How many 10-point proposals did Iran draft?! | Hour 2

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He was getting ready to board the jet and he did a quick like twelve thirteen minute Q and A with reporters before he got on board. And so he addresses some of this stuff. For example, he says, this is regarding why there are you know, why is Iran saying things are in the ten point proposal that America had previously said, we rejected these ten points. They were not they were maximalists, they were non starters. And so then why is Iran talking about these ten points and what's in them? And you know versus you know what's been reported. And here was his explanation. Basically, it was that there were multiple ten point proposals from Iran. I think it's very important for the American media to be honest with the American people on this particular issue because it affects not just you know, the normal. Issues of public policy, it actually affects peace and war. Here's what I mean. So, in the past couple of days, I've seen a lot of reporting from the American media about the ten point proposal that the Iranians have made. Now, as I know, because I've been involved in this, there are three different ten point proposals at least that I've seen floating around. The first ten point proposal was something that was submitted. And we think, frankly was probably written by Chat GPT that was submitted to Steve Whitcoff and Jared Kushner that immediately went in the garbage and was rejected. There was a second ten point proposal that was much more reasonable, that was based on some back and forth between us, between the Pakistanis and between the Iranians. That is the ten point proposal that the President was referencing in his truth yesterday. And then, frankly, I've seen a third ten point proposal that's even more maximalist than the first ten point parm that's been floating around various social media channels now here. Here's what's interesting about all this is that I've seen various organs in New York Times, CNN, others pick up and run the original ten point proposal based on little more than a random Yahoo in Iran, submitting it to public access television in the country of Iran, and then them saying that somehow represents the negotiating position of the government. It's the equivalent of somebody in let's say, a Democratic councilman in Boise, Idaho, saying something crazy, the local public access TV picking up that crazy statement, and then the New York Times running that as the position of the President of the United States. It doesn't make an ounce of sense. What's happening on the ground in Iran is that you have clearly the position of the government, which is to negotiate with the United States of America. You have the position of the President of United. States, which is to send the negotiators to Pakistan and. Engage in this good faith negotiation. And then yes, you have some crazy people at the fringes of the Iranian system who are leaking anonymously, either for propaganda purposes or because they're embarrassed, or because they don't like what happened. And the final point, when I say they don't like what happened, what we know is that the United States accomplished its military objectives. What we know is the United States could have imposed significant additional military and economic costs in Iran and still has the. Capacity to do so. But we think, thankfully at this point, I think have a ceasefire thanks to the leadership of the President of United States. We have the Iranians promising to open the straits of poor Moves, and we have a negotiation that's supposed to start this weekend. That's the truth. I think it's a good first step. We're going to see if we can make more progress here in the day's toc com think you can, all. Right, so multiple ten point proposals. Donald Trump put out a truth social post about this also last night around ten pm. He says the failing New York Times and fake news CNN each reported a totally faked ten point plan on the Iran negotiations, which was meant to discredit the people involved in the peace process. All ten points were a made up hoax. Evil losers, make America great again. So again I mentioned this last hour. We have to maybe think in different terms about the Iranian government being like a single functioning government. It may not be any longer. It doesn't appear to be. There are factions. They're like maybe dozens of factions, and not all of them want peace. Not all of them are gonna be interested in negotiating anything, and so they are being pitted against each other. They have competing interests. They have financial incentives, power incentives, safety incentives. Right if the government falls, the worst abusers are probably gonna meet death at the hands of the Iranian people soon. I mentioned yesterday that the the Prince, the the exiled son of the last Shah of Iran. This guy's name is Reza pa La. Vi, and he was he did a he put out an address to the people of Iran. He has been doing this pretty regularly, but he did he did another one last night. And I was thinking, like, did we suspend the air campaign under the the you know this uh, this ruse of a ceasefire, because like it didn't seem like who's doing the ceasefire? And Iran's like, we're not doing ceasefires. And like, are we just like stopping the air campaign in order to give the Iranian people maximum ability to you know, take to the streets overthrow their government. Not sure, doesn't appear to be the case, because Paula Vi once again told the people to remain patient. This is what Donald Trump has said, this is what Benjamintanyahu said. Right there will be a moment where you will be empowered. You will have a chance to take back your liberty. I mean, that's the thing. If you want liberty, you have to take it. We can't do this for you. We are not going in there with all the ground