Fired UNC-Charlotte DEI administrator files suit against the school (12-31-2025--Hour1)

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It's just an arbitrary milestone, you know, because if you wanted to market at one hundred and one thousand miles, you could do that too. Why do I say all of this because I want to go back and just briefly take a look at where we were, not a year ago, but about four years ago. And I know a lot of people have sort of blocked out a period of time in their memories. Probably started some time around the lockdowns when people were telling us to, you know, wear masks alone in the car. But this was also the rise of sort of of peak woke, if you will, although I I should say peak woke left, because I think woke right is on the ascent right now, so we'll have to deal with that, I'm sure in twenty twenty six more thoroughly. But the leftists really really made their push. They sort of emerged from a lot of the shadows that they were hiding slash working in government positions in and you know, attempted to seize the opportunity that was, uh, that was laid before them with the Black Lives Matter protest movement. And so about four years ago, five four and a half years ago or so, starting in about twenty twenty, I was doing the podcast and I wasn't on the radio at the time I was doing the show, but it was a podcast, and you know, I covered a lot of the you know, the COVID stuff obviously, but also was seeing the rise of the critical race theory DEI stuff. And the reason I bring this back up is that there has been a development locally on the DEI front. So DEI stands for diversity, equity, and inclusion. I've seen some people swap the I and the E, so now it's die or die. It's sort of a reference to what it will do to civilization. And people sometimes are confused as to what the difference may be between critical race theory and DEI. So here's a here's a just a rule of thumb you can go by. Okay, DEI is critical race theory. Okay, it's it's just a different rebrand. Okay, same ideas, uh, same underlying philosophy, just a different way to package it and make it palatable to the ignorant. Okay, CRT is you know, Oh, that's just an esoteric legal theory that was taught in some Harvard law school classes. Blah blah blah. And again, I'm not going to go back and rehash all of the arguments about CRT and what it's all about and its roots and history and the origins and all that. It's not necessary at this point, it's a it's Marxist, it's it's a cancer, it's toxic to the body politic and it has it got repackaged in the form of DEI and then injected into you know, the institutions, because that is what you know, the left does under the you know, the auspices of the the long March through the institutions, as promoted by the Italian communist Antonio Grahams sheet. So uh Ian Hersey Ali wrote about this four years ago. She said, uh the talking about de I and quoting the Heritage Foundation how to identify critical race theory, And in this piece it warns of a new tactic deployed by the movement's defenders. They now deny that the curricula and train A programs in question form part of CRT, instead insisting that the diversity, equity and inclusion programs of trainers like Ibramex Kendy and Robin DiAngelo. You'll recall Kendy was paid tens of thousands of dollars to do like a thirty minute zoom call with CMS educators and administrators here in town. Robin DiAngelo, the white woman who wrote a book about white fragility and said, if any you know, non white person accuses you of being a racist, you have to accept that if you try to argue against it, that proves you're a racist and you're fragile. Right, It's almost like it's almost like you're you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Anyway, the DEI programs of trainers like Kendy and DiAngelo, that they're they're denying that this is CRT, that the that DEI is distinct from the academic work of professors like Derek Bell, Kimberly Crenshaw. Those are the cr T architects. But Ion Heirs Ali says, certainly, regardless of which trendy three letter term you prefer to describe the latest iteration of America's obsession with race, the goal in each case is the same. It's to shift away from meritocracy in favor of an equality of outcome system. Right, That's the through line there, She goes on to say later in this piece. Instead of focusing on ways to lift black students up as individuals with their own agency, ability and choice, they believe the system must reorient itself to produce the desired outcome starting with kindergarten. It is dependent on the magnification of barriers and tension between racial groups, something, she says, I suspect is psychologically damaging to both white and black students, and she is correct. There. For white students, the blame of slavery and Jim Crow laws are laid at their feet. For black children, the situations no better. Students are taught that it's the system, not their own effort or abilities, that will determine their future in life. This, of course, discourages hard work, motivation, ambition, and aspiration. It breeds distrust and hostility towards their white teachers. It truncates their abilities to learn and progress in school. As Ian Rowe points out, the narrative that white people hold the power conveys a wrongheaded notion of white superiority and creates an illusion of black dependency on white largess. In other words, you don't have anything unless white people give it to you, and in the schools themselves, this often leads to physical segregation. Right and finally, she says later in this piece, it's a pretty lengthy piece, but I've kept it all these years. I keep folders, I print stuff out I keep folders of topics, and that's why I am able to pull this stuff back out when needed, and it is needed now because some new devel elements locally here on the DEI front. She says, rather than push race to the foreground of education, the so called anti racists would do better to cultivate a learning environment for students where the focus is on being kind and respectful, which Rob Henderson, the author, was talking about this the other day. I saw where you know you're born and you