How Obama framed Trump in 2016 (07-03-2025--Hour2)

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The ICA specifically about Trump Russia collusion from back in twenty sixteen, and according to the review, it said that on December sixth, twenty sixteen, six weeks before his presidency ended, Barack Obama ordered the assessment, which concluded that Russian President Vladimir Putin aspired to help Trump win the election. Okay, However, the review that the CIA has just published said that then CIA Director John Brennan, FBI Director James Comy, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, were excessively involved in its drafting, rushed its completion in a chaotic, atypical, and markedly unconventional process that raises questions of a potential political motive. And we've been going over all of the various details that are now in this report. Now one of the things that that left unclear, and we've got a call from Bain at the end of the last hour asking this question about, you know, whether Obama ordered it or it was like, was it his idea? Was it the Intel chiefs that came to him and asked for the i c A to be done? And I just saw this. This is from Lee Smith, who has written three books about all of this stuff, and I've interviewed him in the past and you can follow him on Twitter Lee Smith DC. He's also got a locals page as well. His His newest book is called Disappearing the President. And so he is now responding to this this c I A review and he says useful details but misses the crucial fact that I have reported in three books. Obama ordered the ICA and by August of twenty sixteen, so that would be six months or so, or well yeah, about five months before ordering the ICA that he knew in August the only intel tying Trump to Russia was the Steele dossier. He says, That's the scandal, not bad trade craft or stove piping the intel, et cetera, et cetera. It is that Obama framed Trump. That's the scandal. According to Lee Smith, there was only one meeting at which the intelligence community analysts could coordinate before this thing got published. This ICA got published. But the day before the meeting, John Brennan sent a note to the CIA workforce saying he had already met with James Clapper and Jim and that quote, there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our recent presidential election. So we told his staffers, we already, we already have an idea of what happened. So just like, finish your report. The two senior leaders of the CIA Mission Center responsible for Russia argued jointly against including the line the judgment that Putin aspired to help Trump win. They couldn't prove that they had no evidence of that. In an email to Brennan on December thirtieth, they stated, these two senior leaders that are responsible for the mission center regarding Russia, so these are the experts. They sent an email to Brennan saying the judgment should be removed because it was both weekly supported and unnecessary given the strengthen logic of the papers other findings on intent. They warned that including it would open up a line of very politicized inquiry. It remained. They kept it in because that was the point. Ratcliffe points to the inclusion of the Steele dossier as a sign that it was a politically corrupted document. He says that the career professionals at the CIA who did this review that's now been published are quote, just appalled. He drew the comparison between the bogus Ica and the cover up of the Hunter Biden laptop by fifty one former Intel officials who falsely claimed before the twenty twenty election that this was Russian disinformation. He said, the comparison would be the Hunter Biden laptop. It's the same people. In the Hunter Biden case, it's we've got to lie to win the election, and in this case with Trump, it was we failed to influence the election, and after we failed, we're going to handicap the president so we can win the next election by polluting the Well, they were trying to ruin the presidency after the fact, and they would have gotten away with it too, Right, but for Hunter Biden on the laptop story. But for him leaving that laptop in a shop someplace in Delaware, right, we would not have known. All right, let me go over and get Tim on. Hello, Tim, welcome to the show. Hey, good afternoon, Good afternoon. How are you pretty good? You know, I'm just tired of listening to this stuff all the time and no results from Barack Obama all the way to today. The other side are nothing but traders, low lives, and liars and that's all they are. And they're glad to tell you they are. And do we have any judges that aren't cowards? Yeah? I believe so. Well, how can we don't hear from them judges? Yes? Well, I mean judges don't usually like what do you mean, hear from them because they don't usually come out and make pronouncements on things like they do. Unless they're a Democrat judge against my president, then you hear from them every week. Well, are you talking about rulings? I'm just talking about it generally speaking, and like all these judges under injunctions, Yeah. Those are rulings. So it's not like I mean, they're not going out given speeches that would be right, right, so, because then they would be removed from cases and stuff. So, right, You've got a handful of these judges that are doing these injunctions and then they got smacked down by the Supreme Court. Although I now see somebody another judge, I think it's actually a Republican appointment who just did another one through the very loophole that sam Alito noted a judge could exploit. And so a judge has already exploited that pophols and now the Supreme Court's gonna have to smack them, Uh, smack that down as well. I guess you know what what what needs to happen now? Our charges need to be brought. There need to be charges brought against uh Coy, Jim Comey and John Brennan and James Clapper. And Barack Obama and hideous Hillary and on and on and on. Yeah. I mean, if you can charge them with if you can prove the wrongdoing, if you can prove that that they've committed a crime, and the CIA seems like the CIA review seems like there's a pretty good indication that they can probably find a crime. So I think that would be the next step. Well, you know, we're tired