Election (D)enialism is (D)ifferent when Democrats (D)o it!! (03-26-2024--Hour2)

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[00:00:30] 10 minutes. So we're going to go up to about 15 past, maybe 60 depending on when I stop

[00:00:35] talking. Um, the biggest issue that the hosts on NBC have according to them is that

[00:00:44] Ron McDaniel being hired on as a contributor participated in election denialism, not

[00:00:52] just a river in Egypt. And I thought I would just present to you 10 minutes of Democrats

[00:00:58] denying election results. You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee

[00:01:05] and you can have the election stolen from you. Oh my goodness. How can you win with Russian

[00:01:12] interference though? That's a real thing. I'm scared about it 2020, but rightly. Because

[00:01:16] I think you're the illegitimate president that didn't really win. So how do you, you know,

[00:01:20] fighting instead in 2020? You are absolutely right. He's an illegitimate president in my mind.

[00:01:25] Would you be my vice president? Folks look, I absolutely agree. From then actually win

[00:01:31] the election in 2016, he lost the election and he was put in office because of Russia's

[00:01:37] interference. Trump knows he's an illegitimate president. The president, or elect, although

[00:01:41] legally elected is not with jittery. No, it is. John Lewis. President, he left as a legitimate

[00:01:47] president. You said you believe Dr. Russia's interference altered the outcome of the election.

[00:01:52] I do. We have a president who is infected as part of Russia's fudge has been assisted

[00:01:57] by the Russians that may in fact not be a legitimate president. The one thing that Trump

[00:02:02] is fearful of when it comes to his being president is that finally we will see how illegitimate

[00:02:09] his victory actually was. I have an objection. I object to the 15 votes from the state

[00:02:13] of North Carolina. I object because people are horrified. He's an illegitimate president.

[00:02:18] Do you believe Trump is illegitimate president? What I believe is that there's no question

[00:02:22] that the outcome of this election was affected by the Russian interference. There absolutely

[00:02:26] is a cloud of illegitimate seeds. So that legitimacy is a question. Yes. So that was a very

[00:02:31] tainted election and in that sense it's illegitimate. Why do you think the president is going

[00:02:36] to such great lengths to essentially prove that he beat you? Because he knows he didn't.

[00:02:41] He knows he's an illegitimate president. Stolen emails. Stolen drone. Karin, jump here.

[00:02:47] An election. Welcome to the world of unprecedented Trump. Did you believe President Trump is an illegitimate

[00:02:54] president?

[00:02:58] Face on what I just said was I can't retract. In the Russian attempt to have the election

[00:03:04] and frankly the FBI is weighing in on the election. I think make it makes his election illegitimate.

[00:03:09] There was a widespread understanding that this election was not on the level. We still don't

[00:03:16] know what really happened Isaac. I mean there's just a lot that I think will be revealed. History

[00:03:22] will discover but you don't win by three million votes and have all this other shenanigans stuff

[00:03:29] going on and not come away with an idea like whoa something's not right here. The outcome of the

[00:03:35] election was affected by their interference and now we need to know to what degree if any the

[00:03:40] Trump campaign was actually in collusion with the Russia. He knows he's an illegitimate president.

[00:03:47] So of course he's obsessed with me and I believe that it's a guilty conscience. We actually won

[00:03:53] the last presidential election phone. Terry McCall. And I'll go or win that election. I think he won

[00:03:59] anyway. Actually I think I could hear it for Bush versus Gore. Oh a court took away a presidency.

[00:04:08] All the votes were counted in Florida. The alcohol would be present today and George Bush

[00:04:13] will be backing on. I come from Florida where you and others participate in what I call

[00:04:19] the United States coup d'etat. There's no doubt in my mind that alcohol was elected president.

[00:04:24] I rise to object to the fraudulent 25 Florida electoral votes. I must object because of the

[00:04:30] overwhelming evidence of official misconduct. Delivery fraud and attempt to tear us for a line.

