kind of, I mean, really, really damning.

[00:06:17] The defendant knew he was an addict, Hines said.

[00:06:21] And then he cited a text message from Hunter where he called himself, quote, a liar and

[00:06:26] a thief as well as a drug user.

[00:06:29] Prosecutors also played portions of the audio book.

[00:06:35] Talking about this, where he describes himself as smoking crack every 20 minutes of every

[00:06:39] day.

[00:06:40] He even described it, which is weird because I thought crack killed you.

[00:06:44] Like that's every 20 minutes every day.

[00:06:51] He even described his ability to find crack cocaine as a quote superpower.

[00:06:59] Which why not?

[00:07:02] Why not work with law enforcement, dude?

[00:07:04] Like you could put your powers to use for good.

[00:07:08] Right.

[00:07:09] You try to try to sniff out all the crack.

[00:07:12] Well, OK, bad.

[00:07:13] All right.

[00:07:14] No, don't do that.

[00:07:15] That would be some of it might get up the anyway.

[00:07:19] No, you smoke it.

[00:07:21] Anyway, several witnesses, including Haley Biden.

[00:07:26] That's his brother's widow.

[00:07:29] So his sister in law with whom he had an affair after.

[00:07:34] Bo Biden died.

[00:07:36] She's going to testify that she saw him smoke crack about every 15 minutes in the months

[00:07:42] before and after the time when he bought the gun.

[00:07:48] Hines then closed his opening statement by noting that while being an addict is not a

[00:07:53] choice, buying a gun is.

[00:07:56] Hunter Biden is not charged with using drugs.

[00:07:59] He is charged with buying a gun and lying on the ATF form.

[00:08:04] Next up, Biden's attorney, Abby Lowell, made his opening statement in which he stressed

[00:08:09] that Hunter didn't knowingly break the law, which right that it speaks to the old axiom

[00:08:17] that ignorance of the law means you're innocent.

[00:08:20] Right.

[00:08:21] That's the old act.

[00:08:22] No, that's not the axiom.

[00:08:23] Oh, it's the opposite.

[00:08:25] Oh, sorry.

[00:08:26] Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

[00:08:28] That's right.

[00:08:29] Sorry.

[00:08:30] But he's going to make this argument now.

[00:08:33] I know people who don't watch a lot of court TV or something may be wondering or true crime

[00:08:38] may be wondering, like, why are you making such a weak argument?

[00:08:43] And here's the reason.

[00:08:44] They don't have another argument.

[00:08:47] That's the problem.

[00:08:49] Sometimes as a defense attorney, you have a case, you have a defendant that is quite

[00:08:53] clearly by overwhelming evidence guilty.

[00:08:59] So all you're trying to do is to get the best outcome you can.

[00:09:03] And in this case, the best outcome is probably going to be a hung jury.

[00:09:08] Right.

[00:09:09] That's that's probably the best outcome.

[00:09:12] Short of that, probably the best outcome.

[00:09:17] Minimal I would say jail time, but maybe probation.

[00:09:21] Right.

[00:09:22] He gets convicted, but you get a very light sentence.

[00:09:25] Those are like your best outcomes that you're working for.

[00:09:29] He said Hunter, this is what Abby Lowell said, quote, Hunter Biden bought a small handgun.

[00:09:35] It was never loaded.

[00:09:36] He never used it.

[00:09:39] So this falls under the constitutional exemption for, quote, small handguns.

[00:09:42] Right.

[00:09:43] That's the exception.

[00:09:44] Oh, it's just a small handgun.

[00:09:46] Why didn't you say so?

[00:09:49] Well, now when you sign that form now, it makes total sense.

[00:09:54] It wasn't like he was buying, you know, something like an AR-15 assault rifle.

[00:10:03] It's just a small handgun.

[00:10:04] That's just a little baby.

[00:10:05] It's a baby gun, little baby gun.

[00:10:07] And he never loaded it and he only had it 11 days.

[00:10:11] The only reason he had it 11 days and not longer was because Hallie, I always want to

[00:10:16] say Hallie Berry, Hallie Biden threw it in a trash can.

