FEMA staff directed to avoid Helene victims with Trump yard signs (11-12-2024--Hour1)

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[00:00:28] So, remember all of the tinfoil conspiracy theories about, or tinfoil hat conspiracy theories about how FEMA wasn't helping Trump voters? Yeah, about that. Apparently, FEMA has fired a supervisor for telling workers not to help Trump voters.

[00:00:57] And this was in Milton, Florida. And now she gave an interview on a podcast. And now she says it's actually a pretty widespread directive and it affects Western North Carolina as well.

[00:01:17] So, don't, yeah, don't sell your tinfoil stocks just yet. I'm not saying it's going to be Bitcoin-like, but, right. So I have an audio clip.

[00:01:31] So, this is Marnie Washington. She appeared on a podcast that is hosted by Roland Martin. Hey, remember Roland Martin? Remember that guy? Yeah. CNN guy? I don't know if he still does CNN appearances or what.

[00:01:50] But he's got his own podcast. And let me see here. I think it's on YouTube.

[00:01:57] Roland Martin unfiltered is what he calls it. And so, and there is an echo in this audio.

[00:02:07] So, I don't know. It does clear up. So, but that's not on my end, just for the record.

[00:02:13] I would never allow this kind of audio to occur on my program.

[00:02:18] But I just have to, you know, I've got to play the clip here.

[00:02:22] And apparently there was a problem with their audio.

[00:02:24] I think it gets corrected, though, but it's the beginning of this clip.

[00:02:27] But you could still hear her. It's just going to be kind of annoying.

[00:02:29] I mean, more annoying or kind of on par annoying as to the actual content of what she's saying.

[00:02:35] But the, right, the audio is kind of annoying, too. So, here we go.

[00:02:38] Stating that I was fired.

[00:02:40] They all alleged that these actions were made on my own recognizances and that it was for my own political advances.

[00:02:49] However, if you look at the record, there is what we call a community trend.

[00:02:55] And unfortunately, it just so happened that the political hostility that was encountered by my team,

[00:03:02] and I was on two different teams during this deployment,

[00:03:04] they just so happened to have the Trump campaign signage.

[00:03:09] FEMA always preaches avoidance first and then de-escalation.

[00:03:14] So, this is not isolated.

[00:03:16] This is a colossal event of avoidance, not just in the state of Florida,

[00:03:21] but you will find avoidance in the Carolinas.

[00:03:24] Senior leadership will lie to you and tell you that they do not know.

[00:03:28] But if you ask the DSA crew leads and specialists what they are experiencing in the field,

[00:03:34] they will tell you.

[00:03:35] Demand for FEMA to give you those incident reports.

[00:03:39] All right. So, what is going on here?

[00:03:43] This is according to the Daily Mail.

[00:03:47] The FEMA boss, who was fired after ordering volunteers not to approach homes displaying Trump signs in Florida

[00:03:55] after Hurricane Milton, has insisted that her edict, quote,

[00:04:00] was not isolated and also happened in North Carolina.

[00:04:03] Speaking out for the first time since she was fired,

[00:04:08] Marnie Washington, that you just heard,

[00:04:11] accused the Federal Emergency Management Agency of, quote,

[00:04:14] lying about the scandal and making her the scapegoat of a wider practice.

[00:04:20] Washington was blasted publicly and lost her job after a text chain was leaked

[00:04:26] that showed her instructing colleagues to avoid houses that had Trump signs in their yards.

[00:04:34] Washington told DailyMail.com she is seeking an attorney and is, quote,

[00:04:41] at risk as a result of the backlash that she has received.

[00:04:45] I can only imagine.

[00:04:46] I have information that proves FEMA is lying, she said.

[00:04:50] In a podcast appearance last night, she went further claiming more FEMA employees are guilty of the same bias,

[00:04:56] but that she is the only one being hung out to dry.

[00:04:59] She's 38 years old.

[00:05:01] She has also she has been fired from her role as a supervisor at FEMA.

[00:05:05] She also had a regular full time job in property management in California,

[00:05:12] but was fired from that job as well as a result of the backlash that she's gotten.