[00:04:37] It is signed by myself on behalf of my diverse constituents and the millions of Americans who

[00:04:42] have been disenfranchised by Florida's inaccurate vote count. The Supreme Court, not the people

[00:04:47] of the United States, the side of this election. Speaking to a Democratic group in Chicago,

[00:04:51] James, that he made it clear he thinks Al Gore was the winner. The time it was over.

[00:04:57] Our candidate won the popular vote and all the way they could win the election was to stop the

[00:05:02] voting in Florida. Catherine Harris, Jeff Bush, Jim Baker and the Supreme Court hand

[00:05:10] tampered with the results. Al Gore would be president. The Supreme Court elected the president.

[00:05:16] Yes, I'll go or won the state of Florida at 2000 although not the presidency.

[00:05:19] But the Supreme Court, Nampert, met the large chart. The Supreme Court stopped the

[00:05:24] county and the votes and if they let the county go on, Al Gore would have gotten necessary votes.

[00:05:29] The Supreme Court selected George W. Bush as the president. He was not elected.

[00:05:36] There is overwhelming evidence that George W. Bush did not win this election.

[00:05:41] What I observed as a voter, as a citizen of Illinois four years ago were troubling evidence

[00:05:48] of the fact that not every vote was being counted. Don't think that George W. Bush won the election

[00:05:54] in 2000, I guess they'll go because I think he probably lost Florida and also that nation might.

[00:06:01] If you invite me back on this show in about eight weeks, I think you're going to learn

[00:06:04] that Al Gore actually did get all the votes there.

[00:06:06] The Court has been thwarting formations of popular will, the most spectacular example being

[00:06:10] Bush versus Gore where the majority by five for a vote, enjoying the counting

[00:06:15] of more than 100,000 ballots in Florida and essentially gave America its first court

[00:06:19] appoint to president.

[00:06:24] Jesse Jackson 2000, everybody thought well he did win the election Al Gore.

[00:06:29] After the election when you stole the election you came back here and say get over it.

[00:06:34] No we're not going to get over it.

[00:06:36] You know it I know it they know it we won that election.

[00:06:40] Constantly shifting vote tallies in Ohio and malfunctioning at one electronic machines

[00:06:48] which may not have paper receipts have led to additional loss of confidence by the public.

[00:06:53] The right to vote has been stolen from qualified voters.

[00:06:56] In 2004 the democratic process was thwarted.

[00:07:00] The 2004 presidential election in Ohio was riddled with unnecessary problems.

[00:07:05] Some machines malfunctioned for us to be counted more than once or not at all.

[00:07:10] Based upon and inordinate number of allegations suggesting gross voting rights violations

[00:07:16] and misconduct I joined with my colleagues and objected to counting the state of Ohio's

[00:07:22] electoral votes.

[00:07:23] As in 2000 the votes have many who wanted to vote were not in fact counted.

[00:07:27] This last Friday night I arranged to meet Senator Kerry at a fundraiser

[00:07:31] to give him a copy of my book.

[00:07:33] He told me he now thinks the election was stolen.

[00:07:35] The wife of John Kerry said she has lingering doubts about the legitimacy of the election.

[00:07:40] Her theory goes like this to brothers she calls hard right Republicans

[00:07:45] own 80% of voting machines in the US.

[00:07:48] Therefore it would be easy to hack into the mother machines that control the electronic voting.

[00:07:54] There were numerous irregularities in Ohio including large percentages of rejections

[00:08:00] of provincial valedine problems with voting machines.

[00:08:03] As we look at our election system I think it's fair to say that there are many legitimate questions

[00:08:10] about its accuracy, about its integrity.

[00:08:14] There are still legitimate concerns over the integrity of our elections.

[00:08:19] I agree with tens of millions of Americans who I'll

[00:08:22] walk very worried that when they cast a ballot on an electronic voting machine

[00:08:28] that there is no paper trail to record that vote.

[00:08:33] The numerous irregularities that occurred with the electronic voting machines

[00:08:39] in Ohio on November the 2nd of last year point to an unresolved national crisis.

