Hot takes on the debate (09-11-2024--Hour1)

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me start by just saying something that should be obvious you've heard me say it before.

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It should be obvious but different things can be true at the same time.

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Different things can be true at the same time.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So if I were to say, you know, it's daytime, I could also say it's raining and both of those things would be true.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: If it was raining, it's not raining actually right now.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So why do I start with that? Well, because in the world of debate analysis, different things can be true.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to pick one or the other, unless you are going to say Donald Trump won the debate and Kamala Harris lost the debate or vice versa.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Then yes, then you have to pick one of those two options.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I rarely can I recall a debate that somebody quote one.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't look at debates like that.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't watch debates like that.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think a lot of people do either.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I think people watch for zingers.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: They want to learn a little bit more.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's okay. Also, we need to differentiate who it is that is doing the watching of the debate because the chattering class or the politically engaged or the people who are barely aware that it's an election year at all right.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Different people are watching the debates and coming from different knowledge bases right.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: The chattering class usually has some sort of an interest in convincing you that their opinion is correct.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever that is, whether it's financial interest for themselves or this way they keep getting the talking head gigs on the networks or something.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe they're working for a campaign or maybe they just want people to read their stuff on their,

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: on their newspapers website, whatever it is or listen to their podcast or their show right and so they want to.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: They want to convince you that they know what they're talking about and they're making predictions and stuff and so they have an interest in convincing you.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I do not have an interest in convincing you of what you saw or what you're going to hear in the sound bites.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to convince you.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to tell you what, what I saw, what I thought about it and I'm not trying to persuade people to agree with me.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I've said this before but I don't care if people agree with me.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter to me.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. If I see something, I'm watching a debate.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I see, for example, Kamala Harris with her, what I thought to be was sort of over the top animations that she was affecting.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: If you didn't see it like that, yeah, that's fine.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care. You don't have to see it like I saw it.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I know what I saw. I interpreted it that way.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Now if you have a different opinion, you want to state that opinion. That's fine.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it does persuade me that, okay. Well, that was a different.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see it like that but I could understand why you did or you know what? I didn't see it like that and maybe you're right.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I say, maybe that was the way that she was acting for a particular reason or whatever.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the way it looked to me. For example, her voice at the beginning of the debate, I thought,

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and I've watched a lot of her speeches. I've heard a lot of her sound bites,

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and at the beginning of the debate, her voice was shaky. It was squeaky. At the beginning, her throat seemed to snap shut a couple of times.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And as a broadcaster, I know what that feels like. You start going and you're talking and whatever

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and then all of a sudden just like, and just like the back of your throat just snap shut.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And it cuts off your words as you speak. I caught one of those, at least one of those. Again, this was at the very beginning.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And I mentioned that because to me, that is indicative of nerves. She was nervous at the beginning.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And it makes sense, right? I'm not saying this as an indictment.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you say, oh, no, she came out, grayering to go and she was awesome, whatever. I don't think that was the case at all.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the way you saw it. Now, I try not to engage in motivated reasoning. I try not to have a conclusion and then work my way to get there.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Other people do. Other people do engage in that kind of thing. I do not.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Her performance grew more comfortable throughout the evening. So she obviously, you know, the nerve settled down and she was as I mentioned, animated.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought she was smirking at times. I found it to be kind of condescending. She did this hand under the chin, you know, like, hmm contemplate, oh, tell me more whatever.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, really, like when he called her father a Marxist economist and that's true. But she somehow gave this impression that this was so not true. But it was. So she did this. Oh, really tell me more.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, like this exaggerated. I don't believe he's saying this crazy thing without saying that seemed odd seemed a little forced.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And also, Trump seemed undisciplined. Trump seemed unfocused.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_02]: That's Trump. Trump seemed like Trump. He was Trump and the thing about Trump in debates I have found in watching him debate over the years.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he does well. I don't think he's ever done well on debates, but I am looking for something different than a lot of other people and I recognize that. Other people watch him and they think he cleaned her clock.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: The chattering class seems to think so. The chattering class has an interest, I think, in telling you what they want you to believe, whether that's from the left or from the right.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of people on, you know, team Trump that are telling you he did really well. He'll tell you that. He said it was his best debate performance ever.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And that may be that's true. There are people on the left and in the media, but I repeat myself, they think that she mopped the floor with them and they want you to think that's true.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So what's interesting to me is to read about people who are going into the debate and haven't been paying attention.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: The very few sort of undecided people that sit for these focus groups watch the debates.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm always curious how they react to things. For example, there is, let me see here, Eric Erickson, talk show host out of Atlanta.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's in Atlanta. During the debate last night, when Donald Trump talked about Springfield, Ohio and talked about the Haitian population that has been flown into that city and dumped there.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a city of like 55,000 people or so. Very smaller than Rockhill, like it's almost like a little bit more than half as large as Rockhill or Asheville about half the size population wise and they flew in the Biden Harrison administration in order to avoid the numbers at the border, the ports of entry.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So they could claim that the numbers are going down. They've been flying people into America direct flights and they did this at a Haiti.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And she touted this a couple years ago when Haiti was having all the problems remember there was like the overthrow of the government and all of this and they started flying Haitians into America.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And she celebrated this. I think the number was like over a hundred thousand something like that and this town Springfield, Ohio got.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Was it 10,000 or 20,000 something like that? Let's say 10,000 Haitians imported to their town.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And so the story, what over the last couple of days was that the Haitians are killing Gies in the park and ducks in the park. They're killing them and eating.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there were reports also from city council meeting where residents came down in spoke and alleged that pets were going missing.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And they think that the Haitians are eating the family pets, the cats and the ducks which then launched an entire mean about Donald Trump saving all of the ducks and the cats using AI generated cartoons.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_02]: All areas right. Now do I know for certain that Haitians are eating cats and dogs. Mass hysteria living together anyway, do I have any.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I've not seen any confirmation that that occurred. I know there were people that think it's occurred in that town and they have given interviews to the media that sort of thing.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So Donald Trump who apparently has been traveling, he got off this plane before the debate with Laura Loomer,

