Duke experiment lets man chestfeed grandbaby (04-09-2024--Hour3)

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[00:00:28] we started this topic halfway through the last hour I shall reset it as we say in the biz

[00:00:34] gonna reset the topic Duke researchers did an experimental hormone treatment in order

[00:00:43] to allow a transgender 50 year old to quote breastfeed their grandchild so this was a man

[00:00:56] believing himself to be a woman went through the hormone therapies at Duke medical I guess

[00:01:03] um got castrated then wanted to bond in a way with his grandchild that he was unable to bond

[00:01:14] with his own children because apparently he was unable to breastfeed them being a man and all

[00:01:21] he is 50 years old so being already part of the Duke system I guess he was like hey

[00:01:28] I got an idea how's about you let me be a be a patient for this sort of experimental hormone

[00:01:37] treatment that's basically going to allow me to breastfeed my daughter's baby my grandchild

[00:01:46] at like four months old and when you lack any kind of medical ethics you go absolutely let's

[00:01:54] do this thing and they did so they did three weeks after the introduction of the jacked up

[00:02:02] levels of hormones the patient was able to pump a maximum of 1.3 ounces of fluid

[00:02:14] 1.3 ounces that's a little bit more than a shot

[00:02:22] okay they were unable and sorry was able to quote unquote nurse his four-month-old grandchild on

[00:02:30] multiple occasions over a period of two weeks Stephen Horn writing at this week in the triangle

[00:02:39] com all for this report published by Duke that was in the uh was it the journal called

[00:02:47] breastfeeding medicine which I guess actually is the case that they are literally breastfeeding

[00:02:52] medicine to the child I guess that does make sense even if non-toxic and nutritionally equivalent

[00:02:59] to a mother's milk it is significantly less than what a four-month-old infant would ordinarily

[00:03:04] consume right so the the baby is not getting the full nutritional value necessary right

[00:03:13] which I think I recall hearing this at some point somewhere along the line that if the child doesn't

[00:03:18] if the baby doesn't get enough it creates later problems in development for the baby

[00:03:26] right now I'm not saying like enough because like you could just after the after grandpa

[00:03:30] is tapped out then you just hand him back hand the baby back over to the biological mother

[00:03:36] and she'll breastfeed so the baby will be nourished adequately I assume but there's a bit of there's

[00:03:43] a frustration that occurs as I understand it with the infant that when they're unable to get what

[00:03:49] they instinctively demand right before they get handed off all right let me go over here to

[00:03:56] Mitch welcome to the program Mitch uh yeah p dot just was looking at this

[00:04:03] um the aspect of of an adult male who's not a parent um interacting with with a child in a way that

[00:04:13] it's if under any other circumstances if this was just a regular grandpa letting a child nurse on

[00:04:20] him um it I feel I feel a level of indecent liberties being taken with that child uh and and if it was

[00:04:29] again in that situation where it was a non-transitioned grandfather and a mother walked in and he had the

[00:04:38] infant nursing on him um it just it just it's almost like a facilitation of

[00:04:46] of a selfish desire from the adult to get something that they need out of a child that

[00:04:53] in this case involves um um reproductive organ on them on the person so it's yeah it's just

[00:05:01] these kind of just reeks of pedophilia to me it doesn't sit well well so here's the how do we

[00:05:07] know how do we know whether or not the grandfather is doing this for a non-pureant reason right because

[00:05:16] that's usually the legal standard is you got to be engaging in some sort of purient lewd lascivious

[00:05:22] act right something like that in order for it in other words like they try to to create the

[00:05:27] language around the crime that uh that separates it just from like an innocent not innocent but

[00:05:33] like oh if i you know driving down the road and i moon somebody that's different than you know doing

[00:05:39] something for a you know purient uh reaction or response right um and so how do we know whether

[00:05:45] what the motives are with this with this uh grandfather we well we don't except for what

[00:05:51] he tells us and we then just have to accept whatever he says to be true and this is the

[00:05:59] problem with the quote affirmation model is that there there is no way to deny or rebut whatever

[00:06:06] is being advanced yeah it's it's um it's it's it's an acceptance of of a feeling of of one individual

[00:06:16] over another when in this case is a is a child that can't express that uh and and if there was

[00:06:22] if there was an actual benefit uh and there was a volume of of nutritious breast milk that was

[00:06:28] produced then there could be a an argument for um some benefit there uh a parental benefit or

[00:06:36] nutrition but outside of that it becomes a holy um a sentiment issue with the with the transition

[00:06:44] mail right so the only benefit yeah the only benefit they could identify here is that

[00:06:50] it allowed the grandfather to feel like he was bonding with the grandchild um and also made