[00:05:19] She says, quote, if we are noticing on, for example, Mary Street and she's just making up a street name.

[00:05:27] So let's say you're on Mary Street and you are greeted with unwelcomed arms

[00:05:33] or people are coming out with guns blazing, screaming at us.

[00:05:37] Then that's a street we need to avoid altogether.

[00:05:42] By the way, this this directive or policy of avoidance first and then de-escalation.

[00:05:53] Like maybe review that I could understand why it would be implemented.

[00:05:58] Right.

[00:05:59] Like you don't want these people.

[00:06:01] I mean, these are not law enforcement officials.

[00:06:03] Right. These are FEMA volunteers or contract employees, whatever.

[00:06:08] Right. They're going into these disaster areas.

[00:06:10] And I mean, you could run into a roving pack of bandits and looters and stuff.

[00:06:16] So don't engage with them.

[00:06:17] So I understand why you would tell your people avoid, you know, a hostile group.

[00:06:23] The problem here, obviously, is that.

[00:06:26] You are ascribing a particular.

[00:06:33] Predilection or you're ascribing actions to people that you haven't met simply based on their political endorsement.

[00:06:43] As reflected in a sign on the front yard.

[00:06:46] Right.

[00:06:47] You see a sign and then you say, I'm not going to go help them.

[00:06:50] Like that is an overly expansive interpretation.

[00:06:57] You cannot ascribe violence or violent tendencies to everybody that has a Trump sign in their front yard.

[00:07:07] I mean.

[00:07:10] It's not like I ascribe dumbassery to everybody with a Harris sign in their front yard.

[00:07:14] I mean, that's totally different.

[00:07:17] I mean, I kid, I kid.

[00:07:20] It's just for the yucks.

[00:07:24] She said she did not even vote in this election because she was so busy helping clean up efforts and would never have let politics interfere with her work.

[00:07:33] Instead, she said the directive was a matter of keeping her team safe.

[00:07:39] Not all Floridians have been unpleasant, she says, but for the most part, the ones that are very passionate about their disdain for FEMA, they have no problem expressing it.

[00:07:49] So I would submit here.

[00:07:52] That this is the larger problem.

[00:07:56] Right.

[00:07:56] What is it that has now inspired this kind of animus towards FEMA?

[00:08:02] Why would people have these thoughts about a an agency that is ostensibly there to come and help people?

[00:08:09] Because when you look at the private sector, right, you look at the nonprofits and the churches, you look at all of those efforts.

[00:08:15] You don't hear people bashing Samaritan's Purse that have been helped by Samaritan's Purse.

[00:08:21] Right.

[00:08:22] When someone shows up with the pack mule team delivering supplies, people don't go to the Facebook page and start trashing those guys.

[00:08:30] No.

[00:08:31] Quite the opposite.

[00:08:32] So what is it about FEMA?

[00:08:36] Why?

[00:08:37] See, I'm a why guy.

[00:08:39] I like to ask the why question.

[00:08:41] Why are people responding to FEMA like this?

[00:08:47] Is it all just misinformation, disinformation?

[00:08:50] It's all somebody else's fault.

[00:08:52] We all going to channel our inner Gary McFadden, our Sheriff McFadden.

[00:08:56] Not my fault.

[00:08:56] It's everybody else.

[00:08:57] I'm just the victim here.

[00:09:00] Or maybe FEMA has done some stuff over a long period of time that has raised some suspicions for the agency.

[00:09:08] Is that possible?

[00:09:10] It's a pretty big agency.

[00:09:12] They've had some pretty well documented and colossal screw ups over, well, 20 years.

[00:09:19] Right.

[00:09:21] That's not to say that everybody on the ground is not doing a good job.

[00:09:25] It's not to say there aren't good people that are trying to help.

[00:09:27] Not saying that at all.

[00:09:28] But there is obviously something that has inspired this kind of animosity.

[00:09:37] And even if none of it is your fault, at some point you have to recognize that you're not helping.

[00:09:43] And if that's what you are supposed to be there to do, and the mission is to help as many people as possible,

[00:09:50] then maybe you need to find a different way to do it.

[00:09:54] Maybe this isn't the best model anymore.

