Dr. Jessica Duncun on Nutrition and MAHA (12-23-2025--Hour2)

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Jessica Duncan is a certified obesity medicine doctor at IVAM Health and makes the argument for more nutrition education in medical schools. Apparently people that go to medical school are not getting that much education on nutrition. Doctor Jessica, good to have you. Can you walk us through this and talk about some of the changes that are being made in this area by the Maha movement. Absolutely, thank you so much for having me. Yeah, I think you know. The Maha movement is really all about looking at some common sense ways to get back to treating chronic disease, really starting at the childhood level. So as we know, there's so many reasons why obesity is such a problem in this country, but really some of the initiatives mostly focused on food quality and what we're feeding our children, and the way in which we teach children to eat and the lifestyle that we teach our children to follow is soch an important part to lifelong health and preventing obese down the line. Is it more the quality of food or just you know, the amount of food or the types of food that we're eating or the quality of the food. I think it's actually both. But if you look at something like ultraprocessed food, which is a big focus of the Maha initiative, studies actually show that with the ultraprocessed food, it actually drives you to want to eat more because it sort of sets off these or work pathways in the brain, these jogamine pathways that actually give you more craving. So it's almost a vicious cycle on the kind of go hand in hand. We really have to kind of handle both the quality and the quantity. Uh huh. So the MAHA movement, I mean, for people that aren't paying that much attention, you just hear all the negative stuff about it, right, and it's I mean, it's a lot more than people that may be against vaccines or not against vaccines. So as a doctor, you think a lot of what they're doing is moving in the positive direction. Absolutely. I think there's a very common misconception that the Maha movement is anti medicine or it doesn't work with traditional medicine. I actually, right, that's that's that's what I'm saying. They think, right, they think it's like they think it's it's anti medicine. And obviously r RFK Junior is not a doctor, but he does seem to know a heck of a lot, right. Yeah. So I really think when you think about the chronic diseases that we're facing in our country, there's so many that are linked to specifically what we're eating so why would we not want to kind of focus on things outside of just medication, So really looking at those causes and really kind of getting into figuring out why is this such a problem historically and what can we do to change things? So, you know, if you think about it, there's certain cancers are linked to diets, low and fruit and vegetables. So really, now is the time to kind of work hand at hand. It can't be all about the medication. And when we talk about me making changes, it can't just be about writing a script. Right. We have to give you our patients the opportunity to change their lifestyles, to make these changes stronger and more long lasting. To me, it just makes sense as a doctor. I'm glad you mentioned medications because now with all the easy weight loss options and I'm just going to pick one randomly that you know, because I hear it all the time, like wagov is is this a good thing or a bad thing in your opinion? I mean, obviously it's good that people can lose weight, but down the line there has to be some side effects to these medications. Now we have so many people just injecting themselves and bypassing diets because they can lose a quick ten to fifteen pounds. Right. So I'm an OBC medicine position, so I'm always going to tell you that it's a good thing to treat obesity. But I think you really have to kind of readjust your framework to consider these medications as one tool and a toolkit. It cannot be the only tool. So the idea is for some patients, medication treatment may need to be long term, you know, for whatever reason they have kind of genetic predispositions or other reasons why they may need long term medication management. But when you think about it as one tool and the toolkit, you have to think about all the other tools that you have, and that's nutrition, lifestyle changes, exercise, sleep, managing stress. All those things have to come together. And if you can slowly decrease, you know, if you need to have somebody on medication, maybe slowly decrease the dose while ramping up lifestyle modifications. I think there's a really good pathway for getting patients off medications and more reliant on lifestyle modifications. But I think you have to look at the whole picture. It cannot be the only tool. Cannot be just using medications. For sure, okay, so that is good advice. You know, as I mentioned at the open, we're coming up on the end of the year. People are making their New year resolutions, which is often to get in shape or eat better or both. And what's this is something that every TV show, every radio show discusses every year. You know, What's what's a real key to having success in that arena? Yeah? Absolutely, And I think you know, it's really never too soon to get started. I think, you know, focusing on looking at your lifestyle and seeing opportunities to make those changes, even small changes, every day. So I know, I'm always talking about ultraprocessed foods. So if you can just start with one substitution for an ultraprocessed food, so something that's made in a factory, goldfish, maybe, you know, whatever that may be, chips, and talk about just making one substitution a day for something that is not made, you know, something that's the