[00:06:57] the grandfather feel affirmed and so all the benefits they're accrued to the adult and none to the child

[00:07:07] yeah and that that's that's what gives me the feeling of there's a it's almost a uh

[00:07:13] a soft transition to uh rationalization of exploiting a a child or a minor under the

[00:07:21] premise of of some some uh a greater a greater good of of progression

[00:07:30] yeah mich i appreciate the call it's great points thank you um back to the piece here it says although

[00:07:36] john doe the grandfather reverted to his original hormone protocol after only five weeks he quote

[00:07:42] tearfully reported this was a significant and emotional experience for her him that felt

[00:07:49] very different from formula feeding her other children so this is the the text from the report

[00:07:57] that's why it's using the words her and she and that sort of thing um and that uh john doe was

[00:08:04] grateful for the special bond the experience created in addition to accomplishing the goal

[00:08:10] of bonding doe also reported the quote unforeseen benefits of female gender affirmation

[00:08:17] and full breast maturation in regards to these quote benefits both targeted and unanticipated

[00:08:25] the authors concluded that it was quote in line with existing literature identifying

[00:08:30] unique considerations for lactation in this patient population including stigma reduction

[00:08:37] social support and gender dysphoria slash affirmation counseling

[00:08:45] so again all the benefits are on one side of the ledger right

[00:08:52] that that adult is putting their own needs for whatever reason best case scenario affirmation

[00:09:02] worst case scenario fetish kink whatever right pedophilia right worst case scenarios whatever those

[00:09:11] reasons are we are deferring to we are giving the benefits to the adult in that scenario not the

[00:09:19] infant which really is a microcosm of the entire issue in my opinion melissa welcome

[00:09:28] to the program hello melissa hey pd how are you doing i'm all right how are you

[00:09:34] i'm well i'm very disturbed by this just as a mom like i could not even like imagine handing off my

[00:09:45] baby to my father i mean that just seems very um definitely like borderline pedophilia like your

[00:09:57] first caller said that is but my concern is because hormones have been known to seep into

[00:10:04] our water systems what is that baby receiving that's a very good question i don't know and that's

[00:10:14] yeah well that's not that's why big concern what are you because there's only certain medications

[00:10:19] that a breastfeeding mom can take while while nursing because it can be transferred to the baby right

[00:10:29] yeah i mean this is why you're not allowed to drink alcohol uh you know while nursing and

[00:10:34] yeah all sorts of different things you're not supposed to be eating or drinking or consuming

[00:10:38] for that very reason yeah yeah so the whole thing it we've just gone and done lost their mind

[00:10:45] yeah yeah no that's it that that is what it sounds like to me um i sorry yeah that's my big

[00:10:51] concern so all right melissa i appreciate the call absolutely see it this is from um

[00:10:59] heather wellford this is uh or she's with a collect uh yeah a collective of midwives

[00:11:05] and breastfeeding experts the collective is called with woman with woman there you go um

[00:11:15] she says most people would find the idea absolutely shocking babies come into the world ready to

[00:11:21] continue their relationship with their mother and breastfeeding helps with this disrupting this

[00:11:26] with attempts at breastfeeding by anyone else is frankly disturbing then there's mya forstader

[00:11:35] forstatter forstader anyway she's executive director of uh the campaign group sex matter

[00:11:42] and she says quote babies cannot consent to being participants in a study which sets aside biological

[00:11:49] reality to define treatment protocols relating to so-called gender medicine men should not be

[00:11:54] permitted still less supported to get between babies and their mothers or to use babies as

[00:12:00] props to validate their beliefs that they are women um gary says there is no explanation

[00:12:11] for some of these men to women trans then it is a fetish uh he says i have heard it as turning

[00:12:21] being a woman into a fetish nobody thinks it's a good idea for grandmothers to nurse their

[00:12:25] grandkids the only thing i can think of is this is the use of wet nurses yeah right like to me

[00:12:33] right you're 50 years old you are beyond the age generally right of being able to

[00:12:38] to do this i think physiologically but also more importantly uh grandma doesn't

[00:12:47] doesn't nurse the grandbaby that right that's not that's not how that's supposed to work

[00:12:54] so if grandma doesn't get to do it then grandma doesn't get to do it either right

[00:13:00] right good for grandma good for grandpa it's like no neither way again jeff goldbloom

[00:13:08] in the documentary uh uh Jurassic Park right where he said you spent all this time

[00:13:15] trying to see if you could do it you never stopped and thought should you do it

[00:13:19] and the answer here is no you should not do this okay if you're listening to this podcast

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[00:14:14] be ready when the lights go out michael says in a message on the twitter machine putting