[00:09:57] Maybe block grants to states.

[00:09:59] Maybe unwind the FEMA thing and turn it over to some other local and state authorities or nonprofits or something.

[00:10:10] Like a reimagination of this effort.

[00:10:12] Because if you think you're coming back from this, do you think?

[00:10:18] Like seriously, what happens with the next disaster that FEMA deploys to?

[00:10:24] What do you think is going to happen now?

[00:10:26] We're going to have to have like a FEMA for red states, a FEMA for blue states, or a FEMA for Republicans and a FEMA for Democrats.

[00:10:35] Is that where we're going to have to go with this?

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[00:11:44] Let's go over here to Craig.

[00:11:46] Hey, Craig.

[00:11:46] Welcome to the show.

[00:11:47] Hey, Pete.

[00:11:48] I'm just calling to gloat and tell you I told you so.

[00:11:51] You told me so?

[00:11:53] I told you so.

[00:11:54] A couple weeks ago, I called you and told you that FEMA was slow walking this in western North Carolina.

[00:11:58] And I think their true intentions are they – if you can not help Republicans become whole,

[00:12:05] it's not about just being worried about Trump supporters.

[00:12:07] If Trump supporters are in desperate need of food and water, they don't give a crap about getting out to vote.

[00:12:12] If you can make them whole –

[00:12:13] But they did vote.

[00:12:14] Get them to water toilet paper.

[00:12:15] Well, they can – well, they just happen to pull through.

[00:12:18] I mean, they're tough.

[00:12:19] They're tough.

[00:12:19] They got through even without FEMA's help.

[00:12:21] But FEMA, in their eyes, thinks if they can keep these people needing necessities, they're not going to worry so much about getting out to vote if they can't find water to drink.

[00:12:30] So they're slow –

[00:12:31] But they –

[00:12:31] They slow walk that.

[00:12:32] But they did.

[00:12:32] And I know you said it didn't have any evidence at the time.

[00:12:36] Right.

[00:12:36] And that's true.

[00:12:36] I don't.

[00:12:37] But when you know Democrats like me and you know how they are conscienceless people, most of them are, especially the ones up top.

[00:12:43] You don't get up top unless you're ruthless and without a conscience.

[00:12:47] You don't need evidence to know how these people think and operate.

[00:12:50] They don't –

[00:12:50] You do need evidence, though.

[00:12:51] They don't believe in God.

[00:12:52] No, but you do need evidence.

[00:12:54] Craig, you do need evidence.

[00:12:56] Well, the evidence is here now.

[00:12:57] Well, right.

[00:12:58] See, but that's the – but, Craig, that's the point is now there is evidence.

[00:13:03] Well, I'm just – I told you so, and I can say I told you so.

[00:13:06] But, Craig, you guessed it.

[00:13:09] And, by the way, you're also guessing everybody.

[00:13:12] You're guessing everybody.

[00:13:14] You're guessing every single person that's out there with FEMA, and that's obviously not the case because people blew the whistle on this woman.

[00:13:23] Not everybody, but it is an educated, a very educated guess.

[00:13:26] I've got about 30 years of experience.

[00:13:28] That's fine.

[00:13:28] It can be – Craig, it can be an educated guess.

[00:13:31] That's fine.

[00:13:31] I require evidence rather than guesses.

[00:13:35] Well, I mean, I can understand that.

[00:13:37] I can understand that, but I still gloat on you.

[00:13:39] Yeah.

[00:13:39] Well, yeah, go for it.

[00:13:40] Have fun.

[00:13:41] All right.

[00:13:41] Thanks, Craig.

[00:13:42] Yeah, appreciate you.

[00:13:43] According to the Daily Wire, employees at FEMA who followed the instructions from their supervisor, Marnie Washington, her orders were part of a – the employees, I should say, that got these orders.

[00:14:01] They were part of a Department of Homeland Security team that was made up of volunteers from other agencies.

[00:14:08] And so that's where the leaked screenshots came from.

[00:14:13] One of the workers said, quote,

[00:14:25] The person added that it was wrong to discriminate against Trump supporters when they were their, quote, most vulnerable.