have a certain level of intelligence, right, that's sort of genetic, But so you can't really like train yourself into being more intelligent having a higher IQ. You can, however, train yourself into being polite, respectful, ambitious. You can do those things. Those are all within your abilities and they will have more lasting impacts on your life than simple IQ. So focus on that, all right. If you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you dete media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground news. It's an app, and it's a website and it combines news from around the world in one place, so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, dot news, slash pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. I started using ground News a few months ago and more recently chose to work with them as an affiliate because it lets me see clearly how stories get covered and by whom. The blind spot feature shows you which stories get ignored by the left and the right. See for yourself check dot ground, dot news slash pete. 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I can't keep up. The videos that went viral were short clips from the full exchange that represented personal opinions and lacked context. The lawsuit claims neither did the university interview her or conduct a full investigation. Sanders at the time served as the Assistant Director of Leadership and Community Engagement, a role that the lawsuit says had been renamed from a previous role in the university's Office of Identity, Equity and Engagement. That office was renamed after the Board of Governors that oversees the college. The Board of Governors in twenty twenty four repealed the DEI policy language, and so UNC Charlotte changed the name of this office right and in the lawsuit, it says that the leadership of her department expressed in internal meetings, a desire to preserve core aspects of its prior mission without running a foul of the Board of Governor's anti DEI mandate. What does that mean? What it means They wanted to keep doing the work. Right, They were going to continue doing what they were doing, knowing that this is now illegal. Right, the state passed a law. The Board of Governors passed a law. I mean, heck, even the Trump administration passed a law about all of this stuff, just stripping the DEI crap out of these colleges and universities and unc Charlotte's department formerly called the the Office of Identity, Equity and Engagement, or the IEE, or as I like to call it, the ie They changed it to the Leadership and Community Engagement Center. Okay, And so when a couple of undercover investigators with a video camera went into this office and asked, you know, hey, how can we help. We want to get jobs with you, We want to spread the DEI stuff or whatever whatever, and Ms Sanders gave away the game. She told them, she said, like, yeah, like we got to do it basically on the down low. I mean, she didn't say it like that. I have her quote. She said the university had to be renamed, reorganized, and recalibrated. According to the lawsuit, The ugly reality this is from her lawyer. The ugly reality is that miss Sanders was targeted because she provided a black female image for an agenda that questions black and female talent, which is not exactly That's not really what happened at all. She's asking for a jury trial, so we'll see how that goes. But the lawsuit says, instead of defending one of its own stars, Okay, was she really a star? Really like a star? I kind of feel like I would have known about her then before she got fired for this undercover video. I feel like I would have known about her if she was a star of UNC Charlotte, you know. But whatever. Instead of defending one of its own stars, UNCC bowed to bigotry and the threat of political backlash. So the crux of this argument, and this is why I actually think that UNC Charlotte might be in some trouble on this lawsuit. It's not because of the discrimination claim. I'd need to see some evidence to support this claim. But if the argument here is that the core aspects of the DEI program would remain in violation of the law and the mandates that came down from the b of Governors. Right, And if she was told this, if miss Sanders was told all of this by her her bosses in this formerly the IE but now the Leadership and Community Engagement Center, then it seems to me like she was told, we're gonna keep doing the core aspects of the mission. We're gonna keep doing what we're doing. We are just going to find a way to not do it overtly, to kind of go underground with it, maybe waited out until some you know, Democrats take over and then they can re implement the DEI infrastructure and we'll just kind of rebrand back to what we were and keep going with what we're doing. So the core aspects remain what Sanders did, what she told the truth, and that's what got her fired. So actually she could be considered a whistleblower. See, like I think I think she and her attorney. Now she did hire some attorney who's like a workplace discrimination lawyer, guy who like this is his jam, and so maybe that's you know, you know, if you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail kind of a thing. But I you know, maybe you could have gone with like a whistleblower defense or lawsuit to say that, look, this is what the leadership in the department said, We were just going to rebrand, recalibrate, rename, reorganize, but the core aspects of the mission would remain in place, in violation of law. And so her mistake was saying that out loud, right, let me go to the oh. And then of course the leadership of the department threw her under the bus in order to avoid responsibility, but also because she got caught talking about the subversion that was going on in this department. So they fire her. They cut her loose because she told some undercover kids the truth, and so she gets fired for that. That's not discrimination, by the way. Okay, they didn't fire her because she's black. Now she's The lawsuit does lay out well, it lays out some questions. We're just asking questions, and the main question is did any other white person say these things? Well, there's no evidence that any other white person said these things to an undercover video team, right that then went viral. But because we don't know if anybody who is white that works in this department thinks the same things or says the same things or whatever, then therefore she got fired because she's black, and that's like, that's a stretch. I don't I don't know how they intend to prove this. Desiree Methurin, a reporter at the Charlotte Observer, starts off her story on this. A former UNC Charlotte employee is suing the university for discrimination after a viral video of her suggesting diversity and equity policies were still occurring on campus led to her firing in May. Okay, she was not on video suggesting that the policies were still occurring. 