[00:08:45] We cannot declare that the election of November 2nd 2004 was free and clear and transparent

[00:08:51] and real there must be independent testing of the voting machines used in Ohio.

[00:08:56] I'm not confident that the election in Ohio was fairly decided.

[00:09:00] We know that there was substantial voter suppression

[00:09:03] and the machines were not reliable.

[00:09:05] The members of Congress who have brought this challenge are speaking up for their

[00:09:09] agreed constituents many of whom may have been disenfranchised in this process.

[00:09:14] Treating today's electoral vote count in Congress as a meaningless ritual would be an insult

[00:09:20] to our democracy unless we registered our own protest against the obviously flawed voting process

[00:09:26] that took place in so many of our states.

[00:09:28] Voters who wish to cast a vote for President or Vice President

[00:09:32] can't approach the polls with certainty that their vote will be counted.

[00:09:37] One of the most significant problems in Ohio and in many other states

[00:09:41] was the lack of measures to ensure the integrity of electronic voting machines.

[00:09:45] In 2004 they caused Democratic voters in Ohio to wait for 8 hours before they could

[00:09:52] cast their ballot.

[00:09:53] Our dean, they turned the Department of Civil Rights of the Justice Department into the

[00:09:57] voter suppression division with voter ID laws, voter purging, voter caging, voter intimidation.

[00:10:03] There aren't going to be any more election stealing.

[00:10:06] And five the...

[00:10:07] Oh, Stacey Abrams.

[00:10:08] My Cali and the inauguration and the situation behind ourselves and I think have one

[00:10:14] very permanent statement to make.

[00:10:17] Without voter suppression,

[00:10:20] Stacey Abrams would be the governor of Georgia.

[00:10:24] Andrew Gillam is the governor of Florida.

[00:10:28] You refuse to concede and say that you lost.

[00:10:31] Do you stand by that decision today?

[00:10:33] Absolutely.

[00:10:34] The election was not fair, the process was not fair.

[00:10:37] If Stacey Abrams doesn't win in Georgia they stolen.

[00:10:39] It's clear.

[00:10:40] It's clear.

[00:10:41] I think that Stacey Abrams election is being stolen from her.

[00:10:43] It was not a free and fair election.

[00:10:45] Brian Kemp stole the gubernatorial election from Georgians and Stacey Abrams.

[00:10:49] That's Karin Jean-Pierre's tweet, these readings.

[00:10:51] The election was not tainted.

[00:10:53] Was not a disinvestment and a disenfranchisement of thousands of voters.

[00:10:57] I will not say that.

[00:11:00] So election denialism is the reason NBC is very upset at Ronna McDaniel being hired.

[00:11:06] Just want to be clear about that?

[00:11:07] Okay, that's the reason.

[00:11:08] Right.

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[00:13:10] Joseph says, Pete what audience does Ron McDaniel bring in to NBC?

[00:13:16] I figured her hiring was a payoff for the poor job she did leading the GOP the last few years.

[00:13:23] Well now that's actually that would explain it like NBC says, hey you know what,

[00:13:28] you did such a bang up job, bang it up the GOP like driving it into the ditch backing up hitting

[00:13:35] that tree then like crossing the center line going head on into another vehicle like bang up work

[00:13:41] great work. We're going to give you this $300,000 a year golden parachute for you.

[00:13:49] That's possible. No apparently she developed a good relationship with one of the NBC

[00:13:58] leaders who turn her remember where she came out of first but they had they crossed paths before

[00:14:08] but they got into know each other doing work during something as it might have been during

[00:14:13] the pandemic or something. I forget, but she got close with one of these NBC haunches and that

[00:14:19] she was the that made the difference, but she was apparently in talks serious talks with ABC

[00:14:26] as well as CNN to become a contributor. But Joseph raises the very good question like who is her

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[00:15:25] when the lights go out? Jen Pissacchi who you may recall used to work for Obama and for the Joe Biden

[00:15:33] administration. So kind of awkward that all the NBC and MSNBC and CNBC hosts are all very

[00:15:44] angry over the hiring of Ronald McDaniel. And I will get back to this question of who her constituency is.