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess that's who's been helping him prep for the debates, which actually makes a lot of sense.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's cheesy.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, he brings this up in the debate last night.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Did not go over very well with people that were watching.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But Eric Erickson on Twitter says,

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: you stupid beliefs just got Trump to repeat your lie about the pets.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Congratulations on setting the news stories tomorrow by lying.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So Trump picks it up and says stupid stuff.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, first off that would be a, that would be a Trump problem.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Right? If Trump is going to take that and he's going to use that,

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: but here Erickson is blaming Twitter users for creating all of these means,

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: which are kind of cute.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Some of them are kind of cute.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's got kittens and ducks in it, right?

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're, they're cute images of him like rescuing all of these from,

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: like from hordes of people or Kamala Harris is chasing behind him,

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_02]: whatever.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But first off, that would be on Trump not to say stupid stuff on the debate stage,

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: right? That would be on him.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But also,

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_02]: let's assume it's a lie.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Does anybody care?

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Right? Does anybody care that that's a lie?

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I know the media is going to make a big deal about it.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to say he lied about this thing.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But if this is the modern state of politics,

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: telling all of these stories project 2025,

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_02]: good people on both sides,

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: right, the lies that Kamala said last night,

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: if those are allowed to stick,

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: if those are part of our,

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: our our public consciousness and those things are deemed to be true by half the country,

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_02]: even though they are not.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: then who cares?

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: hypocrisy,

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: carries no purchase, right?

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_02]: The charge of hypocrisy carries no purchase anymore.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So it doesn't matter.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it, but that's where we are.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's start with Frank.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the show.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello Frank.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, Pete.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, appreciate you all.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_03]: You do what you do.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Aaron.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir. I can't.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks. Okay, it's Kay Liner.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So get it that way.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_03]: We're all sorry.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But listen, so the first 13 second

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_03]: to this debate, the buckle,

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: was should have told everyone where the media is.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So he started with,

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, inflation time blah blah blah blah blah blah.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And vice president Harris and Donald Trump,

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_03]: where they're president for the last four years.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you all fact check that?

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, that yes, that Donald Trump was the,

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I missed that.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you say, bro, David, my nor.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, David, we didn't know well.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The question was,

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you believe Americans are better off now than they were four years ago?

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: That was the first question he tossed to Harris and her response was,

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I grew up in the middle class.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Very first.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I understand.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I know.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But he was asked the question and he said,

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_03]: President vice president Harris and Donald Trump,

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: where they're just check it.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm sorry.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I played it over and over my head at my friends and they're like,

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_03]: You're right, dude.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_03]: He said,

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Vice president Harris and Donald Trump had been.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And this administration for the last four years.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: What are you going to do to fix this?