whole food that is not ultra process usually things that are grown from the earth, you know, carrots, whatever the case may be, whatever you enjoy carrots and helms. Making just one substitution a day and then building on that positive change is really the key. It doesn't have to be January First Hits and my entire life changes. Just making one small change, and maybe you're not ready to make a change in how you're eating. Talk about your sleep, think about how to change your sleep routine, get whatever you need, eight hours of sleep. That's gonna help with hormone levels, hunger hormones. It's really going to have a huge impact. So one small change and build on that is always my party line. Yeah, I did. My own personal doctor told me one time, the more the more time you spend sleeping, the less you're eating. And it kind of clicked, you know, I mean that made sense. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. You know, the more you're sleeping obviously the less you're eating. But yeah, just simple things that I did. See Bobby Kennedy Junior in an interview one time when they asked him about his own personal diet, he said, basically, if it doesn't grow or come from the earth, you know, he doesn't eat it. And for most people that's pretty extreme. But yeah, maybe you know, instead of a bag, instead of a bag of doritos or potato chips, have a banana or an apple, and that could be a start exactly exactly. I love that advice. I talk to my patients about that all the time. One thing, ideally everything would be grown from the earth, but it's really hard to do. Just one small change can really have a big impact. Okay, and apparently you have a very popular substack House and Habit, which I'm assuming is all about nutrition. Yeah. So I was a guest contributor to the House and Habit substack, and really there was focusing on talking about, you know, the importance of educating physicians on nutrition. As you can see, I'm totally passionate about it, but had to do a lot of learning on my own. Was not taught in medical school. So really I focused there on the reasons why I think it's such a great idea, and which is also part of the Maha initiative, which I love. Is there a short answer to why they don't teach medical students more about nutrition. I really think that medical school curriculum is so packed full, and when you do get nutrition education, a lot of that focus is on vitamin deficiencies. I would love to see even the small amount of time that physicians do or physicians and training do get I would love to see the focus more on how food is medicine and how changing food for certain into these processes can make a big difference, rather than focusing on vitamin deficiencies, which are so exceedingly rare. It's much more common to se chronic diseases like obesity and diabetes in practice, and learning how to talk to patients about that and come up with customized plans is really the key. So I'd just love to see more time dedicated to nutrition, less time dedicated to kind of the more rare things that we don't see more commonly. All right, Doctor Jessica Duncan, Certified Obesity Medicine doctor at IVAM Health. Doctor Jessica, thank you very much, appreciate all that great information and hopefully going into the new year, it'll help people. You know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life, and our stories are told through images and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video started in nineteen ninety seven and Mint Hill, North Carolina. It was the first company to provide this valuable service. Inverting images, photos, and videos into high quality produced slide shows, videos and albums. 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If you like seven oh four five, seven oh one, O seven nine. That's also the same number for texting. I know we're at the point where a lot of people like or prefer they prefer you may prefer texting over actually colleagues seven oh four five to seven oh one oh seven nine. If you're a regular listener of the Morning Show, you might have heard the annual segment about favorite Christmas songs. If you didn't participate in that, you can participate now. Let us know your favorite Christmas songs. There's people that loved the classics like that. There's people that you know, like the funny Christmas songs like Dominic, the Italian Donkey, or some of the newer, more rock and roll ish kind of stuff. Most people are surprised when I tell them that. I mean, it's really hard to pick one, right, But most people are surprised when I tell them that. Basically, my favorite Christmas song, one of my favorite Christmas song songs side of the real classics is Christmas in Dixie by Alabama. Absolutely love that song. So if you were with us a little bit earlier, we spoke with newsma's senior Washington correspondent James Rosen, who mentioned he is I kind of forced him into mentioning it, but he's coming up on twenty nine years. I think it is twenty eight or twenty nine years of covering Washington, d C. He's seen multiple presidencies. Before he got to the White House, he was on Capitol Hill, so he's covered many of House speakers, he's covered many of Congresses, and he's been covering the White House for years, So multiple presidents and all that. And I mentioned he also has a fantastic book on former Supreme Court Justice the late Antonin Scalia, Right, And that got me thinking about something I heard a few days ago, which is it's funny. Okay, I'm about to play it's funny, but at the same time, it's also kind of sad. Nick is uh gonna cue this up? And I guess I'll give you a little hint that it started out asking people to name Supreme Court justices. A Supreme Court justice? Can you name a Supreme Court justice? Because they couldn't name a Supreme