[00:14:34] They said, quote,

[00:15:05] Contact per leadership.

[00:15:06] So they were making notes as to why they didn't go to someone's home.

[00:15:12] If they had a Trump sign in the front yard, they would pass it by.

[00:15:15] Now, we don't know how widespread this was, but this was obviously a directive that was coming from supervisors.

[00:15:21] All of them don't know.

[00:15:23] The one supervisor that we know of got fired by FEMA, but she says she's being scapegoated because FEMA actually has this as a policy where they have, quote,

[00:15:33] quote, avoidance first, then de-escalation.

[00:15:37] So if you go into an area that is hostile to you, to FEMA, then you retreat out.

[00:15:48] The Trump related remarks were reportedly deleted from the group chat a few days after they were posted.

[00:15:55] The head of FEMA said, I will continue to do everything I can to make sure this never happens again.

[00:16:00] Meanwhile, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has ordered a state investigation into this matter.

[00:16:09] Over her years in the job, Marnie Washington, the supervisor, and her team have also received hostile treatment from Biden and Harris supporters, too.

[00:16:20] And she says the same approach of disengaging and withdrawing has taken place.

[00:16:25] So.

[00:16:27] They do it also for Biden, Harris signs.

[00:16:30] That's what Washington is saying.

[00:16:33] And if you're going to believe her that they did it for the Trump signs.

[00:16:38] Then do you just.

[00:16:40] Ignore that they do it for Biden, Harris signs, too.

[00:16:43] I think it's a pretty stupid way to do any of it.

[00:16:46] But it is FEMA.

[00:16:47] So it's the government.

[00:16:51] So it's not surprising.

[00:16:52] Let me go over and talk with John.

[00:16:54] Hey, John, welcome to the show.

[00:16:56] Yeah, thanks.

[00:16:59] I can't speak to what this document says about what happened in Florida, but I can't speak to my personal experience of having lived in Spruce Pine and stayed through the hurricane a few days after and applied for FEMA myself.

[00:17:16] And gotten a visit from an inspector.

[00:17:20] First of all, why your question, why is there a problem with FEMA?

[00:17:27] Well, first of all, the culture of Western North Carolina outside of Asheville anyway is is very distrustful of the government, period.

[00:17:36] And it's also a culture of people that are very self-reliant and they don't want to depend on the government.

[00:17:43] And so there is that built into it.

[00:17:46] Right.

[00:17:47] True.

[00:17:47] There's also a lot of ignorance or I should say of what FEMA does.

[00:17:53] So, for example, a lot of people that I talked to said, oh, there's a 750 bucks that everyone gets.

[00:17:59] And they're like, 750 dollars.

[00:18:02] My house was destroyed.

[00:18:03] That's all they're going to give me.

[00:18:04] Screw them.

[00:18:05] I'm not even going to apply.

[00:18:06] When that 750 was just an initial, OK, here's some money to carry you over.

[00:18:12] Then you go through the process of applying for aid for your health because your insurance rejects your claim because you don't have flood insurance, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:18:22] So, honestly, it's a complicated process.

[00:18:25] But if you work through it, you can get your aid.

[00:18:28] No, I agree.

[00:18:29] And at the time when the $750 comment was made, who was it?

[00:18:35] Was it Harris that made the comment or something?

[00:18:37] I think it was Kamala Harris and everybody was just, you know, just railing on her and FEMA.

[00:18:43] It's only 750 and all this.

[00:18:45] And I made the very point that you just made as well.

[00:18:48] Like, that's just out the door money.

[00:18:51] It's, you know, give you this give you this money immediately to help.

[00:18:56] And, you know, part of it is also people are dealing with a traumatic experience.

[00:19:01] And, you know, sometimes people aren't thinking straight and they're upset and angry and scared.

[00:19:07] And so you've got a whole bunch of stuff going on there as well.

[00:19:10] So I think, yeah, I think what you've identified with the Western North Carolina culture, the mountain folk culture, absolutely is true.

[00:19:19] And the misinformation, or I won't say misinformation, but misunderstanding of what that 750 was supposed to be for and about, yeah, the process.