troops. This is not a raq this is not Afghanistan. You've demonstrated repeatedly for years that you want this Islamic colonizing regime gone. This is your chance to do so. The boots on the ground will be Iranians. So how do you do that? Probably need some weapons. Well, we heard the other day Trump said that they had sent weapons, but apparently they sent them reportedly through the Koords. And then Trump said that he was not happy that the people who were post to hand off the weapons just kept them. Okay, well what if they didn't, right, What if that's a lie? What if the Kurds did in fact hand off the weapons. Why would Trump lie? Then? Maybe? So this way the Iranians don't know that there are a whole bunch of people in various areas that are now armed. Also, Paula V issued a direct and pointed challenge to the Iranian National military this week. They are different than the IRGC. Okay, the IRGC is sort of the internal security forces. They work for the Mullahs. The national Army different and so he is now calling on soldiers to break ranks with current leadership. In a series of statements shared on social media, Paula V called for the regular armed forces to step forward and protect the Iranian people from the ir G. He characterized the current regime as occupiers who are driven by a destructive and apocalyptic madness that has pushed the nation toward a total collapse. He targeted the tension that already exists between the traditional national army and the IRGC. He said, how have you closed your eyes to these realities and withdrawn from your duty to defend the nation and the people. How will history and future generations of Iran judge you. Paula Vie, who has previously expressed a willingness to serve as a transitional leader should the current regime fall, frame the situation as a final opportunity for the military to reclaim its professional honor. He called on the Iranian public to put pressure on the military, asking citizens to demand that the army fulfill its national role before it's too late, stand together with the nation and save Iran. He acknowledged the reports of the cease fire and said that this should not be seen as a setback for the Iranian people. He claimed that recent developments had significantly damaged Deron's military and security leadership, including senior commanders across the IRGC, the besiege and intelligence services, while saying that the state's command and control system had been paralyzed. He says, await the decisive moment, Remain vigilant. 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I use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature your subscription. Then not only helps my podcast, but it also supports ground news as they make the media landscape more transparent. Let me jump over to the text line here and read what you've been writing, Jim says, Pete. The British Navy is not even really a coastguard anymore. That Russian tanker going through the English Channel with a military escort shows that the Royal Navy shadowed them, but with a tanker. Oh my gosh, that's even worse. Jefferson says. That's why we need greenland. The North Sea is wide open to keep choke points open for NATO. Also, Southeast Asia country started gasoline rationing and were instructed to work from home for their people. They don't have the resources to help keep the Gulf open. Yeah, this is the problem. Like, if you guys are so reliant on imports through dangerous territories, then maybe you need to contribute to the safety of those vital choke points. You know, I don't know what the hell in your time to rename the thing, oh oh hormones the Strait of America, we could call it, uh seven oh four number says I served on various mind sweepers from eighty six through ninety five. As a sonar technician, we're the ones who would hunt, find and neutralize the mines. The last mind sweeper to actually work in a live minefield was the USS Guardian in nineteen nine ninety two. I served on the Guardian during Desert Storm. None of these MCMs remain in the fleet today. To my knowledge, we don't have a proven mind countermeasureship available. Only the airborne platforms from the MHC helicopters enjoyers show daily. Thanks. Yeah, they I saw a report that they had they had taken offline the last mind sweepers like in I think last year or something, and so like, we may not have the capability to do those old mind sweeping operations or is there some other tech that they have right? But again, like all indications to me are that the Trump administration is on purpose not moving to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. I do not believe that we are incapable of reopening it if we wanted to. I believe we could. The quest is when do we do it? And do we try to get others involved? And Trump has repeated he said it with NATO, He's been saying it with the Gulf countries like You guys have to step up and secure yourselves. You cannot rely on us to do all of these things for you all over the world. Steve says, one story says iron has four hundred pounds of uranium, and another story says Iran has one thousand pounds. Which is it? It is? The numbers I saw were like four hundred and forty kilograms of your sixty percent enriched uranium. And there is no reason to enrich uranium to that level. The only reason you're at sixty percent is because you're trying to get to ninety percent, and that's like a two week process. And so they have it at sixty percent, and they bred to Witkof and Kushner about it. And that's u and that's enough for eleven missiles, and they have the ballistic missiles. They could strap this material onto any kind of you know, ordinance and deliver a radiological bomb. Seven oh four number says, I hope you are right in your suspicions that something else is going on, but as of right now, with what is known, this whole thing is making America look like a joke. I