[00:10:20] She found it and she threw it in the garbage in a public place like near a school.

[00:10:25] But aside from that, he only had it 11 days, people.

[00:10:28] I don't understand what the big deal is.

[00:10:29] It was a baby gun, just tiny, teeny, weeny little gun.

[00:10:33] See?

[00:10:34] Breaking news from The Washington Times.

[00:10:36] Chairman of three different House committees have sent criminal referrals to the Justice

[00:10:41] Department accusing Hunter Biden and the president's younger brother, James Biden, of lying in congressional

[00:10:49] depositions to hide Joe Biden's involvement in their lucrative business schemes.

[00:10:55] In a letter to Attorney General Merrick Garland and Special Counsel David Weiss, who's prosecuting

[00:10:59] Hunter on the gun and tax crimes, the lawmaker said both Hunter and James gave false statements

[00:11:05] to lawmakers in closed door depositions provided in February.

[00:11:10] And Hunter Biden, they say, also committed perjury.

[00:11:18] The three House panels are overseeing an impeachment probe into Mr. Biden, who they say used the

[00:11:22] vice presidency to help his family, their associates and himself cash in on foreign

[00:11:27] deals that netted them at least thirty five million dollars, including eight million in

[00:11:31] loans.

[00:11:33] The letter was signed by Oversight and Accountability Oversight and Accountability Committee Chairman

[00:11:38] James Comer of Kentucky Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan of Ohio and Ways and Means

[00:11:44] Committee Chairman Jason Smith of Missouri, who led the impeachment probe.

[00:11:54] Later on, OK, it's unlikely Mr. Biden's own Justice Department will pursue prosecutions

[00:11:59] against either family member.

[00:12:00] Mr. Biden has denied any involvement in any of his family's business deals.

[00:12:04] However, the criminal referrals may be the most significant action GOP lawmakers take

[00:12:11] following a months long impeachment probe.

[00:12:13] All right.

[00:12:14] Well, there you go.

[00:12:16] We're going to turn it over.

[00:12:17] Criminal referrals balls in your court now, Garland St.

[00:12:19] Garland.

[00:12:20] Rest is rest in peace.

[00:12:22] No, I'm kidding.

[00:12:24] He's still alive.

[00:12:25] All right.

[00:12:26] So the defense attorney for Hunter Biden named Abby Lowell said in his opening statement

[00:12:33] that Hunter was not an active drug addict when he made the purchase of the gun, although

[00:12:42] he did acknowledge that Hunter was still drinking heavily at the time.

[00:12:46] The veteran defense attorney presented Hunter as a sympathetic case who had become addicted

[00:12:51] to drugs early in his life as a result of the traumas he suffered as a child, losing

[00:12:56] his mother in a car accident that left him with a traumatic brain injury.

[00:13:00] So he's arguing that he has a brain injury.

[00:13:07] Like literally millions of people in this country, Hunter fought addiction.

[00:13:10] Lowell said he has abused alcohol since he was a teenager and drugs since he was an adult.

[00:13:17] Lowell went on to insist that Hunter was not planning to purchase the teeny weeny little

[00:13:22] gun when he entered the sporting goods store on that October day, that October Friday

[00:13:29] in 2018.

[00:13:31] Hunter had instead bought a cell phone right across the street.

[00:13:35] He was merely shopping around when a salesman directed him to the gun section of the store.

[00:13:43] Hang on a second.

[00:13:45] Starquest Shooters and Survival Company.

[00:13:50] Survival Supply rather.

[00:13:51] Starquest Shooters and Survival Supply.

[00:13:54] That was the store he wandered into after buying the cell phone or something.

[00:13:58] Well, he lost his other one.

[00:14:00] He turned it in with the laptop or something.

[00:14:02] No, I don't know.

[00:14:03] But oh, speaking of the laptop.

[00:14:05] So that's actually legit.

[00:14:08] You know how I know?

[00:14:11] They entered it into evidence today or yesterday.