[00:19:29] And I kept trying to tell people, like, FEMA is a check writing kind of operation.

[00:19:34] Yeah, they think FEMA were supposed to be people that are actually helping them do stuff.

[00:19:39] They don't, they subcontract that.

[00:19:41] But we, I met with, I talked with so many people that were, like, supposedly charitable organizations, right?

[00:19:48] And they are.

[00:19:49] But guess where they get their money?

[00:19:51] They get their money from FEMA.

[00:19:53] But, you know, the guy told me we don't advertise that.

[00:19:56] I mean, they think that we're just here, you know, volunteering our time and our huge truck to give you free showers and free, you know, use of laundry services.

[00:20:05] Well, no, actually FEMA's paying us.

[00:20:08] It's a FEMA contract.

[00:20:09] So there's a lot of ignorance.

[00:20:12] Some of it's real.

[00:20:13] Some of it's, you know, brought on by, honestly, you know, talk about the tinfoil hat.

[00:20:20] I mean, the original theory was the government manipulated the weather to destroy Western North Carolina so they couldn't vote.

[00:20:28] And also because they want to get the lithium mines, which, by the way, are not in the mountains.

[00:20:33] They're in Kings Mountain near Charlotte.

[00:20:35] Right.

[00:20:35] I went over that as well.

[00:20:36] On top of the normal distrust.

[00:20:39] Right.

[00:20:39] Yeah.

[00:20:39] No, when the lithium mine lie started circulating, I covered that as well.

[00:20:45] Exactly to your point.

[00:20:46] People not knowing where Kings Mountain was or is and where that lithium mine is.

[00:20:52] And then there was the mine up in Spruce Pine also.

[00:20:54] Right.

[00:20:55] Where people were saying, oh, they, you know, they're going to take over that mine.

[00:20:58] And the mine company's like, no, we just sent our workers home.

[00:21:01] The Belgium-owned company, by the way.

[00:21:03] They're not going to let you get us.

[00:21:04] Right.

[00:21:04] So anyway, there's no excuse for FEMA saying don't go to people's houses.

[00:21:08] But if you work the process right, it works.

[00:21:12] And, you know, it's unfortunate that that memo came out and it's terrible.

[00:21:17] Right.

[00:21:18] Well, so here's right.

[00:21:20] So here's the problem is that it's a terrible metric to use to define and to identify a, quote, hostile area.

[00:21:28] Right.

[00:21:28] It's just it's a really bad idea.

[00:21:30] And I would say the same if they were, you know, if you had a Harris sign in your front yard or a Biden sign, just because somebody with a Biden sign, you know, got ornery with you doesn't mean that your neighbor with a Biden sign is going to do the same.

[00:21:41] That's just that.

[00:21:42] That's just stupid.

[00:21:42] Right.

[00:21:43] So it's just it's a bad metric for them to use.

[00:21:45] I understand why they would, as an agency, tell their people, avoid an area that's hostile to you.

[00:21:51] That makes sense.

[00:21:53] Sure.

[00:21:53] But that's not a metric to use.

[00:21:55] The signs are not a metric to use.

[00:21:57] Nope.

[00:21:57] Also, FEMA, you know, they've got because it's such a large organization, it's a government organization filled with bureaucrats that it's not going to be as efficient as it probably otherwise could be if it's being done in a different manner.

[00:22:14] And that's but that's all large organizations.

[00:22:16] And so we'll have an expectation that it's supposed to be a lot more effective and efficient than it is.

[00:22:21] And it's not.

[00:22:22] And it can't be exactly.

[00:22:23] Yeah.

[00:22:24] So, yeah, it's a confluence of a bunch of stuff.

[00:22:26] John, I do appreciate the call.

[00:22:30] The you know, people have memories of FEMA from Hurricane Katrina.

[00:22:34] And I remember after when Katrina hit and people were demanding all of these answers, you know, because George W. Bush's FEMA let all the people die.

[00:22:47] And that became a narrative that calcified as, quote, true.

[00:22:53] And.

[00:22:55] That has a long lasting impact.

[00:22:59] Because people who who are already suspicious of government, they are going to use that narrative as another piece of evidence.