disagree. I disagree. I look at the I look at what we just accomplished in five weeks. And I understand the difference between you know, tactical versus strategic, and so what is the strategic end game? But the tactical side there is like we sliced through all of their air defenses, took them all down. They have nothing left for air defenses? Are are f fifteen that was shot down? That was that was a man pad right, that was like some guy with an RPG on his shoulder. So like all of the systems that countries have purchased from Russia and China are worthless, and every country that bought it knows it. Russia and China know it too. We have we've taken out more than fifty of the IRGC leadership. We've made the we've we've created an environment that may be most conducive to the Iranian people finally overthrowing this regime. Right, they Israel has once again decapitated Hesbela. They're blowing up all of their stuff in southern Lebanon, and now they're in talks Lebanon the government of Lebanon who may actually finally step up and fight with Israel against Hesbolah. Right, there was a reordering going on of the ally of the alliances in the Middle East, and they're all tar marketing this Shia doomsday death cult ideology, which is a good thing that hopefully it creates greater stability. But I don't know. We're gonna have to wait and see. I was told I said that too much yesterday. You know, stories are powerful. 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Now on whether or not the Israeli actions in Lebanon should stop before any talks between the US and Iran jd Vance was asked. About this on the tarmac last night. I actually think and there's a lot of bad faith negotiation and a lot of bad faith, you. Know, propaganda going on. I think this comes from a legitimate misunderstanding. I think the Iranians thought that the ceasefire included Lebanon, and it just didn't. We never made that promise, We never indicated that was going to. Be the case. What we said is that the ceasefire would be focused on Iran, and the ceasefire would be focused on America's allies, both Israel and the Golf are of states. Now that said, the Israelis, as I understand it again, I'm supposed to get a fuller report when I get on the plane, have actually offered to be frankly, to check themselves a little bit in Lebanon because they want to make sure. That our negotiation is successful. That's not because that is part of the ceasefire. I think that's the Israelis try to set up us up for success. And we'll, of course see how that unfolds in the next few days. But look, if Iran wants to lead this negotiation fall apart in a conflict where they were getting hammered over Lebanon. Which has nothing to do with them. And which the United States never once said was part of the ceasefire. That's ultimately their choice. We think that would be dumb, but that's their choice. Mm hmm. But it also, you know, proves the point that hasbala is their proxy army that has colonized Lebanon in order to attack Israel, just like Hamas was is and the Houties, right, these armies that they support militarily and train and fund and everything else, they've. Always said, oh no, no, that's not us. So this way, like their hands wouldn't be you know, dirty, like, oh we didn't do that, that wasn't us. Then he was asked, when will the Iranians stop blocking the Strait of Hormuz. The deal is a ceasefire, a negotiation. That's what we give and what they give is the straits are going to be reopened. If we don't see that happening, the president is not going to abide by our terms if the Iranians are not abiding by their terms. Fair enough? Is the threat? He was asked, this was a direct question from a reporter. Is the threat to wipe the Iranian civilization off the map, still on the table, and is it fair to keep ninety million Iranians under that threat for the actions of their leaders. Well, look, the leadership is really to blame for the condition of the country in Iran. The President of the United States has made very clear that the United States has a lot of leverage here. We have economic leverage, we've got military leverage. What he's trying to do. Is make sure the American people are safe and strike a deal that's good for the American people. I just look, I encourage the Iranians to come to the table. Seriously, we've seen. Some signs that they're gonna do that. We've seen some signs of bravado. Fundamentally, weren't a good spot. They're reopening the straits, we have a ceasefire, and frankly, if they break their into the bargain, then they're going to see some serious consequences. Wiping them off the map. It's different than an economic leverage or military leverage. Why is that kind of language useful in this kind of scenario. Well, again, the President of the United States is saying that unless the Iranians do the right thing, he is going to have some serious consequences for the regime. We obviously don't want the people of Iran to suffer, but we have a lot of leverage the. President United States could use. And it's why I. Think it's so important for the Iranians to be negotiators in good faith. So on the text line, Jeff says, it's hard to secure your freedom from a tyrannical regime without weapons. Our forefathers understood this, and so do the Iranians, and I think so too does the US administration. A guy named or maybe it's a female, Zeneb Riboa, I've read from their work before. Research fellow at the Hudson Institute Center for Peace and Security in the Middle East wrote an op ed at The New York Post titled all the pieces are lining up for regime change in Iran, and by that doesn't necessarily mean an invasion, a decapitation strike, a new flag over the capitol that was Iraq and Afghanistan, where American power underwrote both the military campaign and the political reconstruction that followed. Iran is a different problem, and Trump is running