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll go back.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've got the list of the questions.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I know.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I know.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I know you got a bunch of stuff on them, but you're great.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, Frank, I appreciate it.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Look, I think the larger issue here is the.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The criticism of David Mueer and Lindsey Davis,

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_02]: the two moderators for ABC.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: They were awful.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: They, they now have surpassed Candy Crowley as the worst moderators ever to inject

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: themselves into a debate.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: This is what I was saying earlier is that different things can be true at the same time.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_02]: In that Donald Trump, I don't think by what I judge as a successful performance.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he did well last night.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But other people do.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Other people that were watching that have not decided for whom to vote,

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: they thought he did find.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_02]: They actually think he won.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you about a Reuters focus group that was surprising.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So when I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's and before he died, my mom and my dad

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[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: This is why I walk to Frank's point.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I before the break, Frank called and said that he had heard David Moere say that Trump has been president for four years.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Here is the way the debate began.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Here is the first question and I will tell you, Frank is correct.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: David Moere, I think he probably just missed spoke but here is what he started off with.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to begin tonight with the issue that voters repeatedly say is their number one issue and that is the economy and the cost of living in this country.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Vice President Harris, you and President Trump were elected four years ago and you're opponent on the stage here tonight.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Often asks his supporters, are you better off than you were four years ago?

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So there it is.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, I think that sounds like he missed spoke.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He was saying you and Biden went say you and Joe Biden were elected four years ago and your opponent over here is, is are you better now?

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But yes, he did say that.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what that means.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: If it was intentional, what was the point?

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_02]: To confuse everybody.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I think people, well, I would like to think most people know that Trump's not president right now.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned a, where did it go here?

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: A Reuters here it is.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Reuters focus group, Reuters the news organization.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They did a focus group.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: They interviewed 10 people who were still not sure how they were going to vote in the election before they watched the debate and six of the ten said afterward that they would now either vote for Trump or were leaning towards backing him.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Three said that they would now back Harris and one was still not sure.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: See, this is what I mean.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Different things can be true.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched the debate last night.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I did not think Trump did a good job.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Kamala Harris with a very low bar to get over, cleared it very easily.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: She refrained from the cackling.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_02]: She refrained from, you know, acting all like a prosecutor and doing it getting into a back and forth with Trump.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she did what she needed to do, right?

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what everybody always says.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: She did what she needed to do.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: She looked like she belonged and her campaign is taking a victory lap and they're like, we want another debate.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if there will be one.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But again, my what I viewed as a not great performance from Trump but very Trumpian apparently people who are not sure who to vote for six out of ten of them were like, I like that guy.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So is it possible here that the people who are most engaged in politics like you and me, like we may be missing something that the people who are not engaged in politics are seen?

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So something to keep in mind.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me go over here to Bill.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, Bill.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the show.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, Mr. Governor, how you doing?

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I'm good.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: What's going on?

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I want quick take for you.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I should get a great job, that's my apologies.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a better Trump in the out of the game man.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_04]: He was, he's out of the game man, my brother.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think, I don't know if he was off his game.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that is his game in debates.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like I said, I don't think he's ever done really well in debates.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm not, and then the question is, I mean, I know this all is what I'm talking about.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_04]: But I have Asian friends and they don't eat dogs and cats man.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You have Asian friends?

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Asian.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Asian friends.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Then they don't eat dogs and cats.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm not getting where that negative pain, that negative pain.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It came from, well, no, it came from reports from people in that town of Springfield, Ohio.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, to be sure, like there are people that, like if you go to the, was it next door.com

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: or your local neighborhood Facebook group and there are people that put all sorts of stupid stuff on those groups.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know what happened over here.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just going to make up something, right?

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So that is very possible that people like they lost their pets.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And so they're talking it up to all the Haitian immigrants that just got dropped into their town.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's see, that's the real story is not the eating of the cats or dogs or anything.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the, I mean, if it's true then yes, that would be obviously the story.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But if, but if it's not, if that's not true, the story is still the fact that a town of like 50,000 people just had 10,000 Haitians relocated into their town by the federal government.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the story.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was on the edge.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I was on the fence with both candidates.

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm got something going with Camala now, man, because she really, she really,

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_04]: it's a process, it's just too far past man from the sake of fascination to all this stuff.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Eat dog cats, eat out the books, man.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_04]: These are real.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So Bill, hang on Bill.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't either we're Bill, Bill.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a saying here, don't whiz on my boots and tell me it's raining.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay?