[00:15:53] Like who's the audience? Who's who's interested to hear what she has to say and what kind of

[00:15:57] connections and all that? Okay, so I will get back to that. But this is Jen Pissacchi because now she

[00:16:03] has to address this thing because everybody with any kind of hosting chair at NBC and MSNBC or

[00:16:10] CNBC, they're all commenting on the hiring of Ronald McDaniel and how it's the worst thing ever.

[00:16:16] And she's kind of sitting there like well yeah, I mean I used to you know work for the White House

[00:16:24] and then another White House too but it was totally different because it's different. You may

[00:16:29] see some news over the last few days about the hiring of former RNC chair Ronald McDaniel.

[00:16:34] I have NBC news contributor. I did. I saw that. And some mainly in the right wing ecosystem

[00:16:39] have made the comparison to others who have come from government or politics into the media.

[00:16:43] Hmm, including me. Yeah. And that is a comparison I felt like I had to address. Oh good call.

[00:16:49] I got into public service for the same reason that many people do yeah to serve the American people.

[00:16:54] Oh, I thought it was the money. I wrote to my first political campaign when I was just 24 years old.

[00:16:58] When I was 28 I packed my bags I moved to Chicago to work for Barack Obama. To make it different.

[00:17:03] He wanted to make the country a better place. Oh, and I wanted to help him. I wanted to work on

[00:17:07] behalf of the American people to try to make their lives better. That's why I did campaigns.

[00:17:12] And a few years later I would do the same thing for President Biden when I went to work for him in

[00:17:17] the White House. He wrote. I was in the room for tough debates, for difficult decisions,

[00:17:21] for the messy and at times incredibly grueling process of governing. Oh my god. And that experience

[00:17:27] is something that I am extremely proud of. She's a government agent into this network.

[00:17:31] And there are many others who have followed a similar path. So I have a great deal of respect for.

[00:17:36] She's reading this entire thing. Yeah, tell me that kind of experience only matters. Yeah.

[00:17:41] And only has value to viewers all of you. Yeah. If it is paired with honesty and with good faith.

[00:17:48] Those qualities are especially important right now at a time when our institutions are under attack

[00:17:53] Oh, good. And when our democracy is in danger because of the lies that people like

[00:17:59] Rhonda McDaniel have pushed on this country. Not you not.

[00:18:02] The quote list, Cheney. Rhonda facilitated Trump's corrupt fake electric plot and his effort to

[00:18:07] pressure Michigan officials not to certify the legitimate election outcome. She spread his lies

[00:18:12] and called January 6th legitimate political discourse. Look, this isn't about Republicans versus

[00:18:19] Democrats. No. This isn't about red versus blue. No. This is about truth versus lies.

[00:18:25] Service to the country versus service to one man committed to toppling our democratic system.

[00:18:31] Oh, that is the type of experience that Rhonda McDaniel brings to the table.

[00:18:35] And that experience does not get us to a deeper understanding of anything in the public debate.

[00:18:42] I don't believe you. All right, so I don't believe anything this woman says because I watched her as

[00:18:48] as a, as a flag for Biden. So oh, by the way, speaking of lies and Joe Biden,

[00:18:58] the political origin story that Joe Biden has been telling for 40 years is apparently you may

[00:19:03] want to sit down for this. Not true. It's apparently a lie. Uh-huh. His first big case right at a

[00:19:12] law school. Yeah, he was, he wasn't actually at a law school and the case wasn't his.

[00:19:18] And it actually went the opposite way. But other than that, totally nailed it.

[00:19:24] I will get a, I'll circle back to that for you, Jen.

[00:19:30] Jack Schaefer is political senior media writer. He says Chuck Todd laid down a barrage of verbal

[00:19:37] spitfire NBC news bosses owed the current host Kristen Wilker in apology for foisting Rhonda McDaniel

[00:19:44] on the show. It put a glaring spotlight on one of the fundamental flaws embedded in the modern news

[00:19:50] ecosystem and cable news in particular, the toxic revolving door between political operatives

[00:19:56] and mainstream media. I'm old enough to remember when Rush Limbaugh talked about this. Like,

[00:20:03] I don't know 25 years ago when it was, when it was rampant, but only for one particular party.

