Engaging in the debate is the way we win (09-11-2025--Hour3)

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He was shot from distance at two hundred yards roughly from a rooftop by a gunman who laid in wait for him and according to law enforcement, had etchings or markings on the AMMO of transgender slogans and anti fascism slogans, or as CNN called it, cultural sayings. That's what they identified it as. There was a news conference apparently scheduled for twelve forty five Utah time, which would have been about fifteen minutes ago our time, but it was postponed due to quote rapid developments. So hopefully they caught him or her. I don't want him misgender. Actually, I will let me go over and get Joe on real quick. Hello, Joe, welcome to the program. Hey man, Yeah, your last done in the head that was screaming and hollering about this wasn't political. I mean, like you just said, how do you You're known by eighty five million people on social media followers and it's because you're a conservative Republican and that's what you do for a living, and it's not political. I just I don't get it. And your definition of assassiation a public figure, well, I don't know, you get more of a public figure besides the president. Let's got eighty five million followers. I don't you know? Again, just not rational, right, it's trying to search for an excuse to minimize and dismiss the importance. And honestly, I am encouraged by that kind of reaction that I have heard from sort of the usual suspect callers that we've gotten today. I'm encouraged because there is no argument that they are making that is cogent or coherent. There yet you yet, they know how bad this is, because they have just red pilled millions and millions of people and that may never look at a Democrat to vote forever again. Ever, Yeah, because I mean it's just it's we're getting sick and tired of this. I mean, I don't have it. Like Russia used to say, they can't win on the in the UH, in the debate of ideas, right, they have to stack the court, they have to cheat on UH elections, and now they've got to kill people because they're losing. They can't they can't win on their on the merits. Yeah. Leftism at its core is always about envy and force, yes, always, I mean that's what Marxism is and so. Exactly, I mean that's what the Castro was. Oh, you know, we're going to give you more of the rich people. You know, they're horrible, blah blah blah blah blah. Well, you know, if it wasn't for Cargie and Morgan and you know, our country would never be as great as it was. Well yeah, I mean again, but all of these historical figures that you just mentioned, they are all uh, you know, portions of good and bad because they were human beings, right, so they did exactly exactly right, right, they did good, they did. Yeah, and I loved I used to love rush with always at Thanksgiving, and that's coming up always. The real story of Thanksgiving is when they came over in the Mayflower. They actually set up a socialist government and it failed. It wasn't because they didn't know how to you know, some of it was they didn't know the lay at the land. But the reason it failed is for human nature. There was plenty of people that didn't want to work, and they kept taking from the common store, right, and they starved to death. And then they realized that was and work. Until then they set up basically a capitalistic. Yeah, private property. Yeah, they were like, okay, you can do what you want with your property and you can sell the access and you know, and then it thrived. It works, Yeah every time. You know, it's just because human nature is some people are going to be lazy and some people aren't, you know, Yeah, the best you know, and it's you know, there is no perfect system, but it's the best one on the planet because the other way doesn't work. And it's all about only the top get rich and only the top gets stuff, and all it does is bring everybody down to a low level. Yeah, the free market recognizes human nature. Marxism denies human nature, which is why you need force to make it to employ it, and that, of course leads to all of the body bags that Marxism has attached to its name. Joe, I appreciate the call, man, Yes, sir, good to hear from you. All right, let me go and talk with Bill. Hello Bill, Bill. Hello, Yes, thanks for taking my call. Yes, sir, a question, what. Was the motive of the man who attempted to assassinate President Trump in Pennsylvania? What was the motive of the man who oh the trumpet the Trump assassination in Butler? Yeah, we don't know. Okay, So how do we know the motive of the person who attempted to assassinate or did assassinate Charlie Kirk, Which is horrible, by the. Way, because we know more about the AMMO and the scrawlings that were. On the AMMO and what were the scrawlings. Transgender sayings and slogans and quote anti fascism slogans. Has anybody seen them? Anybody? It seems like you're trying to move the goalposts a little bit here, But I mean, has anybody seen any of the AMMO from the Butler shooting? Yeah? I just think that since this has happened, there's been assumptions that this person was anti Trump, and we don't know yet. No, No, I think he was anti Charlie Kirk. I