Court justice, not any other nine Like what about the Kardashians And what do you think happened? Hit that cut? Nick, Kendall, Kylie, Kim, Chloe and Courtney, Chris and Caitlin too Supreme Court justice? Now let's stop, don't know any Oh, we got Chloe, we got Kim we got robbed Jim, Chloe, Courtney, Chris, Kylie, Yeah, Courtney. Chloe, Kim, Kendall, Kylie You rob Chris. O j O O J lawyer, lawyer, Kardashian, Chloe, Kendall, Kylie. Kim, Kim, Chloe, Courtney, Courtney. Ro Kim, Chloe, Courtney, Chris all. Them, Kaitlyn Kendall, Kate, Caitlyn. Yeah. Is Chloe as Courtney's son Mason. I do like the Kardashian, so put that on the record. Supreme Court Justice in the United States remembers, Oh my. Gosh, I know I should know this because I entered in DC. If you know something about give me some about basketball. This is where I tap out. She's a lawyer. So we got Clarence Thomas, we got the Kennedy's not a more. We got so to my arm. We got Katanji Jackson Brown, Katanji Brown, Clarence Thomas. The guy that starts with a C. I can't believe you don't know this. I looking at his face. He got accused him, he got accused of rape. Very stereotypical white Kavanaugh break Kavanaugh. Yeah, yeah, she got me picked. I don't know he can skip that I just failed it. Three branches of government. Oh, we got your judicial legislative, an executive. Branch, yeah, judicial executive, legislature, legislative. I'm on juditial executive legislatives. Who is this. That looks like, oh, that's all I want to say this? That is it who just passed? That's not the governor of uh Pennsylvania got me? Yeah, yeah, Pete Bota, the governor of Pennsylvania. And I could even let that one slide, all right, I mean it's just Pete Budhajetch, Okay, not a you know, if you're not really tuned in, you may not know who he is other than looking at his face. You're like, yeah, that's that politician. Okay. But there was one guy that rattled off several Supreme Court justices. Other than that, even the woman who her friend said was a lawyer couldn't name a Supreme Court justice. Had the one guy named Clarence Thomas, who's been a Supreme Court justice longer than anybody else. And they only knew Brett Cavanaugh because of the date rape thing. Oh yeah, the guy, the guy that was charged with date rape. That's that's how they identified Brett Kavanaugh. Only because he was in the news and had a controversy. They knew of his name, and they said the guy with the CEA as you know, Kavanaugh spelled with a K. All right, real quick before we go to the break, Mark, is uh holding on Mark? Good afternoon? Hey, I speaker phone, So I don't know. A few weeks back after Thanksgiving, my wife turns it on. I won't mention the name as station, but it plays nothing but Christmas music, okay, Thanksgiving till Christmas. And I got to thinking about it. I said, you know, I just pulled out my double live Leonard Skinnered and wants to call it. I'm looking at it one more for the road. It's got Freebird, the live song. Yeah, I probably haven't listened to that album in ten years. And I got to thinking, at my age, if I if I had that rate, it'll be two more times I get to hear that. Yet I hear Perry Cueomo sing Chestnuts or whoever sings it like ten times in a week. And I said, something intrinsically wrong. Does Leonard Skinner have a Christmas song? Is that what you're saying now? I'm just saying the music that I would love to hear. Uh huh. You know I don't get to you know, creak up the old record player that much. I got you, I got you. Let me let let me, let me ask you because I have to go to a breaks. So what, so what is your favorite Christmas song? When she starts playing them, I don't think I like any of them, really, just nuts. I used to imitate that. Yeah, I know what you mean, and we're not going to say that on the radio, but so so you don't I mean old school like the class you don't you don't. Like the class music kids is called Leroy Anderson's Christmas Medal or something. Okay, all right. If you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too. And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app and it's a website and it combines news from around the world in one place so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground dot news slash Pete I put the link in the podcast description too. So I started using ground News a few months ago and more recently chose to work with them as an affiliate because it lets me see clearly how stories get covered and by whom. 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It's been out now for it's like around twenty years, but it's really good. A lot of people don't know about it. Yeah, I'm I'm not a Leonard skinnerd expert by any means, but I am a big fan of Leonard Skinner. In fact, the very first time that I saw Leonard SKINNERD in concert was actually at the Charlotte Motor Speedway a few years ago, and then I've seen them numerous times since then, just because they're so good. So if it's about twenty years old, that's going to be Johnny van zand singing right, this is oh yeah yeah. And then I just want to add I'll say thirty eight Special has a good Christmas CD as well as re Re Speedwagon. Oh really yeah, I mean almost almost every band, and I mean Leonard Skinner is not you know, what you would call mainstream music, but almost every band that has that had mainstream top forty ish kind of music, you know, at some point put out a Christmas album. I was not aware of Leonard Skinner having a Christmas album. I am going to have to check that out. Rio Speedwagon, I you know, Kevin Cronin is just I think probably one of the best, the best vocalists ever. Whether you like that band or not, I'm just a fan. One thing I like about Yeah, he's really good. But one thing I like about the CDs, And there's there's several