[00:14:15] Now, the Department of Justice entered into evidence Hunter Biden's laptop, the same laptop

[00:14:22] that 51 intelligence officials told us was likely a Russian disinformation op and then

[00:14:29] pressured big tech to suppress the story on social media so people wouldn't report it.

[00:14:36] And the media outlet said it was debunked.

[00:14:38] It was a lie.

[00:14:39] It's not true.

[00:14:40] So Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian disinformation op.

[00:14:45] And they entered it into evidence.

[00:14:47] They said it was legit.

[00:14:48] They had the chain of custody, blah, blah, blah.

[00:14:50] When the DOJ had the laptop for a year prior to the New York Post reporting that then got

[00:14:58] them censored right before the election in 2020.

[00:15:02] They entered it into evidence and they said it's legit.

[00:15:08] And they had the chain of custody the entire time.

[00:15:12] They entered into the store and that's when some salesman named Gordon Cleveland, if you

[00:15:16] can even trust a guy named that.

[00:15:19] He said, well, the sales guy just, you know, sold me the gun.

[00:15:23] I didn't even want it, which OK, to quote the philosopher Chris Rock, nobody sold you

[00:15:29] drugs.

[00:15:30] They offered them to you.

[00:15:31] Same goes for this gun.

[00:15:33] Right.

[00:15:34] Nobody forced you to buy a gun.

[00:15:36] OK.

[00:15:37] They said, hey, look at this.

[00:15:38] Here's a gun.

[00:15:39] Couldn't you see yourself rolling with this 38 Cobra?

[00:15:42] Yeah.

[00:15:43] And he's like, OK.

[00:15:45] By the way, Gordon Cleveland will be called to testify as a witness for the prosecution.

[00:15:51] They will also call a DEA agent to testify about Hunter's use of slang terms such as

[00:15:56] baby powder to refer to cocaine in text messages with his dealer.

[00:16:01] OK, just a word of advice here.

[00:16:06] Maybe use a different term.

[00:16:08] When you're using code in text messages for coke, baby powder, that's a little.

[00:16:17] Nobody's going to believe that you're calling somebody or texting somebody to deliver you

[00:16:22] some baby powder.

[00:16:23] You know, it's also way more letters if you're texting with your thumbs, you know, boo, boo,

[00:16:28] boo, boo.

[00:16:29] It's way too many letters to text than coke.

[00:16:31] It's like four letters.

[00:16:33] Find something else that's, you know, four or five letters long and that, you know, doesn't

[00:16:38] actually resemble cocaine.

[00:16:40] If you're trying to cover that up.

[00:16:41] Right.

[00:16:42] I shouldn't be giving this advice.

[00:16:43] I should not be.

[00:16:44] This is people are going to take that the wrong way.

[00:16:46] Also at the court yesterday, NBC News reported that there was a dramatic confrontation in

[00:16:51] the hallway.

[00:16:52] Hunter's wife, Melissa Biden, shouted at former Trump White House aide Garrett Ziegler, quote,

[00:17:00] She got close to him and said in a loud, emotional voice and gestured towards him, pointing her

[00:17:06] finger at him saying, you have no right to be here.

[00:17:10] You Nazi piece of poop.

[00:17:14] And then she walked away.

[00:17:15] That's entirely normal.

[00:17:19] Actually, he does have a right to be there.

[00:17:21] It being a public courthouse and all, he is totally allowed to be there.

[00:17:24] Over the past few weeks, President Joe Biden, this is from Politico, President Joe Biden

[00:17:29] has grown consumed by worries over the trial of his son, Hunter Biden.

[00:17:34] Joe has long expressed a private guilt to confidants about the spotlight that his career

[00:17:39] has cast on his family.

[00:17:41] He has expressed fear that the trial could lead to his son's incarceration or endanger

[00:17:47] his sobriety.

[00:17:48] So the situation is bad now, but it's going to get worse, according to John Sexton at

[00:17:56] HotAir.com, because Halle Berry, sorry, Halle Biden or Haley Biden, that's Bo Biden's

[00:18:03] widow with whom Hunter then began sleeping with after Bo's death.

[00:18:10] That she's going to testify about having an affair with Hunter and also smoking crack

[00:18:15] with him.