did say anti Trump. I've never said anti Trump. I said this is I said that this is a political assassination. They targeted Charlie Kirk. I just think that when when each side calls each other evil, it's wrong. When each side tries to attribute this to Marxism, that's wrong. When someone calls me a moderate Democrat a Marxist, it troubles me because I'm conservative on on on national policy, I'm liberal on social policy. I am not and never will be a Marxist. Anybody who accused me of Marxist is wrong. When I vote for Democrats, I think painting with a broadbrush, using the word evil to apply to either side when we don't assume. I don't assume every Republican is evil, okay? You Democrats is evil? Or a Marxist buil? Do you differentiate between leftism and liberalism? Oh? Those are both loaded terms and the definitions are so broad you can't separate the two. So so you don't. You don't differentiate between being a leftist and being a liberal. I think the labels are all wrong. We're all pr Well, you called yourself a conservative, progress that label wrong. I'm progressive and liberal. Okay, So given liberal and think that we ought to we ought to take the most aggressive steps possible to end the war in Ukraine by penalizing Putin and Russia. Well that that depths possible. That's not progressive or liberal. There are conservatives that believe that too. That's my question is whether or not you make any kind of differentiation. No, because look, Donald Trump is a lifelong Democrat, Like I understand about the mixture of the labels. What he is. He was, that's not a lie. He was and he's not. He's not a conservative for that. No, for sure, I've been saying that for a decade. I've been saying that for a decade. But I don't understand what point you think that makes when you're not even willing to differentiate between a leftist and a liberal. I am leftist. Leftist sounds like Marxist, sounds like it is liberal? Can be? Do you think? Okay? So I will use your term that I So leftists are Marxists, they're communists. Okay, that's what a leftist is. Okay, So you and you're not? Okay? So do you think Marxism is evil? Yes? Okay? So if there were Marxists in the Democrat Party, would you call them evil? If you if they meet the definition of Marxism. Like if they were self described socialists, would that matter? AOC is not a Marxist, she's a socialist. She's liberal on social issue. No, she's a socialist either. She is a member of the Democrat Socialists of America. Your your job is so much easier to attract people to your view if you'd let with these the fairy. That's her label. She chose the label. She willingly joined that association. I didn't do that to her. So do you think so? Do you think you just said, Max. You said, I asked you if Marxism is evil. Marxist. I'm not asking about her, I'm asking about Marxism. Is it evil? It's evil? Okay? So if so, do you consider socialism to be Marxism? No, what's the difference. It's a spectrum? How like, what's the difference between socialism and Marxism? What? What's the spectrum under? What's the big umbrella that the spectrum lives under? Well, the point is no, no answer the. Question, Bill, No answer my question. I've heard your point. You've made it several different ways. I'm asking you said, it's a spectrum. I want to know what the name of that spectrum is. Political. That's ridiculous. That makes no sense at all. It's the political spectrum. No, So you're okay, So you're saying that. So you're saying that socialism and Marxism are different by degree not distinction. Oh, those are those are very similar words. They're both, they're both distinctive. They're different. And how for a degree? How how are they different? That's what I was asking. How is socialism different than Marxism? Uh? Well, I don't have a PhD in political science. You don't need one. You had, you had opinions about them being different, So I'm sure you know why they're different because you believe them to be different. You may feel like I've got ld I'm gonna cut him off now. No, I've already kept your long. I've already kept you two minutes too long. I'm asking you to define the difference, because you said there's a difference, Bill, So if there's a difference, tell me what it is. I believe that if you took all of the elements of socialism and stacked them up, and all of the elements of Marxism, you would and stack them up. What you would find is that the elements of Marxism are more extreme and severe, such as you're pure communist. Pure communism believes that there is no capitalism. Pure communism believes that it is only the group. Everybody takes from the group, everybody gives to the group. There's no individuality. Marxism is more like that than socialism. Bernie Sanders, he says he's a socialist. I'm not sure, but he's not a Marxist. It's not a communist. You still haven't told me what the difference between Marxism and socialism is you went to communism, which, by the way, that is Marxism as well. So like you're you're all over the place. It sounds like, Bill, it sounds like what you're telling me is that is that socialism is sort of a light version of communism. It's correct. It's a good version, no. Good, good and bad, loaded