[00:20:11] Why did the McDaniel hiring blow up into a full scale conflagration for end? That's by the way,

[00:20:18] another word for fire. If you don't want to use the word blaze, use the word conflagration.

[00:20:25] Unlike some other episodes that quickly fade away, what would make this one different? Once again,

[00:20:29] thanked Donald Trump. The press has struggled with how to cover Trump since he first launched his

[00:20:34] presidential candidacy in 2015 all the way through this 2024 campaign. It also hasn't

[00:20:41] forgotten Trump and his lieutenants constant attacks on journalists. As another meet the press show

[00:20:47] guest Kimberly Atkins store told Wilker McDaniel's credibility was shot, adding accurately that

[00:20:54] McDaniel quote, habitually joined Trump in attacking the press members of the press, including this

[00:21:00] network in a way that put journalists at risk in danger. Unlike say Brett Kavanaugh, you can accuse him

[00:21:09] of running gang rape, trains and stuff. Yeah, that's totally fine. And then somebody shows up to

[00:21:16] murder him in his neighborhood. You bear no responsibility for that. Back to the political piece,

[00:21:24] as noted above, rather than being an aberration, the hiring of a political like McDaniel by a news

[00:21:29] organization and the resulting upchuck of outrage is a well-groved template. News outlets have been

[00:21:36] hiring politicians from the tainted to the radioactive for more than half a century. Television

[00:21:42] news networks and even the New York Times have been recruiting political operatives for a long time.

[00:21:47] LBJ's top A Bill Moyas who became a CBS news journalist 1976. He was party to a Johnson

[00:21:55] administration mission to hunt gay people in the White House. In 1973, the New York Times gave

[00:22:03] Nixon speechwriter William Sapphire a column prompting David Halberstam to write a letter of protest.

[00:22:12] Let's see here. He's got a list. Shall we run through it? Briefly, this is not all inclusive.

[00:22:18] We've got Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, Carl Rove, John K. Sikdana,

[00:22:24] Perino and Ben Carson. That's just on Fox News. Then we've also got Diane Sawyer, Chris Matthews,

[00:22:29] Joe Scarborough, Tim Russell, Susan Molenari, Mary Madeline, Baby Cannon, Pat Buchanan, Paul Bagala,

[00:22:36] Sarah Izger, Van Jones, Al Sharpton, Bill Bradley, D.D. Myers, Jennifer Granholm, David Axelrod,

[00:22:43] David Gergen, Donna Brazil, Lawrence O'Donnell, Nicole Wallace, George Stephanopoulos, Mick Mulvaney,

[00:22:49] Cory Lewandowski and let's not forget the NEPO baby Chelsea Clinton herself. And that's just

[00:22:57] a short list. How did we get here? He says, hunger for commentary has prompted the networks to

[00:23:07] hire newsmakers and former newsmakers to keep them in the network stall so they can comment on

[00:23:13] news because it's more economically efficient than going out and finding fresh and knowledgeable,

[00:23:20] unpaid sources. That's the key here, unpaid sources. Okay? You get wind of a rumor or something,

[00:23:26] you got to go find a source. You can't pay them because you're a news person. But if you just

[00:23:31] hire somebody who has connections, then you can get the information confirmed from them

[00:23:39] and they're on your payroll and they're not going to give that to anybody else.

[00:23:44] Right? But this is part of the problem here because what is Rhonda bringing to the table?

[00:23:50] Right? Who is she talking to that she's able to get the insider info? Is it Trump world?