[00:14:21] aside the medical immorality what mother would allow her father who thinks he's now a woman

[00:14:27] her baby to nurse on him this is so sick in so many ways so yeah like all right so

[00:14:34] the 50 year old patient in this duke study

[00:14:39] that then was allowed to chest feed his grandbaby

[00:14:47] wanted to do so because according to the study the research that was published in this journal

[00:14:53] um it was because he wanted to bond in a way that he did not bond was not able to bond with his own

[00:15:01] kids i don't know what that means like were they distant did they not have a close relationship

[00:15:08] or maybe he just wanted what his wife their mother had and dad gummit i should be able to

[00:15:15] to have the babies suckle at my chest as my as they did my wife their mother

[00:15:24] and that's enough of a reason i want it so therefore i should get it that's the reason

[00:15:29] that's it see this like at the heart of so many of these issues regarding gender dysphoria

[00:15:38] and uh transgenderism and transgression the transgressive nature of transgenderism

[00:15:44] is this demand it's a it's a narcissistic demand that others play along with what you need right

[00:15:52] we are just the supply for what you need um here's another message uh this trans grandpa ma

[00:16:04] bonding through engineered breast milk is so wrong i have never heard of a biological grandmother

[00:16:09] bonding with their grandchild through breastfeeding this is abuse he and the parents should be charged

[00:16:16] well and duke right the researchers that that allowed this to happen right that gave it this

[00:16:22] this patina this veneer uh facade of science right it's only in the name of science and

[00:16:31] and of course gender affirmation so we're going to make you feel good about yourself

[00:16:36] and that's what's really important the needs of the adult here supersede the needs of the baby

[00:16:48] there was a piece by alan sokel professor of mathematics at the university college London

[00:16:55] and professor emeritus of physics at new york university he is the co-author of a book called

[00:17:02] fashionable nonsense postmodern intellectuals abuse of science um he wrote this with richard

[00:17:10] dawkins professor emeritus for the public understanding of science at the university

[00:17:14] of oxford he's the author of 17 books including the selfish gene and the ancestors tale okay

[00:17:21] so here's what here's a piece that they wrote op-ed the american medical association says the word

[00:17:30] sex as in male or female is problematic and outdated we should all now use the more precise

[00:17:36] phrase sex assigned at birth the american psychological association concurs terms like

[00:17:44] birth sex and natal sex are disparaging and misleadingly imply that sex is an immutable

[00:17:52] characteristic the american academy of pediatrics is also on board sex it says is an assignment

[00:17:59] that is made at birth and now the cdc urges us to say assigned male or female at birth

[00:18:08] or say designated male or female at birth instead of biologically male or female or genetically male

[00:18:16] or female he says this is they say this is problematic and unscientific by the way just as a quick aside

[00:18:27] um there's a term called preference cascade preference cascade and if you've ever seen

[00:18:35] um the video of the guy dancing at a concert out on like the lawn at blockbuster well no it's not

[00:18:42] blocked what is it called the rise and amphitheater now right so there i don't know if it's at that

[00:18:47] theater but it's the same kind of setup right at the stage it's outside they're up on sort of a

[00:18:51] sloped lawn this guy's out there dancing all crazy and everybody's kind of mocking him

[00:18:56] laughing and pointing but then what happens is somebody runs over and starts dancing with

[00:19:01] him and mimicking him and at first it too is mockery but that's the first follower and it's a

[00:19:08] perfect example of like the way preference cascades and social contagions and sort of herd mentality

[00:19:15] take over the first answer is the innovator right then the second dance the first follower

[00:19:21] that's an early adopter and then the all important second follower right that's the

[00:19:26] second one that comes along that now gives the impression of acceptability because the first

[00:19:32] follower could just be a just one nut job mocking the other guy and whatever but now you have another

[00:19:37] one coming in and after that second follower arrives then you have the waves come this this

[00:19:45] example plays out in all sorts of things in industry it's called like an s-curve where it has like

[00:19:50] it's like a flattened s where you have the creation of a technology or industry

[00:19:55] early adopters very little implementation whatever then it takes off right there's your

[00:20:01] your sort of vertical up tick right goes up and up and up then it kind of plateaus that's your s

[00:20:07] the top of the s right so the preference cascade though is turning

[00:20:15] I want to believe this and the evidence to me indicates that it is that this preference

[00:20:19] cascade is shifting you're getting more and more people that are now pushing back on this

[00:20:23] like these guys socle and Dawkins who say nearly all animals as well as many plants

[00:20:30] reproduce sexually in all sexually producing a reproducing species this occurs by combining

[00:20:36] a large gamete called an ovum or egg with a small gamete called a sperm though some