good and bad, love and terms, all. Right, so it's it's a neutral version. I did call you evil. I'm trying to figure out how you are so sure of these terms and the philosophies and you're taking offense to being called evil when no one's called you evil. I'm so, I'm trying to figure out how you have become so sure of these things yet don't know the underlying definitions of the things that have so offended you. I'm going to go spend a couple of hours and I'm going to drop you an email. Okay, I'm gonna say, yeah. You do that. You're the difference, all right, you do that. Explain to me the difference there. I appreciate it. Bill, have a great day. So when I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, and before he died, my mom and my dad took care of him as he got worse. Forty years ago, there were no treatments and not much support for caregivers and family. 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There are a lot of people, particularly older people, that do not understand who Charlie Kirk was and what he meant for a lot of young people in America. Here's another one. He goes by the name of coddled affluent professional. On Twitter, he says, I mean this and everything else. The reputational threats, the coercion, the censorship apparatus, the relentless media propaganda, the constant lies and dissembling. It's all downstream of constant losing. I think what we're seeing for the first time in decades is real politics where major material interests and real power are at stake. For a long time, electing a Democrat or a Republican did not change the direction we were heading. It just changed the pace. And a lot of liberal activism was predicated on the idea of hurrying up historical progress that they supposed was inevitable anyway. Well that's all up for grabs now, along with a tremendous amount of cultural power and social authority. So Libs feel their interests are being threatened on all sides. A lot of this has to do with factors besides explicit partisan politics, like technological succession and post war ideological dispensations being well beyond their expiration date. But Trump and MAGA are the most concrete and perceptible manifestations of these threats, and that's why we have political violence and nat SEK plotting against the president, and state censorship and libs screaming about how Nazism and authoritarianism are undermining their democracy. This is all to say that right now there's quite a lot on the table and politics are very meaningful. There's a lot that's very ugly. But to a great degree that has to do with the stakes being so high. Game on Week one starts now and every touchdown brings you closer to a payout. 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You rarely hear a conservative complain about being called conservative, which is a great point, Kenny, Thank you. People call me, oh, you're just a capitalist, Oh you're a conservative, Oh you're a libertarian. Whatever. I get called these names, and it's like, yeah, I don't ever run from those labels, just like they do generally define. Now, if someone says, oh, you're a Republican, okay, well I'm not that. I'm not a registered Republican, but I do vote more Republican. They represent more of my views, way more than the Democrats do. But I'm not a registered Republican. But for some reason, friends on the left, they're always swapping out their names progressive liberal, Well I guess that's it, really progressive liberal. They swap They go back and forth trying to think of the others. I mean, they'll just say, oh, you know, democrat, I'm a conservative Democrat whatever, So they try to come up with the different labels. They don't like socialists or Marxist or communists. They don't like any of these things. Even as their party is being infiltrated and taken over by Democrats, Socialists of America candidates, they're not. They are unable to fight back against those candidates that that philosophy because truth be told, they are they are closer to that than or No. I shouldn't say that, because I do believe in the Dennis Praeger axiom on this, which is that conservatives vot vote their principles, leftists vote their principles, but liberals do not because they don't want to acknowledge that they're actually closer to Republicans or conservatives than they are to the leftists. Let me go over and get Alex on. Hello Alex, thanks for hanging on. Welcome to the show. Yeah, so, I just I want to kind of give I guess my opinion out for what it's worth. Sure, So just all up on the guy that you just spoke to. I mean, I kind of see where he's coming from. I do not I mean I don't subscribe too much with Charlie Kirby's to say, I don't think I don't agree to some of the things you say on this program and some of them on this radio station. I think, you know, if you have to look at sort of Marxists, and you know a lot of labels that I do see they do come home from the right of them from the left, but maybe some degrees to the left as well, but. No, not maybe Alex. I'll stop you right there. Have you heard the terms nazi? Have you heard the term yeah, fascist but racist, but texist, omophobe, xenophobe, islamophobe. I mean, yeah, yeah, no, I get that, and