[00:23:57] Is Trump world going to be giving her a whole bunch of scoops? I'm not so sure. How about the

[00:24:04] grassroots? Do they love Rhonda McDaniel? That's so sure. All right, so back to this Jack

[00:24:12] Schaefer piece at Politico talking about NBC news hiring Rhonda McDaniel and you know,

[00:24:18] Chuck Todd from the meat the press formerly of meat the press. You know, very angrily denounced it all

[00:24:25] on Sunday. And Schaefer asks what's the principle because Chuck Todd opposes hiring Rhonda McDaniel,

[00:24:34] but he was happy to have her on as a guest when he was doing the show, right? So it was the principle

[00:24:39] here that it's okay for NBC to showcase unpaid guests who have an offbeat relationship with the

[00:24:45] truth. So to speak, but you definitely can't hire them. Well, I can have you on the program and

[00:24:51] I can talk with you and interview you and all that, but you can't be paid to sit next to me.

[00:24:58] His outburst also cloaks the controversy in the truth, but that it should be or sorry,

[00:25:05] cloaks the controversy in the protective camouflage of dissent from the corporate executives,

[00:25:10] perhaps dissipating some of that anger on the center and the left. But it assumes that NBC news

[00:25:16] doesn't buckle against the criticism and cuts ties with McDaniel than the company still can deflect

[00:25:21] some of the criticism that MSNBC tilts left during most of its broadcast day. They could say we're

[00:25:28] not partisan. See, we have Rhonda McDaniel working for us. The problem with her appointment

[00:25:36] is that unlike regular politicians, he says she has no constituency of her own.

[00:25:43] Right. Maga doesn't like her or respect her. Neither do Democrats. So who's she drawing to the

[00:25:48] TV screen? Can she dependably tow the Trumpian line because not even Trump knows what the Trumpian

[00:25:56] line is going to be day-to-day. So how can she keep up? Then there was this from another article

[00:26:06] in Politico if they had the host to all upset that they were not consulted before she was hired,

[00:26:11] right? Several NBC political reporters say they would have told their bosses that she was not

[00:26:16] the prize that they thought she was and their argument was this. Rhonda McDaniel has no juice

[00:26:24] with the anti-Trump wing of the party. Right? The anti-Trumpers don't like her.

[00:26:33] Rhonda McDaniel is not close to GOP leaders in Congress and if the point is to give NBC viewers

[00:26:39] more insight into Trump world, then why turn to the person that Trump just ousted from the RNC?

[00:26:47] The Trump campaign was quietly celebrating. Chuck Todd's evisceration of McDaniel yesterday asked

[00:26:54] for a comment, a top Trump official said quote, of course I want to gloat online. I just don't think

[00:27:01] doing so moves any votes our way. You know it's this whole disciplined campaign thing.

[00:27:10] Right. So who is going to tune in to be like I got to know what Rhonda McDaniel says about this.

[00:27:16] Man, she's going to have some real good insight about this. Man, she's got all those connections

[00:27:20] that she's going to be able to dial and maybe she does. I don't know. I'm not going to watch

[00:27:23] to find out. I mean, that just may personally you are free to behave as you wish.

[00:27:31] Russ says, Hey guys, the normies aren't buying the whole left-right Republican Democrat thing anymore.

[00:27:37] Let's call whatever we do the truth and whatever they do lies and we'll see how that goes.

[00:27:42] And to Russ's point, the commentator Sunni Wright says that the sleight of hand here

[00:27:49] that Chuck Todd is using is to is to pretend that there is a distinction between spin and lies.

[00:27:58] Right? So he and Jen Pissacchi and all the Democrats that went to work for all the networks they

[00:28:04] see they object to the lies because that's what Republicans do.

[00:28:10] And they know Republicans lie because while they disagree with Republicans, so obviously the GOP is

[00:28:17] lying. Now they're fine with spin. You see, because that's what Democrats do. See it's just spin

[00:28:23] when we do it. See? Spin versus lies. It's not ideology. I don't know why you guys think this

[00:28:31] is about partisanship or something that says nothing to do with ideology or partisanship.

[00:28:37] There are Republicans, so they lie. We're Democrats, so we spin and spin is not lying. That's why

[00:28:43] we can take these jobs. And you can. Right? Very clear. All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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