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So, okay, So the last time we spoke, we were talking about this video that went viral of a UNC Charlotte DEI officer who was basically saying, look, we're just doing a rebrand of the DEI office here at UNC Charlotte. Don't worry. We know the rules change. The board of governors told us to stop doing this, the state government told us to stop doing this. Heck, even the president said stop doing this, but we're kind of still doing it, so don't worry. And then the video goes viral and she gets fired the next day. She has now filed the lawsuit against UNC Charlotte. So I don't know, you probably have a bunch of attorneys that work with you. Guys, considering the nature of the work you do, have you had a chance to look at the at the lawsuit that's been filed against UNC Charlotte. You know, we have looked at the lawsuit our attorneys have looked at the lawsuit and one part of it stood out to me is particularly egregious and slightly hysterical. You know, she claimed that UNC Charlotte doesn't appreciate female talent. Well, our female investigator who captured this woman bragging about how they ignore the law at UNC Charlotte. I think she's got a tremendous amount of talent and I think a lot of North Carolinians appreciate it. Yeah, that was a lot of this stuff reads almost like an op ed versus a legal brief. But you guys are mentioned several times, and so I was kind of curious to get your, uh, to get your reaction to the way this is written up. So it says a accuracy and media or AIM targeted Sanders for one of its periodic sting videos. We're unsuspecting employees or videotaped making comments that AIM believes reflect their employer's liberal agenda. What do you what do you think about that framing? Well, you know, there are a couple of problems with that UNC Charlotte isn't liberal. Liberal would be a wonderful improvement and a move to the middle relative to where they are. UNC Charlotte is clearly run by far left radicals who have no regard for the law. And I can tell you this because we've revisited now many of the universities that we exposed previously in twenty twenty five. And whereas these universities like UNC Charlotte claim, oh, that was just one bad apple, well we've gone back and found that really it's an orchard full of apples. And if they're so poor at hiring in their administration that they consistently hire people who break or circumvent the law, they're either incompetent or they're in on it. I think the latter is more likely. I think these institutions are rotten from the top to the bottom, and North Carolina higher education needs major reform. Well yeah, I said that where missus Sanders messed up and why she got fired was that she told the truth because according to her, this was inside the department and formerly the you know, the DEI office, and now they rebranded it to name it something else, but the core aspects of their work were to continue, according to her, and what she attributes to the you know, the belief that was spread around that office was that look, we're just going to rebrand ourselves, kind of go underground, but we're still going to keep doing this work. Her problem was she said it out loud to a couple of your undercover agents there, and that's why she got fired. Although now she's claiming she got fired because she's black, which I'm not really sure how that happens. And I love the goal of them to claim the narcissism from miss Sanders, to claim that she was targeted. Well, we released what seven or eight videos from various North Carolina universities. It's a pretty wide target, you know. It's not as if we went after Janique Sanders. We went after every major institution in the state of North Carolina, and as I said, we've done it multiple times in multiple department. I wish she I'm sure she believes she's so important that we specifically targeted her, But the reality is we target all of higher education in Rader purple states across America because the people who run higher education, unfortunately in America, are radicals who think that they are above the law. Janique Sanders is just a prime example of it. So the lawsuit goes on to say in bullet point thirty six, aim does not practice UNC's current stance of institutional neutrality on subjects of racial controversy. So do you think that do you think that that is accurate, that your organization does not practice what UNC has as its stance of institutional neutrality on subjects of racial controversy. You know, when I see something like that, it really makes me wonder, is this a pro bono attorney? What are we dealing with here that she would expect accuracy and media to follow UNC Charlotte's internal policies. Listen, as we know from UNC Charlotte, they don't follow state law, they don't follow border governor's rulings, they don't follow executive orders at UNC Charlotte, and the goal on them to think that others should follow their internal policies is the most obvious version of hypocrisy I've seen in some wild it's really rules for thee but not for me. There's another point here. They say that your organization and its ideological counterparts regard racial diversity as a device to elevate racial minorities in the workforce at the expense of whites. That belief, in turn, is often informed by an assumption that the rise of minorities in leadership roles is unconnected to merit and derives instead from an unfair