I don't. I mean, there's nobody's Naza. I mean, nasi's very hard having to earned. I don't think there's a lot of sort of maybe self described Marxism, but they're not really Marxist. So I would well, I would venture, but I would. I would simply say this, though, is that the use of those terms against your fellow Americans, calling them, not saying that you personally, but using those kinds of terms. Understand not just the people, that's just the people who don't understand what's Nazis were, I mean. The well, but also fascists authoritarian, I mean it's totalitarian. It's I I would actually be okay with totilitarian to a degree. Sure you would to, yeah, but but not but to a degree again, I mean, yeah, remember who was it? Who? But who was it that shut down all of the all of the governments and such? Who was it that did the mask mandates and the who is it that did the uh, the the shot the vaccine mandates? That would you consider that to be totalitarian? I'm sorry, but with those due respect, I never really had any problems with that because some sort of she's done for the greater good of country. There you go. You can have that debate, you can have the debate, but. My point, I believe it's not a debate. Alex, you're proving my point. Okay, Well, I mean I feel like that was gone for the better of society, right, which is sort of. That's what and that's what people on the left always believe. Well, I mean, we can always talk about what Christian nationalism is and things like that and what they believe and how crazy that is. But what I did want to talk about is this. I look again, I like I said before, I don't I don't really subscribe to anything what Charlie Kirk was saying. Of course he's not. This is the stupidest thing ever. It's a senseless act that really does not serve any purpose to anybody. It is absolutely idiotic thing that anybody could do. And it's just there's really no there's nothing you can say really about it. From my perspective anyway, what what what? What sort of struck me? Is just typical. And again, maybe this is going to be problem in popular opinion, but this could have been something that at the very least Trump could have shown and and and show some sort of humility and understanding that this country is very much divided. I guarantee you if this would have been a situation where Obama, Biden, Trump, anybody except for Trump and not Trump, I'm sorry Bush, they would have come out and they would have been a statement trying to bring the country together. It would have been a statement, not. Yeah, Alex, I'm going to stop Alex. No, I got you. I'm going to stop you there, hang on, hang on, hang on, Alex, I'm gonna stop you there. And I'm going to tell you that we are past that point. But but this is the job of a president to come this country. We did horrible stupid. Did not saying happened? Why No, his statement came out and he was just lambasting Democrats, lambasting left Wilkins, left, left and right. It is that was wrong. That was just a stupid This was the opportunity, a horrible opportunity, stupid opportunity should not have come around. But if this is this was the moment for him to step up and be a leader that you people think he is. This was that she should not have come out of the way he did. I am shocked to learn that Trump did not fulfill your expectations. But exactly but what. He never would, he never can. This is why. See So here is this what I mean, Alex, Yesterday's assassination of charge Alex stop, stop, stop stop, Alex stop Alex. Okay, stop there you go. Now you are stopped. This is the thing. Yesterday's assassination of Charlie Kirk has reoriented our society. You may not realize it. You may maybe you do, and maybe that's what you're kind of nervous about right now. But everything has shifted, The vibe has shifted, and we had presidents Republican presidents that would always dutifully go up and say the things that you wanted Donald Trump to say, even though if he had said them, I'm sure that would not have sufficiently been adequate for you either. But I don't know. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that, yeah, maybe Trump could have surprised you and you would have said, did a good job there, Donald, But Republicans in the past have said the very thing that you want Trump to have said, and we keep seeing these types of attacks. It's not working. So you guys on the left are going to have to rain in your leftist nut jobs. That is on you. Meanwhile, the Trump administration, I suspect, is going to use the full force of the federal government and the DOJ to start cracking down on these left wing organizations and agitators, at least I hope. So I appreciate the call. Alex. 