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_02]: No, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, when you tell me that Donald Trump's assassination attempt was a fake assassination attempt,

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: then you kind of lay bare the lie that you were on the fence about whom to support.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm 50.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Huh?

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Get here, it's going to fall off, you get hit with AR-50.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Doesn't matter how easy it is at or not.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: You got hit with a baby gun.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But you think cats, you think the spreading of the story about Haitian, Zeding, cats and ducks.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That's too far.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You're on the radio right now telling me that what we saw with our own eyes did not occur.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a whole thing as a fake, right?

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But you definitely, but it was the cats and dogs thing that convinced you to vote for Kamala.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, though, that's like I said, don't piss on my boots and tell me it's raining, Bill.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Call back any time.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's a message from Kevin Pete.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Trump is hurting our chances.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_02]: There were a few cringe-worthy comments from both Kamala and Trump, but for me the worst one was about migrants eating people's pets.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Even if it is true, it has no place on a debate stage unless you have definitive proof of it happening.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: The point is to convince undecided voters, claims of immigrants eating people's pets just make you sound crazy.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I like Trump's policies but saying things like that doesn't help the cause.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_02]: See, now Kevin and I would we would agree on that.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with Kevin on that.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But here's the thing, people who are actual undecided voters on it and were asked, they apparently didn't care.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it possible here that we are giving undecided voters too much credit?

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like we're projecting upon them the things that we think are important.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So therefore we think they should think it's important and already do think it's important.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And they don't care about that.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, there is an angle here.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: To let me see if I can find it.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Because this exchange over that, yeah, here we go.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: This is from Nick, free it, free it to us.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: He's in the Virginia House of Deligts, free it to Nick free it to us.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So ABC, when Donald Trump said this about the Haitians eating people's dogs or whatever,

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_02]: the moderator David Muir, he said, well, we have called the city manager and he said that's not happening.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was one of the fact checks that the left was like, you know, oh my gosh, this is so fantastic.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: They're fact checking at real time just him.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Free to says that sentence perfectly describes the modern media because there've been multiple reports of citizens claiming something is happening.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And the media quote, investigation stops as soon as some bureaucrat tells them what they want to hear.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And that is very accurate.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That is the way a lot of media operate now.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, hey, some people are saying some stuff we're going to stick a mic in the face of a local bureaucrat and they're like,

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_02]: okay, investigation over.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me go to Denise.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, Denise.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the program.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, I'm doing a good job at the usual.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: There are so many data points on the economy that nearly all Americans care about and they are compelling for Trump every cost more 20% more.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Inflation 42 straight months above the Fed target of 2% mortgage cost 89% higher credit card debt exceeding anything during the Trump years savings shrinking down to 3.3% nearly a historic low.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But did he talk about any of those specifically, well, on points that Americans actually care about mortgage savings credit cards don't link with these.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: But no, no, he didn't.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_00]: We were on crowd size.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_00]: We were eating pets.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_00]: We were on the 2020 election.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I told you producer, I'm 75 years old and I'm a really avid profile fan.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And I have seen games where the reps are bad by the morning ABC and inquisitor's there.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: But when the quarterback cannot throw a pass anywhere near his receiver over and over and over and over and over.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And he loses the game.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_00]: This is not all on the rest correct.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_00]: What in the world?

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, you are correct.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Once again though, I come back to what I said to start the hour, which was different things can be true, right?

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That yes, he was debating the moderators as well.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: No doubt about it.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: In one of the worst performances from moderators, I think I've ever seen in a debate last night.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's not.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But points on the board.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what points on the board.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you can't come anywhere near your receiver, then even if the reps were perfect, you still didn't do your job right.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So here, but here's the other point though, Denise is that you and I wanted to hear that kind of response.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You and I would be moved and would be receptive to those arguments.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think the people who don't know who to vote for at this late stage, I'm not so sure they are.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not so sure that that's actually what they care about.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the other caller said, made him sound crazy.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_00]: That five senses on it.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean one would have been bad enough but let's, you know, quadruple down on it.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Well yeah, I appreciate the call Denise.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It's same thing with Ukraine when they asked him like, should you crane win the war?

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_02]: He should have just said yes.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I would like for them to win.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It would be preferable if they won.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But he couldn't even do that.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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