edge in the form of quotas. It's unbelievably sickening to hear racist language like that in twenty twenty five. After all, she doesn't exactly know the racial makeup of our organization and what we are as an organization are people who celebrate Martin Luther King's dream of a colorblind society, where we could be judged based on the content of our character as opposed to the color of our skin. The problem with the radicals today is that they hide behind things that on the surface are great, like diversity. I love diversity. They hide behind good things and use them as a trojan horse to advance bad things. But even if you scratch the service just slightly, you'll realize that their belief in diversity is an utter lie, because they certainly don't believe in diversity of thought, They certainly don't believe in diversity of religion. They certainly don't believe in diversity of political ideology. Look at the makeup of voter registration and the political science departments, look at the makeup of donations from their administrators. And from their staffers. This is the most homogenous organization you could find outside of perhaps the Nazi Party. So for them to claim that they care about diversity and we don't, is it of not just lie That speaks more about them than it does about us. Now, I think UNC Charlotte might actually have a problem with this lawsuit, not based on the racial discrimination grounds, but the fact that she, according to the lawsuit, if we believe what's in the lawsuit, that she was not provided with specific grounds for her firing, and that her two superiors in the office there that they did not articulate to her any provision of the UNCC policies that she had violated. So, like, I'm no lawyer, but it sounds to me like I think you probably should be told why you're getting fired. I mean, even if it's the obvious, Hey you said some stupid stuff on the video that went viral, or hey you said some stuff that we are not doing. You told some people that you were doing things that we are not doing, but they never gave her a reason. What do you think about that? Well, when you're on a viral video where you and your own words brag about circumventing state law, and it gets millions and millions of views. The House Speaker, the Senate President, I think the Assistant Attorney General of the United States all get involved in this video. I think the reason is pretty clear. Now. The sad thing is you've got an institution that employees people sell up noxiously feeling like they're above the law, that they can sue after getting caught bragging about circumventing the law, and now that taxpayers are forced to defend themselves. And I wouldn't be surprised, of course, if the university just settles. After all, it's not their money, it's ours, so it's no skin off their back to settle and hand out our money to somebody who they're probably sympathetic with, other than the fact that she let the cat out of the back. But it really speaks again to the fact that these institutions are rotten to the core. Janique Sanders is just one example out of many showing the fact that these people think they're above the law. And it's important to remember we don't embed ourselves and these universities for long periods of time building up trust week after week, month after month. We're there briefly these are people they've met for five minutes, and yet they're so willing to brag about circumventing the law. That speaks about how confident they are that they're above everything. That's a good point. Yeah, it's a good point. You're not earning their trust. You're not, you know, insinuating yourself into their operations for weeks or months or anything like that. It's like, Hey, my name is Pete. I'd like to help you do the work here. How do I do that? And then they just start telling you And I'm confused also by part of this lawsuit that claims that she is having her First Amendment right to freedom of speech abridged, basically that the comments that she made were spoken outside the scope of her job and the scope of her authority. What do you think about that argument? I mean, incredibly hysterical. You know, I suppose any person who's ever confessed to a crime should try to get it tossed by claiming, well, I've got First Amendment rights to speak my mind, you confess to a crime, own up to it. You know. The fortunate thing about this is the subsequent damage she's potentially doing to her own career, because previously she could have just moved on and said, well, I spoke at a turn once. It was a mistake. I said some things that I shouldn't have said, and so forth and gotten a job at another wacky university. Our country is riddled with them. But now, who would want to hire her? You know, even if she's your ideological ally at any other university in the North Carolina University system. This isn't somebody that I would probably be desperate to hire if I was an employer based on her suing her past employer. So it seems as if she's doing reputational damage to herself. Well she may get a podcast out of it. So there is that. There is that one twenty five America. Everyone has a podcast exactly at birth with social security numbers. Yeah, well, hey, look I can't throwstone here in my position, So Adam gillaad is there anything else you want to mention here before we let you go that you think people should know that's important or interesting. Well, we have a ton more investigations from the state of North Carolina coming out in the next few weeks. CM on our website, aim dot org, aim dot org, and on every social media platform we visited new universities, and we've revisited Olds universities and North Carolina absolutely needs major reform for their higher education system. Dude, you're going to get You're going to get us sued again, and then we're going to have to pay out more money to these people to settle like I'm. What, well, fire all the bad apples and then their own fetting more lawsuits. All right tooche, fairpoint, fairpoint. Hey, appreciate you coming on the show today, sir. A happy new year, best of luck, and best wishes for twenty twenty six to. You, Happy new year, Thank you for having me back. Take care. You know. Stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life, and our stories are told through images and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video. 