more, like you said, by other bands. But all of these bands they put they put some originals in there and put a little different twist on it, so you get a little different version, you know, something a little bit different, you know, for holiday music. Yeah, And it's I mean, it's literally the easiest way for any singer to make money, right. Uh, it doesn't matter how many albums you have or or if you're a one hit wonder, you put out a Christmas song or a Christmas album. I mean, it's the easiest way to possibly make money. But if it is a if it is an artist that you like or a band that you like, you know you're going to you're going to enjoy it. And like you said, they take some of the classics and they put their own spin on it. It's always it's always fun. So what's your what if you had if you had to pick your favorite Christmas song, would it be one of those or would it be one of the classics. Well, I mean I like a lot of the classics, you know, but I mean we've just we've heard those all, you know so much, you know. Yeah, our whole life, right right. I mean all right, but but yeah, I mean, like I said, a lot of the a lot of these versions are are different ones. I will I will add this real quick one interesting And you might think this band would have it, but the old eighties band Twisted Sister actually has a really good Christmas c D H. Yeah that. They do. Oh come, oh you faithful and the music sounds just like we're not going to take you. Oh really? Yeah? That yeah, D Snyder D Snyder really different. I I I bet it is. And that and that that goes to your point as well. There are you know, there are so many bands that have put out Christmas albums with their own version of the classics or their own or in some cases original Christmas music. And unless you're a real big fan of that band, you know, you just don't know about it. All right, Ron, thanks for the phone call, really appreciate it. Yeah you have on you too. Merry Christmas to you and your family, and enjoy the music. Ron makes a valid Ron makes a valid point that you know, we've been hearing the same classics for decades, but fortunately we only hear them for you know, like a month out of the year, so they don't ever seem to get worn out. I'm not sure of the name, but I know somebody Jerry Jerry. Good afternoon, Sarah. Thanks for calling. Hey, Tony, I just wanted to say that I think it's gonna be great for all those kids that got those bikes from the John Hancock Bike Drive that on Christmas morning they can go out ride their bikes all day long. Oh, without a doubt. You know, when I worked at WBT a few years ago, the very first handcock Bikes for Kids event that I participated in was one of the best, one of the best holiday events or children's Christmas events that I had participated in among you know, many radio stations that I had worked at over the years. It is. It's a fantastic event, and out of all the things, right, there's nothing, there's nothing better than getting a bike for a kid. That's right, That's exactly right. I'm sixty five. I remember getting a bike as a kid and it was just I grew up up north and it was snowing all the time. But the kids down here, I've been here forty years. I'm very happy they get to go out and ride their new bikes on Christmas Day. Well, thank you for the call, Jerry. Thanks for reminding everyone of the Hancock Bike for Kids event. It is a phenomenal event. I don't know how many bikes were collected this year, but I know it's, you know, in the triple digits, and that does so so much for so many kids in the community. And of all the toys you can get, especially now, you know with video games, if you ask ten kids what they want for Christmas, like eight or nine of them is going to be some kind of video game or computer game or something. But nothing like getting a bike and getting out there to ride. And it's sort of even, you know, he mentioned Jerry mentioned he was from up north. If you get a bike for Christmas and it's freezing cold, you can't ride it for a month or two, that kind of builds the excitement for it as well. You can't wait to get out there and ride your Christmas bike. All right, Holiday football has arrived right with Draft Kings sports book and official sports betting partner of the NFL. The unexpected can turn game day into payday, and don't forget Draft Kings as your back with early exit pretty neat function here. 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For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see DKNG dot co slash Audio limited time. Offer and I we're gonna go right back to the phones. Seven oh four five seven one, seven nine. Susan has been holding on since the break. Susan, good afternoon, Hello, Merry Christmas to you. Thanks for calling. Oh do we have a bad connection. I don't think so, It's just that I'm not actually in the studio. You may have a slight delay on your end of the flow. You're very faint, Okay. All I was gonna say is, like a lot of Christians, I appreciate all of the old charrels that we've all grown up with, but the ones that I don't hear anymore is a modern one that was called War Is Over by John Lennon. I haven't heard it in years, and it's a really great song for the world. I think I am. I am somewhat familiar with that song, and I I can't place the last time I've heard it, but I'm gonna say it's not that maybe last Christmas season or the season really Oh that's great. Yeah, yeah, I think it's also called War is Over to some people. I guess it's right, right, right, But it's a great song, so would you say that's your favorite Christmas song, or you're just disappointed you don't. Get to hear the favorite modern Yeah. Right, okay, and that's what we were talking about. See you said that's your favorite modern Christmas song. That's what I was