of waiting because that's. On the Obama or that's on the Trump administration to do right, the dj would have to bring that Pam BONDI would have to bring charges or cash Betel or somebody. Well, I appreciate that, and I understand that. I just I'm just making a point that this side, the Republican side, is dragging their feet getting it done. They've done nothing, I think because they don't want to do anything. When when Hussein Obama was in office, when Joe Biden was in office, they failed to want to do anything. When they had they have the doors open, they should have done stuff to fight back, but they didn't. And that's that's all I'm saying. I just think that the other side is far more enthusiastic about their points than we are. We just are afraid. I don't that, Tim, I don't know. Like we've got We've got the Trump big beautiful bill that's making its way through Congress. Right. All of the Republicans are falling in line for that. I mean, we the Republicans control the House and the Senate and the Presidency. You've got a six to three majority on the Supreme Court. Like, I don't think. I don't think Democrats are racking up tons of wins right now. Well right, I'm just saying, maybe maybe look at the glass as not completely empty. Maybe you know, it could be it could be ha empty, and you know, maybe someday you can view it as half full. But like baby steps here, So I don't think it's an empty glass. I think, you know, because the Democrats say the same thing. Democrats say the exact same thing you just said. They say the same thing about Republicans. They think the Republicans are just you know, are just bulldozing over all of them all the time, and they're all coded, the Republicans are all coordinated. They always they lie about all this stuff. And yeah, they say the same thing. Well, anybody with half a brain knows that they're lying. And look, they say the same thing. That's my point though, they say the exact same thing. So you know, something from an old school okay, and you may not like it. If I was in Congress, would I kick the living snot out of a bunch of those Democrats gone to jail and got right back out and done it again. And do you think that would be you think, yeah, you think that would be helpful. Oh I do for what? Well, back in the old days, long as you know, they used to cane the crap buy them when they didn't like each other. They happened once. Yea, that happened once. I think it would, you know, I think it would. I think it'd help out because they don't have any fear of anything, and they make Americans go around in fear with all this craft in the streets, thinking pared of being bulldozed. Its some pop problem. They say the same thing, and that's how they justified this. That's how they justified this action and others against Donald Trump. That's exactly the same thing they said. That's why I'm urging you to to to change course on this line of thinking, because when you start thinking like that, you then begin to justify almost any kind of bad behavior you wish to engage in. That's what the left has done with their whole resistance. And he's literally Hitler and fascism and democracy and all of that. When you give yourself the permission structure to engage in bad acts because you feel it's justified. Right. If everybody were to live by that, we would not have a function in society. And the left has shown us this is where it takes them, this is where it took them and us. And I'm urging you and everybody on the right as well as on the left, to not view these things as you're viewing them, because that's what you're I fear that's what you're going to do for yourself is create yourself a permission structure like you just did to say I'm going to go around beating people up like that's not helpful. And I completely disavow that approach, but I appreciate the call. Tim. I just would urge, you know, put down the black pills. That's what it's called black pilling. It's basically like all is lost and what's the point of anything anymore. You've heard of red pill, the blue pill. You know, you get red pilled and you wake up from the matrix. But there's also black pilling where you become basically a nihilist. And I am not in that camp. I do not advocate going down that path. It is destruct all right. If you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app and it's a website and it combines news from around the world in one place so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, dot news slash pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. 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I have to admit I may have seen like two minutes of Leave It to Beaver in my entire life. It just, you know. And I'm not picking on Trump because I voted for him twice and I don't disagree. I'm not even talking about his policies. I think his policies regardless of what I think of him, I think he has America's best interests in mind. I agree with that. But I saw this little bromance between him and Elon Musk. I saw this going south the minute it started. Yeah, there's no way that these two egotistical billionaires were going to get along for any period of time. And my wife's like, now they both agree on everything. You wait and. See now, And I'm with you. I thought the same thing. And yeah, and right like you saw it coming, even though you didn't say it because you didn't have any proof. I didn't either, but I said it to my wife. So I mean, I think I said it on the air. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, No, I think I said it on the air. I was like, i'd say it on the No, I think I did. I was like, I don't see these two guys being able to get along for a long time, but we'll take it while it's while it's good. Yeah, but you know, now it's turning into a blank throwing contest, you know what I mean, Like, like, these guys are really going at it, and I don't know. I think I think Musk could do some damage if he really wanted to, if he wanted to start funding let's say, bad characters to take all office, which I think is what he's planning to do. I think he's got you know, he's the richest man in the world. I think he can actually achieve that. Well, let's let's say this. Let me say this that and I have not covered all of the fighting between Musk and Trump because it's to me, it's like I don't really care. It doesn't matter to me. Okay, they have their personalities and they're in conflict whatever. But to your point that this could have larger implications is that, first off, Elon Musk is brilliant, and he's obviously the richest guy in the world, but that doesn't make him brilliant at politics. In fact, from what I've seen with his behavior, he's not particularly good at politics. Trump, on the other hand, is good at politics, and I think that's because. Well, you've got your personality the richest man in the world and the most powerful man in the world, and there's a distinction between those two. Sure, sure, so can can Elon Musk fund campaigns and try to primary a bunch of republiclkins, Yeah he could. We'll see what happens. But that means he's going to have to vet candidates and do all of that. And like I just said, he's not particularly adept at playing the political game. Now, that doesn't mean he can't learn. I just I don't know if he has the interest or desire to do that. But you know, we'll see, you know, because I don't know, And I think that these guys like Trump will forgive people that they get into fights and then they make up. I mean, he's got a bunch of them around him. I mean, he's got Marco Rubio doing like seventeen jobs and they had a really nasty fight, you know, during the primary in twenty fifteen. So you know, Trump will welcome him back into the good graces at some point. If Elon wants to be back in the good graces and you know whatever, we'll see what happens. So, but Matt, I appreciate the call. Man heik, great show, Thanks sir, Take care, have a great weekend, Happy Independence Day. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Ashville is your connection. 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And in this case regarding the Trump Russia collusion lie that they fabricated and then they ran through this Intelligence community assessment process that was compressed down to like two weeks. It was manipulated, it was kept away from thirteen of the seventeen Intel agencies for review or participation, and it was managed by directly Jim Comey, James Clapper, and John Brennan. So like I see people saying, oh, we already knew all of this stuff. But yeah, but now like the CIA has put out this review tracing the origins, there is no longer any doubt. And now I want to see something come of this. I want to see something come of this, because otherwise why else would you do this review. Let me get to some emails. This is from Bob who says, I enjoy your show. You do a great job informing your audience. Keep up the good work, and he also really likes the Bump tunes. Okay, well, thank you, Bob. I appreciate that. This is from Dennis, who says the story about the finding of Obama comy Brennan Clapper twenty sixteen, which hunt against Trump, just reconfirms the axiom that whatever they accused Trump of doing was exactly what they were guilty of the entire time. That is called the woke sorry, the iron law of woke projection. They are guilty of that which they accuse you, John says, seems to me that there is enough traceability to bring legal action against many. I wonder if anybody will ever pay for this though, have a great vacation, Thank you, sir. Let me go over and get to the WBT text line driven by Liberty Buick GMC. This is from Joseph, who says, regarding Tim's call from earlier in the hour, his frustration is understandable. Bannon, Navarro and a few thousand protesters spend time in jail, while the worst that's happened to any Russia hoaxer is a half assed law license suspension. We want revenge and look, and I get that. What I was trying to convey to Tim was to get off of the course of nihilism, the belief that values are baseless, nothing can be known or communicated. According to you know, the philosophy, It's often associated with extreme pessimism, a radical skepticism that condemns existence. A true nihilist believes in nothing, has no loyalties. And I'm not saying that, but like this is part of that path. And you know, in Nietzsche, the philosopher wrote about this and explored nihilism and its implications for civilization. He predicted that nihilism's impact on the culture and the values of the twentieth century has been pervasive. Apocalypse tenor that spawns a mood of gloom, a good deal of anxiety, anger and terror. So it's like it's just it's not a healthy path for a society to to proceed down. That's that's what I was just urging Tim about. I understand the anger and frustration, absolutely completely agree, But but you don't want to lose the civilization in the process. Right, Yes, punishment and justice, but off the path of nihilism. Let me go over to JR. Here, Hello, Jr. Welcome to the show. Oh thanks, Yeah about Alon, isn't there? His beaf with Trump is too much spending? Yes, okay, So why are Republicans worried? I mean if he will go to Democrats, I mean not likely, not likely, And he's getting and he's getting mad at the Freedom Caucus like Ralph. Now I know Ralph Norman, and I know he's not crazy about this bill, but he's voting for it. He would he is a budget hawk and wet let's see the guts. He understands as I do that one day it's going to come crashing down. And I think that's what Elon sees. I mean, it's Elon's smart. We need a hundred more Ralph Norman. We need a hundred more guys that are budget hawks, not what we have now is like maybe fifty. And you have to also run it through a process that allows you to make these cuts and do them permanently. Right, that's the problem with the doing it the way they're doing it through this you know the the I forget what the process is called now, but they're they're running it through this process that is not conducive to a budget process. Right, They're not in regular order. They haven't done a budget in like I don't even know how long, fifty years or something. That's what they need to get back to. And that's where you would actually codify the cuts and the program changes and the and the dissolving of entire departments and stuff like. That's what Congress needs to do. And so I totally understand Elon's frustration with that. He basically did a speed run through the entire