a different playbook. See I hear so many people Inevitably they're always of the same mindset that America is losing this, and they seem to be arguing everything as if this is the Iraq War and it's not so. Iran's survival depends on three pillars, the ideology, the patronage network, and a coercive apparatus right to bring a system like that down. All three must fall or fail simultaneously. Iran was already decomposing before this operation began. Regionally, the regime had been losing its grip for two years after the humiliating Hesbalah Pager attack in twenty twenty four, the Twelve Day War last year that exposed its hollow air defenses. The deterrent Tehran spent decades building turned out to be largely performative at home. The economy had already collapsed after the sanctions cut off Iran from the global financial system. When the government announced plans for a steep tax increase widely understood to fund the ir GC, the Iranians erupted and they took to the streets. Revolutionary systems, like the Islamo Marxist regime in Iran, they survive by continuously reproducing their founding idea across generations and the Islamic Republic has lost that capacity. The coercei of apparatus was already weakening because the ideology had failed. So the US and Israel struck a regime already coming apart. And that's why I say it's fractured and the rifts are growing larger. 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So the first crisis is legitimacy. When the IRGC chose the Nepo baby to be the new Ayatola to succeed his father, it violated the Islamic Republic's own founding principles, which bar hereditary succession. A regime built on rejecting dynastic rule reached for a dynasty the moment it came under real pressure. So that's a crisis of Legitimacynumber two crisis regional isolation. The whole Arab street mobilization that Aron long counted on never materialized, and in fact, Arab states that once tolerated to Iran's reach are now coordinating with Trump to eliminate the threat. By the way, you know, it's not mentioned in their ten point proposal Palestine. It's almost as if they don't really care about that issue. Maybe they were just using it. Trump does not need a deal to persuade the IRGC that its regional ambitions have been amputated. He is making that a reality before their eyes without American boots on the ground, while keeping that option visibly on the table. Meanwhile, the regime has waged an information warfare campaign seeking to project resilience and shape perceptions of the damage. And it is succeeding in pushing its narrative in Western mainstream media because they don't want Trump to succeed, or they are of a mind that the American project and Western civilization is not worthy to be at the station it is, and so good, we're going to lose. We're not a force for good. We're not doing anything beneficial for anybody but ourselves. Like this is like, this is the whole black pill sector of a podcast is stand American? I'm sorry it succeeded in pushing the narrative in Western mainstream media, but the targeting record tells a different story. American and Israeli strikes have reached the core of the IRGC's command and control structure, and no volume of social media output changes what those commanders can no longer do. A third front may prove the most consequential, and that is the Iranian people. The regime has maintained a full Internet shutdown, showing that its leaders understand information travels faster than bomb. The US must close every remaining corridor of IRGC survival. That's financial pressure, that's the most effective instrument, and Washington should directly pressure the UA to shut down the shadow banking infrastructure in Dubai that has long allowed the IRGC to circumvent sanctions, and the boots on the ground have got to be Iranian boots. Trump has a window, and windows close. The pressure and precision that brought Iran to this point must now be sustained long enough to make the coming popular uprising irreversible. Right liberty is achieved by those willing to win it, to fight for it, and Iranians are going to have to do that themselves. On the text line, here's Dean again. We have lost focus. There you go, the Pannikins, the black pills, and Dean, this is what's so frustrating. It's like, after all of the information I've been providing to. You, and this is what he says. The purpose of this war was to remove their nuclear capabilities and kill the leaders behind it all. No, that was not the objectives. I've gone over this. I don't even know how many times I can't. How is it you still don't know the objectives. It was destroy their nuclear capabilities. It was to eliminate their ballistic missiles and drone production lines and stockpiles. So they cannot project power outside of their borders. And it was to destroy their air force and their navy. Those are the objectives. The objective was not to kill all the leaders. That was Israel's objective. Israel was like, we want regime change. So he says, job done, we achieved our objective. What now, how do you ever eliminate a person's ideology? Lobotomies, No, that's why you hope that the Iranian people rise up against them and overthrow the colonizing. Islamist And then he says, it's all about power. The US will not be happy until any until everyone acknowledges Trump in America to be their hero. See this is you gotta stop looking at everything through a lens of Trump derangement syndrome. Okay, the elimination of the Islamic Republic regime has been something that every single president has said, they can't get nukes, right, we don't want them in power anymore. Fifty years. This has been the posture of America, like. I'm just I'm at the point where I'm done, Dean, I'm done. With you. All right. That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to dpecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.