saying. Or yeah, that's what I was saying earlier. It's too hard to pick just one. You have to say, what's your favorite from the classics, and what's your favorite you know, like you can roll Christmas song or what genre. You know, you have to go by genres. Just the old you know, white Christmas and carols of bells and all of those. Right, those are all just their standards. I mean, they really are. But I don't know if you were listening a little bit earlier. Did you hear the story earlier in the program about the mayor of mullin South Carolina, If you're familiar with that small town, South Carolina, the mayor. The mayor told the people in charge of the city's Christmas decorations to take down the Nativity scene. Oh no, yeah, because he thought that other residents in the community of other religions might be offended. He's got to be kidding me. That's what I scale Christian civilization. I mean, at least in the Western hemisphere as far as final unless they change something while I was asleep. Well, not not only that, but you know here in America, you are you are welcome to celebrate whatever, whatever you celebrate. You know, you're exactly You're welcome to follow whatever religion you follow, and celebrate whatever you celebrate. And this is the mayor. This is the mayor of the town. They have a committee that's in charge, like they call it the beautification committee. Oh, he should be glad I don't live there. He vote. Well, well, he's been getting pretty well jammed up in the media and you know from from residents of the county, from the city's wonderful. But remember that. Yeah, yeah, they refused, they refused to take the woman that's in charge of it all. She refused to down the Nativity. Yeah, at least he's not in Charlotte and putting up for the stuff we have to put erate. Right, even Vye Lyles wouldn't do that, right. Don't like don't like that rocket under me? No, I got about a million pounds of thrust where. She's Oh okay, all right, you and me, both you and me, both thank you for the thank you for the phone call. Susan great speaking with. Oh, welcome, have a blessed holiday and you. Okay, you two, thank you so much, all right seven four five seven one seven nine seven o four five seven oh one oh seven nine uh. In the news casts, Brandon Dixon has been playing the story about the announcement that President Trump made yesterday concerning the aircraft carriers. I'm going to play the the the entire announcement that he made. The president is we and the White House calendar, the official White House calendar had no scheduled events on the calendar, as it does again today Tuesday, December twenty third. President has no public events scheduled. There is out of town media at marra a Lago, which is always the case when he's there because you never know when he's just gonna pop up with a surprise news conference like yesterday. And this is what he had to say in. Full, and these are the best in the world. It will be the fastest, the biggest, and by far one hundred times more powerful than any battleship ever built. So if you look at the Iowa, the Missouri, Wisconsin, Alabama, and others, but they were similar in size. Some are a little bit bigger than the others, but if you take the biggest one, it's one hundred times more powerful. They are longer by. A little bit, and they're bigger. They're bigger ships, but they hold much more. They use the word lethality. Battleships are the largest, sturdiest, and most armed vessel built specifically for naval combat. While America has built many new warships over the years, they've they've tended to be smaller and much smaller and not conducive to where we are and where we're going and peace, restrength. But including we've been building aircraft carriers, we're going to be upping that also. We're going to be going to a superior aircraft. We have the Ford class. We're going to be upping that to a. Different class of aircraft carrier. And we haven't built the. Battleship since nineteen ninety four. These cutting edge vessels will be some of the most lethal surface warfare ships. It will be actually the most ever built. Other than our submarines. We have submarines, which we'll have in many ways even more lethality, and we have many of them under construction. Each one of these will be the largest battleship in the history of our country, the largest battleship. In the history of the world ever built. And again it's one hundred times more powerful than the previous Iowa class it's called. Those are the big ones that you'd see on a show Victory at Sea. I don't know if anyone seeing Victory at Sea, but it. Was a classic. They'll help maintain American military supremacy, revive the American shipbuilding industry, and inspire fear in America's enemies all over the world. We want respect, We're going to have it. We already have it more respected now. Than we ever were. A year and a half ago, they laughed at us. Now they respect us again at levels that they've never respected us. We envisioned that these two ships. We're talking about ten, but we're going to start with two, and we're going to quickly morph into ten, and ultimately we think it's going to be anywhere from twenty to twenty five of these. To twenty five aircraft carriers. He didn't indicate how many billions of dollars. At this point, it's got to cost a billion, couple of billion maybe to build an aircraft carrier. I don't know, but uh, with Secretary of War Pete Hegseth and Secretary of State Marco Rubio by his side. That was President Trump in a surprise news conference from Mara a Lago yesterday and again no scheduled events today, but I'm guessing that Rubio and Hegseth are still there at Mari A Lago with him, so you never know what's going to come out. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.