Republican conservative experience right where you're like, oh, yes, this is awesome, and then it's like, oh my gosh, this is terrible, and then it's like vote them all out right. It's he just did it in a very compressed timeline. Most of us took about, you know, a couple of years to run through that. Ye guy, he'll figure it out. Yeah, I just. You know, I you know, I'm not worried about him going and sending billions to support Democrats, is there. I mean, they spend more than anybody. Yeah, I hear you JR. Thanks for the call, man, I appreciate it. You know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past. While transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life and our stories are told through images and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video. Started in nineteen ninety seven and Mint Hill, North Carolina. It was the first company to provide this valuable service, converting images, photos and videos into high quality produced slide shows, videos and albums. The trusted, talented and dedicated team at Creative Video will go over all of the details with you to create a perfect project. Satisfaction guaranteed. Drop them off in person or mail them. 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The report from the CIA, this review, and this is why it's like, I understand there are people that they're downplaying it, They're minimizing this, this report from the CIA that we've you know, been I've been bringing in the details on it now, you know, for the first hour and now into the second hour. I was going to move on. But it's fine. So the the there is a sentiment that we already knew a lot of this stuff. People had, you know, journalists had you know, had reported on some of this stuff and wrote books about it. I mentioned Lee Smith and he's written books about it, and other reporters are saying the same thing, like, oh, I did all of this work, and you know I reported on all of this before. And part of that I think is, you know, hey, I have a book. You can buy my book and a little bit of is maybe ego, like I was telling you all of this two years ago and nobody you know, was listening to me or whatever. But I look at it as this CIA report. I look at it as confirmation, validation for the journalists that did this work for so long and did not have you know, uh, wide distribution of their product because of the scandalous nature of the content. Right, So this is validation for them, and I would encourage people to see it in that light. And now you can actually cite the CIA report. And there are people to this day, basically half of all Democrats still believe the Trump Russia collusion hoax. They believe that it's not a hoax. They believe it's true and it's not and it never was. And the people at the CIA that pushed this hoax knew it wasn't true and developed a fake intelligence community assessment, this ICA that they then used to convince Americans of something that was not true. But here's the thing, And I played the audio from Yuri Besmanov, the KGB defector from the seventies and eighties. I played audio from HA the other day about the demoralization psychological operation that the Soviets were running the communists, the communists, the world Communist project runs on, and it's this demoralization, and it's the point is to demoralize a people so they will not even defend themselves or their country, because what's it all for? Who cares? Everything? Stings? We'd oppressors, you know whatever. It takes many different forms, right, the issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution. So I just I want people to maybe look at things a little bit on the brighter side of things. I can't believe I am saying that, but it's true. It's it's difficult. Limboy used to talk about this all the time, that it You know, the natural default position for people or mentality is pessimism because it's a in large parts, it's a survival technique. Right, If you assume bad things are going to happen, you'll be better prepared for them when they do. And that kind of thinking can save your life sometimes. But you have to choose to be more positive and so like this in this example, it's yes, like I'm mad at the corruption, I'm mad at these these intel chiefs, I'm mad at Obama. I'm yes, I'm mad at the media that helped advance this narrative. Absolutely, I want there to be punishment. But the bright side of this report is that we have the confirmation of the things that we believed to be true based on, you know, the pieces of evidence that we had collected and other journalists had collected and advanced. Now it's like this is further confirmation that we weren't crazy, that this actually was a conspiracy. Herriage reports on this report that it concludes that in twenty sixteen, then CIA Director John Brennan and others rushed the Russia election interference intelligence assessment. Brennan dismissed high level warnings that the Clinton campaign OPO research the Steele dossier did not meet intelligence collection standards and risked credibility. Handling of the Steele dossier was highly irregular and limit and of limited analytic rigor. Media leaks reinforced the narrative with high confidence, the high confidence narrative that Russia intervened to help Trump again. Half a Democrats still believe this. Two senior leaders of the CIA Mission Center responsible for Russia strongly opposed including the Steele dossier, saying it did not meet even the most basic tradecraft standards meaning collection methods, techniques, and operations, and that John Brennan, the head of the CIA, formerly a communist by the way, showed a preference for narrative consistency over analytical soundness. Brennan ultimately formalized his position in writing stating quote, my bottom line is that I believe that the information warrants inclusion in the report. See this is what happens. This is Trump derangement syndrome. But this is what happens when you hyperboleze and catastrophize your political opponent into the second coming of Hitler. You give yourself permission to engage in all of this kind of activity because you're saving democracy. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecallanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.