[00:23:11] See, but at the time it was George W. Bush and there was a there was a benefit to the left in having that narrative calcify now.

[00:23:20] Now. Not so much 20 years.

[00:23:22] See, this is the problem.

[00:23:24] Right.

[00:23:24] When you advance these stories now, you don't know what this story is going to look like in another 10, 15, 20 years.

[00:23:31] This is not a defense of FEMA, by the way.

[00:23:33] Just pointing out, like in the media media ecosystem and the culture that we have.

[00:23:38] Like those those ideas became ingrained because they were amplified and regurgitated by, you know, legacy media outlets.

[00:23:48] That were, quote, truth tellers.

[00:23:50] Right.

[00:23:51] They were holding people accountable and all of that.

[00:23:54] Meanwhile, Ray Nagin with all the school buses underwater.

[00:23:57] He skates.

[00:23:59] You know.

[00:24:01] See, this is the problem when you have a media that advances narratives, not truth.

[00:24:06] Message from Mark, who says, Pete, regarding this FEMA stuff, Mark says, you never know.

[00:24:11] You may even find some truckloads of armed militia.

[00:24:16] It's true.

[00:24:17] Oh, I was just about to.

[00:24:19] OK, let's go to Jim.

[00:24:21] Hello, Jim.

[00:24:22] Welcome to the program.

[00:24:25] Jim.

[00:24:25] Hello.

[00:24:26] Hello.

[00:24:27] Hey, this is Jim.

[00:24:28] How are you?

[00:24:29] Hey, I'm good.

[00:24:30] This is Pete.

[00:24:31] Yes, sir.

[00:24:32] Yeah.

[00:24:33] Just had a few years back, you may remember with all the COVID, Samaritan's Purse actually set up a field hospital.

[00:24:41] I think it was in Central Park.

[00:24:43] Yeah.

[00:24:43] And I think they were pretty well welcomed initially, but then they were run off.

[00:24:48] I don't know if it was more of a kind of a sunset of cases or if it was just, OK, we've had our fill because you're, you know, a Christian organization.

[00:25:01] But I thought that was kind of ironic because that was definitely a kind of a desperate time.

[00:25:06] And I don't think that's the rule these days.

[00:25:09] But I guess political motivations don't surprise me, at least from governmental groups.

[00:25:14] Right.

[00:25:15] And if you have if you have government agencies that are staffed by people all of this same mindset, then the chances of this stuff getting out are reduced.

[00:25:24] Right.

[00:25:24] Right.

[00:25:24] If there is a political animosity being exhibited by an employee, then you need others to blow the whistle.

[00:25:32] And Jim, I appreciate I remember that story.

[00:25:34] And I believe it was because it was Samaritan's Purse.

[00:25:37] Let me get Marshall on.

[00:25:38] Hey, Marshall, welcome to the show.

[00:25:41] Hey.

[00:25:41] Hey.

[00:25:42] Enjoy the show, Pete.

[00:25:43] Thanks, man.

[00:25:43] I got about a minute.

[00:25:45] Yeah.

[00:25:45] So here it is.

[00:25:46] I got a friend of mine.

[00:25:48] I was a little small cabin in the mountains near Lambo, Vietnam, actually.

[00:25:53] And he didn't have flood insurance.

[00:25:56] He went and applied for FEMA.

[00:25:57] And he was turned down because, as they told him, that was not his permanent residence.

[00:26:04] So I don't know if you have any insight on that.

[00:26:07] I don't.

[00:26:08] But that would not surprise me.

[00:26:10] Yeah.

[00:26:11] So it's just sad.

[00:26:12] This guy, you know, served a long time in Vietnam.

[00:26:17] And, you know, he said, man, I just had to rebuild a little bit at a time.

[00:26:20] And actually, our friends of his go up and help him about every other weekend, kind of

[00:26:26] take care of things.

[00:26:27] But yeah, it's really upsetting, you know.

[00:26:30] Yeah.

[00:26:30] No, Marshall, I appreciate the call, man.

[00:26:33] That would not surprise me if they've got some rule like that where they don't help rebuild

[00:26:38] secondary residences.

[00:26:39] All right.

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