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Like, I actually have that clip. I have the clip. I can play it for you. I think, Well, Nick, producer, Nick back in the studio, do you have the uh do you have the clip? It's Kirk on Christian Nation is the name of the clip. All right, let's fire it up for Mary. This is what she's talking about. Feels found on common law because the Declaration only refers to God four times in the Constitution, doesn't refer to God at all, and it only articulates the structure of government. So first of all, remember that we were a collection of states and colonies, and you need to read the state constitutions or anything else. Thirteen or thirteen required a declaration of faith. In almost every single one of the original state constitutions, they had I profess Lord in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Secondly, fifty five and fifty six of the original assigners of the declaration or Bible believing church tending Christians. If you ask about common law, let's go to three principles of common law, assumption of medicense, due process, and dur of your peers, all three of biblical principles, so and all wrapped into the ultimate Biblical principle that you shall not favor justice if you are richer report, which is in Leviticus nineteen, which is the idea of blind justice, which is incorporated also in the New Testament ideal. Neither slave, nor Greek nor jew You're all one in Jesus Christ, as you have to edip human equality. These are all Biblical ideas. But more importantly than that, they say that God was only mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence. Well that's a big deal. John Adams seamlessly said the Constitution was only written for a moral and religious people. It was wholly inadequate for the people of any other The body politic of America was so Christian that our form and structure of government was built for the people that believed in. Christ, our Lord. One of the reasons we're living through a constitutional crisis is that we no longer have a Christian nation, but we have a Christian form of government, and they're incompatible. So you cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population. All right, So whether you agree with that or not, does it matter. But he makes the case and he engages people with those facts and with the philosophy. Well, here's the thing. I mean, I think the part where it's not agree or not is the part that it's pure fact, that it is our history. And I just think that the undermining of this fact that that's like it or not, the fact is that is how our nation was founded on those ideals and principle. So like the schools that are not teaching that are failing our students because they're leaving out the fundamentals of this form of government. And I believe that's the job that we have before us, is to really go after the education system and make it staptual. Like I met a lobbyist who's trying to get church and state separated more. I met her in the Bahamas and she talked about like how they were trying to get the Ten Commandments out of Alabama, how that's the new thing they're fighting. And I said, hey, I think you're on the wrong side of this battle. The founders were way more Christians than you think, and their intent was never to eliminate that. It was to always keep it pure. And it gave us the best economy in the world so quickly. That's going to be taught, right, Well, it unleashed the potential of all human beings, right, that's the idea. That's what the free market capitalist system does. It releases all potential to allow people to pursue things that interest them. Yes, for self interest, but also if you make something that nobody wants, you're not going to be You're not going to make any profits. So you are incentivized to make something that people want and need that betters the society. That's the beauty of it. Now, does that mean everything ever invented is for the good of society? No, there are some bad things. Obviously, we are all humans, and humans do bad stuff, you know, that's. But the invisible hand, you know, the invisible hand of the economy is the whole basis of what's going to succeed. Right, that invisible hand, thing like what's necessary will rise to the top and succeed. Just what you said. And Harvard, of course started as a divinity school, and their logo was changed. You know, it was a divinity school before it was a secular university, and their logo had been changed when it changed secular. The three Open Books, they started out as the two open books in the crest, with the one on the top as a as a book facing downward, and that symbolized that we are to get all of our scholarly knowledge that we can from study on earth, but there is some knowledge that only comes from Heaven, from God himself. That's what the Harvard logo was. And of course the secular movement that's been now defining our time as very ungodly, it started at those universities and it pushed God out. Mary, I got a right. I do appreciate the call good to hear from you. Thanks so much. I will close real quick. Obviously. It is September eleventh, going into nine to eleven. It's always a tough time of year for a lot of people. It's already a heavy time of year. This day is filled with sorrow and remembrance and memories, and obviously now after the murder of Charlie Kirk, the murder of the Arenas, the Routska on the train. So if you are of the praying kind of a person, please say some prayers for all those in pain, for comfort and for strength. Brett Warnable's up next. I will see you tomorrow. Don't break anything while I'm gone. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 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