[00:20:44] hermaphrodite plants and animals produce both ova and sperm there are no mammalian species that do

[00:20:53] in mammals each individual produces only one kind of gamete those individuals that produce

[00:21:00] ova are called female and those that produce large numbers of sperm are called male whether a mammal

[00:21:07] embryo develops into a male or female is determined by a pair of sex chromosomes

[00:21:13] double x for females x y for males so in short sex in all animals is defined by gamete size sex

[00:21:25] in all mammals is determined by sex chromosomes and there are two and only two sexes male and female

[00:21:34] all of this of course is hardly news it has been known for over a century and it is basic stuff

[00:21:41] from any half decent high school course in biology for sure quirks of mutation or prenatal

[00:21:49] development may leave some individuals unable to produce viable gametes at all but an infertile

[00:21:56] individual with a y chromosome is still male just as a one-legged person remains a full

[00:22:02] member of our bipedal species right i want to believe the tide is turning jk rowling another

[00:22:13] example last week of this stuff right more and more people are refusing to go along with this lie

[00:22:22] i just hope that uh it happens quicker so uh or more quickly should i say uh so as to prevent

[00:22:29] more victims from falling prey let us go to the phones again here is mark hello mark welcome to the show

[00:22:37] hey hello how are you hey i'm good what's going on i just uh picked up on the conversation

[00:22:43] within the last little while but i just wanted to point out that i think dr frankenstein wanted

[00:22:48] to do what no other doctor had done when he created a monster he regenerated human life and

[00:22:55] i just kind of wonder with all these surgeries and everything that's going on now how much of it

[00:23:00] is necessary versus how much is ego uh probably uh mostly the latter yeah yeah but yeah you know

[00:23:12] it's uh hey there's a precedent for this baby fiction but there is a precedent right well and

[00:23:17] there's also you know real world horrors um i mean i don't want to start saying the nazis but

[00:23:24] the nazis you know like they did some of these experiments as well there's a reason why i mean

[00:23:29] look there was a there's a uh can there's a similarity i'll say between a fad a medical fad

[00:23:37] that uh ran rampant in america uh not too long ago right um one of the one of the listeners uh

[00:23:45] i think it's uh ron uh sent it over to me the the lobotomies lobotomies that used to be given to

[00:23:53] people as a quote cure for things and uh one of the kennedys didn't one of the one of the

[00:24:00] kennedys had a lobotomy uh for you know quote mental issues and that was an acceptable form

[00:24:06] of medical treatment right so that doesn't it doesn't mean that what we are seeing uh

[00:24:12] practitioners do now is ethical or right yeah i appreciate the call mark it's uh

[00:24:20] it's so frustrating and so yes uh got a message here from timateo who says sex is not assigned

[00:24:29] at birth it is observed and he's exactly right and that's what alan sokel and richard dawkins

[00:24:36] these two professors um you know sokel a professor of mathematics and physics dawkins

[00:24:46] professor emeritus for the public understanding of science university of oxford

[00:24:50] right so these are scientists and they're like no a baby's name is assigned at birth nobody

[00:24:57] doubts that a baby's sex is not assigned it is determined at conception and is then observed

[00:25:04] at birth first by examination of the external genital organs and then in cases of doubt

[00:25:10] by chromosomal analysis a person sex is an objective biological reality just like your

[00:25:19] blood group or your fingerprint pattern okay no one says your fingerprints are assigned at birth

[00:25:28] the medical associations pronouncements are social constructionism gone amuck sex is a

[00:25:35] fundamental feature of the human species it is a key variable in psychology sociology as well as

[00:25:42] public policy because it matters by the way right this stuff matters the medical establishments

[00:25:51] newfound reluctance to speak honestly about biological reality most likely stems from a

[00:25:56] laudable desire to defend the human rights of transgender people but while the goal is praiseworthy

[00:26:02] the chosen method is misguided because protecting transgender people from discrimination and

[00:26:07] harassment does not require pretending that sex is merely assigned right and again this matters

[00:26:15] because for example um who makes up the majority of people in prison

[00:26:20] does that matter why right it does matter those are biological males right and if you're trying

[00:26:30] to figure out what kind of antisocial behavior a particular demographic group is engaged in

[00:26:36] that lands them incarcerated um yeah the biology matters on that because when women behave in a

[00:26:44] antisocial way it's like gossiping and you know career uh ruination that kind of stuff

[00:26:51] it's a different kind of attack it's never justified to distort the facts in the service of a social

[00:26:57] or political cause no matter how just if the cause is really just truly just then it can be

[00:27:03] defended in full acceptance of the facts about the real world you don't have to make stuff up

[00:27:11] if your cause is truly just all right that'll do it for this episode thank you so much for listening

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