[00:18:16] There will also be testimony from Hunter's ex-wife to whom he owes millions of dollars

[00:18:21] in child support.

[00:18:22] Now, that's the ex-wife.

[00:18:24] That's not the exotic dancer that he fathered the child with.

[00:18:28] He owes her a whole bunch of money, too.

[00:18:30] Different person.

[00:18:31] OK, different person.

[00:18:34] A highly anticipated moment in the trial took place Tuesday afternoon when the prosecution

[00:18:41] introduced Biden's laptop as evidence during the trial.

[00:18:44] Derek Hines, the prosecutor, questioned an FBI special agent, Erika Jensen, on the laptop

[00:18:52] and federal investigators process of a verifying its data in order to prove that the device

[00:18:57] and its contents are, in fact, authentic.

[00:18:59] And then they introduced exhibits from the laptop as evidence at trial.

[00:19:03] Jensen detailed how law enforcement obtained the laptop's hard drive in the fall of 2019,

[00:19:11] a year before the stories ran in The New York Post.

[00:19:15] Hines presented the physical laptop to Jensen.

[00:19:19] She held it up for the entire courtroom to see, causing murmurs among the reporters.

[00:19:23] Murmur, murmur, murmur, murmur, murmur.

[00:19:25] The FBI used forensic tools to extract data from the laptop after obtaining a search warrant.

[00:19:31] And then she explained how they verified it by cross-referencing his iCloud storage accounts

[00:19:38] with the company's, the computer's serial number.

[00:19:41] She was brought into the Biden investigation last fall, got up to speed with all the materials

[00:19:47] Now, you'll recall last year, IRS whistleblower Gary Shapley gave similar testimony before Congress

[00:19:53] on how the laptop was verified.

[00:19:56] And for that, he was vilified by Democrats and media.

[00:20:00] But I repeat myself.

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[00:20:57] Got a message here from Russ on the Twitter machine.

[00:21:00] I lean towards the form 4047...

[00:21:03] Sorry, 4473.

[00:21:05] This is the federal form to buy the gun that Hunter Biden filled out.

[00:21:10] He says, I lean towards the idea that the form is unconstitutional,

[00:21:12] but also I enjoy the schadenfreude...

[00:21:15] Or schadenfreude?

[00:21:17] Whatever.

[00:21:18] Of the younger Biden getting pinched by the policies his father promotes.

[00:21:22] I keep hearing Hunter is being prosecuted for lying on his form 4040...

[00:21:26] Sorry, 4473.

[00:21:28] I don't know why I have a problem saying that.

[00:21:30] For a single Colt revolver that was improperly disposed of in a dumpster near a school

[00:21:34] by his sister-in-law slash brother's widow slash lover.

[00:21:39] Regrettably, I have seen some of the photos and video from his laptop

[00:21:43] that also show him holding at least one, possibly two other black semi-automatic pistols.

[00:21:48] Nowhere have I seen anyone inquiring how those were acquired.

[00:21:54] Yeah, that's a problem.

[00:21:56] For Republicans, they're going to have to pounce or seize or something

[00:22:00] in order to get that ball rolling.

[00:22:04] The defense is claiming that Hunter Biden was not a crack addict

[00:22:10] at the moment of the gun purchase.

[00:22:14] At the moment he bought the gun, he was not addicted to crack.

[00:22:18] Why? Ah, glad you asked.

[00:22:20] Because he had just come out of rehab.

[00:22:23] And so because he was out of rehab, he's no longer an addict.

[00:22:29] Which doesn't really make a lot of sense because once you're an addict, you are an addict.

[00:22:34] But also he was heavily drinking.

[00:22:36] So it wasn't like he was free and clear of all of the intoxicants.

[00:22:42] One other note here.

[00:22:45] So essentially, it's an argument that's like,

[00:22:47] so he wasn't high at the moment he bought the gun.

[00:22:51] He wasn't in the act of lighting the crack pipe

[00:22:55] and inhaling as he signed the form.

[00:22:58] And so therefore, get out of jail free.