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I knew you probably wouldn't, so, you know me, I am a giver and so I read through it so you didn't have to. You're welcome. Excuse me. According to still battling the remnants of the the crud, the flu from last week. So this uh, I'm trying to see what her official title was. Just as she was employed in the Office of Identity, Equity and Engagement at UNC Charlotte Janique Sanders, and she was caught on camera talking about how basically they're doing this end run around the state law and the mandate from the Board of governors to say, you know, you're not allowed to teach this or implement these divisive quote unquote DEI initiatives. I'm gonna go into some of the details on what the DEI stuff actually is all about in the next hour. But from the lawsuit, she says that within twenty four hours after the video went viral from Accuracy and Media, the UNCC Associate Vice Chancellor of Student Affairs Karen Schaeffer or Schaeffer Schaeffer, and it's executive director of Student Affairs, Frank Fleming, they fired her for what the lawsuit claims is her exercise of her rights as an American to speak on a matter of controversy and public concern. See, here's the problem, though you're on the job. You're on the job, and you're talking about how you and your colleagues are violating the law. This is why I say, like, if anything, you should have made this a whistleblower case. You should have tried to make a play like, oh, I was just trying to get the information out there. I'm a whistleblower. She asserts a cause of action under the mixed motive provision of Title seven of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four, on the grounds that her firing reflects an impermissible injection of racial bias into an employment decision. Now, there's no proof that race played any role in any of this. It almost sounds like a disparate outcome argument that they're attempting to make, but they don't actually make it that. It's what I mean, this is a very odd kind of a lawsuit. Not a lot of there's well, there's like no evidence here. It goes on to say that she grew up in Newark, New Jersey, which, look, I understand, we all have our cross to bear. But she moved to Charlotte in twenty eleven. She attended UNCC for a year. She then transferred back up to Jersey. When to Rutgers, she spent a whole bunch of time up there, got you know, all sorts of degrees and stuff. Spent two years working in the broad field at Rutgers, in the broad field of equity and outreach to campus communities. Her various roles included facilitating interactive dialogue on social justice concerns, advising student affinity groups, and supervising teams of Federal work study students. You get the idea of what this woman's life work is about. Right. She then returned to Charlotte and joined this IEE office. Her focus was on institutional programs that sought to engage students who were part of marginalized economic, ethnic, and social communities. The goal was to replace alienation and conflict with a sense of shared community. Which is crap. Okay, that's bs. That is not what DEI does. It is divisive. The whole point of it is to make everybody see everything and everyone else through a prism of class, in this case racial class, or it could be gender class. Back in Marx's day it was economic class. It's the same model. They just swap out the different prisms. It's like, oh, okay, the economic prism isn't really working, so let's see here, let me look around. Oh here we go. Here's a prism for you, the racial prism. View everything through that, and at the heart of it is always the same oppressed oppressor dynamic. It's power dynamics. This is Marxism. It's all about power dynamics. And they will tell you this. By the way, the folks who create created the critical race theory stuff, which was basically just the latest iteration of critical theory, which that comes from Marxism. Right, So it's a direct line, Okay. So the DEI is just the latest rebrand of that thing. So this idea that oh I was just here to replace alienation and conflict with the sense of shared community by telling people that the only reason that they have any problems is because somebody is doing it to them. Right. Sanders was part of unc c's umbrella of DEI initiatives, which emerged in the aftermath of a racially turbulent time in American history, notorious incidents in which two black Americans, Breonna Taylor and George Floyd, were victims of what were widely regarded as excessive and disproportionate uses of deadly force by law enforcement, not even going to go into the cases for a brief season, Yes, yes, a very brief season. The unc systems DEI agenda was a subject of bipartisan and corporate praise and aligned with the national trend of expanding closed circles of leadership. Black women were elevated to the United States Supreme Court and the position of Vice President of the United States. What does he say there? What is the all you're saying? Here that these are DEI picks. That's what he's saying. So for all the outrage when anybody on the right calls Katanji Brown Jackson on the US Supreme Court whenever she makes some crazy statements or makes some stupid arguments and says, like one of the million times per oral arguments that she doesn't understand something, and people point out that she's a DEI Supreme Court appointment, and the left goes bonkers over this. What are you saying here in this very case, you're saying that in the wake of, you know, the summer of fiery but mostly peaceful rioting, that all of a sudden, there's this national trend of expanding closed leadership circles to include black women being elevated to the US Supreme Court and the Vice President of the United States. So you're saying that was a result of this, these types of actions, these DEI actions. So he cannot gaslight me on this people. All right, that'll do for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 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