[00:23:04] In the middle of his opening statement,

[00:23:06] Abbey Lowell displayed Hunter Biden's resume to the jury

[00:23:10] in order to show all of his accomplishments.

[00:23:15] The resume, however, did not include his lucrative seat

[00:23:19] on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holdings for some reason or another.

[00:23:24] Why would you leave that off of the resume?

[00:23:27] What's up with that?

[00:23:28] Aren't you proud of that service?

[00:23:32] That is, of course, the main subject of the New York Post's reporting

[00:23:36] on the Hunter Biden abandoned laptop story from 2020.

[00:23:44] That was the point.

[00:23:45] That was their story.

[00:23:46] And that was what the DOJ and the intel agencies

[00:23:50] and all of these 51 intelligence officials signed onto the letter

[00:23:54] that was put together by the Biden, now part of the Biden team.

[00:23:59] They circulated the letter, they got it all signed

[00:24:01] and then it got published.

[00:24:02] And then that was used to shut down the spread of the story,

[00:24:06] to censor the New York Post.

[00:24:07] They locked the New York Post's social media accounts

[00:24:11] so they could not send the story.

[00:24:13] I tried this too, by the way.

[00:24:15] You could not even share the link to the article.

[00:24:20] And you'll recall prior to that article's publication,

[00:24:25] within the year prior,

[00:24:27] the intelligence community did these sort of tabletop

[00:24:31] war game exercises with a whole bunch of media people

[00:24:35] at like the Aspen conference.

[00:24:38] And they said, let's just make up a scenario.

[00:24:43] We're just spitballing here.

[00:24:45] But let's just say, just roll with us.

[00:24:49] Let's just say Joe Biden's son Hunter,

[00:24:53] I don't know if you heard of him.

[00:24:55] Let's just say he's got a laptop and it comes public

[00:24:58] and it's got a whole bunch of stuff on there

[00:25:01] that talks about some deals, you know,

[00:25:03] with some foreign governments

[00:25:05] and energy companies and the like.

[00:25:07] Then that's how Russia, they planted this laptop

[00:25:10] and that's how they're going to try to influence the election.

[00:25:12] So what do you do?

[00:25:14] What do you do, tech companies?

[00:25:16] And they were like, oh my gosh, well, that would be bad.

[00:25:18] We don't want Russian interference

[00:25:20] like they did in 2016 in order to get Trump elected over Hillary.

[00:25:23] Because lefties believe that.

[00:25:25] It's not true, but they believe it.

[00:25:27] They believe Russia manipulated the election

[00:25:30] to make Hillary lose.

[00:25:32] It wasn't her stupid stop at the taco place

[00:25:35] with the sunglasses and it wasn't her refusal

[00:25:37] to campaign in Wisconsin

[00:25:39] or the fact that she's just a really unlikable person

[00:25:41] and a terrible candidate.

[00:25:43] No, no, it was the Russians.

[00:25:45] So they seed the field, right?

[00:25:48] They sprinkle the seeds all around.

[00:25:51] They're like, be aware,

[00:25:53] you see a laptop with Hunter Biden's name

[00:25:56] associated with it in like Russia, Ukrainian stuff.

[00:25:59] That's disinformation.

[00:26:01] And then lo and behold, here comes a laptop,

[00:26:03] which of course the DOJ knew about

[00:26:05] because they had the laptop from a year prior.

[00:26:07] I'm sure it's all a complete coincidence.

[00:26:15] Jonathan Turley, he believes that what the defense

[00:26:19] is looking to do here

[00:26:22] to get essentially jury nullification

[00:26:24] where you have one juror who says,

[00:26:26] I don't think these charges should have been brought

[00:26:29] because I don't think the law

[00:26:31] should be in place as it is.

[00:26:33] And so I'm going to hang the jury.

[00:26:36] I'm going to say no on conviction

[00:26:38] because I disagree with the law,

[00:26:40] jury nullification.

[00:26:42] And the judge has already sniffed this out

[00:26:44] and is trying to put the clamps on it.

[00:26:46] We'll see.

[00:26:48] All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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